Question- WILD when first going to sleep?

[Springlock]

Ok So basically, my question is "what happens if I try to WILD when first going to sleep?" Because I just can't wake up in the middle of.. Oh wait 12:58 AM I hate being an insomniac... It's not that I'm scared to sleep I just can't get to sleep Then I am a rock and won't wake up Any way for me to WILD? It worked once Or any recommended strategies? I've tried a load So far only WILD worked ... once I'm desperate

[Lapis3]

I've always wanted to wild when going to sleep rather than having to wake up. Unfortunately for me it only works when i'm in the middle of a rem cycle so i go straight back into the dream. If you have trouble sleeping you could always try working on meditation. I kinda pair mediation with wild to get the best results so you could see what happens as it may relax you more.

[gab]

Unless you have some kind of a sleep disorder that puts you in REM as soon as you close your eyes, or are sleep deprived, WILDing without prior sleep is pretty much impossible. Here is a bit from a thread with great sleep cycles chart http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2190317 Some people may have the ability to go straight into REM without any prior sleep, but those are most likely sleep disorders. I would definitelly not recommend trying to WILD without prior sleep. We dream mostly in REM (dream cycle). In order to reach REM at the beginning of sleep, we need to go through falling asleep stage and deep sleep stage. And at this time these last about 80 minutes, before we hit 10 min long REM stage.

[Springlock]

Ok, well, so much for that.

[Eonnn]

When I first learnt about WILD I didn't know you had to do it in combination with WBTB. So I spent a good 2 hours waiting for my body to fall asleep but it worked! It was so freaking intense though like I had full conscious awareness in the dream. I knew I was awake literally seconds ago and had so much more access to my memory and logical side of my brain. The transition was so intense I remember getting the hypnagogic imagery and visualising a dream scene then jumping right into it. It felt strange and pleasant at the same time.

[ThreeCat]

It depends on what you mean by WILD. If you want to fall asleep consciously at the beginning of the night, this is completely possible (although there will more than likely be no dream at first). The dream will happen later on, if you remain conscious (around an hour or so later, provided that you are actually asleep). If you want to fall directly into a WILD at the beginning of the night, it probably is not going to happen (but it could). So far as techniques for waking up go, try drinking a glass of water before bed (don't overdo it). Also, if you are having trouble sleeping, minimize the use of electric light and devices 2-3 hours before bed. If you are in the dark, your body will begin to produce melatonin, which will help you fall asleep. Some good stretching, light yoga, or body relaxation is also good.

[Springlock]

Wow seriously Eonnn? Awesome! Urrr, I hope I don't fall asleep Oh, thanks threecat! And there's a bit of a problem, I don't do Yoda. Other than that it could work! Thank you. Help remembering my dreams? I can only remember snips of them.

[Dexter33]

Help remembering my dreams? I can only remember snips of them. Okay, obvious big one is dream journal. Keep it explicit and consistent. If you can record dreams right after you wake up in the middle of the night, you have a much better chance of catching them before you forget. If not, make sure it's the first thing in the morning. Then, also try setting your intentions and just overall being aware that you are trying to focus on and remembering your dreams. There is literally tons of info for this on DV, look around and good luck

[Springlock]

Okay, obvious big one is dream journal. That's the problem I can't remember anything to write in them xD I posted another thread kuz I realized it's against the rules to change topic like that Plz don't hate on me I'm new

[snoop]

Only way to pull it off except some rare cases is to nap. WILDing when first going to sleep during a nap has worked for me a few times (I've only specifically tried once, the 4 times it's happened, 3 of the times I just suddenly found myself in REM Atonia for some reason, and getting into a dream from REM Atonia is one of the few things I'm actually good at). Otherwise, you need to sleep a good 3 hours at least, at least 5 works best. However there's no real reason to split hairs. If you find you've woken up naturally in the middle of the night, might as well give it a shot. I usually wake up 2-5 times a night assuming I can't really sleep in, so I'm pretty lucky there. I can sympathize with the inability to sleep though. I've finally got it situated, but ever since being a teenager I couldn't get to sleep, and after getting out of the military, I would stay up for very large amounts of time and then sleep for fairly large amounts of time. Nobody I was friends with that got out has said they weren't unable to sleep so far, so it seems to be pretty common. The way I fixed it was to stick to a rather strict schedule regarding when I wake up and go to sleep, I try and eat about the same times every day, and I tried making a routine before going to bed. I thought I had tried this stuff before and that it really had no chance to work for me, but I hadn't really put in enough effort and I certainly didn't do it for long enough. That's the thing about this method--getting your body on a regular cycle takes some time. You might not get any solid results before two weeks time, but it's easily the best long term solution. It's worked better than pretty much every sleep medication I've ever taken OTC or been prescribed (they all stop working within a week, even with dosage increases, it only works for about another week).

[Springlock]

Ok, thanks snoop! That was helpful but how am I gonna do that? I suck at keeping a schedule.

[Sageous]

^^ Well, maybe you could try to keep a strict schedule as Snoop describes, in this case. If the trade-off for keeping a schedule is successful WILD's, maybe it would be worth the extra effort and discipline it would take to fight whatever makes you suck at it and keep it. ...just sayin'...

[Springlock]

Ok..

[snoop]

Ok, thanks snoop! That was helpful but how am I gonna do that? I suck at keeping a schedule. It takes truly being fed up with the current state of affairs and deciding you're just going to do it whether you think it works or not, because it's better than what's happening right now. Commit to the idea because you want to change, not because somebody told you it could work and might help out with you problems. Do it because you want to. The fact it makes it easier to LD is secondary to the benefit that comes from lying in bed knowing you'll be asleep within an hour when it used to take you 3 to 4 hours before, how much more regulated and normal you feel when awake, and the pride you actually solved a problem you've been dealing with for a long time and without taking any shortcuts to do it. The ability to successfully LD definitely rises too, and that's just icing on the cake. You successfully learned to sleep when you need to, feel better during the day, feel better about yourself and be more confident in your ability to affect real change in your life, and be able to more successfully do what you love (LDing) all in one fell swoop. I know where you're coming from though, I'm just the same way. Discipline in matters that I'm not absolutely required to exhibit it just doesn't happen, for the most part. I had just been dealing with my sleeping issues for so long (and have them get far worse for a while after leaving the military) and had so many medications fail me that I decided if everything was going to fail anyway, I might as well give the one thing I never really put much effort or discipline into for a while a shot, and after a month I started having truly rewarding results. It was about 3 months before getting to sleep in a timely manner was basically a certainty, and I'm glad I finally committed to doing it. Also, don't get discouraged by failures when it comes to WILD. WILD is probably the most rewarding technique to get the hang of, but it's easily the most difficult with the highest learning curve. There will be mountains of failures before making real headway. I got my first WILD within 3 tries, my second two weeks after that, and it was 4 months or so before getting another. For a good while they were very sparse like that, until I stopped flying blind and got a feel for what it is that helps with success.

[Rothgar]

I practice DILD, not WILD, but want to mention DEILD. It is probably the easiest form of WILD, I have experienced these on occasion. I heard the WILD folks mention "stepping into the dream" and wondered what that meant. Now that I have experienced it I must say that is a very interesting thing to do. Hard to describe but you know it once you've done it.

[Springlock]

I've tried dild, fild, and mild, just so you all know, and WILD gave me my first and only lucid

[Springlock]

And thank you again snoop

[Dexter33]

Also, even if you remember nothing. You should write that down as well. Just practice writing anything at first. And sit in bed for 20 minutes casually trying to think of stuff. If you actively try everyday, there's no way you wouldn't start remembering at least snippets of dreams.

[Springlock]

Ohhh ok thanks!