SP or not? Can't reach LD.

**reflections** · 03-23-2014 11:43 AM

I've tried this at least 10 times for about one to two hours each time. Tonight I laid down at 1 AM. I closed my eyes, started counting. After an unknown amount of time, my arms and legs began to feel heavy.After some time, the darkness behind my eyelids became a void. At around that same time, it began to feel like I was being pulled, shrunk, pulled, like my body was growing then getting smaller. Sometime later, it began to get harder to breathe, like there was a weight on my chest. At around that same time, I couldn't feel my arms or legs at all, but I knew that they were there. I lingered in this state for an unknown amount of time, unable to proceed. When I tried to focus on the darkness behind my eyelids, my eyes kept blinking and I was afraid that I would accidentally open them. After roughly two hours of attempting this, the pipes in my bathroom make a racket that startled the living crap out of me. I could feel each beat of my chest, more than I've ever felt it before. Since I had laid there for about two hours, I decided to call it quits and got up to check what time it was. It was 3:28 AM. My mouth was dry and my limbs were and still are tingly.

I've had no hallucinations. There was one time when I first started and had laid my hands on my chest that I thought they were bound there, but that was about it. The only time I really ended up hallucinating was when I tried this thing called the Ganzfeld effect and thought I was laying on a raft in the ocean. Anyway, nothing interesting's happened and it's really frustrating because a couple of years back, from the time I was, like, 7 to 12, I was able to enter lucid dreams at will. Now? Nothing at all.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

**MisakaMikoto** · 03-23-2014 12:41 PM

You were trying to WILD before or after sleep?

For me it's impossible to WILD before sleep
I'm always doing it with WBTB
Had only 3 successful WILD LD's thought and they all three were done with WBTB

**reflections** · 03-23-2014 12:55 PM

Before sleep. Can you describe to me the steps you take for a WBTB? I'm not that familiar with LD acronyms, so I don't know what WBTB means.

**MisakaMikoto** · 03-23-2014 02:30 PM

For me it's waking up from 3.5 to 6 hours after sleeping by timer
WBTB Tutorial - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

**cmind** · 03-23-2014 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by reflections

Before sleep.

Why are you noobs always so stupid in exactly the same way?

**AstralMango** · 03-23-2014 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by cmind

Why are you noobs always so stupid in exactly the same way?

Whoa, no need to be rude. You can't expect newbies to know everything right off the bat.

**reflections** · 03-23-2014 10:29 PM

Wow, uncalled for. The reason I assumed that is because I used to be able to go from being awake to lucid.

**SleepIsMyWake** · 03-24-2014 01:51 AM

Hello I am new to lucid dreaming and I would like to know how real lucid dreams are and what is the best way of achieving one (WBTB with SP?)Thank you.

**Sibyline** · 03-24-2014 11:16 AM

Reflections, I'm sorry you got slapped down like that. Some people are indeed able to WILD at sleep onset. If it's not working for you anymore, you can either try WBTB early in the morning, or an afternoon nap. Those are great for WILDing.

Originally Posted by SleepIsMyWake

Hello I am new to lucid dreaming and I would like to know how real lucid dreams are and what is the best way of achieving one (WBTB with SP?)Thank you.

Welcome to DreamViews!

You can read about various lucid dream induction methods here and here.

Once you have decided which technique you like best, you can join the Intro Class. You will get good support and advice if you keep a workbook there.

In my experience, lucid dreams can be as real as waking life, sometimes even more so. I have experienced a sort of "dream HD" which is fascinating to see. Some dreams are just weird and surreal. It's a different experience every time, and it never gets old. You have a lot to look forward to.

To both of you I would also say: don't worry about SP. It's a widely misunderstood phenomenon, and it isn't something you need or have to worry about in relation to lucid dreaming. You can read more about it here if you feel like a thorough explanation.

Happy dreaming!

**Omarsito** · 03-24-2014 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by reflections

I've tried this at least 10 times for about one to two hours each time. Tonight I laid down at 1 AM. I closed my eyes, started counting. After an unknown amount of time, my arms and legs began to feel heavy.After some time, the darkness behind my eyelids became a void. At around that same time, it began to feel like I was being pulled, shrunk, pulled, like my body was growing then getting smaller. Sometime later, it began to get harder to breathe, like there was a weight on my chest. At around that same time, I couldn't feel my arms or legs at all, but I knew that they were there. I lingered in this state for an unknown amount of time, unable to proceed. When I tried to focus on the darkness behind my eyelids, my eyes kept blinking and I was afraid that I would accidentally open them. After roughly two hours of attempting this, the pipes in my bathroom make a racket that startled the living crap out of me. I could feel each beat of my chest, more than I've ever felt it before. Since I had laid there for about two hours, I decided to call it quits and got up to check what time it was. It was 3:28 AM. My mouth was dry and my limbs were and still are tingly.

I've had no hallucinations. There was one time when I first started and had laid my hands on my chest that I thought they were bound there, but that was about it. The only time I really ended up hallucinating was when I tried this thing called the Ganzfeld effect and thought I was laying on a raft in the ocean. Anyway, nothing interesting's happened and it's really frustrating because a couple of years back, from the time I was, like, 7 to 12, I was able to enter lucid dreams at will. Now? Nothing at all.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hey dude, yea you're not really gonna reach SP (or the correct term is REM Atonia, honestly it's all the same to me) right before you go to sleep. Wake up about 4-6 hours and then try it again. Even then honestly, I think it's still pretty hard but I'm sure if you practice more you'll be able to get it right. The reason I say this is because I suffer from SP from time to time and in my middle school days and even my freshman year I would get it a lot. I would be terrified because I didn't know what it was but now that I do I'm pretty pissed off at myself from not being able to take advantage of it. I had SP twice a couple of nights ago, and this time I relaxed and let go of myself. I closed my eyes and gave in to sleep.

By doing this I immediately felt a sensation of being dragged across my bed faster and faster, something close to exhilarating, almost close to a ride. It was like I was being sucked into a portal lol. Within seconds I found myself in a dream, still conscious of the fact that I had just gone to sleep. I did a RC and became lucid and went about my business.

It wasn't my intent to enter SP either, and I've been trying to induce it for days. I'm about to forget about it and find other induction methods, because I still get them from time to time. Now I know what to do with these episodes of SP.

Keep at it bro