Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

Originally Posted by Sageous

I have no specific technique to notice my brief wake-ups during the night. I think I tend to notice the ones that I do for a couple of reasons. First, I am a very light sleeper, which probably helps; but probably more significantly: After many years of practicing lucid dreaming, I have become fairly well attuned to my state during sleep. Because of this, I tend to be able to notice shifts in consciousness, like those "micro-awakenings," and, less frequently, dips into Delta sleep/NREM; That attunement works much better as the sleep cycle passes, so WBTB's after 5+ hours' sleep are not a problem.

Setting my own processes aside: I think that getting up to WBTB is less about some technique to spot micro-awakenings than it is about having the desire and inclination to actually get up during one of them. In the morning, after several hours' sleep, you are probably aware every time you waken, but simply go back to sleep and forget you ever woke. If on the other hand you already have a mindset intent on doing a WBTB, you will notice your awakening and get up. This is very similar to the way we tend to wake up in time for important events (say, going on a special road trip or making an important early morning appointment) without the need for an alarm. In other words, if you really want to get up and prepare for your WILD, you will.

If you must have a technique, I think Michael Raduga's Phase technique addresses this question to some extent. You might want to look it up (there's a thread on DV about it here). Also, since his Phase is basically a DEILD technique, and DEILD is a form of WILD, reviewing Raduga's technique will not take you away from your overall WILD pursuit.



I think I've said this a few times already so forgive me for repeating, but this thread is attached to my DVA WILD class. I believe that it would be a very good idea for you to take the class, if you haven't already. There is much more to WILD than listing an example run, which doesn't say enough about daywork, mental prep, timing, or the fundamentals, all of which matter far more than the actual "laying down and holding still" part. Still, since you asked, below is what I generally do during a classic WILD. I know it isn't exactly basic, but it is in as few words as I can muster without losing meaning:

That's it in as small a nutshell as I can manage; keep in mind that these steps are the ones I personally take (though I do recommend them), and your specific steps will almost certainly vary.

I hope all this helps, and above all I wish you the best of luck with your WILD dive!

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I have always been under the impression that WILD is impossible for me but recently i have had a boost in confidence given how i was able to wake up naturally (something that i avoid thinking it's hard).

As a backup plan to the traditional WILD, i probably will use FILD. It relies on being very sleepy to get into a dream quickly so it sounds rather appealing to me.
Even more fortunate is the fact that i can practice staying still and thus doing DEILD. So i have a number of methods to follow.

So with all of this chatter out of the way, i will proceed and try out all of these 3 methods in mind. This will take around a week of trying around. I'm currently leaning towards the DEILD/FILD route more than the traditional WILD route just for the simplicity of it. I'll begin with FILD for my next attempt..

I shall report back after a couple or more days. Hopefully next time i report here it will be a success-involved report.

^^ That sounds like a good plan, TDHXIII.

I hope we'll hear your results when you have them... good luck!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ That sounds like a good plan, TDHXIII.

I hope we'll hear your results when you have them... good luck!

Thanks for the encouragement. As for the phase link you provided, apparently it's a DEILD too. More the reason i'm reading it right now. I seem to be focusing entirely on DEILD, and that doesn't sound too bad actually. Like i guessed this will take up a few days of practicing how to stay still after awakening. For now i'm growing the habit of staying still but i need more practice to perform it entirely. As for the eye-opening upon awakening, i'm going to try to close my eyes immediately after gaining consciousness.

Hi, I'm coming back for a little update.
I am still on my way, I'm getting close to interesting results from what I have been experimenting these last few weeks.
basically I use my Rem-Dreamer to briefly wake me up from a detected REM stage, as sweetly as possible, to try DEILD or WILD depending on what's going on during my night prior to the attempts.

I recorded my own voice counting from one to 5, very slowly, and I modified the file to ramp up the volume so that it wakes me up progressively, and when I am awoken, considering the first number I hear, I know from which volume I have been awoken, and how long it took to wake me up.
This data gives me some kind of information about how deep was my dream stage (Phasic REM or Tonic REM).
Anyway, if I have a fresh memory of a dream, I know I have chances to DEILD (if I didn't move) or to WILD if I do a short WBTB.

The result I got so far, from 2 of the 3 last attempts, is the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of something, but you know what? it 's better than nothing!
I mean, excepted the case I use Galantamine and other stuffs that give me something like 90% chances to be successful at a WILD or DEILD attempt, I nearly have never been able to be successful at a WILD when I was trying to do it voluntary and without any LD supplement.
I do have had several successful WILDs but it was by luck and not planed (I was luckily on the right conditions just before a REM window opened itself).

But now, like I said, the beginning of something is happening with my last natural, but helped by technology, attempts.
It's like my brain, or my mind was starting to learn how to initiate what I only experimented by luck so far or by the use of pro Choline molecules.

What I got was nothing very impressive, only some brief conscious entries in the dream world (very short WILD and short WILD onsets) but I'm exited with this:

-3 days ago when I was having a nap with my Rem-Dreamer (I never have REM sleep during my afternoon naps, but this time I had got because of REM debt I presume), I have been awoken two times from my dream by my recorded counting voice and immediately started to try a DEILD.
the first time reentered in a dream with only a part of me who knew I was in a dream,

-the day after I tried another nap WILD, the mask didn't goes off, but I practiced a more classic WILD approach, and after having passed some slow sleep stages repeating my mantra, I started to see the beginning of a clear and solid image, but small and in the center of my field of view, I'm pretty sure a dream was trying to form, but I just woke up for a reason I don't remember. I also think I didn't have enought REM dept this time.

-yesterday night I have had a first WBTB after something like 4h of sleep, which was a long WBTB, but when I returned to bed, I programed my RD to scan my eye movements from 7 am to 9 am, (so after about 6h of sleep), and because the RD woke me up several times (indeed most of the time it nearly woke me up but it was FA)I had been cruising on the line between wakefulness and REM sleep .
So I thought several time about trying to WILD, and once, when I was really awoken (was I?) I have this short WILD where I found myself in the backstage of a Metallica's big concert, I went on the stage in front of 100 000 people and played the guitar with the four horsemen during few riffs.

lucidity was not enormous, my dream recall was not very good (because I have got much Non-LD after that), and it lasted only few seconds before I must have lost my lucidity or woke up again, I don't know, but what I am exited from is that I'm starting to have some little success in the art of surfing the dive, which has never happened so far.

I think these last little progress are because of your advices and approaches Sageous !
Especially the importance of trying to WILD after 6h of sleep, and not before.
Even if I am more trying to practice DEILD than WILD, I must say that you are absolutely right about this !
I feel it: it is more likely to happen during the last 2 hours of sleep than if I try it after 4,5h of sleep (which I have always been choosing for WBTB)

Also the mantra approach, and the fact that I have been training to stay conscious during the sleep stages 1 and 2 are starting to pay.

Unfortunately some headache issues are ruining some of my nights, so I can't train as often as I would like to, but I try to keep trying whenever I can.

So once again, thank you for your advices Sageous
(I am also taking in account your advices about what to do and what not to do during a WBTB to stay in the dreamy state of mind)

This night things didn't happen like I wanted :
-I woke up at 2:30 AM, after only 2 hours of sleep, feeling that I won't be able to fall back to sleep immediately.
-to help me falling back quick, I took about 500 mg of L-theanine (but it may have distorted my sleep cycles)
-in spite of returning to bed I turned the TV on (one of the number one mistakes) so my WBTB was too soon and too long (about 1,5-2h) without providing any REM rebound (I rather had got a slow sleep rebound instead).
-when I returned to bed at between 4 and 5 AM I put my RemDreamer and programmed it to stay off for about two hours, but from 6 to 8 AM it only went off 4 times, when I was changing my position or moving the mask to see what time it was.
-at 8AM I did a micro WBTB: I remained seated a few seconds on my bed, then lie on my back, starting to repeat my mantra, in order to make a classic WILD attempt.
-then I felt my body becoming numb, but I also started to feel itches, that I tried to ignore for few minutes, until I decided to scratch, and then other itches appeared, and so on.
Finally I turned on my side and must have felt asleep in some kind of n-REM sleep, or tonic REM, cause I woke up at 9 without any dream memorie.
I presume that because of the bunch of L-theanine and the too early WBTB, I didn't have any phasic REM sleep after 8AM to exploit.

My questions:
How do you resist the temptation to scratch yourselves when itches appear, and if you do, how long are you supposed to resist before this phenomenon disapear?
Where do you think these itches come from? do you think it is associated to the sleep onset, like it is explained on the Lucidology101 stuff?
Do you even try to resist, or do you scratch each time it appear? in other words, do you think it is important to resist the more you can to achieve a WILD?
have you got a tip to avoid this phenomenon?

Upon further practice of the DEILD approach, staying still with my eyes closed is gradually becoming easier to pull off. Still not ready for an actual attempt, but it's close.

Originally Posted by Kaan

This night things didn't happen like I wanted :
-I woke up at 2:30 AM, after only 2 hours of sleep, feeling that I won't be able to fall back to sleep immediately.
-to help me falling back quick, I took about 500 mg of L-theanine (but it may have distorted my sleep cycles)
-in spite of returning to bed I turned the TV on (one of the number one mistakes) so my WBTB was too soon and too long (about 1,5-2h) without providing any REM rebound (I rather had got a slow sleep rebound instead).
-when I returned to bed at between 4 and 5 AM I put my RemDreamer and programmed it to stay off for about two hours, but from 6 to 8 AM it only went off 4 times, when I was changing my position or moving the mask to see what time it was.
-at 8AM I did a micro WBTB: I remained seated a few seconds on my bed, then lie on my back, starting to repeat my mantra, in order to make a classic WILD attempt.
-then I felt my body becoming numb, but I also started to feel itches, that I tried to ignore for few minutes, until I decided to scratch, and then other itches appeared, and so on.
Finally I turned on my side and must have felt asleep in some kind of n-REM sleep, or tonic REM, cause I woke up at 9 without any dream memorie.
I presume that because of the bunch of L-theanine and the too early WBTB, I didn't have any phasic REM sleep after 8AM to exploit.

Interesting account, Kaan... were you actually going for a classic WILD, or were you looking for something else? I ask this sincerely because, given that you broke pretty much every guideline for WILD itself (i.e., you got up too soon for 1st WBTB, watched TV, stayed up too long, didn't get up at all for a too-short 2nd WBTB, rolled over and went to sleep), so I'm wondering if you were trying something a little different.

That solid dose of L-theanine might not have helped either, because it could have had the effect of making you too relaxed. Also, and this is a purely uninformed guess, but the L-theanine might have helped create that itch issue, as a side effect of doing a bit too much nerve stimulation. You might try a few supplement-free WILD dives before adding supplements to the mix, just to get an unaided feel for the transition. [I have nothing against supplements, BTW, and am a big fan of gallantamine (I think I even have a bottle of L-theanine around somewhere); I'm just saying it might be a good idea to get good at WILD before you add them to the mix]

Finally, since you are theoretically never losing waking-life consciousness during WILD, and so don't need any kind of cue to tell you that you are in REM, the RemDreamer is probably not necessary...unless you are using it for other purposes, of course.

Ironically, you fought off the one traditional guideline I don't care much about:

My questions:
How do you resist the temptation to scratch yourselves when itches appear, and if you do, how long are you supposed to resist before this phenomenon disappear?
Where do you think these itches come from? do you think it is associated to the sleep onset, like it is explained on the Lucidology101 stuff?
Do you even try to resist, or do you scratch each time it appear? in other words, do you think it is important to resist the more you can to achieve a WILD?
have you got a tip to avoid this phenomenon?

In truth, and in practice, if I have an itch during a WILD dive, I scratch.

I've found that resisting an itch (or an unruly twitching muscle, or a need to swallow, or a hair tickling my forehead, etc.) does little more than bring that itch to the forefront of your mind, eventually threatening or erasing your focus on the WILD. I think it is better to just deal with small annoyances and move on, even if it means restarting your dive. So don't bother trying to out-wait these phenomena, because they will almost always win. There may be one exception to this: I've found it sensible to resist an urge to cough; a cough tends to be violent enough to fully wake you up, and the "tickle," at least for me, tends to fade after just a minute or two.

I have no idea where these itches, etc., come from, though I've conjured some fairly elaborate spiritual conspiracy theories about that in the wee hours of many a morning! If anything, I think they are just so much more noise, perhaps a little bit of loose nervous activity as your body goes through the process of settling to sleep. Or they are just the things you get all your waking-life day and unconsciously deal with, and come WILD time you are simply noticing them. [As I mentioned earlier, they could also be a side-effect of supplements, though I could be wrong about that.]

I don't think there is any way to avoid these annoyances, aside from being as relaxed as possible. But you can avoid their greater effect by calmly tending to them while giving them as little thought as possible.

Again, one exception: the one annoyance you should try to fight is the urge to roll over. For some reason, rolling over, or dramatically shifting your body position, has the effect of breaking your tie to waking-life self-awareness and taking you straight to non-lucid sleep. It is possible to maintain your self-awareness with a rollover, but it isn't easy. Better to wait out the urge, which is usually fairly short and come just before your body is set to fall asleep anyway.

I hope that helped, or at least made sense; good luck with your next dive!

So sorry I kept writing in the wrong place - thanks for your reply I will look over the lesson again and see if I can understand it better as sometimes it takes a bit for the penny to drop in my Dyslexic brain.

In the tutorial you say " every time a shape catches your eye take a few seconds to focus on it". If the shape is not h.i what is it?
" During those few seconds feel the mind search its library of schemes for likely association" - is this not the h.i changing into things and places etc? ... What is the difference between h.i and Schema? ...Could you explain exactly when/where one does this home work, is it with eyes closed on ones way to sleep or have a misunderstood? Cheers

Originally Posted by Patience108

So sorry I kept writing in the wrong place - thanks for your reply I will look over the lesson again and see if I can understand it better as sometimes it takes a bit for the penny to drop in my Dyslexic brain.

No worries!

In the tutorial you say " every time a shape catches your eye take a few seconds to focus on it". If the shape is not h.i what is it?
" During those few seconds feel the mind search its library of schemes for likely association" - is this not the h.i changing into things and places etc?

Yeah, I guess I should have been a little more clear there, or left an example...

What I meant when assigning that homework for session 4 was to do that exercise in waking-life, as day-work (I've already edited the page to make this more clear -- it only took 3 years to make the change, but better late than never!). With that in mind, it is sort of obvious that the shape is not HI, but rather shapes you spot in waking-life reality, just before you fully focus on them and recognize what they are. So no, it isn't HI changing into things, but actual objects being defined by your perception.

... What is the difference between h.i and Schema?

Plenty, but the primary difference is that HI is simple, random imagery without context, and schema is more complex, identified imagery that exists in an understood context. For instance, during a WILD you might see a small white sphere, just floating there. That is HI. Let's say you focus on that sphere, and place it above a shimmering tropical lagoon that reflects its image on its surface. Now you have attached a schema to the HI shape, created a moonlit island scene, and possibly have also formed the first scene of your upcoming dream.

...Could you explain exactly when/where one does this home work, is it with eyes closed on ones way to sleep or have a misunderstood? Cheers

I think I already covered this but just in case: You do this homework exercise during waking-life wherever you might be, and whenever you remember or are prompted by a new as yet unidentified image. It is with eyes open, of course!

Stayed still for about an hour however my heart was constantly pounding. Eventually got too comfortable, forgot to focus, and fell asleep. Fun dream though, was having a nice time at the mall with strangers

Woke up for wbtb at 3,30am after about 5 hours sleep - tried to sit up to record dream - recorded it and fell asleep till 4.30 - went to loo and moved around a little, Sat quietly for awhile watching myself slowly loose the groggyness i was in before - this took about 20 mins.

lay back down to Wild - put ear plugs in and face mask on - placed cushions and Relaxed and relaxed and some more - stuff came and went - thought it might be over at one point but then i was Surging towards a colourfull point in my vision slightly ahead ... The closer i got the clearer and the beautifull and huge Buddhist Temple looked ; all colourfull and bright - i recognised it - a Place i like to go - [I Wondered for a moment if i would make it all the way this time - How wonderfull to get inside this amazing Temple in my dreams - I woke up - Felt good and told myself i am getting there

Used mantra " I am dreaming - here and now"

There was an improvement on time laying still too as it happened after only an hour - i tried to lay still for a little while after in case i might do my first Deild with awareness but was too awake - but i am looking out for those "dream has ended Moments now"

I have been practicing DEILD for a few days now, and i have pretty much nailed noticing natural awakenings. I aim to stay still when awakening but it doesn't happen perfectly. I wake up, move a little then realize that i have to stay still.

Does this blow my attempt? I'm very close to trying out the actual technique but for perparations i'm trying to get this down first.

^^ No, a little movement shouldn't blow your attempts at all!

Though it is best to hold still and keep your eyes closed as you wake up, as long as you maintain focus you can get away with some movement.

Keep in mind also that DEILD's tend to work best when you are emerging from a LD, so you should be able to notice yourself awakening a bit before you actually do, so you will have a little extra time to hold still, come DEILD time. Though this is all of course up to you, those natural awakenings you are getting accustomed to noticing will probably serve you better with WILD via WBTB than DEILD.

I've read more literature and watched more videos than I care to admit about lucid dreaming and every technique, and since returning to lucid dreaming am yet to be successful. I've decided to have this system each night: set the intention to wake up after every dream, after the first wake up I lie still and try DEILD, second wake up I try WBTB WILD, every subsequent wake up DEILD. Done this for about 1-2 weeks. So far I am trying to find the right amount of awareness to hold in between losing consciousness and being unable to fall asleep. Finally reached the noise/vibrations yesterday but within seconds of feeling it my dog barked (probably at a demon that was about to kill me) and it startled the heck out of me so I lost it. It seems every DEILD attempt I just fall unconscious and every WILD attempt goes like this: I have dreamlets and zip back to awareness over and over, each time the zip happens I either wake up too much or I lose concentration. But I hit the vibrations last night directly after a zip. It was kind of like a WIDEILD LOL (wake induced dream exit induced lucid dream). I still have issues with panicking when I experience weird sensations but I'm sure it'll pass with time. ANYWHO the point of this post is to introduce my progress so I can learn with y'all as I go. About to go to sleep, will update tomorrow evening.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ No, a little movement shouldn't blow your attempts at all!

Though it is best to hold still and keep your eyes closed as you wake up, as long as you maintain focus you can get away with some movement.

Keep in mind also that DEILD's tend to work best when you are emerging from a LD, so you should be able to notice yourself awakening a bit before you actually do, so you will have a little extra time to hold still, come DEILD time. Though this is all of course up to you, those natural awakenings you are getting accustomed to noticing will probably serve you better with WILD via WBTB than DEILD.

Good to see that it doesn't matter too much if i move.
I'm just solving an issue now. It turns out that i cannot stay still properly unless i wake up on my back. This is easy to solve though.

All i know is that i should try immersing myself with a dream scene then i will be there. Alternatively, "the phase" suggests doing cycles of techniques like imagining rubbing my hands then imagining hearing sounds. I will take up the latter as many say it's effective.

It's been a while, trying to get something to work.. Even so, natural awakenings did. It's only a couple of steps and i'm set.

Welll I had absolutely no progress last night. I'll spare you guys the details. I woke up at the right times but the pieces just didn't fall into place I guess

Almost did it today. I woke up staying still and i felt like my body was semi-paralyzed.. I don't remember actually trying the original DEILD process though.
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I was getting stressed due to worrying about small movements screwing my chances of success. Now i know that this doesn't matter, so i can safely attempt for real next time.
So here is the plan. This shows my current progress with this technique..

1) Waking up naturally
2) Staying still with my eyes closed
3) Starting to visualize a dream scene, i will use my recent dream if i remember it
4) Eventually winding up inside that scene, in a dream

I need to make sure i nail down step 2 perfectly before writing success. I have done a decent amount of practice for this, i no longer open my eyes.. I just might move a small amount. Still, i believe that it is almost done as a step. The thing i need to do next is to actually try the visualizing part because i didn't do that yet.

Let's see if i can progress further this time.

Another DEILD attempt today. I became lucid when I went into the bathroom of my childhood house, though oddly it took longer than usual to convince myself that everything around me was just a mental construct (I had to really focus on the idea for several seconds before I felt comfortable enough to mess around). I woke up before I did much but found I was feeling a bit groggy, so I decided to make a DEILD attempt. After a few seconds, I definitely felt myself falling back into NREM and conjured up some mental images of things I wanted to see next but couldn't manage to stay asleep and drifted back awake fairly quickly. I feel a little closer, though—the biggest problem for me has been that usually when I wake up from a dream I can't fall back asleep quite that quickly (it takes a few minutes).

^^ Nice try, Travis!

Next time, perhaps you might try to avoid thinking, during the DEILD, about the time it takes to get back to sleep (in case you are doing that, even by accident). Instead, consider filling your time between wake and sleep with memories of the dream you just exited:

As you remember your dream, dwell only on the basic stuff, like where you were, what you were doing, and maybe what wasn't quite right with it all. If you are a viisualizing sort, you might imagine that you are still in the dream scene. Essentially treat the moment in a manner similar to how you might attempt recall -- only this time with the intention of returning to that dream. Do this even if you plan on going somewhere else immediately after returning to the dream; it's the process that matters, and not the goal.

This process will help you pass the time as you fall back to sleep while also helping you hold onto your dream state and maintain self-awareness and memory. Of course, this process also can lead you to think too much and re-awaken, so it is important to maintain a balance between a focus on your DEILD and allowing your body to return to sleep, but that balance will come with practice.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Nice try, Travis!

Next time, perhaps you might try to avoid thinking, during the DEILD, about the time it takes to get back to sleep (in case you are doing that, even by accident). Instead, consider filling your time between wake and sleep with memories of the dream you just exited:

As you remember your dream, dwell only on the basic stuff, like where you were, what you were doing, and maybe what wasn't quite right with it all. If you are a viisualizing sort, you might imagine that you are still in the dream scene. Essentially treat the moment in a manner similar to how you might attempt recall -- only this time with the intention of returning to that dream. Do this even if you plan on going somewhere else immediately after returning to the dream; it's the process that matters, and not the goal.

This process will help you pass the time as you fall back to sleep while also helping you hold onto your dream state and maintain self-awareness and memory. Of course, this process also can lead you to think too much and re-awaken, so it is important to maintain a balance between a focus on your DEILD and allowing your body to return to sleep, but that balance will come with practice.

Won't you just re-enter the dream non-lucid? You may have felt something was too obvious to say but please don't hold back lol <----- noob here

Originally Posted by TDHXIII

Can you provide me with a method to make sure i notice the micro-awakenings?

I recommend drinking a lot of water before you go to bed, and drinking more water every time you wake up during the night. I consume up to one and a half liters of water every night, usually waking up four to six times without any need for an alarm clock. It leaves me with plenty of opportunities to pick out promising WBTBs.

Still experimenting several settings with my Rem-Dreamer, the last one (this night) consisted in recording the audio signal used in the movie "inception" : the beginning of a French song singed by edit piaf.
I recorded "Non rien de rien, non je ne regrette rien", that I found too loud (I changed the volume after a while, but didn't have any success) and too long (the second half was to be cut off), and a fade in would have been cooler, so each time this sound was waking me up, it was a bit too stressing, and I didn't realize fast enough why this song woke me up and what I was supposed to do.
So it never ended by a DEILD attempt.

Anyway, before I put the mask, I had a 30 min WBTB after about 5 hours of sleep (which is still not enough), so when I got back to bed I tried to relax and to make a classic WILD attempt, but once again, what is preventing me from staying long enough involved in my attempt, is the fact that I feel some very strong urges to move.
It's like my body NEEDS to move, I can feel a very bad feeling in my legs, my arms, my whole body, something that I can not describe, something that has nothing to do with any HH, it is just a very physical envy of changing my position, and these roll over signals happens very often until I fall asleep.

for now, I don't know how to deal with this issue...

I think the sooner my WBTB is, the worst these disturbing feelings are, so my long term goal is to be able to delay my WBTB time more and more, night after night,until I am able to practice a WBTB after 6-7 hours of sleep with a good amount of sleep priore to this WBTB, because I think that these sensations may be more linked to N-REM stages than to REM stage, so the closer I am to REM stage, the less I will have to struggle, I guess....

I am someone who moves and changes of positions very often during the night..

Micro awakening at 2.30 - recorded dream fell back to sleep quickly intending to wake up again soon for proper wbtb. Woke up at 3.25 didn't feel it was time yet , recorded dream. Woke up 3.55 Went to loo and sat up for 30 mins watching my mind waking up - at 4.30 felt sleepy enough but sluggishness was gone - layed down todo WILD.

Earplugs ect, Relaxed and again + 61 points - felt things changing around while doing 61 points but just went with it knowing I only needed to be aware it didn't matter if I did the 61 points exactly correct at this point, mellowed, vibrations clearer than ever before - now I know what that feels like - noise came and as I was in the middle of it I did my best to just observe - not too exited etc. Dreamlets came in before all that - one where I had a small child I was looking after -

( I am glad I have this to report even if it's not the full )

Mantra was ; I am dreaming - here and now -

Then it all stopped dead and went very quiet... I wondered if I might be in a dream or possibly in the void...wanted to open my eyes but didn't want to wake myself up...my body was all floaty - I thought I might try to roll over to the side to activate dream body. Then I experimented with a little movement and found I was simply awake in bed...

As well as RRC + RC - Trying to remember during daytime to look out for the shapes in corner of my vision etc - the ones you mention in the prep work - looking at Schema...
Mostly I forget but when I remember I find it quite funny the feeling I get when noticing the shapes and not being able to name them - it's an uneasy feeling at first as I watch my mind coming up with quick answeres for what might be there - is that what you meant for us to look at? Thanks Sageous

Today's attempt was blown by side interruptions. Getting rid of the source, and going for another attempt tonight.