Thread: DILD Awareness Technique - Where And Why - My Concept/Idea For Technique

Hi Misaka! long time no see. good to hear from you again.

your method make sense! what make it hard is consistency as it may takes some months to manifest its CONSTANT effects on dreams. as i know you, you can do it well!
please keep us informed of your progress....

good luck!

I think general mindfulness/paying attention during waking life is the best route. For one thing, it's not artificial/exhausting like ADA: you're paying attention to your life, which brings great joy and enhances both the waking and the dreaming state. Yes for dreaming you do want to keep a subtext to your awareness that you want to recognize the dream state, but that's not something I find hard to do. As an added benefit really paying attention to waking life makes your dreaming in general become very present and vivid.

Yeah, I have considered something like this as well. I have tried developing habit of doing RC when I change environment. Those 21 days have already passed (if you do something for 21 days in a row it becomes a habit) and I didn't do a single RC in a dream. Let me know how it goes with this. I am going to do this RC thingy for 11 more days, so I practice it 30 days. If it doesn't work, I will try this awareness technique.

But let me add that I think there's nothing wrong with special, specific "doing XYZ means doing an RC" triggers, as long as you really focus on the raised awareness ("this means I could be dreaming!") along with the RC.

Originally Posted by Elaol

(if you do something for 21 days in a row it becomes a habit)

Not necessarily, no. The time it takes for an activity to become a habit greatly depends on both the individual person and the action itself.

^^ So true. There's things I've been doing for more than 21 years in a row that haven't become a habit yet (RC's being one of them). For that matter:

Elaol: I for one believe that the ideal for RC'ing is doing them regularly without them becoming a habit. If you are choosing to do your RC's rather than doing them from habit, then they will be more meaningful for you, and so have a deeper impact on your dream work. Also, if RC's become habitual, then not only do they lose meaning for you and your work, but they can then become part of your NLD's more easily, so you find yourself doing RC's and getting positive results without ever becoming lucid. Try to steer clear of habit-forming in your LD'ing practice, Elaol, and reconsider the source that claimed that doing a thing for 21 days becomes a habit.

Incidentally, Misaka's idea helps avoid his RC's becoming habitual by basing it on questions that arise relatively randomly, and carry a bit of unique importance on their own when they do.

Oh, and Misaka: nice work; thanks for sharing! I hope you'll tell us how t works, and if you make any modifications...

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ So true. There's things I've been doing for more than 21 years in a row that haven't become a habit yet (RC's being one of them). For that matter:

Elaol: I for one believe that the ideal for RC'ing is doing them regularly without them becoming a habit. If you are choosing to do your RC's rather than doing them from habit, then they will be more meaningful for you, and so have a deeper impact on your dream work. Also, if RC's become habitual, then not only do they lose meaning for you and your work, but they can then become part of your NLD's more easily, so you find yourself doing RC's and getting positive results without ever becoming lucid. Try to steer clear of habit-forming in your LD'ing practice, Elaol, and reconsider the source that claimed that doing a thing for 21 days becomes a habit.

Incidentally, Misaka's idea helps avoid his RC's becoming habitual by basing it on questions that arise relatively randomly, and carry a bit of unique importance on their own when they do.

Oh, and Misaka: nice work; thanks for sharing! I hope you'll tell us how t works, and if you make any modifications...

Well Sageous, you are more experienced than I am. I will stop with this method then and I'll do RC's randomly.

Can you please explain me how can I get positive results on RC and not to become lucid? I am still learning, so I could use all advice :-)

Originally Posted by Elaol

Can you please explain me how can I get positive results on RC and not to become lucid?

Sure.

If you do RC's often during the day -- especially if they become habitual and not something you sincerely think about each time -- you will be building both day residue and expectations about RC'ing, and both of these are things that your unconscious draws from as it creates a schema (basically the plot, scenery, and themes) for your dream.

In other words:

Since your unconscious spots all this "RC" residue and expectation, it might use it to create a dream that includes a RC in its schema; and that RC will very likely reflect the RC's you did during the day, tests that confirmed that you were not dreaming. So, you could literally have a dream wherein you are doing a RC, that RC confirms that you are not dreaming, and you will remain non-lucid throughout: you will have non-lucidly dreamed about doing a RC.

Keep in mind that RC's tend to work after you get an inkling that you might be dreaming -- say, from seeing a dreamsign -- and not before. They are more a tool for reinforcing your lucidity, than they are a tool for making you lucid... I hope this isn't the first time you've heard this, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope that made sense (I wrote it very quickly).

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sure.

If you do RC's often during the day -- especially if they become habitual and not something you sincerely think about each time -- you will be building both day residue and expectations about RC'ing, and both of these are things that your unconscious draws from as it creates a schema (basically the plot, scenery, and themes) for your dream.

In other words:

Since your unconscious spots all this "RC" residue and expectation, it might use it to create a dream that includes a RC in its schema; and that RC will very likely reflect the RC's you did during the day, tests that confirmed that you were not dreaming. So, you could literally have a dream wherein you are doing a RC, that RC confirms that you are not dreaming, and you will remain non-lucid throughout: you will have non-lucidly dreamed about doing a RC.

Keep in mind that RC's tend to work after you get an inkling that you might be dreaming -- say, from seeing a dreamsign -- and not before. They are more a tool for reinforcing your lucidity, than they are a tool for making you lucid... I hope this isn't the first time you've heard this, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope that made sense (I wrote it very quickly).

OK, thanks for clarification. Yeah, I have heard for it before, I just misunderstood you. I thought you were saying I could have non-lucid dream where RC succeeds (text changes, I can breathe through plugged nose etc.) xD I have had those situations, but only in situations I wished they were real (strong emotional connection with dreamsign). I will do Puffin's SAT and this Misaka's technique.

Thanks everyone for your opinions

I've given a try to my technique for around two days not long ago. It's been going quite smooth but more than likely due to lazyness, school stuff and need to pay fully attention to stuff on lessons i've gave up temporary.

I'm thinking on moving beginning of technique practice onto vacations. Eventually after two months of practice during vacations technique would become perhaps a easy to do habit which wouldn't be as painful as it was at start so i could continue doing it even after start of new school year
- Peace