Anyone good with DEILDs? I need advice!

[ber5897]

For the past few days, I have been trying to DEILD. I am really interested in learning to DEILD, and I feel like it would be an awesome technique when I get it down. I just have a few questions though, because I feel like not very many people talk about DEILDing on here, compared to many of the other techniques. Well before I ask you my question, I will tell you a little bit about where I am right now. I have been trying to lucid dream for almost a month now (I think). I have tried many different techniques, but haven't stuck to one method for a long period of time. I think this is why I haven't had any success with any specific technique yet. Anyways, I have decided that I am going to stick with trying to DEILD for a few weeks to a month. I am hoping it goes well. So far, I have tried to DEILD only a few times. Maybe ~8 times? (I am really not sure). It isn't that much, I know. I am going to keep at it. Anyways, I am pretty sure that I usually wake up during a dream. I have no troubles with staying completely still when I wake up. Some people have told me that it doesn't matter if you stay still or not, just to get comfortable. I have tried both ways, just experimenting. What I usually do, is that when I wake up from a dream, I try to think about the last "scene" of the dream that I remember. I try to think of it while I fall back asleep. I get the same results pretty much every time. I either fall back asleep into the dream, but not lucid, or I fall back asleep, and I have a totally different dream. So now that you know exactly what I have been doing, here are my questions. 1. When attempting DEILD, what exactly are you supposed to think/do with your mind? Are you supposed to try to fall back asleep, or are you supposed to try to stay awake while thinking of the dream you just exited? Are you supposed to do techniques like you would with a WILD, like counting, etc.? What exactly should I think/do? 2. What are your personal opinions on whether you should try to stay completely still, or just get comfortable? Thanks for your help!

[gab]

Have you read this DEILD (dutchraptor) tutorial? Staying still or moving is not really a matter of opinion. For a DEILD - you have to stay still and keep eyes closed. When you wake up from a dream, for a few seconds you will remain in REM, but only if you don't give your body any indication that you are awake by opening your eyes or moving too much. You should get into another LD within seconds, I would say under 30. It's happening really fast. Just think of a dream you just came out of, or any other previous dream. The point is to engage part of the brain that deals with dreaming. No need to count or do mantras. If you open your eyes or move, not all is lost. You can still have an excellent chance at lucid by WILD. For me, DEILDing is more of a chance event. It works, only if I stay more asleep than awake. I would compare that state to last stage of WILDing, when you already almost dreaming and barely hanging on to awareness. Happy dreams

[dutchraptor]

I totally agree with gab. The best way to DEILD is barely conscious, if you focus too much you will wake yourself up. I have noticed that is easier to learn how to DILD and then when you have a lucid learn how to chain it with DEILD. That way you can have a few lucid per month with DILD and learn how exactly to DEILD, since you actually witness the dream ending and you are already in the right mindset.

[ber5897]

For me, DEILDing is more of a chance event. What do you mean by this? Do you mean that it only works some of the time for you? Is it an unreliable technique?

[ber5897]

I totally agree with gab. The best way to DEILD is barely conscious, if you focus too much you will wake yourself up. Ah, I think this may be my problem. I think I may have been waking myself up too much. I have been using an alarm that shuts off by itself. I have had it set to shut off after 10 seconds. Maybe I should try having it shut off after a shorter amount of time, or make it quieter, so that it doesn't wake me up as much.

[sramsay12]

I've read both Dutchraptor's and Yuppie's guides to DEILDing. So far, I've had two DEILDs- one using an alarm set an hour before my usual waking time, and another straight after that. I think DEILD is best if you're already lucid to start with- while it can be used like a regular technique, I think its biggest appeal is being able to chain lucid dreams together. Personally, I'm using lots of things- isochronic tones, binaural beats as well as meditation (thanks to MasterMind), and today, a hypnosis mp3, so that I can get lucid regularly. Once I'm able to get regular lucid dreams, I'll follow them with as many DEILDs as possible. I can't give much advice on DEILDs without an alarm, but remember: Confidence is everything when it comes to lucid dreaming.

[Nexi]

Is it an unreliable technique? If you do it correctly, then it's very reliable. As gab said, you have to stay still while attempting one. From my experiences, I normally realize I'm dreaming as the dream is fading and stay completely still, without opening my eyes. Within seconds I start either hallucinating or go straight into another dream. If you awake yourself too much, or become very aware that you're simply lying in bed, then it won't work.

[Buhl]

I am not very experienced with using DEILD, however my first LD happened this way. I read Dutchraptor's DEILD guide just before i went to take a nap, and at some point during this nap, i woke up to the sound of people talking downstairs. I opened my eyes, staring directly into a lamp which made me close my eyes again and in that exact moment i remembered what i read in the guide, so i just kept on laying still, and in under 10 seconds my vision became pure white. I didn't envision anything, and i couldn't even remember what i had just dreamt, i just closed my eyes and BAM, a weird dreamscape formed in seconds. I don't think this technique requires any skill other than being able to wake up at the right time, remember to stay still and relax. Good luck to you. ^^

[gab]

What do you mean by this? Do you mean that it only works some of the time for you? Is it an unreliable technique? I mean that I personally can't just have a DEILD when I decide to. I have to wait for the right moment to happen - when I wake up just barely, don't move, remember what to do and manage to not wake up any more until I enter a dream. DEILD is a great technique and one of my favorites. Here is another thing. Although theoretically it should work when you wake up from a regular dream, for me it worked so far ONLY if I woke up from a LUCID dream. Perhaps because when you lucid, you are aware before you get the automatic urge to open eyes and move upon awakening. So even before you wake up, you already know not to move and that's when it's easier. And here is where experience from WILDing - keeping your mind aware while body is asleep comes in handy. You can have a DEILD either after DILD or WILD, so I would also recommend you keep practicing for either one of them and be ready for a moment when the conditions are great for a DEILD. And none of the techniques are 100% reliable, since there is so many components that have to be just exactly right for you to get a lucid. But with some practice, perseverance, excitement and intent you have a great chance to get very good at it. Good luck.

[Zyangur]

When you are thinking about the dream you just came out of, think of the details, and try to feel them, just not too hard because that will wake you up. The guide I'm currently using is this one: http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/yuppie...-dream-126343/ Head on over and introduce yourself there. There are a few people learning and nearly daily posting their results there

[ber5897]

Personally, I'm using lots of things- isochronic tones, binaural beats as well as meditation (thanks to MasterMind), and today, a hypnosis mp3, so that I can get lucid regularly. Once I'm able to get regular lucid dreams, I'll follow them with as many DEILDs as possible. I have considered trying isochronic tones, but have never gotten to it. Do they seem to work well for you, and help you get lucid? If so, would you mind sending me a link to the one that you use? I can't give much advice on DEILDs without an alarm I do use an alarm to attempt DEILDs...

[dutchraptor]

When I practise DEILD it is the most reliable and strong technique possible, for chaining and starting lucid dream but it requires absolute utter devotion. It can be disheartening because using an alarm just doesn't work as well for all people, at first it seems like you could be having so much DILDS in the the time it takes to get proefficient at DEILD and the morning that you wake up without remembering even a single attempt can be horrible. I used to practise it constant but I got a bit lazy so now I almost try to only DILD and chain them with DEILD.

[sramsay12]

@Ber The Isochronic Tones I use are for meditation, not for lucid dreaming. I have tried them for lucid dreaming, with no success, however I did not combine them with WBTB as recommended. The site I used was iso-tones.com/index.php/tones. I can say that for relaxation, and therefore success with meditation and also WILDs, Isochronic Tones are infinitely superior to binaural beats. I have experience small effects from binaural beats, but I can confirm that isochronic tones DO work. I doubt that they are a placebo effect like BB are often accused of being. I will give you an example: The Best Instant Stress Relief Music - Alpha Isochronic tones w/ rain & music - YouTube I listened to that during a meditation attempt and within three minutes I felt extremely relaxed. I believe that this would be a perfect aid to WILDing- in fact I intend to use it with WILD tonight. I hope I've helped, with luck isochronic tones will work for you, and you will have success with DEILDs. Also, listen to Dutchraptor as he knows his stuff.

[ber5897]

however I did not combine them with WBTB as recommended. @sramsay12 you say this, but you also say that you use isochronic tones to help you WILD. So are you trying to WILD when initially falling asleep? And thanks for the links!

[Sensei]

Your biggest problem comes from the first statement. For the past few days. Gotta stick to whatever technique you are doing for at least a month each.

[ber5897]

@BrandonBoss I know, I am planning on sticking with DEILD for a while. I just needed a little help with some misunderstandings I had!

[faceonmars]

Wow... these posts are all over the place. If you set an alarm you are NOT attempting a DEILD (Dream Exit). DEILD's are attempted when you awaken from a dream... at random. Ergo, you cannot set an alarm. Setting an alarm would be called a WILD (Wake Induced).

[ber5897]

Wow... these posts are all over the place. If you set an alarm you are NOT attempting a DEILD (Dream Exit). DEILD's are attempted when you awaken from a dream... at random. Ergo, you cannot set an alarm. Setting an alarm would be called a WILD (Wake Induced). I have an alarm that turns itself off after a set amount of time. Therefore, you can set it to turn off by itself, which would wake you up just enough for a DEILD. As long as you know your REM cycles, and wake up during a dream, it should, if the conditions are right, help induce a DEILD. For me, I seem to know when my REM cycle is, so I know when to set my alarm to usually wake up during a dream. I also would say that I have fairly good dream recall, and I seem to not have too much trouble staying still when I wake up. So after practicing it for a while, and getting to know what works best for be, and after getting the hang of it, I should be able to have some DEILDs this way, am I correct? I know that some people say DEILDing can be very hard to master, but I feel like I can do it. I am going to try it for a month or so. If I don't get any results, then so be it. If I get the hang of it, awesome. It is what it is, but I feel like I have to at least try!

[sramsay12]

@Ber My pleasure about the links. When I listened to that tone, I wasn't attempting a WILD, I was just trying out isochronic tones for the first time. But yes, I do sometimes attempt WILD without WBTB, because it's actually easier for me. My first WILD was done when initially falling asleep. I tried something simple last night- just concentrating on my heartbeat- and nearly hit sleep paralysis. I was at the point where I was having the chaotic thoughts associated with near-sleep, and every few seconds my mind would bring up some random tune that I'd never heard before. Sadly, I fell asleep. All my WBTB attempts, though, have ended either with me falling asleep without an LD, or not being able to fall asleep and being sleep deprived.