Heyy Eddydpyl! |
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Hello everyone, I wanted to tell you people about the weird way a friend of mine gets lucid and ask for your opinions. First off, he's a natural lucid dreamer and hasn't ever really read a thing about the topic, reason why I find it a little bit difficult to communicate effectively with him. |
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Heyy Eddydpyl! |
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Thanks for the reply chance7hope, I know the info is not a lot but as I wrote I couldn't manage to get any more out of him, hope the experts here at dreamviews check this post and leave their thoughts. |
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Very interesting. Well, it's hard to tell what the ears effect is. I probably would say it may be his personal type of HH/wilding noise. It may be a physical thing. Only he can tell after becoming acquainted with the terminology. |
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I also just recently met someone who has had lucids for many years and hasn't read anything about it either. He too does a kind of WILD right in and thinks about what he's going to dream about before going to bed. I thought it was quite weird, the methods that are normally taught to lucid dream have little to do with his, but I see he's not the only one who does it, so maybe it's more common than we think. |
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"If you must sleep a third of your life, why should you sleep through your dreams?"
Stephen LaBerge
NyxCC, I would agree the ear plugging could be his personal HH/WILD noise if it wasn't for the fact he says he's able to replicate it while awake. Maybe he has related these two (plugged ears and eye rolling) at a subconscious level or something? It seems to him that it's something physical, but again he doesn't know about HH or pretty much anything else, though he did recognize having felt it after I explained to him what it was. |
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Yep, hopefully we´ll get somewhere, like find a new induction technique (that'd be cool) or learn something about how the naturals do. I've been thinking, the key here might be the eyes movement but he told me he first thought of this method when one night he felt asleep consciously and felt as if his ears plugged (and eyes rolled), external sounds faded away and a (unstable) dream took place, in which he was lucid. This was the first time he felt the plugging, but he had felt the unplugging many times when waking up naturally. Thing is, I have never felt this unplugging of the senses when waking up, it seems like if his consciousness wakes up before his body does. Have you ever felt this sensation or know someone that has? |
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This is quite interesting. When I was getting started with all this, during several weeks I used a sleep hypnosis audio to improve dream recall. At the very beginning, along with relaxation exercises, you were asked to look at the back of your eyelids, then roll your eyes up as far as you could and hold them that way until it hurt slightly, then relax them, and then repeat it twice or so. Back then I assumed it was part of the relaxation process, a way of relaxing your eye muscles, but maybe there's more to it than just that. |
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"If you must sleep a third of your life, why should you sleep through your dreams?"
Stephen LaBerge
I think I've experienced exactly the same once during a WILD attempt, suddenly I lost all 'feeling' of my body and my inner-ears swelled like when you ascend or descent a mountain. The swollen feeling also caused a bit of tinnitus after which it turned into a vivid auditory hallucination of a bee flying over my head. Oh yeah, almost forgot to say my eyes turned right instead of upwards like you said. |
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If you read this do a reality check, you will thank me later...
We seem to be getting somewhere! Shall we try to replicate this somehow, as NyxCC suggested? I'm still in contact with the natural dreamer, any idea of something I could ask him to try and clarify things? |
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@ Marta |
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Last edited by NyxCC; 08-22-2014 at 05:48 PM.
I would suggest both approaches, wbtb (just in case the NREM skip is something not everyone can archive) and WILD from cold. The eye thing he does is still a bit of a mystery for me, though he showed me how he does it but with his eyes open. As far as I can tell the movement is looking up towards the inside, though I might be wrong. He moves the eyes just once and keeps them there for a few seconds; if the plugging takes place he knows he's asleep and if it doesn't he repeats the process. He also punctuated that it wouldn't work unless he got the feeling I mentioned in the first post. |
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Now that sounds like something similar to FILD but without the finger stuff and the RC being the plug in the ears after looking up. I just don't know why he knows he's asleep when he does it cause when I look up my ears pop every time, does he mean his ears stay plugged or pop open? |
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Last edited by LDman; 08-22-2014 at 07:32 PM.
If you read this do a reality check, you will thank me later...
This! Could you please specify how do you make your ears pop when looking up? I mean, I'm not able to do so. He knows he is asleep because the ears stay plugged, everything he hears from then on sounds muffled. When doing it when awake he feels something similar, less exaggerated. |
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Last edited by Eddydpyl; 08-22-2014 at 09:52 PM. Reason: 1st. Popping ears. 2nd. Yawning.
I've been able to pop my ears for several years now without my eyes doing anything, it was just after I read this thread that I tried it with the eyes looking upwards and I noticed the same feeling in my ears. |
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Last edited by LDman; 08-22-2014 at 10:48 PM.
If you read this do a reality check, you will thank me later...
It is most noticeable for me when I get an urge to roll over when I *think* I am having trouble getting back to sleep. When I do move or roll over, regular audio senses become more obvious and I can feel that my muscles are waking back up. I occasionally notice something similar when waking up after a lucid or normal dream. I think it was more prevalent when I was really concentrating on remembering to try to DEILD, RC or recall right at any awakening...thinking that my awareness of the process of waking up was heightened. |
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Last edited by fogelbise; 08-22-2014 at 11:39 PM. Reason: far from
So this seems to be what my friend does to fall asleep or RC or whatever it might be, the fact that it causes yawning and sleepiness gives me hope. |
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Idk if it this is important to this thread but if you close your eyes and roll them up you feel a little bit of relaxation. Ann Wise discovered that it produced a short lived alpha wave increase but enough to allow a quick relaxation response. Now may this give rise to a different outcome in a pre sleep state? |
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Last edited by VagalTone; 08-23-2014 at 03:54 PM.
Check your memory, did any suprising event happpen ? does the present make sense ? visualize what you will do when lucid, and how. Reality check as reminder of your intention to lucid dream tonight. Sleep as good as you can; when going to sleep, relax and invite whatever comes with curiosity. Grab your dream journal immediately as you awake and write everything you can recall (if only when you wake up for good). Keep calm, positive and persistent, and don't forget to have fun along the way
I do think its relevant, maybe a posible explanation for it acting as a trigger of some sort. |
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^^ Well done with the research. I tried doing this ear plugging thing that kind of sounds like wind into your ears and observing in the mirror. Slight movement in the neck area and interestingly my eyelids lower as if about to blink as I initiate it. You may indeed feel like yawning if done longer. |
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Thanks! It's called the eustachian tube and connects the middle ear with a few other things, tough it doesn't seem to have any relation with sleep other than its blockage being more common on people with sleep apnea. It is known to cause auditory problems when blocked but mainly due to the accumulation of fluids. Its function is to regulate the difference of pressure between the air outside the ear and inside, so as to avoid a negative difference in pressure. |
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Last edited by Eddydpyl; 08-23-2014 at 08:48 PM. Reason: quotes
I am curious to know more about his relaxation approach...that may play a role, as different relaxation techniques can have different brain signatures, despite the same background of the hypometabolic relaxation response |
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Check your memory, did any suprising event happpen ? does the present make sense ? visualize what you will do when lucid, and how. Reality check as reminder of your intention to lucid dream tonight. Sleep as good as you can; when going to sleep, relax and invite whatever comes with curiosity. Grab your dream journal immediately as you awake and write everything you can recall (if only when you wake up for good). Keep calm, positive and persistent, and don't forget to have fun along the way
I had an LD this morning and I decided to test out the ear-popping and see if it behaves differently in a dream than IRL. |
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If you read this do a reality check, you will thank me later...
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