Thread: Strange way to attain lucidity

I think I didn't express myself clearly with the eye rolling thing. It’s not anything like the typical REM eyeballs dance inside your eye sockets, he just looks up with his eyes closed and like looks for something far away, widening his field of vision. I didn’t give these details before because he didn’t himself explain them to me that clearly and I might have misunderstood him.

That’s basically what I wanted to ask about, whether we are onto something here, studying the methods of a natural, like the eye movements determining the sleep phase as you suggest.

We might really be onto something. Now if we are able to replicate this...With what you've written above about the eyes it now seems close to certain third eye visualizations that may be used for wilding. It also sounds close to the vision/visualization tutorials here. Again, I am left wondering if the movement and position of the eyes plays a role.

It's really great that you guys have come across natural dreamers that have no knowledge of current techniques so we can read what works for them. There are many paths to lucidity.

Originally Posted by NyxCC

We might really be onto something. Now if we are able to replicate this...With what you've written above about the eyes it now seems close to certain third eye visualizations that may be used for wilding. It also sounds close to the vision/visualization tutorials here. Again, I am left wondering if the movement and position of the eyes plays a role.

It's really great that you guys have come across natural dreamers that have no knowledge of current techniques so we can read what works for them. There are many paths to lucidity.

Yep, hopefully we´ll get somewhere, like find a new induction technique (that'd be cool) or learn something about how the naturals do. I've been thinking, the key here might be the eyes movement but he told me he first thought of this method when one night he felt asleep consciously and felt as if his ears plugged (and eyes rolled), external sounds faded away and a (unstable) dream took place, in which he was lucid. This was the first time he felt the plugging, but he had felt the unplugging many times when waking up naturally. Thing is, I have never felt this unplugging of the senses when waking up, it seems like if his consciousness wakes up before his body does. Have you ever felt this sensation or know someone that has?

Originally Posted by Eddydpyl

Thing is, I have never felt this unplugging of the senses when waking up, it seems like if his consciousness wakes up before his body does. Have you ever felt this sensation or know someone that has?

It is most noticeable for me when I get an urge to roll over when I *think* I am having trouble getting back to sleep. When I do move or roll over, regular audio senses become more obvious and I can feel that my muscles are waking back up. I occasionally notice something similar when waking up after a lucid or normal dream. I think it was more prevalent when I was really concentrating on remembering to try to DEILD, RC or recall right at any awakening...thinking that my awareness of the process of waking up was heightened.

Earlier, when I read the OP, I tried rolling my eyes back while obviously wide awake and I did feel more drowsy, it seemed. I may try to experiment with this as a way to doze off quicker as well as how he uses it...though I am guessing I will need WBTB and may not want to skip natural NREM, even if that is possible for the average person on the average night (some people do have different sleep abnormalities). As I got through to the later posts it sounded more like he was using this as a way to realize that he is asleep. It can be confusing many times. I have been laying in bed thinking I was still trying to get to sleep only to do a motionless RC before realizing I was already asleep, basically dreaming that I am in bed trying to get to sleep much like my rollover example. It either doesn't happen to me very often or I am not catching it very often. This friend's method may be similar to my clenched eyes method of guessing how asleep I am. When fully asleep I am guessing the clenched eyes "action" is happening completely with my dream eyes and it brings on stronger vibrations for me. When I get lighter vibrations I am guessing that I am just in the earlier stages of sleep and not quite to REM, but that is just my current hypothesis. I am definitely far from a master of WILDing, so I am hopeful that something comes of the method in the OP!

Originally Posted by NyxCC

We might really be onto something. Now if we are able to replicate this...With what you've written above about the eyes it now seems close to certain third eye visualizations that may be used for wilding. It also sounds close to the vision/visualization tutorials here. Again, I am left wondering if the movement and position of the eyes plays a role.

This is quite interesting. When I was getting started with all this, during several weeks I used a sleep hypnosis audio to improve dream recall. At the very beginning, along with relaxation exercises, you were asked to look at the back of your eyelids, then roll your eyes up as far as you could and hold them that way until it hurt slightly, then relax them, and then repeat it twice or so. Back then I assumed it was part of the relaxation process, a way of relaxing your eye muscles, but maybe there's more to it than just that.