keeping the logic side of the brain active during sleep

[pond weed]

most of the information mentioned here is from forums, so correct me i fim wrong. so apparently, when we dream the logic side of our brain partialy shuts down, resulting in ridiculous explenations for strange things. eg, you see a woman with 4 eyes and think, "oh the circus must be in town", thus we miss the chance to become lucid. so if we could stimulate the logic side of the brain before/during sleep, it could greatly increase the chances of a dild. anyone have any ideas as how to do this. eg maybe doing math problems before bed

[drewmandan]

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective.

[Abra]

Not that simple. When we say "logic center," we are using it as a metaphor. Also, dreams do contain logic (often, they follow a plot of some sort). I'm pretty sure that the logic used to decipher reality from the dream is different than the logic used to decipher a math problem. Best thing we can do is wake ourselves up before our intended dream, and try to keep as much awareness as possible.

[pond weed]

ok then, so does anyone know more about the specific lack of logic that stops us from realising we are dreaming. is there somthing in waking life it can be associated to. ie there is the part of the brain that somtimes (but rarley) realises we are dreaming, do we ever use this part of the brain in real life. bottom line, how can we improve this part of the brain that always 'fails' to see we are dreaming. the fact that we can recognise we are dreaming (ie DILD) suggests that such a part of the brain exists, but isnt very 'useful'. maybe we could train this part of the brain with excersises during the day. oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from

[Psylocibin]

oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it.

[pond weed]

I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it. interesting iv never heard that before. how long have you been into the whole LD thing. what exactly do you mean by 'feel it'

[Videogamer 4 Life]

I usually "feel it" too. Whenever (in the few times I had) I became lucid I just instantly knew it, like my brain tells itself its dreaming: no RCs or Dream Signs necessary.

[PNG_pyro]

I know how that goes; it's like... trying to remeber something you just heard. You know that you heard it, you know that you know it, but you can't remeber it. Then it suddenly pops into your brain, "I'm dreaming!" and you're freed from the dream's logic. Or that's how it seems to me.

[pond weed]

so its kinda like a reality check but not with actions, but with the mind

[Psylocibin]

Maybe, if you want to analyze it.

[The Cusp]

The Left Brain (right side of your head) is the logical side. Sleeping on your left side provides better blood flow to that half of your brain, producing more logical dreams. When you wake up from a dream, pay attention to what side you were sleeping on. The difference between right and left side dreams are very distinct.

[imj]

It could be logical memory that is shut down. The normal logic is still there but not connected to waking logical memory of what would be considered weird to see a woman with 4 eyes so the explanation to that with no waking memory of logic is that a circus is in town and she could be from there because it's the normal thing to connect freak shows with the circus by default. So if only we could remember waking logic or waking memory of what we encounter in the dream it would be far easier to be lucid I think. IMJ

[pond weed]

it might help to go through our dream journals and take note of the 'logic paterns', to see how our dream logic differs from waking logic, we might be able to distinguish between the two more easily in dreams, or somthing along those lines. if anyone has any other ideas along these lines, it could drasticly help with DILDing because i think improving (or at least understanding) dream logic is the key. somone should do a analysis of thier dream logic, on thier dream journals, id be very interested to see it. thanks for the info chaps

[slash112]

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective. yes there is a logic side of our brain, there are two main parts to our brain, one is the logic side, and the other is something else, cant remember what. so i think this sounds like your on to something, doing maths problems may work, but maybe something better.

[slash112]

The Left Brain (right side of your head) is the logical side. Sleeping on your left side provides better blood flow to that half of your brain, producing more logical dreams. When you wake up from a dream, pay attention to what side you were sleeping on. The difference between right and left side dreams are very distinct. oh i didnt realise you sayed that, i didnt need to say what i sayed then. i need to try sleeping on my left side, i dont usually do that, so it may work, or help anyway. ill play a strategical game first, then study, then go to sleep on my left side.

[legit]

there was already a topic on this named BTILD. The topic itself wasn't great but in there I posted that I had a similar idea, where I would do math tricks on numbers when I would wake up in between dreams and almost always have a LD. Surprisingly it worked, and it has continued to work for me

[drewmandan]

yes there is a logic side of our brain, there are two main parts to our brain, one is the logic side, and the other is something else, cant remember what. so i think this sounds like your on to something, doing maths problems may work, but maybe something better. You should really stop talking about things you know nothing about. I've seen you do this in another thread too. there was already a topic on this named BTILD. The topic itself wasn't great but in there I posted that I had a similar idea, where I would do math tricks on numbers when I would wake up in between dreams and almost always have a LD. Surprisingly it worked, and it has continued to work for me The thing about those very specific induction techniques is that they only work for one person. They're not transferable, in general.

[Universal Mind]

ok then, so does anyone know more about the specific lack of logic that stops us from realising we are dreaming. is there somthing in waking life it can be associated to. ie there is the part of the brain that somtimes (but rarley) realises we are dreaming, do we ever use this part of the brain in real life. bottom line, how can we improve this part of the brain that always 'fails' to see we are dreaming. the fact that we can recognise we are dreaming (ie DILD) suggests that such a part of the brain exists, but isnt very 'useful'. maybe we could train this part of the brain with excersises during the day. oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from I think you made a good point. There are neurons involved in recognizing the absurd, and they mostly shut down during sleep. That is why you can see the crazy things you talked about and think little of it. Those neurons shut down during sleep so you don't call B.S. on all of your dream imagery and keep waking up. Learning how to have lucid dreams involves learning how to wake up a significant number of those neurons during sleep some of the time, and that is what you are doing by practicing lucid dream techniques such as the use of reality checks and dream journals. I read that a while back in a book. I think it was The Lucid Dreamer by Malcolm Godwin, but it might have been Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge. I highly recommend both of those books, even though the Godwin book involves a lot of mysticism that just makes the book interesting in addition to actual science. There is a lot of great surreal art in it too.

[Peel]

I'm pretty sure that there have been times in dreams were I realize that I'm dreaming, but I'm unable to wake up the logical part of me (feels just like being too tired to concentrate on a math problem or something) and I just forget about it out of tiredness in the dream and keep on going once again with no lucidity. It's pretty annoying, it's like I'm too tired to Lucid Dream. Also, at times while attempting to WILD, I keep my logic brain active, and i start to get really really tired, but don't sleep at all. After awhile i realize that my logic side is keeping me from sleeping. I give it a rest and I'm in a non-lucid sleep within seconds. It's almost as though Lucid dreaming is impossible for me. Except I know it's not, because I managed to remain lucid and logical for 10 seconds once after a reality check (managed to fly too). But then I woke up. I think this may be my main problem, it's hard to sleep and be logical at the same time, as logic wakes me up. 10 seconds of lucidity was an amazing feat for me, as I always seem to wake up the instant I realize I'm dreaming (that, or my logic goes back to sleep). Practice, practice, practice I suppose.

[Universal Mind]

That is where I was for a while. I would become lucid and hold it only for a few seconds. I learned from reading posts here that my problem probably involved getting too excited when I became lucid. When I learned how to stay calm and just drift along, as if trying not to wake up somebody else with my mind, I was finally able to hold on to lucidity.

[Sesquipedalian]

I have a technique that I'm holding out on a little until I have some actual results from a variety of people. It's called the CCILD (No typo to confuse with chocolate induced; It's completely separate.) I have the description in the research forum, so you can check it out there. I just don't want to release it to the newbie fora just yet. (the actual plural of forum is fora, btw) I want some proof, so I know this works, so the bit of craziness that is required is not for nothing. The basic concept of CCILD is to keep a logical conversation going with yourself. (See? Sounds crazy at first glance.) For clarification, this is the link: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=89881 I could definitely use some feedback with this. I hope it helps.

[SKA]

I don't think lucid dreaming is dependant on Logic thinking. Logic thinking is like a software in our mind Operating System. It is useless if not powered by awareness. The key to lucidity is being AWARE enough in the first place to When we're dreaming our "logic thinking" is working as well. It is working in an underpowered, daydreaming way however. In our daytime awareness we are often daydreaming and experiencing in poor, low awareness too. But you need a considerable amount of awareness to be able to use your logic thinking to conclude you are dreaming. See logic thinking as a sensor(in respect to lucid dreaming). That sensor will only detect that you are dreaming if it is fed awareness as though it were electricity. Without awareness your Logic thinking

[changed]

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASf55cov5F8 It says in here they're is a logic center so he is right. Don't go starting sh!t about stuff you know nothing about.

[jarrhead]

I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it. This. It's quite odd. I reality check on false awakenings, or in a dream out of the house, but never when I wake up or go out of the house.. I just kinda feel it. Feel the need to reality check. In real life I do awareness/logic tests, not visuals. In dreams I do visuals. It's strange. Yesterday I had a false awakening and my hands were invisible. Never have I checked my hands upon awakening.

[jarrhead]

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective. You've never read ETWOLD, I take it?