Thread: Shared Dreaming Debate

I think we might be able to unlock some answers through examining memory as well. The hippocampus seems to be the seat of memory yet some scientists have proven memories are present even in muscles.
If you look at the brain/body as one side of the human and mind as the other, the matter based operation of the human body can be viewed as a mechanism for the mind to interact with the material world. Memories travel through the hippocampus, then to the frontal lobe and all over the body. There is a lot of work being done on the hippocampus since its operation is still quite a mystery.
I read yesterday that a scientist was able to activate memories through stimulating the hippocampus with light. Perhaps memory and thought in general is transmitted using light energy or a variation of sorts?
If that were the case, thought would indeed travel as a wave and particle just as light does.

How deep does the rabbit hole go? lol

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

@Sageous, I don't know if you know this or not, but Teal Scott goes into great depth of mentioning things like thought energy and such. I actually made a post here related to thought energy, and how it can help with changing one's beliefs (especially with the complex ambitions on both sides of skeptics and believers), but I figured I was just talking to myself in the tl;dr post I edited out.

And as for the personal "signature," I personally agree with this, as one's own allowance of being open to things such as this, having an ambition that wants to find the answers, the greater the thought energy will be.

That'll teach you to delete a post you just spent an hour putting up!

You point out here the one really interesting thought I was having throughout these posts: shared dreaming is almost a symptom, or perhaps a usable tool, of a much greater pool of energy and potential that this "thought energy" might represent! Too bad we're not discussing that, because thought energy, in my mind, is the real story...

Originally Posted by hermine_hesse

I agree with the rest of your post as well, Sageous. I've seen some members of the IOSDP use a method like tuning a radio dial to find your target's energy signature, which would fit with what you are describing as well.

Though it is pretty clever, I'm not sure that the IOSPD were on the right track with a method like tuning a radio. Though it seems to fit with what I said, the trouble here is that you're yes, you're tuning a dial, and that makes logical sense, but what's on the dial, other than "frequencies" for signatures that conform to your definitions, and not your target's. You'd wind up just spinning a knob with a bunch of meaningless numbers or names on it, because the metaphor you're transmitting by doing this means nothing to your targets, even if they're receptive.

No, I think the metaphors needed to make a connection would need to defy simple logic like that -- since there is no language in the aether, including number systems, you'll likely do better to key in on an emotion, personality trait/demeanor, or even something visually simple like a color or shape that both you and the recipient find significant. In the end it might not be that difficult, especially if the sharers know each other, but the route of the connection likely will not be through something that "looks" like a frequency. I'm guessing the IOSDP folks didn't have much luck with this tactic?

I guess where I'm going here, Hermine, is that the actual connection -- the moment of a dreamer's attention falling on the specific thoughts transmitted by their partner -- is tied much more to attention and familiarity than it is technique. You can't invent a way to communicate; you almost have to already be able to make the connection before you can even try it. I hope that made sense!

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

I think we might be able to unlock some answers through examining memory as well. The hippocampus seems to be the seat of memory yet some scientists have proven memories are present even in muscles.
If you look at the brain/body as one side of the human and mind as the other, the matter based operation of the human body can be viewed as a mechanism for the mind to interact with the material world. Memories travel through the hippocampus, then to the frontal lobe and all over the body. There is a lot of work being done on the hippocampus since its operation is still quite a mystery.
I read yesterday that a scientist was able to activate memories through stimulating the hippocampus with light. Perhaps memory and thought in general is transmitted using light energy or a variation of sorts?
If that were the case, thought would indeed travel as a wave and particle just as light does.

How deep does the rabbit hole go? lol

But it can't be electromagnetic in nature, can it? The traditional energy the brain produces is simply to low to allow for the transmission over distances of a few inches, much less many miles and the curve of the horizon itself, as shared-dreaming testimonials imply is often the case. I think we must be resigned to talking about a unique energy source/transmission here, or else the rest of shared-dreaming simply won't work.

This rabbit hole may have no bottom...

I know the video may be long, but listening to the concepts she puts out, just like the radio dial, etc., I think the examples she gives helps a lot with understanding the metaphysics. I know the Akashic Records do not relate to this, but the idea of thought energy, frequency, radio dialing analogies, etc. is something that might be worth watching the video.

Her way of words may trigger the reality filter for most, but just want to put this out there.

This is just part 2, part 1 was just what the Records are in general, and I didn't want to post that because part 2 explaining the process had some association with how one may channel themselves to dreaming elements.

She also talks about dimensions as well, but I'm not sure if that's included in this part or the first.

Anyway, I'll just go back to watching other people's beliefs and opinions.

Originally Posted by Sageous

What if the thought energy produced by a dreamer were transmitted in wave form? Wouldn't it then be emitted in all directions at the same time, then? And, given that time & space have no sway on this energy, wouldn't it be "everywhere" instantly? Maybe not, but I hope the actual scientists out there hold of their arguments and assume for a moment that this could be the case.

So what do we have? Instead of a dreamer searching one point at a time in the hopes of finding his target, we have the dreamer projecting his thought energy, in this case the context of his dream or perhaps just confirmation of his presence (some sort of archetypical shout of "I am here!" without, of course, useless words). So, in an instant, his personal "signature" is everywhere. Instead of looking for his target, he has placed himself everywhere, guaranteeing that his target will be touched by his presence.

Trouble is, everyone else on the planet is doing the same thing, though usually by the accident of normal dreaming, and not with the intention of communication. So the dreamer's target is still fully bathed in the energy of billions of dreamers, but, just like we are always bathed in the energy of uncounted microwave transmission but our phone will only ring when it recognizes a specific wave meant only for it, perhaps the dreamer's target can single out the sender's signal because his signature is the one for which he is looking.

This seems to match what I have been taught to some degree. The concept was a little different but had the same idea. I was taught (and believe) that on the level of spirit or whatever, there is no distance between any two points, distance being a concept of the physical world. I was taught that you do not send out energy across vast distance until it reaches another point, instead you know and believe that in this kind of thing, distance is an unnessecary illusion. I guess that is a bit different, and the stuff i am refering to did not haave to do with shared dreams, but with ESP and similar skills. I certainly can not say that my teacher knew for a fact that it was an issue of no distance, instead of Sageous' idea that the energy appears everywhere at one time, because how could he or I tell the difference as the end result would be the same.

Here is a weird side thought. here is a link to my DJ from a couple days back. Dream Guide Lectures on Subject I Can not Understand! - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views I was confused during the dream. First he kept trying to explain a type of dream 'that begins with S" and then expressed the lesson entirely through inducing energy feelings in me with no words. As the entry reads I was very confused, but it just dawned on me that it should have been freaking obvious what he ment by dreams that begin with S! It is hard to communicate with him on advanced topics as we do not actually speak the same langue, or something. Dreams that begin with S? Well, hell, what have we all been talking about? How blind of me, at the time. If he does not write me off as a twit, maybe he will give me a second chance and some of it may make enough sense in waking life for me to share. I am not sure what he was showing me can be put in words, but I will pay attention and see what comes up.

I myself have no idea how our brain could affect gravitational forces or use quantum fluctuations (mainly because or brain is to small to have any effect on these) but I do know that there are still many parts about memory unkown to mankind, for instance just last week they found out that would seemed like just a "wire" turned out to be able to hold and influence memories. They barely know how memories are truly processed whats to say something else isn't going on.

Perhaps the energy caused by forming conscious thoughts is just different enough to have a real effect on the "natural" laws of physics. Think, for instance, about the power a humble pin wields over a tautly inflated balloon. Thought energy may be minuscule, but it also has the mighty power of being able to exceed light's speed limit and ignore time. Influence can be very effective.

Again, remember that the energy we're discussing should not be confused with brain waves or any other measurable electromagnetic phenomenon; we've already stepped beyond that for the sake of argument.

I understand that we are no longer discussing qithin he electromagnetic spectrum, I am speculating how our brain could affect things like ripples in space time without using an exotic matter. An interesting explanation is that we can effect gravitational waves through converting energy. I reference in particular Heim theory who states that when a huge amount of electromagnetic energy is created it is partially converted into anti-gravitational forces through 2 different extra dimesions. The problem is off course that we are not creating huge amounts of electromagnetic energy, not to mention that more scientists understand the m-theory than heim theory but none the less it shows that their is a possibility that we can influence other energy forms (couldn't think of the right word).

^^ You might not be accounting enough the supreme novelty of thought energy/thought forms.

Thought energy does not exist in nature, period (it likely doesn not exist at all, aside from the need dream-sharing has of it's existence). It is from its very disregard for all the laws and theories you cite that thought energy gets its power. By defying or disregarding the "rules," by popping the balloon of assigned physical expectation, thought energy may be able to exert extreme power.

If it exists, don't sell thought energy short and above all don't look to what the physicists have defined for a description of thought energy; they simply are not there yet!

Originally Posted by Sageous

It is from its very disregard for all the laws and theories you cite that thought energy gets its power.

Why would it disregard these theories, out of all possible places to look we should start here. These theories have the potential to explain the phenomenon, not to mention the fact the we don't know how this "thought energy" operates so assuming it disregards our laws and theories is not a valid thought. Before we look and presume it is outside our reach we should see if we have anything that fits the picture.

^^ You must disregard existing theories/laws of physics, Dutchraptor, if you are going to assume that dream-sharing exists as described in these forums. Not only do the existing theories fail completely to explain dream-sharing, they are an outstanding tool for "proving" the physical impossibility of dream-sharing ... Didn't we already cover this problem?

Thought energy, thought forms, prana, or whatever it cares to be called, has been around as a "theory" for millennia (I did not invent it), and its structure, even if controversial or downright fictitious, offers decent support and theoretical space for dream-sharing. If you can offer up another "force" or condition that enables dream-sharing, then go for it. But don't lean on existing scientific knowledge, because doing so will only attract those pesky skeptics who will have proof in hand for why science can't work... And then we'll be back in that very unfun place we were a couple pages ago -- you know: the "Is too!" "Is not!" section. Do you really want to return to that?

If I could have used existing theory to explain or understand dream-sharing, trust me, I would have. That would have made life much easier!

Originally Posted by hermine_hesse

Hi there, Windhover! It's nice to see someone from IOSDP on this thread. I think (for the moment at least) we have moved past debate into an open discussion of experiences and ideas. I would love to hear your experiences and your thoughts on what mechanisms might be at work that make shared dreaming possible.

Hai Hermine!!!!! ah I thought there was still skepticism going on here
Nope I don't wanna debate about the existence of Sding, but I would LOVE to discuss about mechanism behind it.

Now, I have to read potato posts... Beginning on category 10... Please hold on for minutes... I will tell you my experiences and opinions... Might find answers!
Before we start real shared dream project in iosdp next week I will dedicate my time to discuss here.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ You must disregard existing theories/laws of physics, Dutchraptor, if you are going to assume that dream-sharing exists as described in these forums.

Stating the obvious maybe....Some of us consider it definitively established that shared dreaming is outside of current theory, and get frustrated that we keep going over the same ground repeatedly. But not everybody has had time to do this for themselves, or has an adequate physics background to judge, and they have to go through whatever process they have to go through.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Thought energy, thought forms, prana, or whatever it cares to be called, has been around as a "theory" for millennia

Another possibly obvious point, which I've made elsewhere....The religious ideas about this sort of thing, while its fair to call them theories, are so sketchy and undeveloped compared to present day physics theories that we really need two different words for them.

On your earlier thought about the thoughts being wavelike. I had a dream about this a few months ago. Of course, the dream could just be a representation of someone's thought about this, so it doesn't mean its true. But I think there's probably at least some element of truth in it. In the dream, something subtle impinged upon everyone, being interpreted expressed in different ways by different people. These 'shared thoughts' aren't merely shared between we who are thinking about each other, at the same time people who we don't even know are having other related experiences. Even the fact that it even occurs to us to ask certain questions and 'share' certain thoughts is a part of the larger pattern. This larger pattern, call it meta-thought maybe, gets qualified by different people into specific thoughts, and those can be very different. Sort of like what you said a couple of days ago about how ideas might be different to different people.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Stating the obvious maybe....Some of us consider it definitively established that shared dreaming is outside of current theory, and get frustrated that we keep going over the same ground repeatedly. But not everybody has had time to do this for themselves, or has an adequate physics background to judge, and they have to go through whatever process they have to go through.

True, true ... figured it was worth stating anyway, just in an attempt to avoid going over that same ground again --- we're doing so well!

Another possibly obvious point, which I've made elsewhere....The religious ideas about this sort of thing, while its fair to call them theories, are so sketchy and undeveloped compared to present day physics theories that we really need two different words for them.

Agreed. But maybe once they were sound theories, before the religions dogmafied (I'm trademarking that one!) them into the hazy masses they are now. I'd like to think that and, given that I don't attach any religious meaning to any of it, I like to think I can see the stuff that inspired the religions to clamp on to the notion of thought energy before others caught on. That core, ancient theory there might lack math (that I know of) to describe it, but I think it still might be loosely forgiven to be called theory.

On your earlier thought about the thoughts being wavelike. I had a dream about this a few months ago. Of course, the dream could just be a representation of someone's thought about this, so it doesn't mean its true. But I think there's probably at least some element of truth in it. In the dream, something subtle impinged upon everyone, being interpreted expressed in different ways by different people. These 'shared thoughts' aren't merely shared between we who are thinking about each other, at the same time people who we don't even know are having other related experiences. Even the fact that it even occurs to us to ask certain questions and 'share' certain thoughts is a part of the larger pattern. This larger pattern, call it meta-thought maybe, gets qualified by different people into specific thoughts, and those can be very different. Sort of like what you said a couple of days ago about how ideas might be different to different people.

Agreed, and nicely stated. Keep in mind that, from what I've read, your experience in this department is (laudably) uniquely advanced, yet even you still could but sense the meta-thought without being able to identify its sender, or even confirm that it was even "sent;" though it sure sounds to me like you and "those" around you might have encountered a wave of thought energy washing over you. It is that difficult to make any associations, much less correct ones. Hopefully we'll figure out a way soon, perhaps with the aid of the awareness and attention that accompany LD'ing.

I just read what I wrote, then what you wrote, and realize I may have done it again and misunderstood you completely. If I did, please correct!

All right, finished reading. So here it goes.*

First of all, I am surprised that you folks came up with telepathy theory that would be the key for the shared dream mechanism because, few months ago there was a discussion in korean LD forum about how SD(shared dream, from now on I'll abbreviate like this) works - they concluded that telepathy might be the mechanism for SDing. The Korean forum and dv did not communicate each other about this nor did I tell here about it.... Well, is this a pure coincidence?

So I'll share my SD stories.*
My first 'real' SD was the one with my dream partner involving. (we werent lucid though) I think this happened in last fall/ winter. I'll post my dj here*10/8 - Shared Dream!! - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
So long story short, I was a robot flying outside of tall office building and Katsuno was inside that building with many people. I shot at people with huge sniper (lol) making loud bam sound, and Katsuno described the exact same bam sound thru pm.*
I drew a robot that I recognized in my head (I didn't 'see' myself as a robot, I just 'recognized' that I was a robot) from my memory - i drew the exact features I recognized inside my head the best I could- to Katsuno thru pm.... He said the robot he saw was exactly the same!!!*He also described that the building was kind of huge office building.*
When I confirmed SD with Katsuno that day I was excited as hell. So this is the fun of Sding... I thought

So... Katsuno lives in Germany and I live in New York... DISTANCE DOESN'T MATTER for SDing!

Here's another example for distance factor. But I'm not sure I had a SD...
One time my friend in Korea and I decided to have SD. We were really far away (on the other side of earth) so I tried to visit her when I took a day nap, while she was sleeping at night there.*
I 'tuned' into her mind and suddenly I saw a typical Korean tutor building. I think I even saw a teacher and students in the building thru a window. Shortly then I woke up.*

After napping I wrote her a pm asking about her dream. Then the next day she wrote 'I dreamed of being a tutor teacher, not a school teacher because the background wasn't school... It was rather some kind of office building, telling kids to arrange desks.'
I was like wtf!!!!! My heart nearly skipped. Maybe I picked her energy signature on the dream plane.*

So I thought that SDing has nothing to do with brain wave - since its wave energy cannot go even further than few inches - therefore it must be about telepathy.*

How could I have SD with my friend in such a long distance?*
It's not appropriate(?) to make dare assumption about dreaming... Because you'll never know how long the rabbit hole will be, but my belief is that dream per se doesn't really take place in our heads - the dream takes outside of our heads and that the dream plane theory of Nomad is true.*
I'm not arguing that the dream doesn't entirely happens in our brains. I think brains act as 'translators' for allowing us to travel to dream/ astral realm IMHO *(that is why I believe that the memory exists outside our heads from an... English doctor's theory.... Muah! I can't remember his name. I'll find a link to the article about memory existing outside of brains, it's really interesting you guys might like it )

So if dream occurs in our brains, then what about shared dreaming?*

Your argument is invalid.*

From my experience - I EXPERIENCED shared dream so it is REAL to me at least - I don't understand that dream solely happens in our brains.*

So SD 'exists' and it must also have existed very long time ago.*

Telepathy it seems, for mechanism behind Sding. For practicing a year I had learned that the 'bond' is also important to feel the connection from the desired partner.*
In order to have telepathy to work, the sense of positive emotion; love is needed. (I've read this from telepathy article)

But....! Something extraordinary happened. I'll share another SD story.*

I know a friend, not a best friend in a class. He's all right, it's not that I like him or hate him. He just doesn't match with me personally.*
So one day I dreamed of visiting a prison and suddenly right in front of me there were 2 guys at about my age fighting and people around them cheering. I was really close to them so I got hurt a little but I could see their faces - there was that my not-best-friend-friend and my other classmate who has a name starts with J. I said stop fighting J! Then I woke up.*
So the next day I walked into a class as usual... And this friend (not-best-friend-friend) said 'I had a fight dream.' and I was like huh? So I said 'let me guess, did you fight with J?' and he said '?! How did you know?!!!?' 'I was right in front of you! Oh...' I realized that I was actually a Norwegian boy for some reason, so he didn't recognize me. And then I asked J about this but he dreamed of different thing....*
Hmm so is bond really important? Maybe I was unconsciously linked with him? Or maybe even though he and I are not that close, we always see each other often in school... So that might have made us a connection?

Woah time to go to bed! Thanks for reading a long post. Here's a potato... O <- potato
I'll continue tomorrow







Okay why do I have * at the end of every paragraph. Please ignore. I actually wrote it on the notepad on my iPhone so... Something like bug happened when I pasted it here

Speaking of thought energy reminds me of some work done by Rupert Sheldrake. He has a theory of the universe in which thought energy produces what he calls "morphogenetic fields". Essentially, all the energy we emit and everything else for that matter goes somewhere. This is definitely not an exact reproduction of his theory but its the basic idea.
Everything is made of vibrating energy at some frequency. These loops of vibrating energy form and combine to infinite. This might be where the alternative universe math comes from. Anyways, energy of similar type tends to coalesce into large bodies of energy. This principle is easily observed in the material world i.e. planets, asteroid belts. It is a basic function of the two opposing forces of the universe.

This perspective seems slightly hindered by the idea of space, yet the level at which these energies operate are infinitesimal to begin with. Honestly, there is so much to my subconscious, im not really sure I can even observe consciously what is really going on with my mind and body. Perhaps this can be explored within dreams? This is something I aspire to study.

We are all the ocean, yet each individual drops of water. That is my metaphor for how I think it works because I cant seem to gather adequate verbiage.

The problem with Newtonian understanding of the world is that it only explains motion within a certain range of size. Once you get extremely small or large, the laws of physics start to change. In that, I think we will have to learn how to combine all these perspectives on physics eventually, and for now they should be given their own significance for what they are. I think the reason why light is both wave and particle is because of the nature of the invisible. Magnetic forces act on light and indeed are the producers of light to begin with.

Think about northern lights. They cascade in large sheets of light. It is invisible radiation colliding with particles in the atmosphere, ionizing them and creating light. The excitement of energy seems to create light. Our brains use electrochemical mechanisms to operate. Thought however, still seems a mystery from the purist mechanistic point of view. Personally, I think our brains interact with our energy body electrically and produce chemical reactions within the brain that communicates with the rest of the body.
For some reason, I am compelled to analyze the mechanics of planetary bodies to explain brain function. Looking at the macro often leads to deeper understanding of the micro.

This has been an eye opening discussion guys! Its really motivating and I am excited to start working on some of this study and research.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by Windhover@

All right, finished reading. So here it goes.*

First of all, I am surprised that you folks came up with telepathy theory that would be the key for the shared dream mechanism because, few months ago there was a discussion in korean LD forum about how SD(shared dream, from now on I'll abbreviate like this) works - they concluded that telepathy might be the mechanism for SDing. The Korean forum and dv did not communicate each other about this nor did I tell here about it.... Well, is this a pure coincidence?
I thought that SDing has nothing to do with brain wave - since its wave energy cannot go even further than few inches - therefore it must be about telepathy.*

Telepathy it seems, for mechanism behind Sding. For practicing a year I had learned that the 'bond' is also important to feel the connection from the desired partner.*
In order to have telepathy to work, the sense of positive emotion; love is needed. (I've read this from telepathy article)

I agree with you 100% on the telepathy part, actually i was the one that started this telepathy topic experience by trying to tell some skeptic here that you need telepathy with SD in order to work properly, and it's two things that go well together. I also agree that distance doesn't defeat the purpose of SD.
The reason why i believe the 2 are good together is because i have some telepathy ability as well and have had SDs in most of my Dream journals. It is with someone i have a bond with for many years, and have been having recurring dreams of many years. Only recently i know we are SDing, and all those years i have not known about SD i could have been SDing with this person without knowing the knowledge behind it.

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

Speaking of thought energy reminds me of some work done by Rupert Sheldrake. He has a theory of the universe in which thought energy produces what he calls "morphogenetic fields". Essentially, all the energy we emit and everything else for that matter goes somewhere. This is definitely not an exact reproduction of his theory but its the basic idea.
Everything is made of vibrating energy at some frequency. These loops of vibrating energy form and combine to infinite. This might be where the alternative universe math comes from. Anyways, energy of similar type tends to coalesce into large bodies of energy. This principle is easily observed in the material world i.e. planets, asteroid belts. It is a basic function of the two opposing forces of the universe.

This perspective seems slightly hindered by the idea of space, yet the level at which these energies operate are infinitesimal to begin with. Honestly, there is so much to my subconscious, im not really sure I can even observe consciously what is really going on with my mind and body. Perhaps this can be explored within dreams? This is something I aspire to study.

We are all the ocean, yet each individual drops of water. That is my metaphor for how I think it works because I cant seem to gather adequate verbiage.

The problem with Newtonian understanding of the world is that it only explains motion within a certain range of size. Once you get extremely small or large, the laws of physics start to change. In that, I think we will have to learn how to combine all these perspectives on physics eventually, and for now they should be given their own significance for what they are. I think the reason why light is both wave and particle is because of the nature of the invisible. Magnetic forces act on light and indeed are the producers of light to begin with.

Think about northern lights. They cascade in large sheets of light. It is invisible radiation colliding with particles in the atmosphere, ionizing them and creating light. The excitement of energy seems to create light. Our brains use electrochemical mechanisms to operate. Thought however, still seems a mystery from the purist mechanistic point of view. Personally, I think our brains interact with our energy body electrically and produce chemical reactions within the brain that communicates with the rest of the body.
For some reason, I am compelled to analyze the mechanics of planetary bodies to explain brain function. Looking at the macro often leads to deeper understanding of the micro.

This has been an eye opening discussion guys! Its really motivating and I am excited to start working on some of this study and research.

Cheers!

Very interesting! I like your metaphor of ocean becoming the pool of spirits. I always thought like that! I really didn't research about thought-energy or something related (except thought form; Tulpa), but from my experience I think thought can emit great mysterious energy.
I think thought has some kind of gravity/ anti-gravity force. I think that's why telekinesis is real. I tried to move a tissue piece and it moved about 2 inches. (no trolling)
So basically I think it's like this: Earth has gravity itself based on its huge mass. So... thought has a mass too, but it's really reallyyy tiny. Although it's tiny, there is still a gravity force. again this would be also tiny. BUT there still is!
A thought combine with emotion emits the greatest power IMO. I was practicing a wall run (parkour), trying to step 2 times with my feet on a wall...but it never worked until I used the new mindset. (I could only touched the wall on the second step, never jumped)
So this new mindset - I believed that I was a professional for wall run, and I felt the happiness succeeding the 2 steps. I ran forward the wall with the belief....and I stepped 3 times on the wall! I jumped so high (maybe about 3m) I fell on the ground hurting myself lol

Originally Posted by hathor28

I agree with you 100% on the telepathy part, actually i was the one that started this telepathy topic experience by trying to tell some skeptic here that you need telepathy with SD in order to work properly, and it's two things that go well together. I also agree that distance doesn't defeat the purpose of SD.
The reason why i believe the 2 are good together is because i have some telepathy ability as well and have had SDs in most of my Dream journals. It is with someone i have a bond with for many years, and have been having recurring dreams of many years. Only recently i know we are SDing, and all those years i have not known about SD i could have been SDing with this person without knowing the knowledge behind it.

Yes I totally agree too. I think the basic key for SDing is the telepathy, as well as the bond. Lucidity might help us to find a specific person, but without the telepathic ability, it will not work properly....
I think just 'wanting' to have SD with this person makes the telepathy between us. Maybe just thought-energy itself, combined with emotion, makes the powerful connection between men, that doesn't take place in physical world, rather really...in the other realm!

Before continuing my story I found the doctor's name, Rupert Sheldrake, who stated that memory exists outside of our heads. here's a link Articles and Papers - Scientific Papers - Morphic Resonance - Morphic Fields
I believe this is true - it still is a theory, but it's not even proven that where the memory is stored....so... it would be worth taking a look at it!

So.... I think I shared enough SD stories with you.

I have to share the telepathy experiment I had myself with my dream partner Katsuno since Zombiesarebad did something here similar to the one I did.
Katsuno was 5 hours away distance from me so I thought it would be great chance to send telepathy onto him. So one night (I think I did the experiment a month ago) when Katsuno was sleeping, I just lied on my bed, trying to get comfortable, thinking of a image I want to send. I simply 'decided' to send Katsuno telepathy. There's no word behind it... I really felt that I sent him the telepathy. First I imagined of playing a small snare drum. Then it reminded me of a rock song - the image turned into a full rock band playing an epic song, crowd going wild.
The next day I didn't tell Katsuno about my telepathy experiment. When Katsuno posted his DJ on IOSDP forum.... I was so shocked!
He wrote that he dreamed of being SpongeBob on a concert show with other characters as a band. Patrick made a cool drum sound and they played altogether. The crowd went wild. His DJ is right here Spongebob Squarepants, Trap House and Tricking - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

So was this a coincidence.......??
Hmm. but why bother. I believe this was not a coincidence. That makes me happy

Then Katsuno took his turn to send me a telepathy. Once I dreamed of practicing a flip for some reason. That morning Katsuno told me that he sent me praciting parkour and flipping stuff.

For praciticing LD/SDing with Katsuno for a year, pming everyday to each other, we realized that coincidences are not coincidences. Coincidences happen because we're all connected.
On the first night when Katsuno and I became dream partners, I remember we both had stomachache during night and trouble sleeping. coincidence?
We went to our own friend's house for sleep over on the same day. Coincidence?
We both had had throat ache. Coincidence?
I remember one time at school in the morning just randomly thinking of dying my hair blond. Katsuno told me that he dreamed of meeting a impressive blond woman. Coincidence?
One time I dreamed of meeting Lord of the Ring characters. Katsuno told me that that last night he was talking about LOTR with his friends. Coincidence?
I think there's hundreds of coincidence we've had more but right now I can't think more...

Coincidence coincidence everywhere. because everyone's connected!

There are no coincidences, we all chose to be here. Getting here was no accident. And that makes me very happy and confident about what we are sharing.

I once had a dream that I was at party with a girl I worked with. And in this dream this girl started doing a strip dance for me. The next day at work she came up to me and told me that she had had a dream that she was at a party with me, and that she had done strip dance for me.

You can imagine my surprise. And I never even told her I had the same dream.

Shadowofwind opened a thread called:

The presence of the past by Rupert Sheldrake

At the end of post #8 a pet parrot does something higher than mere shared dreaming. Here is post #8:

Originally Posted by debrajane

4nd post Rupert Sheldrake Telepathy 1 of 3

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But, after my book, Dogs that know when their owners are coming home was published I got hundreds, thousands of letters from pet owners all over the world with yet more cases. And the new phenomenon that came to my attention, I had not really focussed on it much when I was doing my earlier work, concerned Parrots.

It turns out Parrots can be extraordinarily telepathic with their owners.

Many people who have parrots, particularly African Greys, have found they seem to read their minds and pick-up their thoughts. And the most remarkable cases come in language using parrot, parrots that speak. With dogs and cate people say, If only they could talk , well a lot of parrots can and what happens then is truly remarkable.

One of the most interesting cases I have ever come across came to my attention four years ago in 2000.

A young woman in Manhattan, New York told me that her parrot which had a huge vocabulary, read her thoughts,

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and said what she was thinking about. If she was thinking about a picture in a magazine it would comment on the picture even though even though it could not see it.

Most extraordinary of all it wakes her from dreams by commenting on here dreams. (laughter) Sleeps in her bedroom and often wakes her up by saying what she is dreaming about

O O O Kay Kay Kay

WWWWWWWWow (!!!???!!!)

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Edit: can't help myself

Unbelievable Singing Parrot - YouTube
Unbelievable Singing Parrot
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thanks everyone for contributing to this interesting debate/discussion.