Thread: Michael Raduga's The Phase?

helpppp guys! i have a question.
i have attempted this f... technique everyday and these days, i wake up nearly 5 times and i spoil 3 of them by moving my body and in only nearly 2 of them, i can wake up still. before i even try to roll out i enter another dream (less than 2-3 seconds) but i am not lucid...!!!! why i loose my consciousness within 2-3 seconds? what should i do?

thanks

Originally Posted by yaya

helpppp guys! i have a question.
i have attempted this f... technique everyday and these days, i wake up nearly 5 times and i spoil 3 of them by moving my body and in only nearly 2 of them, i can wake up still. before i even try to roll out i enter another dream (less than 2-3 seconds) but i am not lucid...!!!! why i loose my consciousness within 2-3 seconds? what should i do?

thanks

Do yo do a proper WBTB before attempting this?

Don't try it every day, yaya. You're far from an expert at it and Raduga said beginners should try it only 2-3 times per week. You are probably physically and mentally tired so you fall asleep unconsciously very quickly.

thank you all, mates

actually, i don't extend my WBTB, and i walk like a zombie to another room when i wake up and then i pass out.
oh no....i want to do it every day....it feels gooooooood....but um, ok.
i try to do it only 3 times a week....

Originally Posted by yaya

thank you all, mates

actually, i don't extend my WBTB, and i walk like a zombie to another room when i wake up and then i pass out.
oh no....i want to do it every day....it feels gooooooood....but um, ok.
i try to do it only 3 times a week....

I do too, but I trust Raduga when he says that doing it every day would drastically decrease the chances of success due to large amounts of mental/emotional effort. I believe we both already experienced that first hand so.. let's listen to what the teachers say.

*sigh* This technique for me came at the worst time, in the middle of changing my schedule, so I often wake up tired with an unstable schedule and unable to accurately measure the effectiveness of the technique.

oh sister! i hope things get better soon.
today, i tried to sleep peacefully as you told. but as it became a habit for me to wake up spontaneously several times during previous days practices, so i woke up several times today as a habit although i didn't want to.
i was convinced to do the f...method but i allowed myself to sleep without doing any technique. that was the most important decision in my life because you can't imagine how hard is to fight against your will to not induce LD when everything is perfect to induce it. LOL

Originally Posted by yaya

oh sister! i hope things get better soon.
today, i tried to sleep peacefully as you told. but as it became a habit for me to wake up spontaneously several times during previous days practices, so i woke up several times today as a habit although i didn't want to.
i was convinced to do the f...method but i allowed myself to sleep without doing any technique. that was the most important decision in my life because you can't imagine how hard is to fight against your will to not induce LD when everything is perfect to induce it. LOL

Lol I'd say that's a big step forward, that it became a habit for you to notice micro awakenings, you can easily take advantage of that to induce DEILDs, as long as you remember to remain relaxed and not move. It hasn't become a habit for me yet, this morning I didn't notice any micro awakening, most likely due to unstable schedule. Though you could've done it, but it's fine, resting helps too.

I had another success this night, with the help of supplements, I had a very long LD initiated by a visual (a forest) that became real like as I was focusing on it. just before that, I was trying to imagine myself practicing bicycle but nothing was coming.

In the last success LD I was imagining myself walking when the Dream window opened itself, and the LD before I was imagining myself practicing bicyle.

So, it appears to me that the kind of visualisation (visual, muscles, movements, ghost body..) isn't really important, when the "REM sleep" window is opening, what you are trying to imagine becomes real, it lasts few seconds, and it doesn't change anything if you are imagining walking, looking at a landscape, doing bicycle or spinning, the only important thing is : magining doing or seeing something just before the Dream starts coming, and the entering is very fast, it lasts only 2 or 3 seconds.

It doesn't depend on your ability of imagining very well what you are trying to do or to see, you just have to try, and if it doesn't happen you change . movements, body action, visual, audio,, whatever, at the point you are entering the dream it becomes super easy to feel or to see even if you werent seeing or feeling anything the seconds before.

So the cycles technique or Raduga's teaching makes sense to me ! it keeps you focused on imagining doing or seeing stuffs until the dream window opens itself and let you enter by observing what you were feeling/seeing becoming real.

The most difficult part of the technique is remembering to do it. To combat this, I created a custom audio track with a verbal affirmation saying something along the lines of "I am leaving my body." I then downloaded an alarm app for my computer and set the affirmation track as the alarm, which would go off around the time of my REM phases. Many times the track would wake me up and I would instantly remember to phase. Other times I would hear the affirmation in my dream and it would trigger lucidity. Sometimes I would just play the affirmation on loop at a lower volume as not to wake me up, but so that when I woke up naturally I would hear it an instantly induce the phase.

For me, the most difficult part right now is getting the right balance between excitement-expectation-insomnia and relaxation (sleeping the whole WBTB). Basically I couldn't help myself and made two more attempts in which excitement lead once again to insomnia from WBTB till morning...

Originally Posted by VinceField

...Many times the track would wake me up and I would instantly remember to phase...

This is quite interesting as it would allow me to relax more and rely on the recording to awaken me and make me remember to attempt. But I was under the impression that you have to wake up naturally - waking up with an alarm, even a voice one, can result in too much awakening and inability to re-enter the dream. Wasn't this the case for you Vince?

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

For me, the most difficult part right now is getting the right balance between excitement-expectation-insomnia and relaxation

Ah, this is the story of my LD life! Insomnia sucks!

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

For me, the most difficult part right now is getting the right balance between excitement-expectation-insomnia and relaxation (sleeping the whole WBTB). Basically I couldn't help myself and made two more attempts in which excitement lead once again to insomnia from WBTB till morning...

I believe that strong excitement often arises in cases like this as a byproduct of strong attachment to the ego's desires. This is an area in itself that can be worked on in its own way to improve your practice. It involves developing equanimity and lessening your personal identification with your ideas, practices, and experiences, which is essentially an exercise in dissolving delusion. And it especially involves learning to identify the cause of the attachment which gives rise to the excitement and gaining the insight that the attachment does not serve your best interests, and this is accomplished through contemplation, introspection, and clear observation of the mental processes at hand.

This is quite interesting as it would allow me to relax more and rely on the recording to awaken me and make me remember to attempt. But I was under the impression that you have to wake up naturally - waking up with an alarm, even a voice one, can result in too much awakening and inability to re-enter the dream. Wasn't this the case for you Vince?

I've never had this problem. It probably helps to expect to be woken up. If you're awaken by someone unexpectedly screaming "Fire!" you're more likely to be jolted wide awaken then if you knowingly set an alarm for a certain time and anticipate waking at that time, especially if you intend on inducing a lucid dream or OBE immediately following the alarm.

My sleep schedule has become a bit more stable, so I'm gonna give this technique a go again.

Originally Posted by VinceField

Sometimes I would just play the affirmation on loop at a lower volume as not to wake me up, but so that when I woke up naturally I would hear it an instantly induce the phase.

That's a great idea, I'm gonna try that. I'll try it with LaBerge's MILD induction mp3 as a start. For me it's also a problem of not remembering to do the technique. In theory, playing an audio like that on lowish volume would help with both acknowledging micro awakenings and being reminded to do the technique immediately. In theory, but things don't always turn out the way it makes sense in theory, lol..
It's a bit too much relying on technology for my taste, but I'll give it a go, at least until recognizing micro awakenings and remember to phase becomes a second nature.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

It's a bit too much relying on technology for my taste, but I'll give it a go, at least until recognizing micro awakenings and remember to phase becomes a second nature.

You're right, it's best not to rely on technology. The development of a strong intent is ideal and serves to carry the practice and experiences much deeper than if simply induced "artificially" without the proper underlying motivation. I mainly use the recorded affirmations during times when my head isn't fully in the game. The continuation of the practice in this way actually servers to bring back motivation.

Originally Posted by VinceField

I believe that strong excitement often arises in cases like this as a byproduct of strong attachment to the ego's desires. This is an area in itself that can be worked on in its own way to improve your practice...

Yes, I totally agree that anything acompanied by stress-tension is ego derived. The problem is how to deal with it. Even fully understanding your suggestions is quite hard, let alone putting them to work!
Thanks anyway for your advice - I will try my best but I suppose that I cannot expect results in the near future...

I had a very interesting and unexpected experience (and a Lucid) a few nights ago - but due to high fever that started that day, I could not share it - until today. It wasn't a proper Raduga technique - I wasn't trying, but it was closer to a "phase" than to anything else. I was just exploring HI observation both at bed time and after WBTB and at some point close to my waking time I was again in bed observing HI. I noticed that the image I was observing now was stable (for a few seconds) and crystal clear. At the same time I was definitely feeling my body in bed. I don't remember what gave me the idea (perhaps the Raduga attempts) to imagine floating out. I imagined lifting and immediately I felt a strong pushing and was thrown in my dream body - and had one of my most enjoyable lucids ever. Now, what's interesting is that I remember myself observing clear, colorful HI many times in the past. Every single time, I thought I would soon enter a dream but most of the times I was either tricked into a normal dream, or became alert and woke up. If this works like this again, I could use it whenever I notice myself observing vivid HI!
Of course this was a one-time experience but it was really unexpected for me - I had lost many such opportunities before! I really hope it works again!

Congratulations for this great LD SearcherTMR !
It's good to see you motivated again.
For my part, still experimenting with different kinds of LD supplements combos every 5-7 days, combined with a Raduga/WILD technique.
This time (the night before indeed) I tried a very complicated combo, and I knew this combo was supposed to considerably reduce my odds to be successful at WILD/DEILD and even LD, and that's what happened.
I had lucid parts but because of one of the ingredients I took, none of the RC I tested did work, I mean, not at all!
I tried to move some objects by telekinesis, I tried to make one finger of my left hand across my right hand, I tried to make one of my finger longer, but nothing at all did work, so I lost my lucidity by concluding I was IRL.
All the dream parts were very stable and very IRL-like.
So next time I'll avoid the combo :
5-htp at bed time
Galantamine+choline Bitarate+Alpha-GPC+yohimbine+L-Dopa at the WBTB
The WBTB turned into insomnia and Eventually I ended by giving away with the attempts to do a WILD/DEILD.
So basically I had short DILDs where I didn't have any control on the dream.
I think yohimbine and L-dopa are not supposed to be taken together.
This combo is the only one I didn't find on the yuschak's book.

^^ Thanks Kaan!
Basically it's off topic, but since you knew the combination would reduce your odds of success, why did you try it in the first place?

Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

^^ Thanks Kaan!
Basically it's off topic, but since you knew the combination would reduce your odds of success, why did you try it in the first place?

Because I am still in an experimental phase where I will try several combinations and dosages to select the few ones that work well for me.
Basically, I tried this one to see how it affects my dreams.
In his book, yuschak explains that it is better not to repeat the same combination all the time to avoid a sort of tolerance from the brain that could anticipate what you are going to take.
So when I'll have selected 3 ou 4 different combinations that work well, I'll be able to change from an attempt to the following by randomly select one of those 3 ou 4 efficient combos.
So before knowing what works for me and what doesn't I have to try event those which may end in a fail because it may work as well.
Up to know I am limited by one attempt every 5-7 days, but I am waiting for some Piracetam that I have ordered.
With piracetam I'll be able to make from 2 to 3 attempts a week without too much odds to have tolerance issues from galantamine.
I'am also waiting for some L-theanine to help me to fall asleep and bed time and at the WBTB.

Hi
Had another success this night.
this time I had my very first full OBE experience.
I also used Galantamine and other stuffs, and managed to incorporate the use of my Rem-Dreamer on my protocol.
Basically what I planned to do was:
Sleep at least 5 hours
WBTB : LD supplements, programming the Rem-Dreamer to wake me up about 1 hour later as soon as it detects REM sleep, 1 hour is the time that Galantamine takes to be effective.
1h later, waked up by the LD device, I start to cycle movements visualizing .

what happened what was very close to this protocol, excepted that I struggled to fall back to sleep after the fist sleep cycle.

The dream alarm of my Rem-dreamer was a kind of reminder, I finally did not have to hear the dream alarm, and turned it off just before it was supposed to wake me up.

I will coppy/past a part of a PM I sent to SearcherTMR.
I wont relate the dream in details, it would be too long.

"I just woke up. My protocol worked very nice, I have got my very first full Out of body experience which was amazing.
In the past I had got about 3 out of body experiences, but I was already out of my body when it started.
this time I felt the body separation and lived all the process from the beginning to the end.

It was somewhat scary at the beginning, like a bad sleep paralysis experience, you know... some kind of dark energy pulling my dream body out of my real body, and a sort of dream blindness for few seconds, feeling myself being moved around on the room, then I started to see the room, tried to see my hands, which where strange but there, excepted the presence of my hands, it was like I was floating without body indeed.
I started to float through the room, and passed through the wall and found several times myself looking to the outside of the building, looking down, it was high altitude building, it seamed so real.
I even saw myself sleeping and snoring in another room, and passed through several walls.
the whole experience lasted about 20 minutes, and because I saw my own body sleeping, all of this experience gave me the strong feeling that all these astral/ out of body stuffs where real indeed, but when I wake up, I knew that it wasn't real because the building where I was supposed to be had never existed, and my real body was on my bed, in my bedroom, not on the living room of a friend somewhere in a tall building.
So I now understand why the Astral travelers so strongly believe that theses experiences are real : the experiment by itself is very tricky !!

After that I Changed my bed configuration and tried to fall back to sleep, but was too exited and was unable to WILD again, so I am out of bed.
I immediately took my piracetam to clean my system."

^^Hey, congratulations on this exiting Lucid!
Yes, it does feel like OBE while doing it - I have also had some such experiences, including a full blown sleep paralysis, separation, floating out and flying around - but when you wake up, you realize that many thinks are different - so this was just a lucid...
I liked your idea of using your REM-Dreamer after WBTB so you can easily fall asleep and then wake up at the right time for Raduga or WILD attempts - I might try this.
I am not sure that I understood exactly what happened after the REM-Dreamer woke you up: did you succeed on your first cycle? Did you do many proper Raduga attempts on further awakenings? When did you take it off?

thanks !
So my 2nd WBTB was the Target WBTB for my WILD/Raduga attempt.
the RD sent me a very short and light clue announcing that the Dream Alarm was going to wake me up (3 min later).
I noticed this clue so I was close to a micro arousal if not already awake and did not need the dream alarm to wake me up.
just before this I think I was going in and out from short regular dreams in which I was thinking and talking about my upcoming attempt, and when I putted my RD off and started to cycle the visualizing (trying to be close to the proper raduga's stuff, but not so strict) and sometime repeated my mantra "to stay concentrated".
What happened next was 2 mini non lucid dreams where I went and from where I came back.
each time I was feeling in the dream that something was about to happen (thinking about my WILD attempt) and was Immediately finding myself lying on my back on my real bed.

So just before the Target time, and just after, I was attempting WILD at each micro awakening from a short dream, like I was supposed to do according to the Raduga's technique, but in the last mini dream, when I came back IRL, I think I tried to go out of my body and it is exactly what happened.
The OBE context was the dream scene of the very last dream I had before my last come back and WILD attempt.


from my few last success, it seams that whatever I choose to imagine myself doing (bicycle, walking, jumping, or going out of my body), something happen when the short WILD window opens itself, and that's it: it become real and I am on the LD.

Last night I had another non-expected Phase experience.
I forgot to stabilize though and it was also interrupted by my wife, but still the experience of being propelled out of your body and into a dream is an amazing one...