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      how to navigate the dream world

      This is not a discussion thread. It is not meant as proof of anything. This is merely informative.

      i know of the very basic principles of the dream/spirit world. First off, there are those there both alive and dead, and those born and never born.

      Anyone can fly, but it takes courage. If you can achieve this in your regular dreams, not lucid, then you are in a really good spot.

      You can go from one place to another very quickly. All you have to do is find a door, even a refrigerator door, and think of a person or place and then open this door.

      I am a christian and i've been to the afterlife. Jesus is not there, and there is no heaven. There is a place, however, that is something like this. the reality is that there are good people in hell, and there are bad people in their fake heaven. There is a joke...i once stood before the high walls of this 'heaven' and one of their people yelled at me, while i was trying to enter the place, and he said "Now try it without your myths" referring to my faith. did you get the joke? here it is translated: "you can only enter the spiritual world if you dont believe in spirituality." just another of the many fools ive met there.

      If you are dreaming of a house...this can either be your own place, that people are breaking into in your dream, or it can be someone elses place, which you are taken prisoner. If you can remember this...every house has a key and a heart. If you find yourself in someone elses house and being assaulted in some way, look for the heart. It's usually in the attic or basement, or another place that instill great fear, as fear is their main weapon. if you show courage and strike at this heart, you'll find freedom.

      You will always meet many people while you dream, hopefully it will be a positive experience. unfortunetly this is not always the case. As you get more experienced in your dreams you will likely develop a better sense while in this state. If you are fighting someone, always aim for their eyes. If you are fast and true in your strike, this will greatly disable them. it is their weak spot, the achilles heal. Fighting with fists and blades are more effective then guns, because it is more direct and under control. controlling a bullet to a target is more difficult, if you aim with a blade, or even better your own hands, than you will be more successful in your attack.

      Im a medium, a psychic or whatever. if you hear and see spirits you are a schizophrenic by definition. tho some go on as normal people while others are dismissed as crazy. I am the son of a son of a son of a shaman, and that is what i do. if you have questions i can try and answer them for you, tho keep in mind that the spirits do not cooperate with me, we are at odds. they are a bunch of rapists and murderers, and they hate the fact that i speak these words, tho it is true for most of them.

      if you can have lucid dreams try and reach the school. this will greatly advance your knowledge, and you will likely not encounter the opposition that i encounter. learn, listen, believe what is happening to you is quite real.

      good luck, dont ever complain that no one ever told you the truth before. its your own damn fault for not believing.
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      Hi, I have a few questions, if you don't mind.
      Firstly, how can you be a Christian when you allegedly know all these things? Does the Bible talk of the same things you do? Does it teach people the same things you are trying to teach others? I haven't read it fully but I highly doubt it contains such information.
      What you say about schizophrenia is interesting, I sometimes wondered if there might be something else they see and hear, something unbeknownst to even the greatest medical specialists.. I believe there's a chance that anything could be true.
      Also, you say not to ever complain that no one told us the truth, that it's own own damn fault for not believing. Don't you think that's a bit harsh? I mean some skepticism, especially when you are not experienced in this field, is healthy. Do you expect your average Joe to believe this stuff without any evidence?

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      I hope you don't mind if I add, with respect, a couple more questions/curiosities to Mimi's good points above:

      First, what jumped out at me most is this: what is with all the attacks, threats, and fighting? I've been at this for decades, and over the course of many thousands of dreams I have very rarely been in fights in LD's, and in only a handful that I felt actually mattered relative to the dream. Attacks are also few and far between for me, and in my case are usually fended off with a thought or perhaps change of subject rather than actually striking blows; fist/knife/gun-fighting always seemed a bit primitive and inefficient to me during dreams, when the full power of my imagination and dreaming mind are on tap. I have never understood the focus on fighting and violence here, and not just by you, but on many other DV threads. Do you have any insights into this that would make sense to a longtime dreamer who has rarely encountered violence during LD's, and almost never found it an issue?

      Houses for me (and for many others, I believe), especially my own house, tend to embody a sense of security, of familiarity, and not one of attack or danger. More likely they are simply a convenient schema for your dreaming mind to grab: I personally think that we dream of our houses -- especially the houses in which we spent our childhoods) because they were so important to us that a lot of memory about them was stored, so, either out of efficiency or a sort of laziness, your unconscious/dreaming mind is simply dipping into the largest memory buckets when assembling dreams, and one of those buckets is your house. Other people's houses, or strange houses in general, probably represent a different construct or purpose on the part of your dreaming mind -- or maybe something else more exotic, like visiting someone else's house in your dream -- but I've never found them to be dangerous and certainly never felt fear, imprisonment or a need for courage or freedom when in them... also, despite being in many an attic and basement, I never found a key or a heart either (though I've never looked). Given that dreaming of being in a house, especially your own, is so common, how is it that this is the first time I've heard your description of their true meaning and apparent purpose? Could you elaborate at all?

      Are all spirits really a bunch of rapists and murderers? Seems a bit harsh...

      Finally, it would be great if you could elaborate on your "reach the school" paragraph. This seems very interesting, but a lot seemed to be left out. What is the school, and what will happen?

      Sorry about all the questions, Wolf8rabbit, but this is a thread on a forum meant for conversation and not a personal blog, so I hope you will both understand and be willing to play along.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mimihigurashi View Post
      Hi, I have a few questions, if you don't mind.
      Firstly, how can you be a Christian when you...
      I used to be very anti christianity, because of all their faults and the horrible things that have done to the natives of other countries. What I sought out back then was to discover something true, something that I simply called goodness. Once I saw the face of evil my being wished for something to be called good in order to oppose such a thing. Upon reading some verses of the new testament, the words of Jesus, i found that no one has promised the things that he promises. I could find no fault with the man, and so I called him master. It is very hard to reconcile the truth with religious beliefs. Rest assured my faith was very much under attack and I was covered in doubt. But I understood something from the old philosophers. Evil is not something in itself, its nothingness, it's as much something as a hole in the ground. thats not a thing, it is a lack of a thing. Darkness is the same way, its a absence of light. Evil, ignorance, is just the absence of knowledge. If you knew that that evil path would not lead you to your happiness (the purpose of human life), and not instant gratification but the lasting kind, you would not follow it. If you knew the outcome of that path you would choose differently. Goodness as knowledge (all truths, even the scientific ones who are all in a state of theory and not yet fact). I can now reconcile my faith with what i know; Jesus has yet to return, heaven has yet to arrive or be made. The world is ruled by evil (as the bible states) and only one being in our entire history has promised to save all those who wish to be saved. I could go on this topic for quite a while, showing you the various real life aspects of evil in this world (like Jay Z wearing a shirt that says; "Do as thou wilt, that is the whole of the law" (another joke, its self contradicting. Do as thou wilt because there is no law is more accurate.) or presidents of countries and celebrites and random people in power who like flash with their hands the devil horns like they were some kind of heavy metal fans. but you can easily find that on the internet. *puffpuff*

      Quote Originally Posted by mimihigurashi View Post
      Also, you say not to ever complain that no one told us the truth, that it's own own damn fault for not believing. Don't you think that's a bit harsh? I mean some skepticism, especially when you are not experienced in this field, is healthy. Do you expect your average Joe to believe this stuff without any evidence?
      you're right, it is quite harsh, but you see how it is true. Joe will not believe it. we all know this, but he was at least given a chance. thats more than most people get. remember the allegory of the cave? no matter what the truth is, once it is presented to the population, that person(s) will be treated very badly and treated like delusionals. the one thing i have to do to cement this particular argument is to force you to admit that you are the ones sitting in the cave looking at shadows and in fact not the ones making the shadows.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      IFirst, what jumped out at me most is this: what is with all the attacks, threats, and fighting? I've been at this for decades, and over the course of many thousands of dreams I have very rarely been in fights in LD's...Do you have any insights into this
      Oh, i used to be a very peaceful man. i could easily solve disputes and end fights before they even begin. Now my enemies are many, and were you to judge me based on them youd call me the finest of chaps. I used to be, and id rather i was still, but i was tortured by them every hour of every day for 4 years straight, and they have been trying to turn me into one of them (what you call a demon) since my earliest memories. and not just me, my brothers and sisters too, though i dont know what they had planned for them. There are two main groups that ive encountered. one good, and one who does not give a damn (do as thou will, there is no law) . the current goverment of your particular country, and there are many other unaffiliated people. you have not encountered any violence because you are of no threat to them, of no particular value above anyone elses, have simply escaped the attention of predators, no one is competing for you or trying to destroy you.or you could simply, after all your time there, be already protected and not sought after by any competition. Im protected in this way but im also sought after so it becomes a fight, a war, violence and death, ripping out limbs and cracking skulls with your teeth. There are many who fall prey to them and have no idea what to do, for example....schizophrenics,my kind are mostly always made into food. my kind are rarely awakened because they are simply too powerful. The naturals simply have too much potential. We are trouble and so we're usually kept in the dark, under many delusions, thinking that god himself is talking to us, and all of this time we are been feed upon. there are other groups as well, specifically the lost children (those are dont survive the darkness, children turned into murderers, rapists, pedophilies, suiciders...all the dark paths they do walk, and all leading to hell, hence why they are lost) but this would be the best example of someone in dire need of some tool, concept, or weapon in order to do some violence upon their captors. once you see them for whom they are, id hope youd pick up your guns and get to work on saving people...which then goes to this...

      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Are all spirits really a bunch of rapists and murderers? Seems a bit harsh...
      this is a piece of contention between me and them as well. they are not -all- like this, i would hope but dont know. but there are a very large number who are, both good and evil. it comes down to certain definitions. since you cannot really die, the soul is immortal. so lets say, like one of the 'good' told me one day' that you kill someone and then take over their body. "i needed a new body!" was her answer. if a good person can do this without much moral conflict within their being, than it would be an easy guess that the evil out there do it as well, and in greater numbers. as for the rape part, my argument was this...if you found a passed out girl, had sex with her without her knowing, than put her in her bed cleaned her up, and there were no diseases transmitted to her, would that be rape if she didnt remember it? my answer is yes. Now for their side; they can come into your dream and have sex with you (and as far as i understand it spiritual sex and real sex are the same, with the spiritual one being potentially more gratifying and intense) Now this sex is done without consent. I ventured to them this...if you were to ask that girl if you could have sex with her in her dreams, what do you think would be the answer? again, sex without consent. i call that rape. they resist this assessment.


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      Finally, it would be great if you could elaborate on your "reach the school" paragraph. This seems very interesting, but a lot seemed to be left out. What is the school, and what will happen?
      Im not in good terms with many people out there, and ive only been led to the School once. I saw many different people there, all kinds of them being taught lessons that were beyond my dreaming ability to comprehend or follow (and i was never good at school anyway) but I was told that you need this training in order to be effective. There was something about a flame that you needed to claim, like a graduation thing of sorts. I cant elaborate more than this because they refuse to speak to me about such things. they dont want me to learn more than i already know because i am a threat, the mere act of writing these posts is a threat to them. i dont know how to reach it, but if in a lucid state, if you were to seek it, chances are you will find it. I am also aware of a very high tower where you stand on a pad, and it tells you everything about your being. It overwhelmed me the first and only time a tried. like i said, they dont want me to learn, because with just one sentence, just a few words, i can extrapolate their current state of mind, what they believe in, and what their intentions are. So im left in the dark, but you can go and do this.


      some clues about them; They are often, not always, encountered as a group. with many working as one, one as many. when asked where the live or where they are, their answer has always been the same "We are here and there" these are their terminologies, and they recognize it well if spoken to them.


      sorry for the harshness, both past and present, but ive been fighting them for many years now and ive developed a sort of a mean streak that i try to keep bottled up so as to not affect those who dont deserve to be spoken to in such a way.
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      I like this topic of a school. I sort of wish to try and visit a school in my next lucid. I really wished I had used my last lucid to go do this.

      This school topic is indeed not a fresh one. I like what you said about graduating. I believe Robert Monroe visited this school before going off into OBE adventures. It happens to some people who are already spiritual when they are deep into psychedelic drugs. A school. But to quote what the teacher said to Robert Monroe:

      "Many people come here when they are on drugs. But you can come here without them and this is better".

      He eventually never came back to this school and had great adventures after he was done in the school , ofcourse. I believe DreamDimensions another member on this forum also mentions this school and found out via Robert Monroe. In fact, his appearance on this forum spurred me to investigate this fella. Which is nice, I learned a lot I even went to a hemi-sync training.
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      I am a christian and i've been to the afterlife. Jesus is not there, and there is no heaven. There is a place, however, that is something like this. the reality is that there are good people in hell, and there are bad people in their fake heaven.
      So what are you trying to say here? There is the spiritual world but no Jesus? Or he just hasn't come back yet? Is this spiritual world fully controlled by what you expect. For instance, if you know you are going to go to heaven when you die here will you go to heaven then? Can you do anything you want in the spirit world and go anywhere? Is it freedom? Do you sleep in the spirit world? Is it anything like this life?
      Sorry for all the questions; I'm actually quite interested.

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      im not sure what you are asking so ill move into every question you propose. a spiritual world without Jesus (no he has not come back yet)...nowadays you never know who will go to heaven. can you do anything you want and still go to anywhere you want? as of now? sure. as of when the truth comes out? no. Freedom is freedom from them, and that can only be achieved once you know who they are and what they do, otherwise youd think it was your own mind thinking and feeling these things. completely lost in someone elses mind, not knowing you are being deceived.
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      I'm sorry to hear you have such a negative spiritual existence. It doesn't have to be like that, but if that's the path you decided to embrace before coming here, good luck in your journey. Don't worry, when it's over, you're gonna laugh at how much of a fun crazy ride it was, we all do. Stay safe, and try not to be very negative, darkness can't make the darkness go away, only light can.
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      i wish my old mind of peace would have continued as I discovered more about the other world. its worst than you think, worst than you would want to imagine. there is something called 'calm violence', it is the most sickening and disturbing feeling you'll ever come across. ive felt it twice in my life, that i can remember, possibly more. it is a war, and if you find yourself in peace you are lucky. i come to places like this to spread the word that you are not aware of the violence that is happening to the meek, children. the self fulfilling prophecy, the meek shall inherent the earth, the children shall inherent the world. (and if you dont think children are the meekest of the meek then you have some thinking to do-) and dont worry about me, i have a great huge hope, not negative at all. I embrace the light, and give it to not only me but others as well. My spiritual experience is one of seeing great dissapointment and then seeing great opportunity to save others. it is not as dark as youd think, but i do have to consider the truth of this world. it is dark. I do this not for me, im already saved, i do this for those who've had no chance, those who have never had a choice. im not looking to give someone a second chance, im looking to give someone at least one chance. everyone deserves at least one chance, a choice. and i fight to ensure that they are given that choice. keep your vision of the light, i like it, its a good one. but never forget the darkness that happens to others who have no control or choice in their life. maybe one day you'll be a spiritual warrior, ensuring the peace and light that you feel extended to others in dire need. blessings to you if you follow that path.
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      Wolf8rabbit. You said you were schizophrenic. I don't know if you truly meant it, but in case you truly are schizophrenic, here are some words I'd like to share with you:

      I have had someone in my family who was schizophrenic and I have known others. Although schizophrenia doesn't make someone violent, in the case of my family member, there were murder attempts and very scary things. The truth, is schizophrenic people see the world differently. They have a very different perspective. I find that... astonishing. It reminds me of my own state in dreams.

      I wish I could talk with you, but I feel that as a non-schizophrenic person, I am probably not qualified. Maybe, you should seek other schizophrenics, just to talk and discuss.

      I personally don't know what to think. How do you act, when you have a completely different outlook of the world than the norm? They call it schizophrenia, you call it truth. Why would you get treatment? For one, one schizophrenic I know found peace through it. But I'd like to share something you might want to hear: Schizophrenics see the world, almost as if through another dimension, but none of them see the same story. Other schizophrenics do not experience that same battle between good and evil and that school that you have seen. One I knew, saw that all of the Japanese people wanted to kill him. That's not true. What I mean to say is, if you are schizophrenic, do realize, there is a chance that what you are experiencing, are just illusions. Illusions that seem real. Because everyone's brains are what creates the world we see. We feel the world with our nerves and then the brain creates the world we perceive. So, it's really easy, for the brain to make hallucinations look real. Just the same way we're convinced our dreams are real.

      I'm not saying to stop believing what you are living is true. I'm just saying you should contemplate that idea. Talk to other schizophrenics. Talk to a psychiatrist. Talk to people that love you. It's not because you experience something as if it's true that it is.

      On the other hand, if this is all true... good luck saving the world against evil. Fill up the hole of ignorance with knowledge. Fill up the vacuum of hate with love. And we might join you, when we become more spiritually sensible.
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      you are an outsider. not aware of what is happening around you. even if you knew, you could do nothing about it. im one of those who can do something about it. I have contemplated every idea before reaching my conclusion. Like i said before, you will never receive truth without a doubt. i dont talk to other schizos because they are lost in lies and deception, completely useless to me, and i know exactly what is happening to them, tho if i were to tell them that they would not be so easily agreeable. not many come by like i do. there are many delusional schizos, but every once in awhile there comes someone like me, who knows what the fk is going on. like i said, any medium or psychic is in fact a schizo. its just one who claims superiority while the other is called insane. Know yourself. and i do. what more can i tell you? the truth is absurd. having the truth at your hands and having no one believe you is rather bothersome. so i dont try very hard. No, i am not into some sort of delusion. you want proof? theres none here. you pretend to know what i know and call it a delusion. what can i do or say to dissuade you from this thought? nothing. ill tell you again. schizophrenics are naturals. they may not understand the spirit world but they can certainly experience it more deeply than you. i present to you the truth as my intellectual ability and spiritual discernment can handle. not only am i not wrong, but i have shown the truth to the 'awakened ones', those who doubt as you do, but more to the point, they know the truth already, as they are the mystic ones who doubt my answers. im here doing this just to save children, thats my only goal, quite simply, as though i was trying to save myself. my violence is no directed towards any of the living, only to those who abuse children, that is my only goal. Please, do not pretend to know the truth, or think that mine is based on delusion. It is a highly logical argument that i present, but you miss the point. I have doctors and whatnot who are required to speak to me, youd get a laugh at our sessions, its mostly an uncomfortable silence, as they have nothing to respond to my sayings. I can see you trying to poke holes in my stories, in order to find something scientific that you can pull the strings and unravel the truth, but you are in the wrong place. what i say is true because i am always seeking the truth and i accept nothing but IT. the truth and nothing else will do. i dont need anyone telling me whom i should speak to or what i should be paying attention to. You are one of the doubters, and you will always be this, in your quest to discover the truth. you'll never get it, only once you die. To parade your assumptions as tho it were truth is easy, and im sure most of the reasonable people would agree with you, because that is the most logical answer you can come to. there is no truth to be found under your technique. There is no way of telling me that what I have experienced throughout my entire life is just a lie, when i can easily out wit and out think -everyone- that ive ever met. but like i said, i can provide you with no proof, but i will always rely on my experience. try to accept the absurd, the human race has yet to even know how to speak the language of reality (and thats real life physics), so how could you dare claim what truth is...
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      lol. in my honest opinion dude. you are sounding like you are quite insecure. and honestly hostile for no reason. In the future I would like to actually have more discussions on these spiritual truths as opposed to trying to convince us that you have it. in other words, more juice less talk. More game less cheerleading

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      There have been times in my dreams where I have discovered a new location, then months or years later I revisit the exact same location. I think it may be a real location in the dream/astral world. For example I have discovered a number of cities that seem completely foreign to me, somewhere completely new - then later on down the track I re-encounter this same location exactly how I remember it.

      I also dreamt once that I was the owner of a massive mansion where a huge party was happening. I was helping behind the bar pouring free drinks for people. Many months later I re-encountered this exact same place so I now consider it my own private place existing in the dreamworld.

      Can you talk more about the school? and how to find it? I have been to a dream school once on an astral travel and attended a class on healing. People were sat on the floor in pairs practicing healing one another and everyone there spoke telepathically. I haven't tried going back again but I'm tempted to try now.

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      Eonnn, whether this school exists or not, the way to access it will probably be the same: intention. I guess there are many techniques for that. I'm just gonna say, maybe do vocalize your intent to go to the school and look for a way to get there around you. Or simply spin and imagine arriving there. I know, it's hard, but I'm sure there's a tutorial on this somewhere. But that dream of yours sounds awesome. I have a bunch of places that I used to dream recurringly before that I want to go back to.

      Wolf8rabbit, I wish you had interpreted my comment differently, but what can I expect given what I wrote?

      I am not a "doubter", not in the sense that I am closed minded to what you said. Only that, as you know, schizophrenics do experience things which have as much meaning as common dreams but feel as real as waking life. This is a fact. Now you can argue about the value of a common dream. It also impresses me that you say other schizos "are lost in lies and delusions". It seems a bit harsh of a statement to me, especially coming from you. You should at least have some appreciation for what they are going through.

      Also, I am not quite an "outsider" as you say. I do not seek exclusively scientific ideas. Until the age of 8, I had hallucinations on a daily basis when I was alone before going to bed, creatures that I have never seen elsewhere, like insects but not quite, also spiders and cats and ninjas. I knew they were just hallucinations and thought everyone had them. But, one day, I saw an object disappear. Something that was in my own hands. And I looked around to see if it had fallen. When I gave up, I found it beside my pillow (it had disappeared at the other end of my bed). There is no explanation for what I saw. And I know it wasn't a hallucination because it was not only visual, I had also touched it before it disappeared and I touched it after it appeared. I have never been able to explain this to myself, either scientifically or mystically. I also have been in South America (where such things are more common) where I made friends, speaking their native tongue, and they told me about their spiritual experiences which they had told few people. I believe them. I believe you. Because, I too have seen impossible things.

      Whatever the truth is, be careful not to go "insane" in the real world. If you have access to the spiritual world in your dreams, then good, but if things start to become too intense, be careful. And do get medication for it. It might not be spiritual. We don't know. Someone in my family is a psychic and she needs medication for a bipolar disorder. It's her choice to do it, or else she can't behave properly with other people. It's not healthy. And it is impractical, to lose yourself, thinking your approaching the truth. If we consider Plato's cave allegory. What's the point of finding the truth if you truly go insane from it, and become blinded by the sun. You're no where more advanced. If you got out the cave, you have to do it slowly, getting used to the light, keeping your calm, and being able to go back in the cave and speak properly to the people there, empathizing with their situation, and knowing that in their right time, they will too, find the exit of the cave and join you.

      I think that's all I can say. I wish communication was easier. I just wish you the best, sincerely.
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      i told you i wasnt here for discussion. just informative, you call less game or whatever but my intentions have been true from the start. i care little to impress you or convince you. the allegory of the cave will remain what it is. whomever possess the truth and wishes to share it will be treated like a delusional idiot, thats the whole point of the allegory. as for my harshness, its well founded, since im in constant conflict with them. I wish i was more peaceful at times, but then i realize that if i go that route i could not properly defend myself from their attacks, so i have to be agressive. i cant deny the fact that i know more about it than you. im not trying to get the best of you and say aha! im better than you! nono. i know things that even the spirits could not see, like calling them rapists and murderers. they dont agree with me, but they cant deny that it isnt a solid argument. i operate only in truth, and that means even calling my allies names, tho i hate to do it i have to speak the truth. as for me being insecure, thats rather laughable im sorry to say. it takes a very well resolved conscience to be able to endure the transition, specially if you are caught in the middle, with one foot on the sea and the other on land (again, more key words that they will recognize, but not you). i know things that you dont, and you will always question it. so why do i bother telling you this. like i said in the past, this is not really for you...it is for them, who frequent this site and others like it. I have been put into isolation from the rest of the world, and this is how i relay my story. ive been visited quite often since my first post, and in fact i laid a trap for them a few years back at this very site and it worked like a charm, they came by the dozens. we discuss things and understand each other, and they spread the word, and the word needs to be known. we confront the lies and deception and they walk away thanking me for not seeking power and being a monster, being of the many dark things. i walk the hard path instead of the easy one that would give me the depravities of life and death. i have always sought to be small and humble, but that was before all this, now i -need- to try to be the best and most powerful in order to continue with my goal. that goal? to get more of them to come here to hear and share in the many stories i have for them, for them, not you, i have many more things that i know and can tell but they are not for you. why? because it would be a waste of time, instead i decided to speak directly to the ones making the shadows. there are things you cannot understand and i dont expect you to.but if you have a message to them, then this is the perfect place, as they are monitoring this thread due to the many key words that im using (like water, and the lost children, the school, and the spirit world as the dream world in general) they are reading this as you are.

      as for the school, im sorry to say that i am not allowed there anymore. like i said, me and them, we're not in good terms. And it seems to me that it is by invitation only, but there is nothing to say that you cant try it. They are reading these very posts, and if they see you wanting to get there, maybe they'll facilitate. The thing is they seem to only allow 'special' cases to attend their school. That means there must be something in you that puts you apart from others. but i would argue that your very wish to believe and accept it should make you special. still, im quite sure you can still crash the party, by using the methods ive described to reach at least a lecture , which would not be considered very important by their standards, but by yours it would be a great learning experience. like i said, they dont want me to learn more, i know too much, their darkest secrets, secrets even to many of them. But, if you wish to try and reach it you will need to have a part of you awakened while you are asleep and search, ask or wish. find a door and think of this place, open the door and see where you end up. there is also the transportation choice outside of instant door access, as i dont believe all places allow you to just open a door and walk in (this seems to be mostly centered around dream sharing, opening a door to someone else's mind.) we all have cars and you drive to places. i cant tell you anymore or how to control it because my car is almost always stolen from me at the beginning of my dreams, and i always get a new one. so i rarely travel by these means unless someone is with me guiding the way or im part of some convoy, or even more fun, its some mad max type of sht, but that always goes nowhere with me. its just another fight. if you can find a guide, that would be the best way, you could then go flying there (which is quite surreal, dangerous and fun) and faster than you think. keep wanting, keep trying, i think your determination and your rare ability to believe in such absurd things will lead you there. i should hope so, another educated soul is a boon for me and many others.


      ill leave you with this before i go back to sleep...dont pretend to know the truth, its an absurdity that no sane mind can accept.
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      Well this is a strange and interesting thread. But it made me decide to have an ongoing goal of attending a lucid dreaming school.
      Which lead to this lucid dream that I took to be my first lesson, on maintaining stability:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/insi...esson-1-64158/
      It's all in your head.

      My Dream school experiences

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      thanks for that bro. that was really interesting

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