Thread: OBE from the hypnagogic sensations stage!!

Originally Posted by VinceField

You did so the moment you made the claim that any interpretation of these experiences aside from your own is wrong. Essentially, any time one states a belief without including the phrases "I believe..," "It seems...," "In my opinion...," "According to my understanding/experience/knowledge...," etc, it comes across as being a statement of fact. I don't believe it is wise to assume that one's experiences in alternate states of consciousness are more valid than another's. One can boast of having thousands or millions or billions of experiences, but quality is more important than quantity. As an example from your own posts, you've stated that it took over 100 OBEs before you could even move an inch in the out-of-body state. By my 100th OBE I had already obtained a plethora of experience and knowledge regarding the nature of my self, Higher Self, God, reality, the mechanics of nonphysical reality, etc. I say this not as a claim of superiority, but as a way to put into perspective the numbers and figures you have been throwing about and the relative unimportance of them. I'm totally fine with you having a different and unique perspective. I am simply advising to take better care of the way you present this perspective, as I believe it will benefit both yourself and those who listen to your words. Take care.

Hello vincefield

Again we are not talking of the same obes the ones you gained so much experience in these are simple in the mind experiences and there is nothing in the words you say that I hadn't done during that same number of experiences I just did not come to the same conclusions as you did about them. In the mind astral experiences are not obes, this is what the problem is all about. Like I said if you want those flaky astral experiences then do what you are doing, I will stick to my definition of obe. Is this confusing for you? An obe is in the real in this world in and around the things you see around you. An obe is an out of body experience not an in the mind experience as you are having and explaining in your belief of finding god, higher self, and reality.

As for how I stated these thoughts you can choose to believe what you want. I have seen and know how they are done, I am only informing you of this. Like any information you can disregard it or you can try and confirm it or you can ignore it, it's your choice. I do however know that what I am saying is 100 percent accurate I have left it open for others though to try and figure it out. Now this last statement is fact and I am stating it as such. In your statements above you say you found all these things and are stating this also as fact I do not see, I believe.., it seems..., in my opinion..

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