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      Is it possible to move items in the physical world?

      during an OBE is it possible to move items the in physical world. if so to what extent and how can this be mastered? if its possible could people use this power for money/helping people?

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      ^^ To date is is not possible (as far as I know, anyway), but this sure seems like something you could try to make possible...

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      From my perspective, lucid dreaming can be used to create change in the world the same way that spells and ritual can in Wicca and other pagan practices. I use ritual (or induce a dream) to focus my intent and willpower on the action that I want to take, and that's "step one" of creating the change I want to see in the world.

      Say I wanted to keep my house clean. I might use one of these tools to emulate the refreshing feeling of having a clean house, which would help to motivate me to do the work to keep it clean on a continual basis. By doing this, lucid dreaming (or magic) might actually be able to move objects in the physical world... by motivating me to do the work of moving the objects in the physical world.

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      Given your question, I have to ask something first. If one is having a true OBE, is it not true that they are without any kind of physical body? If so, what means would somebody having an OBE have to cause direct translocation/displacement of a physical material object?

      Now, having asked all that, is this really more or less what you are trying to ask with this topic? That is how I interpret it, anyway (it's really the same, just more specific). Then, in order for something like this to work, wouldn't someone have to have a means of utilizing some form of energy to cause this change in physical reality? How would something like that even begin to work, especially considering we still aren't sure that OBEs are really what they seem to be? At the moment there is no empirical evidence supporting the theory that OBEs are truly experiences in which one leaves his or her body and sees the true physical world in the reality everyone shares and inhabits. It is just as easy to make the statement that all OBEs are exceptionally vivid dreams that sometimes have similar or nearly identical events take place and be witnessed during the course of the dream. I'm not trying to say OBE is one way or the other because that isn't the topic of discussion, but assuming OBEs are what people who experience them believe them to be, by what method could a person without a body possibly move objects in physical reality?

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      lol, obviously possible. What you're asking is how to do it. The fun part is figuring that out.

      "From here any way is the right way."
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      It is said that "ghosts" or disincarnate spirits have been known to directly affect the physical plane by moving objects and such. If this is truly possible, then perhaps it is just as possible for an individual in the out-of-body state to do so, assuming that they are operating in the same level of nonphysical reality as these poltergeists. It seems unlikely from a theoretical standpoint according to my understanding of things, but perhaps my worldview is inadequate.

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      No that's accurate. The reason they call it extra-sensory perception (ESP) is because sometimes you need to deny logic and your senses to achieve what you want
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      I tried this a few times... It goes like this- I concentrate on the thing I want to move to really have the feel of it, and then I try to move it to new place. Sometimes I really feel that thing and I feel it like unmovable object... then it gives up and I'm able to move it. But that is OBE. When I check it in physical dimension, then nothing changes. I spoke with one guy about this and he told me that I don't have enough energy That at first I hold it for real, then it slips and my subconscious mind imagines its relocation. There is nothing bad about trying, we can do it indefinitely... training our spiritual muscles???
      I'm skeptic about this, but why not to experiment?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wisher View Post
      lol, obviously possible. What you're asking is how to do it. The fun part is figuring that out.

      "From here any way is the right way."
      -Robert Waggoner's Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self
      Since you are so confident, could you try explaining things for those of us more skeptical? How this is possible really eludes me and I sincerely would like a serious reply that explains the mechanics of how one can learn to do this, and how it is supposed to work in reality. Perhaps even ways to check that what you experience happening is indeed happening in reality, and it isn't simply a hallucination or the result of a dreamlike experience? Ways that employ methods of making detailed logs of an object's location in the physical dimensions, and even possibly outlining the resting place of what you are trying to move, and then logging what happens after you return to your body. It's possible to fabricate, but some videos, multiple people performing the experiment, and a group of interested peers making sure that the tests are valid would be a good first step.

      But, let's not get ahead of ourselves. I still am interested in how I can do this, how anybody could do this, or how it is supposed to work. I mean neither disrespect nor project disbelief with these requests, but am legitimately interested in knowing more.

      edit: All that being said, please offer more than simple statements of factuality, such as "lol, obviously possible". Again, I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but broad statements like that in regards to the topic, as I see it now, are impossible to seriously make. How is it that it is possible, can you provide an explanation rather than a statement of fact?
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      I can imagine a way to move things in the real world from a dream: put electrodes on your head, connect a BCI machine to control a robot with your dreaming brainwaves. That robot then lets you move things while you dream
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      Quote Originally Posted by Raipat View Post
      I can imagine a way to move things in the real world from a dream: put electrodes on your head, connect a BCI machine to control a robot with your dreaming brainwaves. That robot then lets you move things while you dream
      I want one.

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      In my own experience I've had very odd encounters with clouds. I'm not saying I can move or shape clouds but I've had lots and lots and lots of coincidences happen with things as such that I'm not comfortable speaking about publicly.lol maybe it's somthing else around me or that allows it. there's something to think about. I can say a couple of times other then like calling a higher source I'm not going to get into. like doing a rain dance so to speak but tottaly different. That's a different story. But I had a big coincidence like, you know when your in a lucid dream and you look to the sky and by expectations and belief you can will the clouds or sky to do things or anything in the dream realm for that matter, (I just think the clouds would are easer cuz there ever changing in reality too.). Or if its so cloudy you want to wipe away some clouds with a hand gesture to see some blue sky, well I kind of seen such happenings in real life. Very weird stuff I've seen. Or just coincidence right.lol ya right. There's how maybe I'm not the only one try it and get back to me ide love to meet others. And yes I think it's quite possible. try it out Ihope this helps and pls help me find others that can co this too. The sun and the moon helps too tthat's a hint sometimes all I have to do is be outside in the sun or moonlight and the clouds start braking up around me with out me doin anything this mainly happens every time I first wake up I go out side its over cast but it starts to break away. Coincidence I think not. And prayer to god or higher source which is in all of us. and to have good in your heart but not that and or faith alone is key. But that's more complex conversation.
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      I think you might be on to somthing in the ghost level. I have an open mined.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamenaider View Post
      In my own experience I've had very odd encounters with clouds. I'm not saying I can move or shape clouds but I've had lots and lots and lots of coincidences happen with things as such that I'm not comfortable speaking about publicly.lol maybe it's somthing else around me or that allows it. there's something to think about. I can say a couple of times other then like calling a higher source I'm not going to get into. like doing a rain dance so to speak but tottaly different. That's a different story. But I had a big coincidence like, you know when your in a lucid dream and you look to the sky and by expectations and belief you can will the clouds or sky to do things or anything in the dream realm for that matter, (I just think the clouds would are easer cuz there ever changing in reality too.). Or if its so cloudy you want to wipe away some clouds with a hand gesture to see some blue sky, well I kind of seen such happenings in real life. Very weird stuff I've seen. Or just coincidence right.lol ya right. There's how maybe I'm not the only one try it and get back to me ide love to meet others. And yes I think it's quite possible. try it out Ihope this helps and pls help me find others that can co this too. The sun and the moon helps too tthat's a hint. And prayer to god or higher source which is in all of us. and to have good in your heart but not that and or faith alone is key. But that's more complex conversation.
      Haha I won't be so reserved. There is a thing called "cloud busting" where you focus on a particular cloud in the sky, place the intent for the cloud to dissolve, and then concentrate on that one cloud with your intent in mind. I probably have a 90% success rate of the cloud of my choice dissolving after maybe 3-5 minutes of intense focus, while the other clouds in the same vicinity remain, although sometimes the dissolution spreads slightly beyond my target cloud, particularly when a lot of clouds are close together or connected, although it is always concentrated in the area of my focus. I stopped cloud busting once I did it enough times to be sure of the validity of the phenomenon. One of my friends that I told about this who showed enough interest to try it himself had success with it as well. Of course, this has little to do with OBE, so it is fairly off topic, but since you brought up clouds, why not.
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      Quote Originally Posted by VinceField View Post
      Haha I won't be so reserved. There is a thing called "cloud busting" where you focus on a particular cloud in the sky, place the intent for the cloud to dissolve, and then concentrate on that one cloud with your intent in mind.
      YESSS..
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      This is what Danon taught me back in the Old DV days.. It works 90% of the time. Sometimes I can move entire weathers. Or rather, my mind moves with the weather.. I don't know, the strangest thing is when the sun or moon comes through the clouds at extraordinary times. Or aliens.

      It doesn't work so well since the air pollution has increased here.

      Quote Originally Posted by dreamenaider View Post
      In my own experience I've had very odd encounters with clouds. I'm not saying I can move or shape clouds but I've had lots and lots and lots of coincidences happen with things as such that I'm not comfortable speaking about publicly.lol maybe it's somthing else around me or that allows it. there's something to think about. I can say a couple of times other then like calling a higher source I'm not going to get into. like doing a rain dance so to speak but tottaly different. That's a different story. But I had a big coincidence like, you know when your in a lucid dream and you look to the sky and by expectations and belief you can will the clouds or sky to do things or anything in the dream realm for that matter, (I just think the clouds would are easer cuz there ever changing in reality too.). Or if its so cloudy you want to wipe away some clouds with a hand gesture to see some blue sky, well I kind of seen such happenings in real life. Very weird stuff I've seen. Or just coincidence right.lol ya right. There's how maybe I'm not the only one try it and get back to me ide love to meet others. And yes I think it's quite possible. try it out Ihope this helps and pls help me find others that can co this too. The sun and the moon helps too tthat's a hint. And prayer to god or higher source which is in all of us. and to have good in your heart but not that and or faith alone is key. But that's more complex conversation.
      Well put. Informative description. I guess I know vaguely what you mean with having good in your heart. And dancing with gods.
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      Also with the sun and moon sometimes all I have to do is be outside in the sun or moonlight and the clouds start braking up around me with out me doin anything this mainly happens every time I first wake up I go out side its over cast but it starts to break away. I have also not just busted clouds but shaped them as well. I think I have even seen other beings take form in the clouds and tried to punch the sun out. But they were not successful. Ya that's not all I've seen ether. Sorry if I did go off topic but the clouds are something you can move around in reall life. I think it is easier with the sky cuz its ever changing like how dreams are. But if you look at it so is the earth after longer time. Thank you all you made my day now I know I'm not crazy.lol
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      Hi everyone!
      Well, I stumbled upon this phenomenon just a while ago - there is a guy out there doing all this stuff with clouds, wind, sun etch and I think that his videos are quite convincing (impressive and most likely unedited) - he made me really consider whether moving things in real life with mind alone might in fact be possible...
      Accurate cloud targeting - dissolving
      Moving the wind and starting rain...
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      I might make a new thread on this stuff I am feeling a bit more comfortable talking about it with open minded people like you all. I might even share some of my experiences. Thank you for that resource of videos I've been looking for ever for stuff like that after what I've seen.
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      Quote Originally Posted by hawk1sr View Post
      during an OBE is it possible to move items the in physical world. if so to what extent and how can this be mastered? if its possible could people use this power for money/helping people?
      I think it is possible for an astral body to move physical matter. I think to start, you need to be able to OBE at will. I wish I could. Telekinesis while awake seems easier.

      I have a relative that is electrokinetic. I've also done cloudbusting, and it's a lot easier than I thought it would be. I've tried to make street lamps go bright like my cousin, but I have never been able to do it. I think I can make them go out sometimes, but I'm not sure.
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      Right on more people who has tried that kind of stuff at least I know there are others out there and the possibility is growing in others eyes as well. Keep trying if you dedicate your self enough on somthing I believe almost anything is possible. Shoot for the stars the sky may be the limit but I like to go above and beyond. Lol

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      real electrokinesis I know this is not bullshit, because I know the person doing it. She's a distant cousin.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      real electrokinesis I know this is not bullshit, because I know the person doing it. She's a distant cousin.
      I think this is not electrokinesis. I played this way too. Some types of lamp need to cool down to start to shine again after stopping working... They stop to shine if, for example, something shines on light sensor. One need only to wait a short time for lamp to cool down and restart.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      I think this is not electrokinesis. I played this way too. Some types of lamp need to cool down to start to shine again after stopping working... They stop to shine if, for example, something shines on light sensor. One need only to wait a short time for lamp to cool down and restart.
      What's your theory on how she's making the first lamp bright?

      What's your theory on how she makes the first lamp dimmer?

      What's your theory on how she turns the second one on?

      What's your theory on how she turns the second one off?
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      If I were to put in a skeptical hypothesis, it would be that she either knows or subconsciously is aware of the timing of the lights as they overheat or switch back on. I don't actually have any skin in this game, though, so I'm not actively disputing your point.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Samael View Post
      If I were to put in a skeptical hypothesis, it would be that she either knows or subconsciously is aware of the timing of the lights as they overheat or switch back on. I don't actually have any skin in this game, though, so I'm not actively disputing your point.
      still doesn't explain her making them brighter/dimmer. street lamps have no dimmer switches.
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