Thread: Shared Dream Experiment?

Stop guessing how people feel. You might have good intentions but your also being rude.

RealityShifter, I'm somewhat incapable of anger. Anyone who read my posts can tell I been very courteous with you, more than necessary considering you outright called my deeply personal actual experiences with my SO illusory. I would advice you not to be condescending, to me or anyone else. There is obviously a language barrier too. Though I'm Asian, I primarily speak English. Please understand that whatever knowledge you gained via dreaming or deep meditation, that's not how dream state works as a whole. It will be healthy not to get a god complex. Contrary to what you are implying... dreaming whether lucid, non-lucid, or even shared dreaming doesn't fall in line with your laws or theories. You failed to even touch why you think lucidity and shared dreaming aren't exclusive. I have some questions for you... what do you think shared dreaming actually is? I have to hear your definition of it since you are adamant it's impossible without lucidity. Have you researched shared dreaming in detail? and most importantly have you even experienced shared dreaming first hand? As it is there is very little scientific research done into shared dreaming. However, there are various accounts of shared dreaming, not all lucid. Then there are accounts of people like me who have experienced both non-lucid and lucid shared dreaming with their significant other. Right now personal experiences and experiences of others is all we have.

The location here acts as an common link for us to connect, sure it's a mental image, but it's more specific than a bar, cafe, a room etc. Of course, in order for shared dreaming to even be a thing we have to assume there is a non-physical connection. That's where scientific research gets a bit skittish. It would have to look outside the physical world and natural laws. So, if shared dreaming can be experimented at all it will have to depend on individual people who are at least willing to entertain the idea of such a possibility.

Hi, so I might be interested in trying this shared dreaming stuff. Not to be like RealityShifter, but when I first read this I admit I thought it silly. I don't understand how you could really share a dream. Has it been tested, like you meet in a shared dream, tell them a combination and they call you into he morning and tell you the combination? BC if that were true I would believe in shared dreaming. But perhaps you guys could explain it to me. Thanks!

So I have a question, the other night i had a Dream about my Family, Mom pulled me aside and was trying not too make someone else jealous, and i was annoyed with her. i don't Think anyone else would understand it. But the next day i called my sister and there was some issue they were hiding from me, nothing big but i just wish they would have called me. and of course i was annoyed. Speaking with my sister i had exactly the same feeling as i had in the Dream, and basically a Dejuvu moment. What would you call a dream like this ??

Originally Posted by Durza

Hi, so I might be interested in trying this shared dreaming stuff. Not to follow in the footsteps of RealityShifter, but when I first read this I admit I thought it silly. I don't understand how you could really share a dream. Has it been tested, like you meet in a shared dream, tell them a combination and they call you into he morning and tell you the combination? BC if that were true I would believe in shared dreaming. But perhaps you guys could explain it to me. Thanks!

It's okay. Its been tested before but hasn't been scientifically proven yet. That doesn't mean that there hasn't been experiences though. But when your testing it out for yourself it is important to also take into account other possible influences. Were trying to avoid false results.The combination example is one way to go about testing it out. Our goal is to see if we could have the same dream with each other so seeing if unknown information was exchanged is important.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

So I have a question, the other night i had a Dream about my Family, Mom pulled me aside and was trying not too make someone else jealous, and i was annoyed with her. i don't Think anyone else would understand it. But the next day i called my sister and there was some issue they were hiding from me, nothing big but i just wish they would have called me. and of course i was annoyed. Speaking with my sister i had exactly the same feeling as i had in the Dream, and basically a Dejuvu moment. What would you call a dream like this ??

Hmm, I'm not sure. But maybe you subtly had clues through their actions or what they said before. If not than do you think the dream shared their emotions somehow? Some people also believe in precognitive dreams(dreams that predict future) but I honestly don't know why you had the dream or what you would call it.

Okay, I'd be interested in trying it. What should I do? Do you mean that for example you want to have a dream that I am present in and I have a dream that you are in? What's the best way to go about that, and how would we recognize each other since we don't' know what the other person looks like?

Lucid Bunnie I don't Think reality shifter was talking about your so doubt he knows about that, I Think he was refering too Incubating Dreams in Daytime, which is why he said Daydreaming.

Too me Reality shifter sounds intrigued and fascinated by this Project, he is only pointing out eventuell problems we might meet up with. and also he is asking about boundaries, settings and what we were trying too accomplish, and how we were going too solve them. Too me Lucid or non Lucid doesn't seem a problem because you could still pick up symbols and whatnot probably even easier when not Lucid as not to be creating them yourself. But saying only Lucid Dreams Count could set a strong boundary for a test primeter.
I did learn some Bulgarian and they sometimes speak backwards

But from what I understood this Experiment wasn't specifically designed it has a more agile quality, and progresses with time and actual results.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

Lucid Bunnie I don't Think reality shifter was talking about your so doubt he knows about that, I Think he was refering too Incubating Dreams in Daytime, which is why he said Daydreaming.

Too me Reality shifter sounds intrigued and fascinated by this Project, he is only pointing out eventuell problems we might meet up with. and also he is asking about boundaries, settings and what we were trying too accomplish, and how we were going too solve them. Too me Lucid or non Lucid doesn't seem a problem because you could still pick up symbols and whatnot probably even easier when not Lucid as not to be creating them yourself. But saying only Lucid Dreams Count could set a strong boundary for a test primeter.
I did learn some Bulgarian and they sometimes speak backwards

But from what I understood this Experiment wasn't specifically designed it has a more agile quality, and progresses with time and actual results.

Actually I'm happy you are defending him at some level, but a bit troubled you misunderstood the flow of the thread.

If you follow this thread carefully you'll see he was saying my experiences with shared dreams were impossible quite early on. He clearly says that I was daydreaming about having shared dream experiences. He had also been condescending towards me and others. The bold claims of his I brought up was bits from another thread where he mentions his sleep cycle defying feats. I brought it up to light so he can weigh that before selectively labeling some things impossible.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

I am trying mostly when lucid, but also incubating. However, I'd have to disagree and I don't like disagreeing. Vast majority of recorded shared dreaming experiences are not lucid dreams. In fact, going by personal experiences I have had quite a bit of shared dream experiences with my SO while we were both non-lucid.

Lucidbunnie daydreaming is good, but what is impossible is impossible. You don't have any solid evidence about it. Don't hate me, but I just can't get your word for granted.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

Alright, so my actual experiences with shared dreaming with my SO is daydreaming... thanks for your insight. if you will hear me out I have an advice for you, I would like you tread lightly on what you consider impossible. You might ultimately end up limiting yourself with that mentality. ^^

Shared dreaming while non-lucid is just an illusion, if you think a little about it, you will understand.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I'm just trying to help you so don't get angry. Be calm and repeat "I'm one with myself, I'm one with the universe" and breath, breath.

Most of it was just plain uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Durza

Okay, I'd be interested in trying it. What should I do? Do you mean that for example you want to have a dream that I am present in and I have a dream that you are in? What's the best way to go about that, and how would we recognize each other since we don't' know what the other person looks like?

Yeah. Not knowing much of anything about a person could pose a problem. When it comes to looks, i prefer to figure it out through the shared dream if possible but there is also the option of telling eachother about ourselves in pm. Also, when it comes to dreams there is a possibility that form could change. So perhaps form doesn't really matter, when compared to getting the attention of the dreamer you want to come in contact with

Originally Posted by oneironautics

Lucid Bunnie I don't Think reality shifter was talking about your so doubt he knows about that, I Think he was refering too Incubating Dreams in Daytime, which is why he said Daydreaming.

Too me Reality shifter sounds intrigued and fascinated by this Project, he is only pointing out eventuell problems we might meet up with. and also he is asking about boundaries, settings and what we were trying too accomplish, and how we were going too solve them. Too me Lucid or non Lucid doesn't seem a problem because you could still pick up symbols and whatnot probably even easier when not Lucid as not to be creating them yourself. But saying only Lucid Dreams Count could set a strong boundary for a test primeter.
I did learn some Bulgarian and they sometimes speak backwards

But from what I understood this Experiment wasn't specifically designed it has a more agile quality, and progresses with time and actual results.

I appreciate that RealityShifter is interested as well but he did go over the top at times.I agree with you on the non lucid and lucid thing. Your right that this experiment isn't designed in a more efficient manner but its because we don't know specifically how it works. You could compare it to learning how to master a move for a sport or dance. You take what you already know, practice and as you progress and get those realization moments, you build up your knowledge and keep practicing, till it feels natural.

Okay, I think I understand. So at night, I need to try and incubate a dream at the Gokundugona or whatever palace and try to find one of you guys by the gate, and learn something from you I didn't know before. And if I tell you what you look like the theory is proved or something like that? Is the experiment designed to prove that either you dreams are all in your head and you can't meet other dreamers and all that, or you can, and if, for instance, I do the combination, it proves it is possible? If it is possible, then could RealityShifter be wrong and it could happen when you are daydreaming during the day, because if you have the symptoms of sleep then you can travel and meet other dreamers?

Originally Posted by Durza

Okay, I think I understand. So at night, I need to try and incubate a dream at the Gokundugona or whatever palace and try to find one of you guys by the gate, and learn something from you I didn't know before. And if I tell you what you look like the theory is proved or something like that? Is the experiment designed to prove that either you dreams are all in your head and you can't meet other dreamers and all that, or you can, and if, for instance, I do the combination, it proves it is possible? If it is possible, then could RealityShifter be wrong and it could happen when you are daydreaming during the day, because if you have the symptoms of sleep then you can travel and meet other dreamers?

:3 Hehe yeah. Its a step toward proof. The goal is not to prove one or the other.We just want to see whether it is possible or not for ourselves. If you are able to transfer that combination # to another through a dream, i'd say it was possible proof or they just won the dream lottery. If share dreaming is possible than perhaps connecting while daydreaming is but i really don't know.

Originally Posted by lucidbunnie

RealityShifter, I'm somewhat incapable of anger. Anyone who read my posts can tell I been very courteous with you, more than necessary considering you outright called my deeply personal actual experiences with my SO illusory. I would advice you not to be condescending, to me or anyone else. There is obviously a language barrier too. Though I'm Asian, I primarily speak English. Please understand that whatever knowledge you gained via dreaming or deep meditation, that's not how dream state works as a whole. It will be healthy not to get a god complex. Contrary to what you are implying... dreaming whether lucid, non-lucid, or even shared dreaming doesn't fall in line with your laws or theories. You failed to even touch why you think lucidity and shared dreaming aren't exclusive. I have some questions for you... what do you think shared dreaming actually is? I have to hear your definition of it since you are adamant it's impossible without lucidity. Have you researched shared dreaming in detail? and most importantly have you even experienced shared dreaming first hand? As it is there is very little scientific research done into shared dreaming. However, there are various accounts of shared dreaming, not all lucid. Then there are accounts of people like me who have experienced both non-lucid and lucid shared dreaming with their significant other. Right now personal experiences and experiences of others is all we have.

The location here acts as an common link for us to connect, sure it's a mental image, but it's more specific than a bar, cafe, a room etc. Of course, in order for shared dreaming to even be a thing we have to assume there is a non-physical connection. That's where scientific research gets a bit skittish. It would have to look outside the physical world and natural laws. So, if shared dreaming can be experimented at all it will have to depend on individual people who are at least willing to entertain the idea of such a possibility.

I am amazed how you wrote so many words without saying anything meaningful. Such a waste I also tried to be polite with you, but if my help is unwanted, then so be it. And yes I don't think you had a single non-lucid SD experience in your life. 2 + 2 cant be equal to 5, so is impossible. My definition of SD is very simple actually: Two lucid dreamers with 'full' control(that include knowing who are you in the dream aka remembering your life), sharing one dreamscape!

In non-lucid dream most of the time you have false memory and you can be easily manipulated. If your dream say that you have a brother, you will genuinely believing in this, but it is just an illusion. So in non-lucid you cant be certain of anything.

Sageous,Gabi-tan if you have something to say, just say it, don't be shy.

p.s. I don't have a god complex, but I will become a God you should remember it well!

@ reality shifter , gees what are you 12 pulling Girls ponytails grow up and learn some respect, if you talk nasty with people you will probably get booted and again have no one to discus shared dreaming with. This isn't your Dream World were you are god , your just some punk on internet .

by the way if you read greek mythology, you will notice that morpheus Dream oneiroi visited humans in there Dreams by first entering 1 of 2 gates ,, 1 was for false Dreams and the other was for real ones. Implying that some Dreams are more real then others not neccesarily defined by there lucidity level.
Maybe Before attempting to decided what is real and not with dreaming do some actual research. ask Zorya for guidance Before she releases simargl on you.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I think you do a big mistake with the settings. If you really want to have a chance of meeting together, think about smaller meeting place. Like a Bar, Coffee, Mcdonalds and especially a Room. There are also other things I am trying to solve right now about SD, more on theoretical side. So you are not alone in this.

Edit: There is one more thing I noticed " I dont think i focused enough on it even though i did try", are you trying to do a remote viewing, because that just feel wrong.

Edit2: I hope you all doing the experiment while lucid right??? Because without lucidity SD is impossible!

Edit3: If you read my second golden law, you will understand that trying to visit the "place" is absurd.

I've been thinking about this and it's true that a bar is smaller and less wide open than the gate entrance. But it isn't so bad either. We could probably establish a better connection with eachother, thinking of the palace than thinking of mcdonalds or a coffee place too. Its also possible our memories or thoughts of the place could create many distractions while we are there.

I wouldn't say it was remote viewing. I put focus to the other members of the group and our meeting place but not through obe. I also wrote that cause i was hoping for at least a non lucid shared dream related to the palace which did not happen.

Lucid dreaming would help and i'am unsure of which to give more attention at certain times. Maybe I'm slacking somewhat cause of this. Its not impossible for non lucids though.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

@ reality shifter , gees what are you 12 pulling Girls ponytails grow up and learn some respect, if you talk nasty with people you will probably get booted and again have no one to discus shared dreaming with. This isn't your Dream World were you are god , your just some punk on internet .

Calling someone 'punk' is not very polite, so learn some respect first 'kozo', then answer me. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I am amazed how you wrote so many words without saying anything meaningful. Such a waste I also tried to be polite with you, but if my help is unwanted, then so be it. And yes I don't think you had a single non-lucid SD experience in your life. 2 + 2 cant be equal to 5, so is impossible. My definition of SD is very simple actually: Two lucid dreamers with 'full' control(that include knowing who are you in the dream aka remembering your life), sharing one dreamscape!

In non-lucid dream most of the time you have false memory and you can be easily manipulated. If your dream say that you have a brother, you will genuinely believing in this, but it is just an illusion. So in non-lucid you cant be certain of anything.

Sageous,Gabi-tan if you have something to say, just say it, don't be shy.

p.s. I don't have a god complex, but I will become a God you should remember it well!

The purpose is not to see whether or not if you remember having a brother or not. It's to see if the dreams match up. It is true that false memories can pose a distraction, however that doesn't mean you can't come into contact with another dreamer or something associated with them, if its possible.

Also, don't compare apples to oranges by bringing up 2+2 cant equal to 5. If you think that the connection happens after both become fully lucid, than that is your opinion. But dont push your opinions on others like your word is law.

Hm..i think you mean "if i do". "But i will" become a God sounds like you have a god complex.

Btw, if you want respect, than you might have to think about how you write first.

"Calling someone 'punk' is not very polite, so learn some respect first 'kozo', then answer me. Sheesh. "

You've probably learned about lucid dreaming from Matrix Movie the "blue pill or the red pill" Like as if the only importance too dreaming is becoming lucid, theres alot more too dreaming then that, if you could understand what your subconcious throws at you, you would probably have more success.
sushi?

@ Dawn you were right this topic , is needed too be discussed. Even the Word, shared dreaming stirs up unimaginable emotions
But seeing as Dream Sharing as an experiment is a sensitive issue for some dreamers, having a open DJ etc. Do you Think it is possible too have a new thread only for people participating like changing the settings to private ?

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I am amazed how you wrote so many words without saying anything meaningful. Such a waste I also tried to be polite with you, but if my help is unwanted, then so be it. And yes I don't think you had a single non-lucid SD experience in your life. 2 + 2 cant be equal to 5, so is impossible. My definition of SD is very simple actually: Two lucid dreamers with 'full' control(that include knowing who are you in the dream aka remembering your life), sharing one dreamscape!

In non-lucid dream most of the time you have false memory and you can be easily manipulated. If your dream say that you have a brother, you will genuinely believing in this, but it is just an illusion. So in non-lucid you cant be certain of anything.

p.s. I don't have a god complex, but I will become a God you should remember it well!

@RealityShifter + Everyone Its fine if you have your own opinion on Dream Sharing but you don't need to keep trying to force it on others. Everyone here realizes that you believe its impossible to share dreams without lucidity and a few other things, that's okay. I prefer keeping an open mind, because if you believe you can't, then its almost certain you won't be able to. People calling each other names and proclaiming the other person to be wrong is very unlikely to change anyone's opinion and only causes problems, so I think that its just best to either just do what Oneironautics said and create a private thread, or talk about it civilly and not criticize others opinions but provide proof/reason as to why you disagree. If I say, "killer bees are dangerous" you will likely leave them alone, but if I tell you why, "eg.. they attack in a swarm and will sting most anything to death," then you will be much more likely to leave them alone, as I have provided a reason. Just my thoughts, if everyone does this, hopefully we can discuss and logically iron out our ideas to get a better understanding of shared dreaming, rather than insult each other and accomplish nothing.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

"Calling someone 'punk' is not very polite, so learn some respect first 'kozo', then answer me. Sheesh. "

You've probably learned about lucid dreaming from Matrix Movie the "blue pill or the red pill" Like as if the only importance too dreaming is becoming lucid, theres alot more too dreaming then that, if you could understand what your subconcious throws at you, you would probably have more success.
sushi?

I had lucid dreams when you still walked upright under the table. So don't get too cocky!

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

The purpose is not to see whether or not if you remember having a brother or not. It's to see if the dreams match up. It is true that false memories can pose a distraction, however that doesn't mean you can't come into contact with another dreamer or something associated with them, if its possible.

Also, don't compare apples to oranges by bringing up 2+2 cant equal to 5. If you think that the connection happens after both become fully lucid, than that is your opinion. But dont push your opinions on others like your word is law.

Hm..i think you mean "if i do". "But i will" become a God sounds like you have a god complex.

Btw, if you want respect, than you might have to think about how you write first.

Pushing my opinions on them as law and others pushing their opinion on me as law. It's pointless.
Then I have a God complex (it's like brother/sister complex in anime )

But I really don't need their respect. I am not here about SD discussion (about what is possible and what is impossible). I am here solely because of u.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

@ Dawn you were right this topic , is needed too be discussed. Even the Word, shared dreaming stirs up unimaginable emotions
But seeing as Dream Sharing as an experiment is a sensitive issue for some dreamers, having a open DJ etc. Do you Think it is possible too have a new thread only for people participating like changing the settings to private ?

I don't think its possible to change it to private. It would be helpful but don't worry. Just don't take what he said seriously.Its not worth it. There are worse nay sayers out there.

Originally Posted by Durza

@RealityShifter + Everyone Its fine if you have your own opinion on Dream Sharing but you don't need to keep trying to force it on others. Everyone here realizes that you believe its impossible to share dreams without lucidity and a few other things, that's okay. I prefer keeping an open mind, because if you believe you can't, then its almost certain you won't be able to. People calling each other names and proclaiming the other person to be wrong is very unlikely to change anyone's opinion and only causes problems, so I think that its just best to either just do what Oneironautics said and create a private thread, or talk about it civilly and not criticize others opinions but provide proof/reason as to why you disagree. If I say, "killer bees are dangerous" you will likely leave them alone, but if I tell you why, "eg.. they attack in a swarm and will sting most anything to death," then you will be much more likely to leave them alone, as I have provided a reason. Just my thoughts, if everyone does this, hopefully we can discuss and logically iron out our ideas to get a better understanding of shared dreaming, rather than insult each other and accomplish nothing.

I totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

Pushing my opinions on you as law and pushing your opinion on me as law. It's pointless.
Then I have a God complex (it's like brother/sister complex in anime )

But I really don't need their respect. I am not here about SD discussion (about what is possible and what is impossible). I am here solely because of u.

I wasn't pushing my opinion on you as law but okay. Perhaps you ran out of things to say. Goodluck with your complex.

Hmm...You don't need it but you need to show it. Really? Your here for me? If your here for me than you need to think about what you write more. If not I'm just going to ignore you and so will everyone else. Btw, I liked your last post because I want you to know there is no reason to oppose anyone anymore. Its best to stick to what is meaningful and actually helps like mentioned. You can still help but if you say something offensive were going to have to use some Mob(the anime) moves on you. Itll probably cure you of your god complex too. If not you'll just become a low level spirit.(Just some comedy to cool off this thread. Sorry if its cheezy guys)

Wow, a lot has happened on this thread since my last post a few days ago .

I suppose I could have linked my most recent dream about the palace, but once again I didn't feel like I accomplished much. Link

This experiment will be my lucid dream goals for a while ahead, but I think I need to do more than just go to the palace. Next time I can get there lucidly I will try to put my sign there or talk to someone there, as it seems there are always people there.

Originally Posted by Durza

Okay, I think I understand. So at night, I need to try and incubate a dream at the Gokundugona or whatever palace and try to find one of you guys by the gate, and learn something from you I didn't know before. And if I tell you what you look like the theory is proved or something like that? Is the experiment designed to prove that either you dreams are all in your head and you can't meet other dreamers and all that, or you can, and if, for instance, I do the combination, it proves it is possible? If it is possible, then could RealityShifter be wrong and it could happen when you are daydreaming during the day, because if you have the symptoms of sleep then you can travel and meet other dreamers?

Hehe, yeah I put a map and some pictures of it earlier in this thread if you want to get a good idea of what Gyeongbokgung palace is like. I guess the theory is that if we all agree to meet at the same place and visit it in our dreams we might establish a connection to each other that way. I do think it is harder to have a connection since we don't really know each other. I think that is one reason why we are doing oneironautics' idea of choosing a symbol/sign of some sort (for example an animal, plant, drawn symbol, pretty much anything). This way if our chosen sign pops up in someone's dream we can verify some sort of connection, or, even better, if we meet each other in the dream we will talk about our symbol and then that person can check back on this forum to make sure it was a legitimate shared dream.

Edit - I was thinking about the funny spelling and I just wanted to say that there is no right or wrong way to spell 경복궁 palace in English as it isn't English. Personally I don't like the way they spell some words in English. To give you an idea of how it is pronounced it is gyung (as in young with a g/k mix sound before it) bok (like poke but with a b/p mix sound instead of a p) gung (like goo-ng). I would probably spell it Gyungbokgung, but I just went with how most people translate it.