When you removed what obsured your sight, maybe you remembered that scouting or searching, maybe in your adventurous goals of the *development of self-reliance and usefulness to others, or character development*, did it. *[taken from meaning of scout]*
B☻nus free dream interpretati☺n! Camping is out of the way, away from your normal self and routine, and conveniences. So maybe you found youself 'in the woods' or trouble or somewhat lost. So you had to troubleshoot something you applied perhaps to your personal movement, that was not functioning properly. So perhaps if you wanted it to be different with your family, you had to aspire to grow in a different way.
Of course! I should have thought of the song, given how the Beattles are important to me, but I forgot. Or rather conscious me forgot, I bet subconsciously I didn't miss that beat. Thanks for the reminder!
"Octopus's Garden" is a song by the Beatles written by Ringo Starr from their 1969 album Abbey Road. (Joanna at left, not quite woken up yet.) I have read another dream or two with octopiiiiiiii, and someone mentioned tentacles are like something grabbing onto you and they have those suckers. Yes, and that's not all that can happen if you keep one as a pet. This one was not only great at escaping:
Your last sentence really nailed it down: "I guess you have to deal with self-control first, before control with others." That is exactly where I am at right now. I am focusing yet again on self control before I can expand any of that control to others. I had not gotten the cake store scene before, but you are right, thank you! I had not noticed that something more serious was going on inside me, and I am indeed trying to break into myself through my self improvement / spiritual growth efforts, which I had let slide and abandoned focusing on less serious things instead. I did not at first realize that, but then I did. Interestingly I live this dream from a teenaged boy perspective, one could say that it is from the perspective of myself that is rather clueless, rebellious, immature: in other words from the perspective which was in charge of my lack of spiritual growth for the last three months. In the dream with my mother, stepfather, and stepfather's brother, and my non existant brother (who by the way is also a young male - perhaps he is not present in this dream because he got arrested for stealing cake in the previous dream ): what makes my interpreting this dream tougher, is that I have complex relationships, and stereotypical limited perspective on my stepfather's brother - maybe I should have mentioned that in real life I do not know him well enough, but from the little I know I do not like the man. Furthermore, my stepfather as any "in control" over me, while possible, but it is a stretch from real life: I never accepted that he had any control over me. In real life after the divorce I staid with my father, not my mother and stepfather, and for years I would not even call him my stepfather but rather "my mother's second husband". Nowadays though we get along much better, and he was the one who helped my older son learn how to ride a bike, and I trusted him with that. I am no longer as angry with him nor with my mother as I was after the divorce over 20 years ago. Still if I were to list the number of people who have authority over me, my stepfather would not be among them. Though a stepfather usually would be. Not sure whether that changes anything in the interpretation. Not that the interpretation did not sound right, because it did, but the perceptions of the key players ought to make a difference in my mind, I figure.
One response to the "trusting your spirit" section: I am very much a rebel at heart. I question authority, and get all riled up over ideas which tell me what to do. Even if those ideas come from myself, or from God. I will challenge them and look for a different way of understanding, my own way I guess. I need to fight ideas before I integrate them, and so even if they are very good ideas, I am unlikely to accept them without a fight.
Thank you so much for these dream interpretations, Superman1, truly appreciate them. Ha, I had not noticed how the octopus was like the mop, funny that. And yes, I do appear to have retrieved the new thing I have been toying with, and it is time to toy some more with those ideas. Once the mess is cleaned out, it is time to grow something new in the garden, though I have never been good at gardening, better at aquariums - maybe that's where the octopus idea comes from. Though an octopus is very difficult to have as a pet, given that it is predatory and extremely intelligent, and good at escaping.
I didn't think the monster was that, Joanna. Though maybe a very new thing became it, certainly which was like it wasn't real, as a toy is. But a different kind of monster than your old self rejecting the new. Here is what I possibly got:. YOUR INNER GARDEN In your inner garden where you enjoy growing - maybe with others (because it's a party) - you were toying with something, or maybe also was very new, and had got into potential tentacles in your reality, up from the depths of consciousness perhaps. But also it was a pet, that belonged to others - so you loved it. Or had. But wasn't yours. Only your more learned self could get you out of it (funny how a mop has sort of tentacles, but are opposite in function, so perfect for opposing them), and perhaps two to clean up the teamwork again. Unless two aspects of this part of you, but I can't see why. You thought you should already be able to clean this up, and not have to bother so much. But you knew it was harmless, or now. You retrieved the new thing you were playing with, got control of it - that may have seemed childlike, or undeveloped - and that cleaned the monstrous mess up. AROUND THE WORLD in Eighty Ways - or 8 Legs - 20,000 Leagues - or legs - Above the SeA First I thought then maybe you saw the world, or your world, and returned with a broader mind and experience. Now you were free to travel the world, perhaps, within. The mission of self-learning, that didn't matter to others? But it seems almost a returning to yourself after going all the way round in a huge circle almost, as well. But I think it is what you said. After cleaning this up, it all hit you that you felt like you had been round the world for nothing. Returning to your growth, maybe with others, now cleared, you recognized yourself again. Back to familiar territory. Yes, how long before you wake up fully, it seems. Maybe you still sounded strange to yourself, or carried the odd influence from that previous monster which would only make sense if going round the world meant that.
This is an interesting dream in that it addresses the issue of when moving from old to new, how much of the old to keep. It goes from one ridiculous extreme (keeping previous homeowner's teenaged son ) to the other extreme - where one does not get to keep anything, even stuff one expected to be able to keep (even the neighbors shall move). As I work toward moving into my new personality, I need to establish where on that scale I shall fall: how much do I change and how much do I keep. Both the previous owner and the character I identify with in this dream are me.
Here's my view on this: Of course I can be wrong anywhere, as usual. Though I might sound sure, it is just what I see as likely. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THINKING FOR YOURSELF Looks like in the start of your learning you wanted to apply, you were messy, til you realized after you should have been more careful because it mattered more to you. Your better self in charge of this later pulled yourself up about it, and you realized it was before you knew what you were doing and you were better at it now. Though you knew you didn't have to think or have an opinion beyond your task, you felt you were able to. To think for yourself I guess. THE SPIRITUAL LEARNING It seems being established in this learning or knowledge was mysterious to you. Jin represented the part in you that you needed to work with, which as yet was not anything in this area. You probably did not realize in the dream she was a real co-worker because you did not recognise this part of you fully yet. TRUSTING Your SPirit This part was up to something, and you trusted yourself coming from this part of you. Different sections of your Spirituality were encoded maybe in emotions or states of being (you may have seen my magic shrooms dream answer, which may correspond in colors). But it felt like it went against the supposed order, of how things should be, undermining the supposed authority in you. Sounding like your resistence against coming into your own power, and overthrowing the undesirable power. You were glad your exotic Self believed in you. A NEW YOU EMERGES As you left this Spiritual side, a new part of you had to form to follow it through, which wanted to get to know you better, as it does know you better. It was closely related to the spiritual from before, that would bridge that with you. But you were, at this point, just friends with that, and in a sense opposite, not the same, not as close as this other part of you which closely trusted your spirit. And that this spirit medium had nothing to worry about with you getting in the way or interfering I guess. And this medium you knew your Spirit trusted you as a friend, and that it's rare to be a friend of that area, so it wanted to get to know you. LOST WORK But you couldn't before applying better for this learning, as seen before, to be competent in your control of it. Maybe because it was too small, or just centred on you when Spirituality should not be, this place in you moved. Or maybe you just lost sight of it. So your Spirit self left and you sought for what you had attained so far. And maybe all you found was similar, or a facsimlie of it, but not the real right thing belonging to you.
BREAK AND ENTER IN YOURSELF (at 12:45) You wanted your rich young or new control to be born, and to be friends with it. Maybe you cheated to get that piece of cake that was too easy. The side of you working on this business was too busy! So the side that would nurture this, maybe, was being starved. DEEPER INSIDE When you saw the right, you saw something more serious deeper in you. So this could be you saw you were not doing the business - maybe that is why you couldn't see exactly what. Or you just didn't see clearly what was wrong. Maybe you tried to justify it, or correct it. That you had nothing to do with it - maybe that your inner disarrayed state was not intentional. WRONG WAY At first you didn't believe yourself, until you recognized how important your growth was. When you whined you didn't have the sweet fulfillment you quickly craved, you justified now having a piece of cake. But you knew how wrong it was to get it this way. You had to work at it. In reality you must love choc cake with icing the best!? UNDER CONTROL (5:30) Your control is underage - not fully grown. Again, inner justice intervened because you were separating from possibly nurturing your replacement control of your past strictness, I gather. Your mother may mean the nurturing you. Or the mature you which reflects well your step-father being new control. Or she can be the you without control. Which sort of amounts to the same. You have said you see yourself in your mother, despite the differences you see. So she may just mean you, but also how different you want to be - to you! ☺ So maybe the youngest part of your control was separated too. This was made worse, to your inner authority, because another part was left alone - perhaps the part wanting control in dealing with other people (a dog likes being with other people, is interdependent with them (and has to be trained)). So what should be with others was alone. While they stay in another part of you with the youngest control and your independence (a cat is opposite). ANGRY Meanwhile the main you is restricted? Or controlled somewhat? Because to what extent we are without control, we are controlled. So you were angry with yourself for separating from your control, which separated you in every which way. Instead of integrating all these parts of you. And the dream uses your parents divorce to symbolize that, and how angry this made you, like then. In fact you were so angry, you had not visited yourself! Not the part of control, or your part that was to join with it. Because they were off-limits to you now in this state. SELF-CORRECTION So you decided to correct this situation. You were late, but arrived at this huge old issue. Maybe only you could understand your independence. CAT PHONE - or GAINING INDEPENDENCE In what must be one of the most delightfully bizarre dream sequences, you managed to reroute your control into your new personal independence, so now it grew up and you could have independent control. (Notice your brother was 12 with the cat. Now your stepfather's brother is with the cat.) So your control spoke through your independence, connecting that which was distant. MEETING IT IN REALITY So, after connecting all this, you actually met with your mature control. But still young. Lean, looking good to you, but maybe still dark or largely unseen in your thought. Now your mother side was about to celebrate. Or your mature female side. But by the looks you were celebrating just yourself, or at least seeing a special occasion could come perhaps, not joining yet with the other side. Your control was recovering though, and you should have known that it was not time to let loose yet or celebrate it. But you hoped you could have joined with your new control and celebrate that. You would have liked that. LATER RESOLUTION Later your authority was okay with your separations before - maybe because you thought this using the catphone you had reconnected them all with! You didn't hold it against yourself, or didn't tell on yourself. So your young brother was not with you probably because he morphed into your Stepfather's brother. But maybe a new version was in the other part of you - the younger part again but here that wanted to be in charge with people - because that part still existed. I guess you have to deal with self-control first, before control with others.
BEING IN CHARGE WITH OTHERS Looks like you were working on the rules, or the right way, of working in a team, that was high profile or priority to you. Maybe wanting it to be rich, well known - maybe just to you - or it was well known to you, and successful, but you were not doing this yet. On your own, you tried to take charge of this. In this case, you had to meet with this new part of yourself, which could potentially mean connecting with it and joining up. In learning this, maybe you asked yourself why does a woman have to learn such a high profile or important rule or way of acting? Maybe the woman or female side of you couldn't answer, or your traditional female view But the part of you working on it answered, Not only is this part of you you are helping to happen to be celebrated and known in the business of teamwork [if sports does mean that], but is also crucial to your defense of governing yourself. REPLACING THE LESSER IDEA WITH THE BETTER ONE You have been learning to take charge on and off. Maybe separating from it sometimes. Thinking of the well-known part you want to know well, you wanted to engage this taking charge side when you meet and date the team idea - or increasingly join with it. Your in-charge side, who normally works alone I gather, was jealous of the better idea of working with a team, or with others. You were jealous of yourself sounds hilariously impossible. But it possibly means your selfish side was possessive of yourself, unwilling to share or sacrifice so much maybe, which can be the normal human reaction. Or just that you'll have close encounters with others, meaning your own control may have to take second place sometimes with the teamwork, or with the outside world and others. Then you realized you had hoped your in-charge of yourself self would be envious of the better in-charge with others self idea. So you wanted it to supersede just being in control regarding you. Maybe jealousy just means that. Yet your normal in-charge-of-you-self was too star struck with the much better and bigger idea to be much affected. It may have overwhelmed you a bit, and been daunting, or seemed too much to be true. * * * * * * * * * FRAGMENTS * * * * * * * * * CONTROL IN THE RELATIONSHIP Traditionally, Muslims can look down upon the female, giving her little control. But probably your friends are equals and I have just heard too much of the bad side. But Muslims are also very strict, or in control. The most strict of all probably. You wanted the partnership they represented to partake of your origins - the part there that restricted you. It's almost like you wanted the strict to partake of the more strict, But I probably have that wrong and the Muslim just means control. So you wanted the equal relationship where the female has as much control, or else control in the partnership because you are thinking of a couple now or your relationship. WIFE But maybe it was a sweetness whose real core was not being in control. But you took it before the warning got through. If this couple represents you being in control in your partnership, you risked that or stuffed it a bit. You wondered if you should tell yourself, or acknowledge that, but if you did it unknowingly, it surely wouldn't count as a blemish on your control. HUSBAND Maybe you wanted the genuine sweetness and specialty of being in control, in the relationship. So that your origin now tasted this. That's why he could not have the changed pierogi - that would put him out of control, and why your wife side had the last one. So he couldn't break the rule of being in control. I think the end means you decided to let this control side think he was in control - or you wanted it to be - which you were eager for. Or to let the sweet idea of having charge with your husband be the more nourishing idea. Or maybe to let the sweet not-so-good-for-you idea of not being in control become the more wholesome good-for-you idea of being in control. Or was gingerbread cookie your favorite of the two specialties? FRAGMENTED Maybe this last part, which was where the team action started or your thought of it, was fragmentary in your mind or you found it hard to believe still - daunting or seemingly a bit above you - or were not integrating it properly yet or hadn't done it yet.
CONTROL TAKING A BACK SEAT Your newer self you want to be was not driving, but being escorted in luxury might mean you wanted it to be rich, but maybe too easy? Your attention was on connecting with this attractive in-control side. Only when you exited this way of moving did you finally get a closer connection with it. You had begun to fear it was just a friendly idea I guess, rather than real merging. ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON YOUR NEW SELF Next your old self wants to kill that idea. You used your magic - which can be your power to change anything instantly, when required. Or to transform yourself, at least enough. So just a thought - which you believe and has effect. But maybe you were not sure how you managed it. Also you may have had the vague nagging thought this would happen, as you were on this path, so you predicted it, as you had a previous time. LOSS OF NEW CONTROL So now that old you became stronger and in charge, and now the bad idea was the strong or new you taking control, which the old you wanted to stop. You were furious at yourself this old part now took charge, and for you meddling that made that happen. You were caught or controlled by your old self which you thought would kill you or the new you. But your new in-charge side realized you would you just lose control. And become addicted in a sense to that, as long as you went this way. CAN'T MOVE At first you were unable to move, or think. No magic. Then maybe you wanted it to turn to sweet control, but you knew you were not in control here, and you did not care about being in control. Which I guess is what put you here in the last place. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COMPETITIONS I wouldn't say your mind is perverse during competitions, but that probably your stronger side comes out then, that wants to win, and maybe shows up a weakness, so it goes the other way to how you want or it should be. Perverse though is strictly true, in that it means the opposite to what should be. And maybe sometimes you don't want to win. It's the ol' human resistence routine.
Hey, it just occurred to me. I thought that baby monster died in that baby monster flood dream of mine, and that monster was orange and was not at all like an octopus, but what if it is still along the same dream series, so here the monster at least temporarily gets a child's toy to play with, oh and I am not trying to kill it any more, but it is considered a pet, though I have the impression that it is someone else's pet. For those who unlike me have not been paying attention to my dreams, this is good news because that baby monster was interpreted as being a new part of my personality that my old personality did not approve of, so that it was a monster from the old established self's point of view. The thing is that I do want to change though, so in my dreams of old versus new, upon waking up I root for the new. And while part of me may still think it is a monster, but part of me acknowledges that one could also think of it as a pet. So that is progress, I think. Alas in this dream my poor ego appears to be quite thoroughly befuddled and not in control, though trying to take control, or trying to get help, and going on mission around the world, but others do not approve and do not appreciate my efforts. Oh well.
Ok, I've verified: it was indeed me who changed the lyrics, and my boys know that it's "scream and shout". That led to my seven year old stating that he thinks that screams are more high pitched than shouts, and thus girls do more screaming than boys, but then he admitted that sometimes he screams too.
I'm sure he'll be fine. A little "Britney bitch" and "turn the shit up" here and there won't damage him... besides, it's nothing that he won't learn in school in three, four years anyway, right?
I am kind of hoping my five year old was either not singing the bitch word or at least has no clue what it means (pretty sure of that). Am I a bad parent to not really mind that my five year old gets exposed to such song? Nah, it's all ok, I hope. That actually reminds me when my older son was five, he came home one day repeating "I'm going to kill myself." He didn't mean it, was just parroting something he had heard from some other kid. That was the moment when it really sank in to me that my kids only spend about half of waking time under my supervision, and the other half is mostly in a group of kids and all it takes is one parent not doing any parental control ever and then all of them get exposed to everything, and the teachers can't stop it because it's not like they are overhearing every playground conversation nor would I want them too, and even if they were to censor it which again I am not sure I would even want but even if they did that would just make them repeat it more in secret. Oh, and if a kid has older sibling then what he gets exposed to is usually at a rating of at least two years older than the older sibling.
Who knows? Last time I had music on a dream, "Let It Be" was about a random lake. YOU'RE NOW NOW ROCKING WITH WILL.I.AM AND BRITNEY BITCH
Yes, that's the song. I guess I got the lyrics wrong in my dream. Oh well. i wonder whether my five year old dang it the wrong way yesterday and I got the change of lyrics from him, or whether I introduced the change myself. Hmm. Come to think of it, it is quite likely that I added the modification to the song because my five year old in addition to constantly singing this song was also making me dizzy by how much he was moving, and I was sick and just watching him was enough to make it worse. He was supposedly sick too, except that if one is a five year old boy being sick apparently means that one sings and moves a lot and doesn't skip a beat from one's normal activity level.
"Spin and shout and let it all out" reminds me of that will.i.am song with Britney Spears... Britney, oh, I love her. But they say "scream and shout"... ah, well, leaving it here anyway! will.i.am - Scream & Shout ft. Britney Spears - YouTube
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