Hello, Rendar, and welcome to the DILD class! |
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Hello everyone, my name is Rendar. |
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Last edited by Rendar1970; 08-19-2016 at 07:31 AM.
Hello, Rendar, and welcome to the DILD class! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I will additionally add that having a current, well-rehearsed set of concrete dream goals helps prolong LDs by quite a lot. Finish one goal, go to the next, then to the next, and so on. The great thing about dream yoga is that there are so many stages of practice to try: transforming size/number, flying, walking through walls/floors, and so on. Holecek gives a long list of things to try. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Welcome Rendar! When I read your original post here with your experiences I thought of the same idea as FryingMan (what an excellent, thorough post FM!), namely to "rehearse your 'I'm dreaming!' ritual/moment while awake." The only thing I would like to add to that is that before visualizing that moment and then moving on to your goals (both very helpful), you might also want to try simulating an RC that is indicating that you are in dream (indicating that you are in a dream while asleep in bed, with none of the limitations that we tend to experience while dreaming in the waking world, to borrow ideas from dream yoga.) |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
This is a fantastic suggestion, Thank you. Im going to start implementing this and rehearsing through out the day. |
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Yes, when you think of a moment you experienced just minutes before it can feel very fleeting and very dreamlike. It can lead you to the feeling, and at some point the understanding, that every moment is a dream. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
I just awoke from a very clear and vivid dream about laying in the bed I had as a teenager at my parents house many years ago. I was dreaming about laying in that bed in the middle of the night and trying to practice WILD. It wasn't working so I gave up and rolled over to goto sleep. But when I rolled over I woke up an was back in my real bed. I honestly thought this must be a dream or FA, so did a reality check and it passed. So now it's 4:40am, so I'm going to try WBTB. |
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Last edited by Rendar1970; 08-22-2016 at 06:26 PM.
Well the bulk of dream yoga (or any yoga) is in the preparatory exercises. IMO the Holecek book has a good number of these, as compared to TYoDaS. Holecek spends a full chapter on the (critical) relationship between mindfulness and lucidity, which I think motivates the practices nicely. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
This is a very good sign that you are close I have found, from multiple student accounts! |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Not being able to get back to sleep is pretty common in LD practice (I know, I suffered a lot from it). A good thing to do is just try to relax and use that time productively: meditation, breath awareness, be completely content in just floating in relaxation. If your body/mind needs more sleep, you'll fall asleep again if you keep your mind and body still. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Well, it's been almost 8 months now of hardcore work to lucid dream without ever once getting lucid. It seems like the more I try the farther away I get. So I took a break. Now that I've started up again it's right back to feeling like nothing works. I got into this all excited and full of confidence. But 8 months with no progress, no luck, no lucid dreams. |
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Hi Rendar1970, |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Something else that has helped me a lot in overcoming dry times is to re-read the foundational literature. ETWOLD, TYoDaS (Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep), Holecek, whatever literature you've found most inspirational in the past. I find going over these books again after a months or years away, I always find new things or rediscover things I had missed before. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I have been doing the "getting lucid" ritual practice like we talked earlier. I have tried "faking" an RC to show I was dreaming and practicing my ritual (I would do say a hand check but purposely stick a finger from my other hand inbetween two fingers so it would look like i had extra fingers). |
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One other approach I wanted to recommend: really focus on how much you enjoy your very vivid dreams. Build really strong deep feelings of joy and accomplishment at your recall and these wonderful dreaming experiences. It is entirely possible that wanting a lot (and feeling conflicted about the wanting) and not achieving it has set up some sort of block. Building strong, completely positive emotions and a mindset around dreaming may be what remains to let you finally break through to the LDs you're desiring. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Last night I did like you said. I didnt actively seek a LD, I just set an affirmation to enjoy the dream state and accept whatever comes. I have a few vivid dreams which were nice. As usual I woke up around 4am naturally. I didnt do an intentional WBTB but I did get up for about 20 minutes to use the bathroom and get a drink of water. When I laid back down I decided to play with the Gravity Induced Lucid Dream technique. Not really so much expecting to LD, but just to experience it and relax myself. After a few minutes It felt like body weighed 20x more than normal. Then I started feeling like I was spinning a bit, almost like down a drain. Then suddenly it felt like I was in the center of a cyclone and then instantly like I was floating and lost all sensation of my body. The technique stated if you reach that point, your in, and all you need to do is visualize a scene you wanted to enter, and then open your eyes. Well I visualized a scene in great detail, opened my eyes, and just saw pure blackness, not even my room. So I closed my eyes again, re visualized the room, opened my eyes, and was in my bedroom. Did an RC, and say I was actually in my bedroom, no FA. |
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Sounds like you got really close. I'm not much of one for WILD, I've experienced what you mentioned, getting the REM Atonia sensations but not entering a visual dream. If you keep up the positive affirmations, not abandoning LDing, but not demanding LDs, and consistently cultivate a thankful, happy attitude towards dreaming, I think you'll make progress towards LDs. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Golden advice as usual FryingMan!! The DILD students & myself are very lucky you are here!! (I will be a little more absent than usual for the next week or so but will still check in). |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Well I guess I cant say Ive yet to Lucid Dream anymore, lol. Got completely Lucid in a dream last night! |
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Congrats! I knew you were close! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Well I didnt have any Lucids the last 2 nights, but did have some nice vivid dreams. But yesterday afternoon after doing some yard work I took a little nap, and sure enough had a short lucid. I could just be psyching myself up, but it really seems like now that Ive had one, my its easier to let go and just let them happen. Both Lucids I have had now seem a lot less like "I need to do xyz to MAKE them happen" and more like "Ive already done xyz, now just let it happen". |
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Congrats on another lucid! |
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Well its been few days since the last lucid. Still having some nice very vivid dreams though, so no complaints. On Sunday I begin a month long Dream Yoga course taught by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche which is very exciting. And by pure luck the day after the course ends he's speaking at temple near my house in California, and I have a reserved spot to attend. So I will get to meet him and learn from him in person too. It has been said he frequently gives transmission at his lectures too, so fingers crossed. |
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There is definitely something about putting in the day and night work and then letting go a little by not worrying (still putting in the work every day as much as you can). I would also not be disappointed though if you have to wait a week or so between LD's early in your practice. That is how it was for me but before long I was having them very regularly, so you can achieve that also, maybe even this early in your practice. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
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