Thread: Why is "everything", but dialating time possible in a lucid dream

Someone should try making a Total Recall type machine in a LD to implant memories of fictional events. If you could implant 300 years of memories into your brain during an LD it might be a cheat way of time dilation haha.

^^ Though it sounds silly, that is an excellent concept... I would definitely want time on that machine!

Time is a river, a landslide, and we are the water, the dirt.

Time dilation already exists. Slow motion, and fast forward are obvious examples. The coming and goin of the universe and our libes is as the blink of an eye. Yet also as an inching glacier. Without time, we tend to lose our meaning, and that can be discomforting.

Look at the black hole, and the creation of matter. They are like springs and tributaries carrying the flow of life. Sure time can be changed. A river can be dammed, diverted, navigated or dried up. It takes a strong mind to change the flow. However, even the lesser minds can remove themselves from the flow with enough effort.

Enjoy those metaphors

^^ Downright poetic, Chimpertainment!

I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but very pretty!

Most people think Time is like a river, that flows swift and sure in one direction but I have seen the face of time and can tell you they are wrong. Time is like an ocean in a storm, you may wonder who I am and why I say this ,sit down and I will tell you a tale like none that you have ever heard.

A really nice quote from the beloved game series prince of persia!

I think that i'ts not possible to dilate time, simply because you do not know how you would do something like that. You could create the illusion I think. But if anyone does, do tell me how! :p

I ofcourse know that in your dreams you can do things that aren't possible like flying or doing the craziest things, I've done it :p But I think it would be something that goes way beyond our capabilities, even in the dream world.

Originally Posted by dreamstudent123

I think that i'ts not possible to dilate time, simply because you do not know how you would do something like that. You could create the illusion I think. But if anyone does, do tell me how! :p

Flawed logic is flawed.

Please read one of my above posts above for an overview of how I and others have accomplished the feat.

Alright, let me formulate that differently. I do believe it's possible to dilate time, heck for all my human brain knows we could be doing unimaginable things. I'm just not sure how it can be done....I understand that this discussion has already passed the 'is time dilation possible?'. Sorry if my post was a little bit dull...

I think my op was misunderstood, at the end I clearly asked people to try to and dilate time and report back details, I feel this took a wrong direction into an angry debate. I tried to focus more on experimenting and finding answers instead of constant arguing. So, if anyone is still interested on experimenting with time dilation pm me,

There's no anger in here. This turned into a really good thread.

^^ Agreed. Also, sometimes a good debate leads to new ways of seeing -- and doing -- things.

^while I do agree that debates are most often good, I feel like the main point was misunderstood, this thread has been fantastic, but still no one is trying and experimenting with the length of dreams which is what I've been focusing on. We all know time dilation in dreams is possible, but how is what we need to ask and what control do we have over it that's what I want to know, and that is why I made this thread more as an open discussion about results and tactics.

maybe its as simple as intending minutes to feel like hours, much like when we intend for gravity to cease to exist or fly or anything else. The dream world is us, we are it, so there shouldn't be anything off limits. Hell if we can defeat gravity (an all pervasive powerful force in the universe), time (which doesn't inherently exist) should be no issue

I've experienced time dilation many, many times, but I have yet to figure out how to control it or do it on purpose. I've had WILDs that lasted 4, 5, 6 hours dream time and only 15-20 minutes of real world time had passed. I can speak from experience and say that it is very possible. I'm sure there are those out there who can control it to a certain extent. At some point, I'll work on it in the lucid state. To be honest, I haven't put a lot of time into experimenting with it during the dream state. I've worked more on prolonging and extending my dreams by evaluating things that often cause the mind to wake up. Time Dilation is deep stuff that I'll touch one day after I have accomplished some of my other goals.

Perhaps the OP has missed the observations of several posters suggesting there is no one way to dilate time. People figure out ways past limitations using their own strengths in their own way. There is no one solution is any particular problem.

Well, I google searched time dilation and lucid dreams. I found plenty of discussions, but this one guy on another forum uses a computer to massively manipulate time. I mean, he claims to spend weeks in a lucid dream. Basically, all he does is type in the time on a computer. He types in the number of hours he wants to stay in the dream. So, I decided to try this. I tried my best to suppress any expectations and doubts I had for this technique. I haven't typed the dream up yet, but once I do, I'll link it in this post. Basically, I waited until I was pretty deep into a long LD (about 2 hours or so into the dream, in dream time). I did this because I wanted to wait for a dream that already had time dilation active in one way or another (in reality this dream lasted about 45 minutes, but it lasted much longer dream time). I found a DC and told them I was looking for a computer that can dilate time and extend my lucid dream. The DC pointed me toward a bathroom. I entered and found the computer. I typed in 3 hours and hit ok. It "confirmed my order." The dream lasted maybe 30 minutes (dream time) after this point. I guess its possible that my doubts for this method bled through, but I thought I adjusted my mind pretty well in preparation. I just don't think that time dilation is something that can be controlled so easily, but I'll continue to experiment. I just think that computer typing isn't going to do it for me .

Nice thread everyone.

It's gotta be an ability we are able to hone and develop, that of experiencing it (which as far as I'm concerned is what really matters at the point we're in). I mean, people are talking about experiencing hours within minutes, often twice the amount of time actually spent dreaming, if that's so, with proper understanding couldn't that be escalated? Also there are people consistently experiencing lucidly different degrees of this phenomenon which begs the question, what do they all have in common to different levels and intensities? Or are we better of assuming it is impossible for us to figure it out and put it in a box?

I have experienced time contracting (?) extremely with conscious awake meditation where for example an hour or two (not sure anymore) felt like a couple of minutes. Time / perception of time is edgy, it's much too soon to close the case my friends

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Well, I google searched time dilation and lucid dreams. I found plenty of discussions, but this one guy on another forum uses a computer to massively manipulate time. I mean, he claims to spend weeks in a lucid dream. Basically, all he does is type in the time on a computer. He types in the number of hours he wants to stay in the dream. So, I decided to try this. I tried my best to suppress any expectations and doubts I had for this technique. I haven't typed the dream up yet, but once I do, I'll link it in this post. Basically, I waited until I was pretty deep into a long LD (about 2 hours or so into the dream, in dream time). I did this because I wanted to wait for a dream that already had time dilation active in one way or another (in reality this dream lasted about 45 minutes, but it lasted much longer dream time). I found a DC and told them I was looking for a computer that can dilate time and extend my lucid dream. The DC pointed me toward a bathroom. I entered and found the computer. I typed in 3 hours and hit ok. It "confirmed my order." The dream lasted maybe 30 minutes (dream time) after this point. I guess its possible that my doubts for this method bled through, but I thought I adjusted my mind pretty well in preparation. I just don't think that time dilation is something that can be controlled so easily, but I'll continue to experiment. I just think that computer typing isn't going to do it for me .

Interesting idea I'm going to have to try that myself next time I'm in a lucid dream. I'm glad to see suggestions, I'll try some more ideas I have and I'll post results if i have any.

^^ The easy response to your above post is that space also does not physically exist, for the exact same reasons that time doesn't exist, but that would just sound snarky, I think. A valid response, yes, but still snarky!

I've never heard of these successful experiments that suggest time is a dimensional plane; care to share a link? Also, wouldn't this dimensional plane of time need to coexist with our dimensions, or else we would not be able to experience it?

Otherwise I'm afraid I'm not convinced. Calling time a dimension does not call it a physical entity, I think, as dimensions usually tend to be more convenient mathematical devices than actual things or places, and in no way confirm physical properties. Also, if you're not into quantum mechanics yet, well, there is where time as an entity tends to break up, so there's really not much to talk about. To avoid a long discussion that wanders off-topic and succeeds at nothing, I suggest we leave it at that, with each of us still in our own camps.... it would still be nice to get that link, though!

Sorry for the digression, Tye...

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ The easy response to your above post is that space also does not physically exist, for the exact same reasons that time doesn't exist, but that would just sound snarky, I think. A valid response, yes, but still snarky!

I've never heard of these successful experiments that suggest time is a dimensional plane; care to share a link? Also, wouldn't this dimensional plane of time need to coexist with our dimensions, or else we would not be able to experience it?

Otherwise I'm afraid I'm not convinced. Calling time a dimension does not call it a physical entity, I think, as dimensions usually tend to be more convenient mathematical devices than actual things or places, and in no way confirm physical properties. Also, if you're not into quantum mechanics yet, well, there is where time as an entity tends to break up, so there's really not much to talk about. To avoid a long discussion that wanders off-topic and succeeds at nothing, I suggest we leave it at that, with each of us still in our own camps.... it would still be nice to get that link, though!

Sorry for the digression, Tye...

hehe, yes I believe we both expressed our sides quite well and am glad it remained in the bounds of a respectable conversation and there would be no reason to continue this conversation of physics and philosophy on a lucid dreaming forum (lol). I will try my best to get you those links for you btw .
To get us slightly more on topic however, I would like to ask you something. Have you ever personally believed you had dialated time in a dream by a rather great deal, such as making a 1 hours dream last 2 hours in dream time?
I'm sorry if you already answered this question earlier in this thread, but I looked and couldn't seem to find if you did or not.

We can talk about time dilation as a mental construct and not assume time itself is altered. I am sure that is in line with the OP. I have experienced what would seem to be an entire evening in LDs. The perceived time being perhaps 5 hours, while it is physically unlikely I could have maintained an LD much beyond 90 minutes.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sorry for the digression, Tye...

It's alright Sageous, I feel like having discussions about the existence of time is awesome, but we should talk about the existence or non existence of course, and how the existence or non existence would relates to dreams.

Also after thinking about this topic for a while, I think that there is no such thing as time also. I think that events happen and humans create a system in their mind on how they perceive events happening. This is also why I believe time travel into the past is impossible because events happen there is simply no backwards because there is no time. It is somewhat hard to think of the concept because we use time for everything. I think time exists in a way, but that it is just a classification system of everything that happens in the universe.

I think it can relate to dreams if you can alter your classification of time in dreams.

Pretty much everything that tranquility trip has said comes straight out of einstein's theory of relativity. We experience time as he's talking about everyday like with the gps clocks. As well as all 4 of the dimensions that he has mentioned as they are all bound together. Im not sure how to link you to something supporting this but its not too difficult to find if you google the theory of relativity and time as the fourth dimension.

Hey doesnt it also say in his theory somewhere that if you could travel at the speed of light that time would stop for you or go backwards compared to others not moving at the speed of light?? This feels like its probably a dumb idea but maybe you could try using this idea somehow in a lucid dream...wait nevermind I guess this would only make it seem like time dilation would have happened. Nevertheless maybe a possible starting point perhaps?

Originally Posted by rastro13

Pretty much everything that tranquility trip has said comes straight out of einstein's theory of relativity. We experience time as he's talking about everyday like with the gps clocks. As well as all 4 of the dimensions that he has mentioned as they are all bound together. Im not sure how to link you to something supporting this but its not too difficult to find if you google the theory of relativity and time as the fourth dimension.

Yes, as I told Tranquility Toad already, all his examples were valid and familiar to me. I also told him that they tended to illustrate the "non-existence" of time by pointing out how time is uniquely changeable, thus lacking the inherent stability of all forms of matter and energy. I was looking for specific experiments proving time as fourth dimension; I'm sure that I can google explanations of it easily, because time has been known metaphorically as the fourth dimension at least since Newton, and there will be plenty of folks describing it as such. No, I was looking for the mentioned successful experiments proving that time exits as a separate and somehow connected physical fourth dimension, and that unfortunately is far beyond my feeble search skills.

Hey doesnt it also say in his theory somewhere that if you could travel at the speed of light that time would stop for you or go backwards compared to others not moving at the speed of light?? This feels like its probably a dumb idea but maybe you could try using this idea somehow in a lucid dream...wait nevermind I guess this would only make it seem like time dilation would have happened. Nevertheless maybe a possible starting point perhaps?

Not such a bad idea at all, I think! Yes, you'd need to set yourself as the observer of an object exceeding the speed of light -- as if you're waiting for it to come home -- and attempt to experience its passage through your time, if that makes any sense. But that part might not matter, since the expectations woven into such a concept might be enough to separate yourself from the constraints of your internal clock. Might be worth a shot!

If time dilation is possible in a dream then shouldn't a skilled practitioner be able to dilate his perception of time in real life too, or at least in a light meditative state.

The concept still makes absolutely no sense to me, and honestly I don't see how you could "trick" your mind into dilating time but that's something I'll leave since no one here can really have the answer. As sageous has pointed out, the nature of time is pretty much unknown and we just don't know enough about it to make usable assumptions on how it works. For now I will try it for myself and wait for others to prove scientifically of their abilities.

Has anyone here ever successfully dilated time in waking life?

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

If time dilation is possible in a dream then shouldn't a skilled practitioner be able to dilate his perception of time in real life too, or at least in a light meditative state.

Absolutely! To me the real attraction of time dilation -- or more specifically adjusting your perception and use of time -- in LD's is that, once we can learn to "erase" time where it should be easy to do so (in a LD), then it might be possible to do so in waking life.