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      What do you dislike about the US?

      I'm curious to understand more about the hate.
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      Government.

      Oh and country music.
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      Fuckin Sarah Palin, everything she stands for and all who stand behind her.

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      Disliking an entire nation of people is the same as racism. There are many, many diverse groups of people within the U.S. Unfortunately, the overly patriotic yet uninformed ones often have the loudest voices, and this tends to piss of people from other countries. Basically the equivalent of some dude yelling about how great he is. No one likes that.

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      Unfortunately this represents far too many Americans:


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      What dislike I have centers around how the media is used to divide people, and promote content that may prove more destructive than beneficial. The latter is up to interpretation, but television programs like "My Sweet 16" and "Jersey Shore" aren't exactly what most of us would consider enriching (or even neutral) shows. I've seen more negative, spiteful comments come out of these than positive. Why create hostility...
      (I already know the answer: it makes money)
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      Well, the foreign stereotypes include arrogantly parochial, ignorant, xenophobic, nationalistic, zealous, backwardly religious, socially illiberal, aggressive, paranoid, materialistic, superficial, uncultured, unintelligent, and fat. I'll add more if any come to mind.
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      We apparently don't give a shit about other countries. A lot of Americans (if asked) may be able to name all the Kardashians, but then when asked who the President of Mexico is, they'll most likely get stumped. Stuff like that. We're ignorant but still pretend to be superior.

      I'm basically just repeating what I've heard. I don't mind living in America.

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      "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."
      - Oscar Wilde

      No need to get it twisted.

      I love living in America. ... Being called an American, on the otherhand, is a huge love-hate ordeal, because there are SO MANY THINGS about this country that put shame to the name, and in the end, while privileged to be raised in a nation founded upon and thus publicizes principles of good intentions, it's also a nation that has rode the political and economic 'shit-roller-coaster', ending up far down the tubes since its inception.

      Three points:

      1) Media brainwash
      Fact of the matter is, what once was true about America is only half true today. Some would say none of it is true. America is not truly a free country. It has come FAR from that! ... Aside from that, our ability to defend freedoms and make real progress in the sight of the people (of whom the nation was founded) is diluted, because of how desensitized and dehumanized by the media we are. We're so used to seeing the Caucasian heroic story play out over television shows, and products being sold to us constantly, and ideas being oversaturated, that our moral and practical judgement regarding world events and our own well-being as a nation is one huge fog of 'I wonder who's going to win American Idol tonight! etc etc etc', making it so easy to be misled by media figures, like faulty politicians. There is a famous scene from Network that perfectly explains this point. ... "Network" 1976 -- Turn off your TV! [combined with today's news] - YouTube

      2) Capitalist overindulgence
      Truth be told, I'm not a purist. There is nothing purely wrong with Capitalism, but America is the perfect example of capitalism gone horribly wrong, and completely unregulated. A good number of people over here believe that the big baddie is government regulation,... and big government in general, and while it is at the center of most things gone wrong, big business is just as wicked a deamon. While the 'Free Market' is intended to level itself out, the amount of greed that has been allowed to manifest has even tampered with the Free Markets functioning, to the point where the idea of a 'Boom and Bust' system (huge economic expansion followed by huge economic recession/depression, generation after generation) has somehow become normal, and when things go really bad, what do we learn? "Burn the house down with taxpayer money, walk away rich as hell, and let the rest of the nation/world collapse. HELL! We can just buy up their shit, find a new market, and start the cycle over again!" ... I don't know about you, but I feel that setting the bull loose was a truly fucked up idea.

      3) Ultra-conservative
      I am not against conservatives, or Republicans. There are plenty of ideals and policies on the right end I don't think are all that bad. Some of them make up for what deficiencies on the left, and vice versa (you can tell I am a moderate). ... but for God's sake, the number of people here that believe that America is number 1, and that patriotism is almost higher than the will of God (or an even more dangerous a notion, ... it IS the will of God!) just makes me want to punch a baby! The ones screaming loudest into the microphone at Tea Party conventions, and those more radical clowns on Fox News who like riling up angry people and frightening them into hating other countries like China, ... people who are usually riddled in negative traits despite all the 'piousness', like racism, extreme fundamentalism, and advocating of political and religious fears... like we're still living in the Quaker/Victorian-era America... are the people I can't stand. ... I mean, I'd feel bad about calling any one type of people out, but... kinda hard to feel bad when the hate is already placed against you for not following along with it. ... Not to suggest that America has tons of them, like they are a majority or anything,... but... the loudest, most annoying ones always get heard I guess.

      ... Those are my three points.
      Fairly rough, but ... you get the point now.
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      I dislike America's constant meddling and coercion in the internal affairs of foreign nations most of all.

      Obnoxious seems to be the most common description for the average American. Many Americans still display an innate sense of superiority regardless of their personal accomplishments and even though their country is quickly tumbling to the bottom rung of the developed world. Just like the big loud bully in high school, you can't help but feel like putting them in their place.

      On a more personal note I feel like a large part of American culture seems fake and manufactured, which is extremely unappealing to me. Capitalism's ugly consequences ran amok.
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      Hollywood pisses me off to the highest degree. Sure, it does come out with some good movies, but it is all so Americanized. Give the rest of the world a chance to make movies, Let every culture bring out some uniqueness.
      For example, American teenage movies do not apply to anywhere but America (if that). We can not identify with them at all. Things such as school cafeterias (we don't have them), elementary, middle, sophomore, freshmen, junior and senior (we have a completely different education system), Christmas in winter (we don't have that), no school uniform (we don't have that either), the list gos on. Yet the only teenage movies come out from America, where is our films?
      Sci-fi and actions are also heavily American Cliched, it just gets so annoying seeing the typical evil CIA, talking to the president, going around Manhattan, new York, where ever, Let's see something new and something Non-American. Harry Potter did well because it was British, Lord of the rings did well because it was New Zealand (thank god Hollywood didn't steal the right to film the hobbit in America) etc etc
      Just stop being so greedy in the movie making industry!
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      I agree with all the post above, though I hate how people from other countries start to stereotype all Americans, people have to know that all people are different.

      Edit: Oh, and Australia sounds like a nice place to live.
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      Oh the irony of being called arrogant by Xei...

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      I think people did a good job to sum up what I think. I have American friends and I don't doubt it is a great place to live. Like many others. Still.. this is kind of hard to explain without offending anyone, but I guess I am glad I did not born American. I just.. could not feel any national pride with country that has done such actions in the past, in the present and most probably in the future if nothing is changed. I understand patriotism is a great word for Americans ( for most of them I guess ), but somehow it differs what people here call patriotism. Also, being a vast country there is a great chance that I would have been raised to one of those individuals that represent the USA how we others see it.

      Let me explain a bit further. It is completely fine to feel national pride of your heritage and of your land. But by doing so you cannot be picky. That pride must last even when you take account all the "bad" things that has been done because of it. Compared to America that is vast, populated and full of different states, cultures, races and such, our tiny country is a lot more tightly knit together. As a rule of thumb, the smaller the community is the more likely they will have stronger bonds to each other. Somehow the sense of absolute superiority and arrogance some Americans represent is far from pride in my book.

      Also, I hate it when American influences turn our youth into something awful. Our language is changing rapidly, filled with slang words from English ( most American english naturally ). Politeness is gone, the generation is pretty much corrupted and I don't know what will happen in the timeline of 10 years. Pretty much is blamed on American influences, I am afraid.

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      Very well said Unelias!!

      I've come to hate the word patriotism... I guess because of the way most Americans use it. The pride they talk about is the kind that comes before a fall.

      So often I hear people strutting around talking about their pride and I realize it's actually arrogance and not pride at all. True pride, as you said, is based on accomplishments and abilities. But the people throwing their chest out and announcing "Nobody insults me! I'm a bad ass son of a bitch! You fuck with me and I'll fuck you up!" don't have any real pride at all. Just bloated egos. Patriotism based on that kind of "pride" is not only empty and hollow, but is just bullying, and tends to separate people and set them against each other for no real reason.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AustralianFire View Post
      Hollywood pisses me off to the highest degree. Sure, it does come out with some good movies, but it is all so Americanized. Give the rest of the world a chance to make movies, Let every culture bring out some uniqueness.
      For example, American teenage movies do not apply to anywhere but America (if that). We can not identify with them at all. Things such as school cafeterias (we don't have them), elementary, middle, sophomore, freshmen, junior and senior (we have a completely different education system), Christmas in winter (we don't have that), no school uniform (we don't have that either), the list gos on. Yet the only teenage movies come out from America, where is our films?
      Sci-fi and actions are also heavily American Cliched, it just gets so annoying seeing the typical evil CIA, talking to the president, going around Manhattan, new York, where ever, Let's see something new and something Non-American. Harry Potter did well because it was British, Lord of the rings did well because it was New Zealand (thank god Hollywood didn't steal the right to film the hobbit in America) etc etc
      Just stop being so greedy in the movie making industry!
      lol wat

      They're not being greedy. They're making as many movies as people want to buy. If people want to see movies from a wider base, let them buy the movies made by such people. It's not Hollywood's problem.

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      I wasn't calling anybody anything; I was saying what the British stereotype is.
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      I agree with AustralianFire that the movie industry has declined a lot..I mean movies these days are so cliched and predictable..I don't even get excited about movies coming out anymore except a few movies I am looking forward to.

      I think people don't care about creativity anymore, what happened to new ideas and movies that have never been done before? There are some movies that still do this, but most don't. I think the whole thing is that Hollywood is just making movies to entertain people now, rather than express the writers imagination and creativity..they just make some random movie with mindless action, boring plot that will cater to the masses short attention span lol

      It's not only movies though, I think it's music too. Thank god the indie scene is getting bigger...in this day and age you don't have to have tons of money to make an indie film, game, or album
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      They're not even really making movies to entertain people, just to rake in massive megabucks. Moviemaking is big business now. They don't care at all about artistic integrity or message or anything like that - just hand over fist profits. New ideas aren't profitable, neither is art. No corporation spending tens of millions of dollars on a single project is going to risk long shots like that - they want only the safest bets.

      Also, independent moviemaking these days is massively expensive too. Most of the independent film studios are now backed by major studios. What passes for 'independent' these days is what used to be big-budget a decade or two ago. Long gone is the true spirit of independent low-budget filmmaking from the 60's and 70's.

      That spirit can still exist, but unfortunately it's mostly only in basement studio productions from people who re totally amateur and can't get professional actors or cinematographers etc.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MatthewOlson View Post
      2) Capitalist overindulgence
      Truth be told, I'm not a purist. There is nothing purely wrong with Capitalism, but America is the perfect example of capitalism gone horribly wrong, and completely unregulated. A good number of people over here believe that the big baddie is government regulation,... and big government in general, and while it is at the center of most things gone wrong, big business is just as wicked a deamon. While the 'Free Market' is intended to level itself out, the amount of greed that has been allowed to manifest has even tampered with the Free Markets functioning, to the point where the idea of a 'Boom and Bust' system (huge economic expansion followed by huge economic recession/depression, generation after generation) has somehow become normal, and when things go really bad, what do we learn? "Burn the house down with taxpayer money, walk away rich as hell, and let the rest of the nation/world collapse. HELL! We can just buy up their shit, find a new market, and start the cycle over again!" ... I don't know about you, but I feel that setting the bull loose was a truly fucked up idea.
      Serious question: Do you actually know what the word "unregulated" means?

      It's gotten to the point where I'm starting to actually question people's understandings of the words they use when they talk about subjects like this. How can one possibly and honestly say that the U.S. has a free market when the economic history of the U.S. is steeped in obvious interventionism? You don't even have to be a free market supporter in any sense to acknowledge the fact that the U.S. does not operate in a free market system. The only way one can possibly come to the opposite conclusion is if they ignore historical facts.

      I think you should learn the definitions of the words you intend to use. You cannot honestly attack the free market system, for it isn't used in the U.S. You have to attack the blatant corporatism that is at the root of the problems you pointed out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
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