Thread: Unrest in Iraq, is anyone surprised?

Bestial creatures. We should have put them down when we had the chance. Ron Paul 2012.

nope

What can be done about it? Staying there wouldn't accomplish anything. Leaving will only accomplish less dead non-Iraqis and less money wasted.

Maybe we should install some sort of secular dictator, since Iraq's situation can not handle majority rule due to the nature of their differences.

Originally Posted by tommo

What can be done about it? Staying there wouldn't accomplish anything. Leaving will only accomplish less dead non-Iraqis and less money wasted.

Time machine?

Too early to say that this is civil war. This is not a particularly abnormal event, and naturally it's a stunt. We'll see.

Egypt is more interesting right now. Despite the free election the army is still killing people and now the new government is pulling the typical 'it's the protesters' faults for causing unrest and baiting the soldiers' shit.

Yeah but the US isn't directly responsible for the problems in Egypt.

The US didn't engender the situation in Egypt? They propped up Mubarak didn't they?

That's not the same thing as occupying the country for a decade to make it a better place only to make it worse.

I suppose I should say the US and UK though, to be fair you guys have a dickish foreign policy too.

Hahaha I knew that was coming.

Spoiler for Haha, charade you are:

Anyway, I don't see much a difference. Propping up a dictator, invading a country on false grounds; they're both illegitimate actions which directly led to the current situations.

Great job you just described reactionary bias.

Anyway, I don't see much a difference. Propping up a dictator, invading a country on false grounds; they're both illegitimate actions which directly led to the current situations.

Fair enough. Buuuuuuuut the UK were the assholes that implanted Western style Government in the first place and started this whole mess.

Yes, and your cute tendency to criticize a group and then become fiercely partisan when somebody else criticizes 'your side' of it. For instance complaining the US government as a whole is trying to oppress the citizens and then feeling the need to attack the Republicans when somebody criticizes the Democrats. Or bringing up the UK when it was utterly irrelevant as you just did.

I'm sorry, before I address anything else you've said, please clarify what is hypocritical about defending Liberals (not the DNC) as well as defending the Rights of the People in a nation?

Nothing. Why did you feel the need to point out an obvious truth about the UK when it was irrelevant to the conversation?

Why do you feel the need to suddenly defend the UK? Everything the US has done in the Middle East has been backed by the UK in the Security Council. They're both colonizing the Middle East, the US is simply leading the charge.

Originally Posted by Xei

an obvious truth about the UK

Now we've established that the above post is either a lie or the genuine (but bemusing) result of a massive misinterpretation, care to actually answer the question?

Reactionary Bias. My people can criticize my people. Other people should look at themselves before they cast stones.

Well I'm glad you've been intellectually honest enough to admit it was bias. Where I am from should have no bearing on which conversations I can participate in and how.

For the record I find the actions of the UK to be just as bad as the US; I've posted about it before and voted the fuckers out as soon as I got the opportunity.

Well, I have fought over in Irag and Afganistan. We really are helping the kids there and the people but I agree, it is a waste of money to try and bring democracy.

Originally Posted by MarineRecon

Well, I have fought over in Irag

I don't get it...

Originally Posted by Xei

Well I'm glad you've been intellectually honest enough to admit it was bias. Where I am from should have no bearing on which conversations I can participate in and how.

For the record I find the actions of the UK to be just as bad as the US; I've posted about it before and voted the fuckers out as soon as I got the opportunity.

Right but my point is that bias is a force of preservation. If you aren't willing to advocate something then how do you know if it has value? I am ashamed of my country, but it's mine and my nature is to defend it. Criticizing myself allows me to learn while dealing with an opponent that means no harm to my ideas, only to improve them. Communication between separate institutions or individuals is a fight for superiority on some level or another. Admitting the US sucks when someone else casts the first stone, a part of an equally corrupt institution, is a way of condoning their institution and admitting it's superior. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

It isn't a competition, no one wins by being the worse, or slightly not as bad. Back to the main topic though, there has always been unrest in Iraq. At the point where we had the most troops on the ground, there was still unrest. Pulling out isn't causing unrest, it was always there from the start, and we have not even pulled out yet.

Sure we wont have a base and troops in Iraq. We will just have a mile and a half wide embassy, and 15,000 'security guards'.

I don't give a shit, just get them the fuck out of the middle east already so we can focus on our own countries -___-