Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
Above and beyond justice or survival, what does revenge serve except ego? From a logical, philosophical and spiritual perspective I come up empty. As I see it, it serves no greater good nor any personal good. It's a poison self-administered to one's being and essence.
My observation is most who exact or revel in revenge usually regret it. It is the icing on the cake of the original injury.
That's like asking what purpose masturbation serves other than ego. It satisfies an innate craving. It doesn't have to have anything to do with self-image.
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
I agree that they are not on the same level, just like lying to a child, telling them their grandmother went on vacation (when she actually died) so as to wait for the right moment to break out the news because you don't feel you can do it right now, is not the same, morally, as lying to someone, telling them their husband cheated on them when he actually didn't. But, even while the first lie is not a lie with ill-intentions, it is morally virtuous, in my opinion, to still realize that the lie is not morally perfect. What I mean is sometimes we are lead to do things that are not morally good, but it is still acceptable or necessary to do them. Ideally, a person should be able to realize, despite being justified by their actions, what they are doing is wrong. (although there is no better way.)
If there is no better way, then how is it wrong?
When you watch movies where the "good guy" gets revenge, are you at all glad that he got it?
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
I take it, you have been wronged. If so, I will never win an argument with you because you know that what you are experiencing is true.
I have had a similar conversation with my mom and she agrees with you who believe that certain things can never be forgiven. And I can't argue with that. Because she was wronged in a horrible way, one that affected her health.
Us who disagree, however, are in a tough position, it is like a man interested in discussing the morality of abortion, but the women around say he has no right to give an opinion because he is a man and this is only about woman. The truth is, a father is also affected by the choice of abortion or not abortion so men should not be completely shunned from that discussion. It's just an awkward position here, where we say that we believe that not everyone is subjected to revenge but then everyone who feels that emotion of vengefulness scream back "you know nothing about being wronged!"
I have forgiven everything that was done to me. You'll say I wasn't truly wronged if I was able to forgive. Maybe. Maybe, I would be vengeful if someone did something worst... But that doesn't change that I am only one person. And you all are just another handful of people. I am 99% sure that there is one other human being in this world, in human history, that was wronged in a horrible, unforgivable way, and that genuinely forgave anyways.
When we talk about dreams, we say, don't limit yourself! Everything is possible and the limits you put on yourselves will become limits, limits that don't have to be there. I say it's the same with our emotions. Everything is possible but if you want to limit yourself, be it.
Revenge is an interesting thing.
That might be the difference in our perspectives. If you are ever seriously wronged, you will probably see revenge as completely righteous.
By the way, I am not encouraging anybody to break the law or put themselves in dangerous situations. Although words like "justice" and "compensation" are often used so people can sound moral and professional, I think the court system is mostly about revenge.
Originally Posted by DreamyBear
I think this short 59 sec clip, will represent one of the most difficult situation for any human to be in. And stil be able to show any kind of authentic forgiveness in. So this puts the need of revenge vs forgivness in some bigger perspective I think.
I have believed for a long time that a great way to punish somebody for evil behavior is to appeal to whatever level of conscience that person might have. I wish we could give murderers and rapists consciences so they could be tortured by them. What the guy in the video did was barbecue the bit of conscience the murderer had. As far as I am concerned, it was effective revenge.
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