Thread: Why Terrorism Exists

Originally Posted by memeticverb

missing the point. the FBI agents who were corrupt occupied very high offices, and are still being protected by the highest offices by executive order only.

if Sibel Edmonds is correct, agents within the FBI, protected by the highest authorities, aided the 9/11 hijackers.

Riggs Bank, ran by none other than Bush's uncle, was also found guilty of money laundering to two of the 9/11 hijackers. further investigation of the corruption of this terrorist-supporting bank has of course been blocked by president bush by executive order

see shadows in a cave

Why do you want to resurrect our 9/11 debate in a thread about why terrorism exists? You do admit that there are foreign terrorists out there who seek and plot to kill innocent Americans, don't you? I was telling Namaste about the rationale for the war in Iraq, and this thread is about why terrorism exists. This is not another 9/11 alien conspiracy thread about what the queers are doing to the soil.

Originally Posted by Namaste

Lol there is no way terrorism will be solved with blowing up terrorists and Bin Laden and making martyrs out of them. Killing others just breeds more hatred and more terrorism, like it or not. Lets get realistic about this!

Our strategy is way more complex than that. Taking down the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan was not about just "blowing up terrorists". It was about taking away a great deal of high level terrorist backing. Governments are far more powerful than any other organizations or gangs. Taking out terrorist governments is extremely good strategy. I think our doing that has a lot to do with why there have been no more domestic terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 9/11/01. Also, part of the goal is to kill as many as we can who have even the potential you are talking about. Lots and lots of other things are involved in the strategy. It is not all about creating a terrorist (and potential terrorist) vacuum, but I think that is an effective part of the strategy.

Originally Posted by Namaste

Everyone deep down has love at their core and is looking for peace. I imagine bin laden is too looking for peace in his own convoluted way, even though he does have a deeply troubled mind.

I am a million light years from agreeing with you on that. Bin Laden is all about his own power, not a search for some perverted form of peace. He just uses that kind of talk as a means for recruitment.

I have learned several unfortunate things about life. There is no Santa Claus, there is no God, most marriages end up sucking, and there are far too many people out there who have no good in them at all. We evolved from wild animals, and the wild animal is still in a huge chunk of humanity. Too many people in this world put power above EVERYTHING else, and they would walk all over you if you showed them love.

Originally Posted by Namaste

I doubt a real substainable argument could be put together to suggest that Bush and Blair were any more moral than Bin Laden. How many people did Bush order to the electric chair in his time as governer of Texas and how many people have died in Iraq including solidiers (note: they are people too with loved ones as well) its an obscene and disgusting number of deaths attributed to the orders of insanely powerful leaders. Bush and Blair are disgusting examples of humankind.

How many of those killings involved Bush and Blair's targetting of the innocent for religious fanatical purposes? War sucks, but sometimes it is necessary because not fighting would lead to far greater tragedy. However, Islamofascist terrorism is irrational and unjustififed.

Originally Posted by Namaste

Is it any more moral to kill for oil and money than for an extremist religious view?

Did you read what I wrote about the rationale for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Even if you claim there is an oil conpiracy, which you cannot prove, you cannot deny that there is a level of legitimacy to the reasons I gave for the need for the wars.