I've asked myself the same question. There seem to be two opposing ideas: |
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Are the DC's only a mechanism of the dreaming mind, or do you think they have a life force if however subtle. When I began lucid's they often made little sense, but now they are conversing with me about my waking memories with increasing ability. I have succesfully practiced occlumency to hide thoughts I don't want them to see incase they are actually wandering spirits on the astral plane just disguising themselves as DC's. But the whole ordeal has made me curious wether I'm inducing real consciousness when they start listening to me? I've considered wether or not is simply a function of the sleeping mind to interact with itself as if it were seperate beings, I just want some outside opinion. |
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I've asked myself the same question. There seem to be two opposing ideas: |
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Last edited by Psylocibin; 05-13-2011 at 09:41 PM.
Dreams
Like the dishes still asking to be washed, things will not be solved by covering them with a blanket.
The idea that a dream is "so real" is based on flawed logic, in my opinion. |
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---o--- my DCs say I'm dreamy.
Row row row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily merrily merrily merrily, life is but a dream. |
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Dreams
Like the dishes still asking to be washed, things will not be solved by covering them with a blanket.
Every once and a while, I will run into a dream character who surprises me. They seem to have deep and complex personalities that are different from my own. I can communicate with them, and it feels like I am communicating with something separate from myself. Maybe they give me information that I never knew I knew. From my point of view (the only point of view, in this case!), they are definitely sentient. I don't think they need to be from a physically separate place, to be sentient. I think they can briefly exist as separate parts of myself. They are just as real as my main "self." We just happen to share the same body or the same mind, or same dreams, or whatever. |
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My theory is that DCs are either all controlled by your subconscious or it could simply be a very sophisticated AI. I intend to figure this out in my dreams. |
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psilocibin, did someone else have psilocybin or is that just a typo? I considered using psilocyborg first before this. |
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I have yet to achieve a decent level of lucidity, but I have had interactions with various DCs. While experiences may vary depending on person to person, I think that the DCs personality (not all of them) are much different to my own waking personality. Maybe it's that i'm too ignorant to realise my personality, or that the DCs personality is different to mine; but I honestly think it is some form of higher intelligence. No not aliens or anything like that, just a sort of intelligence, hidden deep within our subconscious; just out of reach of the capabilities of lucid dreaming. Perhaps astral projection can unlock this intelligence? Fantastic thread, makes a very good read. |
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are your dreams not built from memory as well? for example... someone who is born color blind will never dream in color, because they've never experienced it. |
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It's a play on words, I'm a psychologist. |
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Dreams
Like the dishes still asking to be washed, things will not be solved by covering them with a blanket.
I noticed some similarities between imaginary friends and dream guides, both self sentient (in evolved cases), existing within the mind (unless they're let out), and able to confer with the host. Perhaps dream guides and imaginary friends are dc's becoming increasingly aware. Please; share your experiences with both so we can have an information base to work from. |
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My problem with someone assigning special importance to a DC is that we know that during a dream your reasoning is not working 100%. For example, let's say in the course of my dreams I meet two dream characters. One tells me my mother is going to poison me. The other tells me my flight to LA the next day will crash. Why would I wake up and cancel my flight, but not start worrying about my mother's ill-intent? |
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"The human race will begin solving its problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously."
--Malaclypse the Younger
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Excuse me, that was a very confusing Velzaed; firstly, it depends on the dream, I agree some are total nonsense, though i've had ones that seem intelligently constructed, I know it's unlikely someone is studying me to experiment on, however I'm doing that very things to the DC's which I do beleive to be a albiet very different (yet reminiscent) form of life, so how unlikely is it they are actually developing some form of perennial individuality, the evolution of which would naturally be dreamguides unto imaginary friends, eventually they might become so real that one who accepts the fact that it is happening goes far enough to tell another exactly what is going on from their perspective. The figurative cells undergoes mitosis, or they have already had similar experiences and genetic material is shared. |
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I personally think it depends on the person, do I believe spirits and such can enter dreams? Sure why not. I have experienced arch angels in my dreams and that was single handy the greatest experience of my life. When I first met them, anything negative just...vanished and it just was flooded with a tsunami of positive energy and instant friendship. Although I will say most of my DC's are dumber then a sack of rocks. |
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Last edited by pepsibluefan; 05-19-2011 at 08:52 PM.
Sorry if that was confusing- it was pretty late when I wrote it. |
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Last edited by Velzhaed; 05-20-2011 at 10:26 AM.
"The human race will begin solving its problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously."
--Malaclypse the Younger
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Well, Astral Entities do enter dreams. |
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That does clarify your position much more; I do beleive the logic in the situation is entirely dependant on the definitions of life one accepts, just as much as personal experience. So unless we confer our thought on either as you say the question is moot. Thanks alot for contributing. |
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So you think dream characters can be taught, and be made a civilization? Interesting, I have never seen anyone suggest this before. |
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By connection; if they are a creation of my dreaming mind; they are in contact with my thoughts and have the same metaphysical potential as any being. The civilization would be a perfect experiment to test this; first recurring dreams would have to be mastered to give them the opportunity for evolution, and theres the question of intervening, or simply observing, meanwhile a plan for timescales is required, as dreamtime can be very dilated. |
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only thing real is now! if u dreaming or not dosent really matter! in the real world we think that a dream is something else than the world we are percieving now... but a dream is not different from something u try to remember that had happend just a few days ago... if we were discussing this in a nother dimension it would be a whole other story then we would be in another now and that would be what we would think was real... |
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First off: Moved thread to General Dream Discussion |
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Dream Journal: Dreamwalker Chronicles Latest Entry: 01/02/2016 - "Hallway to Haven" (Lucid)(Or see the very best of my journal entries @ dreamwalkerchronicles.blogspot)
Discovered anything life changing? |
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Nothing that I would necessarily call "life-changing," but some interesting stuff, here and there. That black holes/universes thing was the most recent theory to blow my mind - assuming it's true, of course. Heh. A few other fairly interesting things that I'm a little too buzzed to try to list off right now, but I still love all this kinda stuff. |
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Dream Journal: Dreamwalker Chronicles Latest Entry: 01/02/2016 - "Hallway to Haven" (Lucid)(Or see the very best of my journal entries @ dreamwalkerchronicles.blogspot)
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