Thread: False Lucid Dreams?

I keep having these dreams that I think are lucid dreams while I'm dreaming, but as soon as I wake up I realize they're not. In the dreams, I'm usually running around summoning things and changing things, typical lucid dream stuff.

I've only been lucid once, but I still know that very distinct feeling you get when you're lucid. That hasn't been present in any of my recent "lucid" dreams. I do everything that people would normally do, I just don't remember thinking about it or wanting to do it personally. It just rolls along like a regular dream. In fact, I don't even remember how I got "lucid."

Anyway, what's the deal with these dreams about being lucid? I've had like three in the past week and it's kinda pissing me off.

I have them too. They're normal. I doubt anybodies dream count is accurate because of this.

Originally Posted by Nwonkun

I have them too. They're normal. I doubt anybodies dream count is accurate because of this.

Oh good, I was hoping I wasn't crazy!

I guess people who are into lucid dreaming have them because it's constantly on their mind?

I think i might of had one of these recently. I even stabilized it...

Yeah, that happens to me sometimes too; it's pretty annoying. At least it's easy to tell which ones are true lucids, because you get that overwhelming blast of awareness and realization.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Yeah, that happens to me sometimes too; it's pretty annoying. At least it's easy to tell which ones are true lucids, because you get that overwhelming blast of awareness and realization.

Exactly.

I actually had a false lucid dream before a true lucid dream, so when I eventually had a true lucid it was an entirely different feeling. Very eye opening.

Lucidity is just means awareness, so there is not really such a thing as a false lucid dream. If you are aware you are dreaming, you are lucid. However, there are different levels of lucidity.

Think about your present waking life awareness. Are you aware of your physical pain? Body position? Urges? Thoughts? Emotions? Sounds? Smells?

You can be aware of just a few of these things, or all of them.

Lucidity is just means awareness, so there is not really such a thing as a false lucid dream. If you are aware you are dreaming, you are lucid. However, there are different levels of lucidity.

Think about your present waking life awareness. Are you aware of your physical pain? Body position? Urges? Thoughts? Emotions? Sounds? Smells?

You can be aware of just a few of these things, or all of them.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Lucidity is just means awareness, so there is not really such a thing as a false lucid dream. If you are aware you are dreaming, you are lucid. However, there are different levels of lucidity.

Think about your present waking life awareness. Are you aware of your physical pain? Body position? Urges? Thoughts? Emotions? Sounds? Smells?

You can be aware of just a few of these things, or all of them.

You really don't know what you are talking about, you never experienced a False Lucid Dream.

Last night, I had a dream that I was doing my reality checks! So yes I think aspiring lucid dreamers just have it on their mind a lot.

I've had these dreams, very annoying >.< Like, when in your dream you realize your dreaming, you go around "controlling" your dream, but you really have no control, and your perspective doesnt change

Originally Posted by RogerWaters

I've had these dreams, very annoying >.< Like, when in your dream you realize your dreaming, you go around "controlling" your dream, but you really have no control, and your perspective doesnt change

Dream Control and Lucidity are two different skills.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Dream Control and Lucidity are two different skills.

It wasn't lucid per say, I dreamt I was aware, but i wasn't, I simply said in my dream that i was dreaming, but it really didn't have any effect, it was like it was all part of the plot of my dream. My thought process didn't clear, i didn't feel that rush of awareness, I was watching my dream self become aware, like a movie, but it didn't effect me

Originally Posted by RogerWaters

It wasn't lucid per say, I dreamt I was aware, but i wasn't, I simply said in my dream that i was dreaming, but it really didn't have any effect, it was like it was all part of the plot of my dream. My thought process didn't clear, i didn't feel that rush of awareness, I was watching my dream self become aware, like a movie, but it didn't effect me

That's still lucidity. Because you said you were dreaming, unless you said it, and didn't become aware, like if you didn't believe yourself. Is that what happened?

I can't imagine what you mean... Control without control?

We could say that they are dreams with a LOT LOT of control, like a lucid dream, because you also say "hey I'm dreaming" and all of that, but in fact, you are no lucid at all

Yes, when i said it, i didn't become aware, but my dream self started controlling the dream without me actually being aware or in control

False lucidity

Kill it with fire.

I don't know why this is such a controversial subject on DV. -_- It always ends up with people raging that there's no such thing and that there's only levels of awareness, then the topic gets closed. Pretty unfair, IMO. So hear me out.

I actually think that there is such a thing as false lucidity, even if people claim the term is "confusing." For example, I've had a dream that I was someone else, a superhero or something, and I was with another person. We went to sleep in the dream in an attempt to accomplish something. We were "lucid" in that "dream inside a dream," as you could call it. But I had no freaking idea that I was ME, asleep in my bed. And the "rules" that governed this "false lucidity" were nothing like a LD where I was completely aware. I know lucidity does not inherintly mean dream control, but it was more like I thought I was almost remotely controlling a different body. The "dream inside a dream" felt like I was dreaming of having something that I was thinking of as a "lucid dream," but I wasn't thinking of what lucid dreaming actually was. Therefore the dream played out more as a dream than a lucid dream. I know it's confusing.

And I know someone COULD label that as "being lucid with an extremely low level of awareness," but again, I dreamed of going to sleep with someone and waking up in a lucid dream. My idea of a lucid dream wasn't clear because my sense of logic was so low, and therefore it held little resemblance to a real lucid dream.

Yeah you "know you're asleep," but you don't know that it's YOU who's asleep in YOUR bed, and your idea of sleep is changed because of the low sense of logic of a normal dream.

I know Naiya says there's no such thing, no need to quote her. But having such strong negative reactions to the idea is ridiculous. Even if it's a "confusing term," that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing. It's the best way to describe certain near-lucid experiences IMO, so no need to shut the idea out.

RogerWaters said it best, it's like becoming "lucid" is part of the plot of your non-lucid dream.

Originally Posted by RogerWaters

Yes, when i said it, i didn't become aware, but my dream self started controlling the dream without me actually being aware or in control

Interesting. So you felt like an outside observer to what your dream self was doing?

Originally Posted by MJMax

I don't know why this is such a controversial subject on DV. -_- It always ends up with people raging that there's no such thing and that there's only levels of awareness, then the topic gets closed. Pretty unfair, IMO. So hear me out.

I actually think that there is such a thing as false lucidity, even if people claim the term is "confusing." For example, I've had a dream that I was someone else, a superhero or something, and I was with another person. We went to sleep in the dream in an attempt to accomplish something. We were "lucid" in that "dream inside a dream," as you could call it. But I had no freaking idea that I was ME, asleep in my bed. And the "rules" that governed this "false lucidity" were nothing like a LD where I was completely aware. I know lucidity does not inherintly mean dream control, but it was more like I thought I was almost remotely controlling a different body. The "dream inside a dream" felt like I was dreaming of having something that I was thinking of as a "lucid dream," but I wasn't thinking of what lucid dreaming actually was. Therefore the dream played out more as a dream than a lucid dream. I know it's confusing.

And I know someone COULD label that as "being lucid with an extremely low level of awareness," but again, I dreamed of going to sleep with someone and waking up in a lucid dream. My idea of a lucid dream wasn't clear because my sense of logic was so low, and therefore it held little resemblance to a real lucid dream.

Yeah you "know you're asleep," but you don't know that it's YOU who's asleep in YOUR bed, and your idea of sleep is changed because of the low sense of logic of a normal dream.

I know Naiya says there's no such thing, no need to quote her. But having such strong negative reactions to the idea is ridiculous. Even if it's a "confusing term," that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing. It's the best way to describe certain near-lucid experiences IMO, so no need to shut the idea out.

So, you were unaware of your physical body, you had no idea who your waking self is, but you were aware of the dream state?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Interesting. So you felt like an outside observer to what your dream self was doing?



So, you were unaware of your physical body, you had no idea who your waking self is, but you were aware of the dream state?

Not exactly. It's like a normal dream, you always have a vague sense of your normal life, even if the dream events are nothing like your normal life. Can't you think of a dream where the events are nothing like your real life? You go about doing events that make no sense in comparison to your waking life, seeing things that make no sense, but you usually know in the back of your mind that it's you, you just can't normally piece together the logic that what you're doing is strange because you're dreaming.


I wasn't really observing the events that I was doing from the outside, it was me doing it, I was in control. But my sense of logic was so low (like in a normal dream) that I couldn't piece together why my actions, and even my identity, seemed out-of-the-ordinary.

Since I was in a low-logic dream, my idea of dreaming was also low-logic. So when I was dreaming in that dream, the dream inside the dream involved me talking to people like the really existed, and generally not having a great idea of what lucid dreaming is.

Therefore my "lucid" just seemed fake, because of my low sense of logic.

I had no idea that I had gone to sleep in my room a few hours prior and was dreaming.

If you dreamed about being lucid, you had a dream. A normal, non-lucid, dream. And yes, for some, it does lead to confusion because they start to think that what LDs they've had weren't real. It's not the topic that needs to be squashed; it's the term. It's misleading.

I think I also have the same problem.
Last night I had a sleep paralysis, and then suddenly I was in a middle of jungle.
I know that I was dreaming, but I have no awareness, it's just like watching a movie from third person perspective.

Originally Posted by hadoitz

I think I also have the same problem.
Last night I had a sleep paralysis, and then suddenly I was in a middle of jungle.
I know that I was dreaming, but I have no awareness, it's just like watching a movie from third person perspective.

No awareness of what?