Thread: Lucid Dream Game Idea

I have another idea. What do you think about keeping track of our progress and making
some occasional videos of us talking about the game ( in full professional dress of course )
and how it started on a Lucid Dreaming forum and such and then when the game is all said
and done, we can have a full video in an "extra's" menu called "The Making of Lucid" and we
could have like interview / overview videos with some of the main people involved and such.
We would also need someone with a good voice to do narration.
Basically what I mean is something like this:
YouTube - The Making of Kingdom Hearts pt 1 (PS2)

All,

My brother is a professional videographer and editor using Final Cut Pro. Even I have an old Cannon GL1. My brother's equipment is much better. The above video for Kingdom Hearts looks really good. I don't know how they got such good video of the computer. There are problems you wouldn't think of with that. Maybe he can figure it out. Maybe flat screens don't mess up video the way CRT's do.

The other thing is, would you want it with just the game and voice-over, or would you want to show the team? Being scattered all across the country/world will make that a problem.

If you need any other modelling and rigging stuff (maybe even texturing) , I'd be good for it.
Folio- Lead Pipe image - Av7xrocker97 - Mod DB
Some of my older crap (february 2010 backward) is a little crappy I know, and october 2009 back was also unbearable, but I've gotten a lot better. I do creatures/humans as well as good work for props/weapons/items ect.

Originally Posted by SwampWhompa

If you need any other modelling and rigging stuff (maybe even texturing) , I'd be good for it.
Folio- Lead Pipe image - Av7xrocker97 - Mod DB
Some of my older crap (february 2010 backward) is a little crappy I know, and october 2009 back was also unbearable, but I've gotten a lot better. I do creatures/humans as well as good work for props/weapons/items ect.

Hi SwampWhompa,

I can put you on the list later tonight.

Sweet! Can't wait to see what's in store for this project.

Could everyone on the who should be listed under graphics advise if I have them listed correctly? I want to make sure I didn't list Graphics folks under programming.

K guys, the Programmer's Haven is up and running!

Originally Posted by Rman

All,

My brother is a professional videographer and editor using Final Cut Pro. Even I have an old Cannon GL1. My brother's equipment is much better. The above video for Kingdom Hearts looks really good. I don't know how they got such good video of the computer. There are problems you wouldn't think of with that. Maybe he can figure it out. Maybe flat screens don't mess up video the way CRT's do.

The other thing is, would you want it with just the game and voice-over, or would you want to show the team? Being scattered all across the country/world will make that a problem.

I would say we would just have key players / leaders do some camera-to-face talk about the game
and the process and send the video footage to whoever is doing the editing. I could talk about a few
things like how the game started as an idea on a Lucid Dreaming forum and came together from a
bunch of people on the internet. I live on campus so I'm sure I can find some video-production majors
to do my segment. I may even be able to get some of my professors in on the project and maybe do
a short bit. I had a teacher last semester who did a 3d game with a couple students so I may go talk
to him about helping us out with this. It will get someone with a little more experience involved.

Okay, so we've established we are doing it in 3D.

Are we going to have jumping and vertical movement? Or are we going to keep this all on a flat 2D surface, like a 2D game represented in 3D.

Vertical movement will add a depth (lol) of complexity to our engine. If we stick to 2D (in awesome 3D view) we get done with our engine quicker (and prolly less buggy) and get to the good stuff more immediately.

I ask this because it can be a pivotal decision in how we design our game.

Of course we can consider the types of gameplay first and those will decide whether or not vertical movement is required.

@rawr if we're gonna have flying i think that's a given. Also, are we gonna have a separate "haven" for each of the teams? A separate area would help, it's much better than pming, even though for music it might not be AS important it would be nice to be able to comment on samples, ect

On the side of engines.. anyone thinking about UDK? From what it seems it looks like we're going from scratch?

Okay so heres an update on some clips I've done for the game. I will make full
arrangements and recordings later but I have the general gist for a lot of it.
My current ideas:
Lucid ( An intense fully orchestrated piece for battle scenes ) - Orchestration: Full Concert Band, Progress: None
Frozen ( A theme for an ice palace based on the motif ) - Orchestration: Synth/Keyboard, Progress: Clip
Waking Life ( Theme for the town the character starts in ) - Orchestration: Mute Guitar, Progress: Finalized Clip
Dance of Dreams ( A Dance theme, very creep yet majestic and beautiful ) - Orchestration - Piano, Progress: Finished Score, Finalized Clip
Open Your Eyes ( Intro theme idea ) - Orchestration: Vocalist, Piano, Violin, Soprano Sax? Progress: Brief notes/themes
Long Road Home ( theme based on Dance of dreams but with an entirely different feel ) - Orchestration: Piano, Soprano Saxophone Progress: Finalized Clip
In The Moonlight ( Unsure of use but a nice theme ) - Orchestration: Piano? Progress: Clip
Midnight Forest ( Somber electronic theme ) - Orchestration: Synth/keyboard Progress: Clip
Static Charge ( Techno Theme possibly use for a boss but I'm not sure if its really right for this game ) - Orchestration: Synth/Keyboard Progress Clip

I will upload the clips I have. Keep in mind, some of these are just quick ideas so I didn't
really practice them to get things right. Don't bash my playing ability

filehosting.org - download page for LucidClips.zip

Originally Posted by Shadow27

I would say we would just have key players / leaders do some camera-to-face talk about the game
and the process and send the video footage to whoever is doing the editing. I could talk about a few
things like how the game started as an idea on a Lucid Dreaming forum and came together from a bunch of people on the internet. I live on campus so I'm sure I can find some video-production majors to do my segment. I may even be able to get some of my professors in on the project and maybe do a short bit. I had a teacher last semester who did a 3d game with a couple students so I may go talk to him about helping us out with this. It will get someone with a little more experience involved.

Sounds great. If it is shot on Mini DV, no breaks in time code please, though they know that. If it is shot on anything else, it doesn't really matter that I know of. I'm happy to take on the editing. I'll list you as in charge of the video on my page.

I've got some photoshop experience. Also do 3D imagin but, never tried other programs than MasterCam, so that wont be much of a help. Contact me if you need anything.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to design games, and I can't draw. However, I could supply everyone with ideas. I know I caught on to this really late, but now that I'm here, I'd like to help. My time will be restricted, though; I'm not actually out of school yet. Anyway, tell me what I can do!

Originally Posted by TheOneirologist

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to design games, and I can't draw. However, I could supply everyone with ideas. I know I caught on to this really late, but now that I'm here, I'd like to help. My time will be restricted, though; I'm not actually out of school yet. Anyway, tell me what I can do!

Same with most of us Welcome to the team.

Originally Posted by sNov

I've got some photoshop experience. Also do 3D imagin but, never tried other programs than MasterCam, so that wont be much of a help. Contact me if you need anything.

Hi sNov,

I listed you on the Graphics team. I consider everyone as a potential contributor of ideas; do you know where that page is?

Welcome!

I'd like to volunteer to help out. I was thinking about something like this a while ago, as video games definitely affect my dreams. I can't program or render, but I'm accounted a pretty good writer, and I know enough people who do program and do game design to not ask for unreasonable things. I can also help with Alpha testing, and possibly marketing. I'm at work currently, so I haven't had time to go through the whole Ideas Thread, so forgive me if these are redundant:

I think Kingdom Hearts style for the story is great, though personally I was thinking more of Psychonauts. And graphically I think we're better off with a more immersive style. 3D with jumping and what not. The more immersive we can get it the more actual impact it will have on LDing. For that reason I also think 1st Person or Over the Shoulder 3rd Person would be best.

While I like the idea of you guys creating a new engine for this, I would recommend considering the Valve engine (Source?). I've had friends who've used it and they liked it, it's not too hard to tweak from what I understand. But as I am not a programmer I'm just throwing it out to be considered, I can't really argue for it.

As far as story goes, I was thinking something along the lines of some nightmare creature tormenting the dreams of everyone the protagonist knows. In the protags first nightmare they become lucid and manage to fight off the nightmare and from there decide to eliminate it for good.

I like the idea of keeping it somewhat disjointed and episodic, which reflects the nature of dreams anyway. Also I think having false-awakenings where some things are just a little different and having to figure out that you're still dreaming would be awesome. We could have a lucidity command that you use to recognize dream-signs, and when you recognize enough (or certain very strong ones) you can then become lucid and start using your powers. As you use powers your lucidity meter drains and you have to either recognize more dream signs or stop moving and take some time to stabilize to recharge your meter.

That's all I have for now. I'll work on more concrete story ideas and be back.

Thanks for the total awesomeness of actually putting this together, I'm already super stoked.

Glad to have you on-board Oerath. Great ideas. I like the over-the-shoulder bit. Totally on-board with that myself.

In case no one has come up with this, I think there should also be "levels" in waking life. And there could be consequences for mistaking real life for a dream (i.e.: going to jail for raping someone, because you thought they weren't real anyway). If the entire game is in a dream, the line between dreams and real life won't be emphasized, and the purpose of the game will be defeated.
Naturally, if there are bosses then they'd be your friends nightmares. Perhaps we could do a Legend-of-Zelda type thing where you get a new dream power and then have to use that power to vanquish the nightmares.

...Also, can someone give me a link to the Ideas thread? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I'm posting this in the wrong place.

Originally Posted by TheOneirologist

In case no one has come up with this, I think there should also be "levels" in waking life. And there could be consequences for mistaking real life for a dream (i.e.: going to jail for raping someone, because you thought they weren't real anyway). If the entire game is in a dream, the line between dreams and real life won't be emphasized, and the purpose of the game will be defeated.
Naturally, if there are bosses then they'd be your friends nightmares. Perhaps we could do a Legend-of-Zelda type thing where you get a new dream power and then have to use that power to vanquish the nightmares.

...Also, can someone give me a link to the Ideas thread? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I'm posting this in the wrong place.

I agree we should have some waking life stuff but not full levels. I was thinking it would be a good way of doing the overworld and how you go into the next level and you wright yout dream down to save. I dont like the idea of rapping someone, thats a little dark and we don't want to turn people off to lucid dreaming.

Oh and also make sure to add me to the grapics section and not just the programing section.

We probably should keep the sexual stuff to a minimum if we want this to be widespread informative. Just the state of the world atm.

Also, partially randomly generated terrain? And instabilities might warp the camera like in the game "Amnesia: The Dark Descent" for when the protag has to fight for control and such.

OK.

YouTube - Amnesia The Dark Descent very low sanity

Video of the gameplay of Amnesia. You can see very clearly the camera being warped.