Thread: Death

If I wouldnt know it is a dream, no problem (who tells you that this is not a dream ), it woudl be as if you where still alive.

But if you knew it, the experience would be broken, we as human beings need many things but in my opinion the only thing that we MUST have is social interaction.
If you think it, if you didnt need to eat,excrete... you would be like: "Wow, nice no problem,even better". But relating to other people is NECESSARY, and knowing its a dream would ruin this aspect turning the dream into a torture IMO.
Once you knew its a dream instead of ejoying is you would be trying to scape constantly, because you know its false, its in human nature

But if it was a shared lucid dream with REAL people,like everyone who dies goes to this same dream, I think it would be perfect, because it would be like this life nut without limitations

Originally Posted by aperting

If I wouldnt know it is a dream, no problem (who tells you that this is not a dream ), it woudl be as if you where still alive.

But if you knew it, the experience would be broken, we as human beings need many things but in my opinion the only thing that we MUST have is social interaction.
If you think it, if you didnt need to eat,excrete... you would be like: "Wow, nice no problem,even better". But relating to other people is NECESSARY, and knowing its a dream would ruin this aspect turning the dream into a torture IMO.
Once you knew its a dream instead of ejoying is you would be trying to scape constantly, because you know its false, its in human nature

But if it was a shared lucid dream with REAL people,like everyone who dies goes to this same dream, I think it would be perfect, because it would be like this life nut without limitations

i agree it would be awsome as a shared dream with others, but knowing eveything was a projection of your own mind could drive you insane! but then again you cant go insane if you are not limited to life!

Hmmm... if you're in the afterlife, then wouldn't it actually BE real? I mean, I think if you knew your physical body ws dead, it would kind of force you to reexamine your ideas of what a dream is.

I have this crazy theory of what happens when we die. You know how under sudden stress like in an accident time slows way down? I like to believe at the moment of death it stretches all the way out to eternity in both directions so you're essentially in an eternal instant. And as we know, near death the mind retreats from the shell of the body and cuts off sensory feeds, so you'd be dreaming.

Moved this to Beyond Dreaming.

a constant 'life' would be the ultimate curse. After 10 000 years you would be dying of boredom, but the years still come, piling up into 100 000, 1000 000 and billions and trillions of years and you would be so empty, void of anything, but it would never end.

I probably didnt get the point across, did i?

I understand what you're saying, but I think if death were like a lucid dream it would almost have to be different from the dreams we have in life. I mean, so much of what we dream here in life is tensions coming from the body, from sexuality an from relationships etc. Would those things still drive us the same way when we're dead?And have no physical body?

I think i'd like it. As long as it had the shared aspect. Without that I might get really really bored.

It might be something just like a lucid dream, except it's the spirit realm instead of a dream. I'm happy with the idea, I've experienced it a lot, I even went to a school "there."

It would be nice if the life was like a lucid dream. Not as much limits, but I think it would be harder to get impressed by something in the long run, since you already seen everything that is out of the ordinary. But yeah, it would be better, since there would be no limits for what's possible. Imagine having a backmassage every day while drinking smoothies and don't have to worry about being in shape, go the job, or any other matter

The limits in a lucid dream are certainly endless. However, there's only so many 'main' things we can do before we start to tweak details of those things, just in order to achieve the level of 'endless possibilities'. Flying, for instance, is one thing, but once you start altering it enough, it will eventually become boring. Jetpacks, wings, swimming... Same goes for food and everything else. Now, if there was some mentality that would prevent one from getting bored, that's a different story.

I like the notion of being in an afterlife that behaves like a lucid dream, but isn't actually one - in that case, you might not be able to interact with anyone.

and a lucid world would be mayhem, what with all those dead murderers about.

Originally Posted by Solarflare

and a lucid world would be mayhem, what with all those dead murderers about.

no it wont cus in a shared lucid world u can have the power to overcome. majority of the murderes feed on mortality, but without mortality rapist and murderers would be nothing therefore they would be the most emptiest shells, ironic, they prey on mortailiy , yet in a imortal world where everyone is imortal and endlessly powerfull it becomes there hell, a hell without torment and fear but a hell where there ways turn against them in a eternal practical joke.

After eons pass in this state, a bunch of people get together and decide "well we've been flying around, gorging on food, having mass orgies, creating landscapes and pretty much everything else you can imagine for quite some time now, maybe we should limit ourselves again?" So we create physical bodies, implement rules (gravity, no telekinesis, can't walk through walls, standard physics, etc) and then decide to forget - so we can get lost in that physical game once again. For any good games needs rules. The paradox is that even with complete unlimitedness, there are still experiences that can only be had by limiting yourself. How can you grow stronger if you are always in perfect shape? How can you climb a mountain when you could just fly? How could you overcome fear when you are all powerful?

How fun it is to forget how unlimited you really are, at least for little while.

Would the murderers be able to kill you, with pain then you would just wake up in a different parrt of the spirit realm with all your memories. If that is true how many times can you experience pain and death like that before going insane? That is if you would feel pain, I think you would though since in dreams I feel pain, that is often more intense than in real life. I guess it would be fun to fight murderers and other monsters.

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

After eons pass in this state, a bunch of people get together and decide "well we've been flying around, gorging on food, having mass orgies, creating landscapes and pretty much everything else you can imagine for quite some time now, maybe we should limit ourselves again?" So we create physical bodies, implement rules (gravity, no telekinesis, can't walk through walls, standard physics, etc) and then decide to forget - so we can get lost in that physical game once again. For any good games needs rules. The paradox is that even with complete unlimitedness, there are still experiences that can only be had by limiting yourself. How can you grow stronger if you are always in perfect shape? How can you climb a mountain when you could just fly? How could you overcome fear when you are all powerful?

How fun it is to forget how unlimited you really are, at least for little while.

I wonder if everyone would have to agree. And I don't think some people would want to give up that powers. Anyway I suppose people could play games in that world like no powers and first up the mountain wins. But it wouldn't be the same even if you felt tired you would keep going cause you know you'd be completely fine. Hmmm I don't know. I think i'd choose to stay within the lucid dream forever. Maybe creating world that are physical if thats possible and becoming a sort of god.

Originally Posted by gunsdontwork

would you be happy with a constant lucid dream as your after life?

i think yes and no!

the knowing its not real is a little bit of a let down but the limits are endless so it would be really hard to get bored!

Who told you that dreams are not real?

It would be great, it would be a world which you can create build and destroy at your own limitless will and you could have endless feelings and fun through it, it would be the ultimate sandbox game

Also about people being projections of your own mind you wouldnt reallly have a mind technically because you are dead, so the expansion of DC personality could range deeper than expected.

Either way emotions run very deep throughout dreams so for you to create a perfect person within your dream would maybe even have you ask yourself once you're there why would you want to be alive with the negative faults of social interaction when you can have a place with no negativity if you wish.

im thinking too deep into this

Originally Posted by Solarflare

and a lucid world would be mayhem, what with all those dead murderers about.

I once had a dream that I was in a shared dream world, where everyone was also dreaming, mostly just passing through.
While there I was informed that if anyone tried to attack anyone else, they would quickly be outnumbered and overpowered.
When everyone has infinite power, no one can get the advantage.

Originally Posted by insideout

I once had a dream that I was in a shared dream world, where everyone was also dreaming, mostly just passing through.
While there I was informed that if anyone tried to attack anyone else, they would quickly be outnumbered and overpowered.
When everyone has infinite power, no one can get the advantage.

If it were a lucid dream in the truest sense of the word, though, some people would have less power than others because they're not yet as adept at control, or are using the wrong methods.

Originally Posted by Puffin

If it were a lucid dream in the truest sense of the word, though, some people would have less power than others because they're not yet as adept at control, or are using the wrong methods.

That's true, I suppose.
Perhaps the after-death shared lucid dream world would have levels, with people starting out at one level, then moving on to higher levels as they learn.

The rule for the dream world I visited seemed to be "like attracts like." There were good places that only attracted people who were interested in positive things, and scarier, more dangerous places that attracted dangerous entities and people who let their fears take control of them.

Of course no one could really get hurt because it was a dream and you could always wake up.
But in an after-death dream, I'm not sure what would happen if you got stuck in a nightmare...

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

After eons pass in this state, a bunch of people get together and decide "well we've been flying around, gorging on food, having mass orgies, creating landscapes and pretty much everything else you can imagine for quite some time now, maybe we should limit ourselves again?" So we create physical bodies, implement rules (gravity, no telekinesis, can't walk through walls, standard physics, etc) and then decide to forget - so we can get lost in that physical game once again. For any good games needs rules. The paradox is that even with complete unlimitedness, there are still experiences that can only be had by limiting yourself. How can you grow stronger if you are always in perfect shape? How can you climb a mountain when you could just fly? How could you overcome fear when you are all powerful?

How fun it is to forget how unlimited you really are, at least for little while.

I wonder if everyone would have to agree. And I don't think some people would want to give up that powers. Anyway I suppose people could play games in that world like no powers and first up the mountain wins. But it wouldn't be the same even if you felt tired you would keep going cause you know you'd be completely fine. Hmmm I don't know. I think i'd choose to stay within the lucid dream forever. Maybe creating world that are physical if thats possible and becoming a sort of god.

So they all created a massive shared dream they called "life", where we forgot about our unlimited powers and believed that we have bodies made of flesh and are subject to bizarre forces like gravity and time. But because they didn't want us to forget completely, they allow us to remember just dimly from time to time in our dreams, and some of us - those of us capable of remembering well enough - get to control their dreams and live a brief little bit of the true life that we'll return to when waking from this dream of life.

Originally Posted by aperting

If I wouldnt know it is a dream, no problem (who tells you that this is not a dream ), it woudl be as if you where still alive.

But if you knew it, the experience would be broken, we as human beings need many things but in my opinion the only thing that we MUST have is social interaction.
If you think it, if you didnt need to eat,excrete... you would be like: "Wow, nice no problem,even better". But relating to other people is NECESSARY, and knowing its a dream would ruin this aspect turning the dream into a torture IMO.
Once you knew its a dream instead of ejoying is you would be trying to scape constantly, because you know its false, its in human nature

But if it was a shared lucid dream with REAL people,like everyone who dies goes to this same dream, I think it would be perfect, because it would be like this life nut without limitations

Of course, you would no longer be a human being. What is the difference between a caterpillar and a human? Needing social interaction is human because we are social animals that live in groups, but after our body dies we are no longer human, and would cease to have a human consciousness.

Some are saying that being aware forever would be torture, so is it better to lose awareness between every dream and lose your memory and keep repeating the same mistakes forever until you muster up a little awareness? As awareness increases, so does bliss. Is bliss boring? Is an endless constantly changing orgasm boring?

Some are said that if the after-life is a lucid dream it would suck to know that it isn't real. Isn't real compared to what? Waking up? The powers one has in a lucid dream are the powers of a God. According to the Bardo Thodol one can be reborn as a God with the power to create and destroy worlds if one has sufficient awareness. Being reborn is the same as entering a dream. Gods have a very long lifespan but they also eventually die, and all the other Gods shun them so they die alone. So says the Bardo Thodol anyway. The Gods are kind of like Hollywood actors and actresses.

You have been dreaming for eons and eons. Or billions of years. Since the Big Bang. You want to keep dreaming? That is fine. Wrap your beautiful robe of words around you and sleep. Eventually you will get bored. Eventually you will get desperate to escape the unending dream. You will feel trapped, surrounded by matter, lost in time and space. You will begin to sleep lighter and be able to hear sounds enter your dreams from the reality beyond dreaming. Eventually you will wake up to reality and this Universe will cease to exist.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Who told you that dreams are not real?

if i told you i would have to wake you up!