Thread: OBE's VS Lucid Dreams.Lets end this for once and for all!!!

Why don't people understand that OBE's are nothing but WILD's?

Why don't you understand that a WILD is nothing but an OBE?

Lol, some people just have different names and different views of it, nothing wrong there, who's to say who's right?

If there isn't then lets call it something else common for both.

I think they do, where as us dreamers just call it dreaming, OBE'ers seem to use the term 'The Phase', which to us I guess would be after sleep paralysis, when HI sets in and you 'Phase' into the dream, or 'phase' out of your body, as they would say.

I asked what is the difference between lucid dreams and OBE's?

I also think the two ar exactly the same. I've had both (during a DEILD I am often capable of 'rolling out' of my body), but they feel exactly the same for me.

In my opinion, there's no such thing as OBEs. OBEs are just vivid WILDs or something like that. Most WILDers out there spawn in their bedroom and chances are, see a copy of themselves(or what they say "their real body") lying on their bed. This often makes a lucid dreamer think that he is having an OBE when in fact, it's just another LD.

That is something you'll have to figure out for yourself. For some, there is no difference. For others, there's a huge difference. From what I've read, a lucid dream occurs completely in your own mind while OBEs are thought to occur somewhere else, hence the term out of body experience. Whether you believe or don't believe, you don't really have the right to tell people to stop thinking about it.

Originally Posted by TheSmooze

That is something you'll have to figure out for yourself. For some, there is no difference. For others, there's a huge difference. From what I've read, a lucid dream occurs completely in your own mind while OBEs are thought to occur somewhere else, hence the term out of body experience. Whether you believe or don't believe, you don't really have the right to tell people to stop thinking about it.

Well said sir That's exactly how feel like. LD occurs in my mind, OBE out of it. But I've given up trying to figure out if OBE is just a mind trick or not. I'm going with the flow.

What's the difference between man and God?

Let's go fly a kite!

I think an OBE is when one dreams of a real place, like the bedroom. There often feels a link between these dreams and reality. The room feels almost exactly as it does in WL. Even close observations made in the dream are found to be true upon awakening. Is this the power of the subconscious or remote viewing? I've yet to decide

Well the reason that people call it OBE is the stage where you extract from your body rather than the place where you dream.

I've done that before and it felt just like an LD, if people think they have to see there body sleeping for them to be in an OBE, the dream will obviously manifest that to support their belief system.

Agreed with ShadowOfSelf, I have tried to OBE, as to give it a fair chance, but it was just like any normal WILDs. The SP was a bit more intense once or twice maybe but other than that it was nothing that crazy. Same for AP, so I don't see a difference, however can't tell people what to believe.

The difference would be belief here, if you think that you went out of your body, OBE, if not WILD.

Let's say, first, that LD'ing and OBE'ing are two separate things. I don't believe that (OBE's likely are simply a side-effect of WILD: if you fail to induce an actual dream after you're "in," then yeah, you'll likely find yourself dreaming of the last place you were, with dreamy distortion), but let's just say for now they both exist and are different.

That said (twice), here's the thing that keeps crossing my mind:

Lucid Dream = unlimited exploration into: alien worlds, action/adventure dramas, sex, relationships, fantasies, and anything else your imagination can conjure. They also may offer a window to your unconscious mind, your very soul, and, if WakingNomad is right, access to the minds of countless other dreamers. Plus, they help cure real problems like nightmares and might even contribute to holistic healing. Then there's the stuff the mystics use them for, like enlightenment and surviving death. I'm sure there's more, but you get the idea.

Out of Body Experience = floating like a powerless ghost in your waking life room for a little while. Or, if you're really good at it, floating down a waking life street like a powerless ghost for a while. And don't forget that no one will believe you when you wake up...

I can't help but ask why, if a person can successfully induce LD's, they would ever bother with OBE's (or rather spend much time in them after they finish their WILD). A little off topic, I know, but does anyone have an answer to that?

I think, that LDs are happenig on a Dream Plane. They are more of a playground, where you interact with DCs (created by your mind or they are other dreamers), you can alter the environment and do anything you like.

OBE/AP happen in any of the astral planes, from the one closest to the physical (which is an almost identical copy of our physical world - real time zone) all the way to the astral plane that has no physical in it at all.

Here you have less or no control over environment, entities you encounter are thoughtforms, other OBers, souls of departed and other inhabitants of astral planes. This is not a playground created for out amuzement. Here we can learn about ourselvs by accessing our higher-self, talk to passed-on relatives and such.

This is just my view and it may not be the truth. I don't feel that anybody should be forced to call their experiences by some unified name.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I can't help but ask why, if a person can successfully induce LD's, they would ever bother with OBE's (or rather spend much time in them after they finish their WILD). A little off topic, I know, but does anyone have an answer to that?

Well, can only talk for myself but I like to give everything a chance, and in that everything was OBE and APs, so gave them each their chance once I learned how to LD. Don't know about anyone else... though I hear, commonly, that people believe LDing can't give you anything spiritual and thus go towards the OBE option.

I'll share some views about why people term it as an OBE.Now that we all have accepted the universal truth that OBE is nothing but WILD.Lets us consider this situation.

WILD is going from waking state to the dream state.I'm referring to dream state not some planes.I'm using the general terms and abbreviations we use on this site and related to Lucid dreaming.

When we WILD, initially we are wake.So our mind models our surroundings where we are sleeping i.e the bed room.So when we go to the dream state straight from waking consciousness our mind expects the same surroundings to be there.The reason is same i.e no loss consciousness from waking state to dream state.

Imagine you are in front of your computer.Now close your eyes open them after few mins.Now what may appear when you open your eyes depends upon the reality that is happening out there but Its you who is expecting to see a computer.A computer will appear if you are dreaming.This is the reason I figured out why a bed room appears when people have an OBE.I may call an OBE as an incubated lucid dream of the location where you are sleeping.Now incubated here doesn't mean purposely doing.Its just means expecting. Incubating may bot be a proper term.An other way to describe it would be 'realizing a false awakening before it happens'.

This is regarding all the stuff related to the location now moving on to the state of consciousness.

The state that you achieve during LD and the one during an OBE may or may not be different.The reason is it may NOT be different coz OBE induction methods also involve during the stages of sleep.The reason that they may be different is coz the term called altered state of consciousnesses.We can experiences altered states of consciousness through drugs and meditation.The other reason that I feel that they may be different is coz the experiences of Robert Monore who had psychic abilities while having OBE's(manipulating surroundings while in an OBE state and the same changes happen in real surroundings).This may not be applicable for the general population that have OBE's.

The mystery is that the state where we are during an OBE might be dream like.But who knows?
Experienced people who have regular OBE's and lucid dreams might have the answer.

Originally Posted by Hukif

... though I hear, commonly, that people believe LDing can't give you anything spiritual and thus go towards the OBE option.

I think you might want to hear other less common people, Hukif, because the people who commonly believe that " LDing can't give you anything spiritual" are mistaken. By its very metaphysical nature (as I described above, for instance), advanced LD'ing is a spiritual event.

Which begs the question: other than the powerless ghost part, what is spiritual about floating around in your own room in an OBE?

... and yes, I have done plenty of what are termed OBE's here, so please don't tell me that I have to do them to understand, and also be assured that I gave them a chance.

Yeah, I often disagree with them because of that... but lol you put it so funny "other than the powerless ghost part, what is spiritual about floating around in your own room?"

The "do them to understand" is also a common way to attack lucids apparently, still don't get why everyone assumes that if you disagree with them, one have never tried the event?

Originally Posted by Hukif

The "do them to understand" is also a common way to attack lucids apparently, still don't get why everyone assumes that if you disagree with them, one have never tried the event?

Just covering my bases in this case; sorry if I sounded rude!

Oh don't worry, you did not. Was just saying I have noticed that too.

Cool!

OBE is when you leave your body while asleep or unconscious or (near death experience.) LD is when you become aware that you are dreaming and therefore have control over the outcome. OBE is NOT a WILD. I believe your spirit can travel around the universe as with a lucid dream it's mostly occurring only inside your mind. When people die for a few seconds and they see themselves hovering above their bodies, you can't honestly think that is a WILD. It's something completely different, they see themselves because they have truly left their body. With a normal WILD you do not leave your body at all.

I believe that some people who have OBE's have at least claimed to have witnessed things going on that they would not otherwise have been able to see. In such a case, it would literally be an out of body experience, and not really a dream since the world around the OBE'er would be based on physical reality rather than the mind of a dreamer. However it sounds to me that most experiences described on this forum as OBE's or astral projection are actually WILDs.

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