was this a false lucid?

**HatsuneMiku01** · 09-04-2012 04:35 PM

Hi

I feel like I havent been on this site in forever

but anyways, I'm back... and I have more entirely random questions.

So, this happened like a long time ago, but I think it might be a false lucid.... so, in my dream, I was in my living room with my sister and someone who i dont know iwl.. and we were talking about lucid dreaming ( i think i have to do more RCs because i dont talk to anyone about LDing... ) but then my sister said "Do you want to have a false lucid right now?" and i was like "OMG YES!" so, we were going to the basement, but she stopped in the kitchen. I got to the bottom of the stairs when i realized she wasnt there. I was going to go anyway, but the light wasn't on, and I thought wait... I'm always scared of the dark in my dreams.... so i ran back up the stairs as fast as i could, and my sister said "It worked!" and i was confused because my dream self didnt go to sleep, so i didn't know how she figured it worked.

So now, I'm wondering if it actually did work, and it was a false lucid. Not like it's a big deal or anything, but it's annoying not knowing -__-

**Matte87** · 09-04-2012 06:41 PM

You're either lucid or you're not, so that was just a regular dream in which there was a lucid theme

**fennecgirl** · 09-04-2012 07:24 PM

A false lucid dream is when you have control but don't know you're dreaming. I'm going to agree with Matte87 on this one.

**gab** · 09-04-2012 07:48 PM

I would not call it a false lucid. (What is a false lucid, anyway?)

It sounds like a regular dream with lucid theme. That you were able to think and have some control, that can happen in a regular dream too.

In any case, it's a good sign, that your thinking of LDing is manifesting in your dreams. Good luck and Happy dreams

**~~MasterMind~~** · 09-04-2012 07:58 PM

Simulated lucidity is when you dream that you are lucid. Only you can determine if it was that or not.

Either way it should not matter if you were lucid here or not, because you seemed very aware in any case so be proud of that and remember that this is a sign that you are getting more aware in your dreams. So look forward to your upcoming nights

**Ekyu** · 09-04-2012 08:10 PM

Like many other people say, there isn't such a thing like false lucid dreaming. You could argue about different "levels" of awereness and dream control, but either you know that your dreaming or you don't. Then you also have dreams that are about lucid dreams, but this does not mean that your lucid dreaming as Matte87 pointed out. Although these are quite good to have, since it means that lucid dreaming starts to effect your dreams.

**Sageous** · 09-04-2012 10:00 PM

First:

No, HatsuneMiku01, your account of the dream seems to indicate that you possessed a small amount of waking awareness, which would mean that you were indeed lucid -- or rather lucidly reacting, if there's a difference -- in your dream. It wasn't a False Lucid.

Now:

Though I hate disagreeing with not one but two DV Dream Guides at once, I believe False Lucids are quite real and I might happen more often than people like to think.

For Gab: A False Lucid is the result of your unconscious mind, your dreaming mind, fulfilling your expectations by providing you with a regular non-lucid dream that carries in it all the things you've been hoping will happen to you in a LD, only with a complete lack of waking-life self-awareness or memory. In other words, if you spend your days hoping and believing that you will be lucid, there is an excellent chance that your dreaming mind will oblige and provide you with the feeling of lucidity, per your expectations -- and it will do so without the help of your waking-life self-awareness.

This has happened to me many, many times. I've had dreams where I was in full "control," flying, and doing all sorts lucid stuff, all without even a smidgen of waking awareness present. I've learned to look back at my dreams after the fact and really determine whether my self-awareness was present at any level in the dream. It isn't hard to do, with practice -- just a matter of thinking about how I recall the dream, how I was perceiving things during it, what things surprised me, and how involved "I" was involved in the dream. By involvement I don't mean control -- you can be fully lucid and have no control -- I simply mean awareness that this is not "me" doing all this stuff, but DC body. False Lucids are also another important reason to do RC's, as they will handily confirm during the dream if your mind is trying to help out too much.

I could go on for a while about this, but I won't. If you're curious, browse my Treatise on Proof thread, where I think I went to some length discussing (and, yes, defending) False Lucids.

I hope that made sense, and doesn't ruffle too many authoritative feathers.

**Ekyu** · 09-04-2012 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sageous

First:

No, HatsuneMiku01, your account of the dream seems to indicate that you possessed a small amount of waking awareness, which would mean that you were indeed lucid -- or rather lucidly reacting, if there's a difference -- in your dream. It wasn't a False Lucid.

Now:

Though I hate disagreeing with not one but two DV Dream Guides at once, I believe False Lucids are quite real and I might happen more often than people like to think.

For Gab: A False Lucid is the result of your unconscious mind, your dreaming mind, fulfilling your expectations by providing you with a regular non-lucid dream that carries in it all the things you've been hoping will happen to you in a LD, only with a complete lack of waking-life self-awareness or memory. In other words, if you spend your days hoping and believing that you will be lucid, there is an excellent chance that your dreaming mind will oblige and provide you with the feeling of lucidity, per your expectations -- and it will do so without the help of your waking-life self-awareness.

This has happened to me many, many times. I've had dreams where I was in full "control," flying, and doing all sorts lucid stuff, all without even a smidgen of waking awareness present. I've learned to look back at my dreams after the fact and really determine whether my self-awareness was present at any level in the dream. It isn't hard to do, with practice -- just a matter of thinking about how I recall the dream, how I was perceiving things during it, what things surprised me, and how involved "I" was involved in the dream. By involvement I don't mean control -- you can be fully lucid and have no control -- I simply mean awareness that this is not "me" doing all this stuff, but DC body. False Lucids are also another important reason to do RC's, as they will handily confirm during the dream if your mind is trying to help out too much.

I could go on for a while about this, but I won't. If you're curious, browse my Treatise on Proof thread, where I think I went to some length discussing (and, yes, defending) False Lucids.

I hope that made sense, and doesn't ruffle too many authoritative feathers.

But what your describing isn't that just a dream about lucid dreaming? Sure, once in a while i did things in my dream that i wanted to do in lucid dreams, but i didn't knew that i was in a dream at that time. However i understand what you mean. I think we all mean the same thing, but just use different words to describe it. Hope this makes a little bit sense.