Well, I'll test something. I will keep thinking about l4d and in a few days, we'll see where that takes me. |
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I was having mutual thoughts with the op of the thread "Questioning LD", Suckertrain. Unfortunately, I have yet to read all the replies, but I had my first lucid experience the other night, followed by excitement, followed by disappointment because I now believe our lucid dreams are just indeed, dreams about becoming lucid. Think about it... each preparation we do, from reality checks to interactions with dream characters, they're thought about in our waking lives in order to mimic similar ideas within our dreams. But I ask can anyone truly be spontaneous in a lucid dream? How many of these "spontaneous" thoughts are actually conscious ones? We can shift in and out of dream control. I think dream control is just a measurement of the amount of information we are able to retain from our waking lives. For example, we'll use a hypothetical dreamer- Tony. Tony argues he has better dream control when he can fly to a goal destination set in waking life, while he has a hard time "controlling" a dream if he did not have any set plans, before awareness. He finds his subconscious is deciding what to do for him. Does our subconsious control our memory? I know we all have to make a consious effort to complete reality checks, but only when it became a 2nd nature, did I begin to repeat these reality checks in my dreams. |
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Well, I'll test something. I will keep thinking about l4d and in a few days, we'll see where that takes me. |
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What? Are you suggesting that lucid dreams are just normal dreams in which we dream about a subject. That subject being lucid dreaming? It sounds like you are saying, maybe lucid dreams do not happen? I have things I would reply, but I am not at all sure I actually understood what you are asking or refering to. Can you simply or clarify, before I answer? |
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Your post is a jumbled mess so I'm having a hard time understanding it. From what I gather you think that all lucid dreams are actually just normal dreams in which you dream about becoming lucid. Whenever people come up with this theory I always am confused as to what the differences is. If I dream that I am lucid I think it is the same as being lucid because both would require you to be aware of the fact you are dreaming which would make it a lucid dream...........do you see where this is going? |
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You've obviously never been fully lucid. |
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I didn't ask what you prefer as an ultimatum. But i think preferences will come a long way in reference to the amount of amusement one will garner from a "lucid dream", because we often mimic our conscious imagination. |
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Oh!!! Then you just need to reach that special state where you have control but have learned to allow random i teraction with you inner self. |
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I am little confused by your questions as well, so please let me know if I have misunderstood anything. |
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I (as well as many other 'natural' lucid dreamers) became familiar with the lucid state as a child, recognizing nightmares to be nightmares. There was no 'preparation' for this - as you say. It is a simple, natural, realization that one is dreaming, and it often happens before we even 'know' what 'lucid dreaming' is. |
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Vinny, |
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You're not confused at all =) You understood my logic entirely. From the conscious control to my LD preparation argument. |
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Last edited by vinny; 09-15-2012 at 06:24 AM.
I think when you dream you are lucid you wake up and remember being lucid. When you are properly lucid you are in the moment, in the dream. I do dicing sometimes in real life (Dicing is where you write down six options and roll a dice to choose which one you will do) and I'm trying to work out a way to use the environment of a dream to choose my option for me (rather than a dream dice). I think that will help me to be more "in the moment" in dreams. |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
Hi Vinny, I think you will need to experience it for yourself, but I assure you that the lucid state can exist as a very real experience totally unrelated to a normal dream about lucidity. I have LDs all the time where I am more or less fully aware and using my concious mind and contenplating what is going on and what I would like to do next. I feel just like I am in a virtual reality device. I think things like "Oh cool, here I am in a dream state, I wonder if I can remember where I went to sleep, yes, ok lets look at our hands and bring this into focus, There, nice and solid now, lets see, did I have any ream goals, well is Matte running a competition, what about the goal of the month," and so on. So it clearly is me being concious in a dream, not just dreaming of lucidity. |
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Last edited by Sivason; 09-15-2012 at 06:39 PM.
It sounds to me as if you're implying that lucidity is just believing you're conscious when you aren't, correct? It is possible to have full control/consciousness within a lucid dream. To question whether or not the dreamer really is in control or not would require you to question whether free will in waking life is real or simply an illusion, leading into a far deeper discussion that involves a lot more than just dreaming. |
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