Thread: Permanent Lucidity

New to this site, wanting to hear feedback from others. Are there other people who feel at least to some degree as if they are "permanently lucid". Now what i mean by this is exactly as the title suggests, that every time you enter into a REM cycle that you are aware of it. Every night that i fall asleep I am fully aware that i am dreaming, for the most part I let the dream and my subconscious have control (mostly for sanity's sake), however I always maintain control of my body and my thoughts. If a dream takes a turn that I am not pleased with I will consciously change the course of said dream. Besides the times in the sleep cycle where REM is not happening I feel as if I'm getting no rest at all because I am constantly aware at all times. I am curious if there are others out there. Through my early development of my dreaming I might be able to do this. To clarify, as a child i was barraged by night after night of horrid nightmares, (months on end) as many of you know having a nightmare is one of the "easiest" ways to become fully lucid instantly, by the mind's natural survival instinct you feel an urge of "this isn't real, you're dreaming, wake up". Basically because of these never ending nightmares in my early childhood I am now always aware when I enter into a dream state. When i first actually started reading about lucid dreaming I was surprised this wasn't an average thing. Please reply, any feedback and discussion is welcome, I am still trying to fully understand just how deep i can take what i can do.

Thank You,
NightmareRealm

I wish I had the skill to be able to be fully lucid every night. Guess its too much for us mere mortals to achieve and takes time and dedication. You are ''lucky'' I suppose to be able to do it from an early age.

Try practicing dream control so that you could fully explore your dreams / subconcience.

Control for the most part isn't a problem, by either thinking or calling out to my subconscious in my dream, I have even been able to some degree start to master Buddhist dream meditation. Which if you can try it is a superb experience I highly recommend researching it

I know there was a member(s) on this forum that has achieved a state like this. They become aware during delta sleep and they just can't rest mentally.

Too much of a good thing, I guess.

That seems awesome to me, but there are things you can do though if you don't like it. I wish this was a teachable skill.

it would seem awesome but I imagine he wakes up exhausted like he hasn't had an ounce of sleep. One of the few times Ive just gone into lucid dreams from the start of sleep I've had this experience, you wake up but your mind isn't rested

Originally Posted by NightmareRealm

New to this site, wanting to hear feedback from others. Are there other people who feel at least to some degree as if they are "permanently lucid". ...

Thank You,
NightmareRealm

Created account just for this.

I just read being permanently lucid was rare in another article. I thought it would be somewhat normal seeing as I have dreams every single night where I control at least part of it. I have since I was 7. I also had nightmares all the time as a kid but I had the "This is a dream so it can't hurt me" realization. So I wouldn't mind being eaten by a monster or anything. Then I learned to fly, breathe underwater and all that. Now I hardly have nightmares at all because I could just fight the monster with double katanas if I wanted.


I've also tried the other techniques for lucid dreaming later on and I have even more vivid dreams. But they become realistic and boring and I can't do what I do normally. The best way I can describe it right now is that normally I know on some level I'm dreaming all the time but other dream people and elements are oblivious so I take advantage of that. When I'm fully lucid everybody knows what's up and completely dismisses my shenanigans. I also really don't feel rested when I have these super lucid dreams, so I don't practice it often.

As far as how deep you can take it the craziest thing I've heard of is getting a hang of controlling the time dilation of dreams. Some dreams feel like a lifetime even though it was only a nap. Being able to do that on purpose is pretty crazy. I can't really imagine how. But since I already feel tired most of the time and sleep 12 hours a day possibly because I have these semi-lucid dreams every night, I'm not really up for the task of finding out.

Also ....to add to this in case people think this is only a good thing I am diagnosed bipolar. The first major sign I might have a problem was when I said "I wish I could sleep forever." My dreams were amazing every night but I was growing increasingly displeasured (I know this isn't a word chrome, but displeased doesn't work) and tired of real life. My nightmares also try to 1-up me and every once and awhile I get a super traumatizing one where I feel physical or severe psychological pain.

I'm glad to know there are others like me, it's apparently exceedingly rare to have this perpetual lucidity. And when you say you always know that you're dreaming "on some level" I get that a lot, for the most part in order to get any rest I ignore obvious ways I could pull myself into full lucidity. It feels like my head is a tv station that plays a different show for me to act out with me as the star. Everything from murder mysteries to being a superhero, the only reason I pull myself into full lucidity is if I don't like the way it's shaping up. I have a feeling you know exactly what I mean

Again, I do not think the fault of the restless nights lies on lucidity.
I'm lucid pretty much all the time, unless gravity is normal within a certain dream; don't feel restless. Another member, Luminous is lucid all the time too and she doesn't feel it either. Don't remember the exact details but a study was made on lucidity vs rest and it does not affect it. In which case it may be a case of a sleep dissorder that causes an enhanced lucidity state that is the problem and not the other way around.

Although getting rid of lucidity isn't all that hard. If control is not a problem, simply convince yourself that you will only be lucid once/night and problem solved, or create a dream-pill that will do that, or put your lucidity into a dream object and so on and so forth.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Again, I do not think the fault of the restless nights lies on lucidity.
I'm lucid pretty much all the time, unless gravity is normal within a certain dream; don't feel restless. Another member, Luminous is lucid all the time too and she doesn't feel it either. Don't remember the exact details but a study was made on lucidity vs rest and it does not affect it. In which case it may be a case of a sleep dissorder that causes an enhanced lucidity state that is the problem and not the other way around.

Although getting rid of lucidity isn't all that hard. If control is not a problem, simply convince yourself that you will only be lucid once/night and problem solved, or create a dream-pill that will do that, or put your lucidity into a dream object and so on and so forth.

You seem knowledgeable, if you don't mind me asking, are you permanently lucid? Have you always been. I am on the opposite side where I have to work hard to get a lucid dream. Is there a way to reach permanent lucidity.

Well it's good to hear that lucidity itself is probably not the problem. I started a sleep journal to try to figure out when I sleep better, see how long I keep that up lol.

Maybe I'll try the dream pill thing...

I also have dreams that really feel like movies, and sometimes instead of changing the dream I put my awareness in another person and do that role instead. Invasion of the body snatchers.

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Well, as I said there are some dreams where gravity is normal so don't get lucid in these, but other than that yes lucid all the time.
No, I had to work my ass off to gain lucidity.
I have always been of the idea that anyone can get there with enough practice. IMO the most important thing to get there is understanding oneself and what works best for ones own body. I for example would have much less lucids and experience had I stuck with the first technique that gave me a lucid, a WILD; while it is possible for me to get them if I get onto it, would go for months without lucids due to waking factors playing a role. And obviously, many more people have reached that stage through different methods, each one working for them and while they are all different, each one you could say works based off the fundations of the normal techniques. The trick is to modify them so they work for you.

Thanks Hukif for the wise words. I am interested in this Gravity RC, I will PM.

Also might I add that consistency and simplicity is key to being successful with lucid dreaming. There is no time frame in which it can be accomplished, it happens when YOU realize something within. When you are able to grasp and understand how something truly works THEN you will enter a world of pure imagination

Bravo, loved how you put it. Thank you for the advice.

Ha, most people try really hard to get a lucid dream and this guy actually tries to avoid becoming lucid. kind of funny.