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      Changing location in a Lucid dream

      Hi all, looking for some tips or ideas for changing location in a lucid dream. For a while now Iíve enjoyed whatever location I wake up in but most of the time these locations are just a random house, a random shop, a random street etc. Most of my dream goals involve me exploring locations from my past or places Iíd love to visit so naturally I want to learn how to change the location Iím in. Iím fairly familiar with how dream control works by this point and had 36 lucid dreams. But everything I try fails. Iíve tried walking through doors, Turning around really fast, flying, wishing for it, entering the void and trying to imagine a new location. These attempts either fail or result in the dream ending. Iíve never had much trouble manifesting characters or objects but locations seem to be a whole other problem. I think I may have built up a mental block and the more I try the harder I believe it is and now itís almost impossible. Does anyone have any tips for changing the location that they find work consistently for them?

      A second option Iím considering is dream incubation. Should I focus on the location I desire and hope that I end up there and become lucid at the same time? I would maybe set this as an intent before bed and then remind myself during a WBTB. Does anyone have any experience with this and finds it works? Thanks in advance for any tips.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tiktaalik View Post
      Hi all, looking for some tips or ideas for changing location in a lucid dream. For a while now I’ve enjoyed whatever location I wake up in but most of the time these locations are just a random house, a random shop, a random street etc. Most of my dream goals involve me exploring locations from my past or places I’d love to visit so naturally I want to learn how to change the location I’m in. I’m fairly familiar with how dream control works by this point and had 36 lucid dreams. But everything I try fails. I’ve tried walking through doors, Turning around really fast, flying, wishing for it, entering the void and trying to imagine a new location. These attempts either fail or result in the dream ending. I’ve never had much trouble manifesting characters or objects but locations seem to be a whole other problem. I think I may have built up a mental block and the more I try the harder I believe it is and now it’s almost impossible. Does anyone have any tips for changing the location that they find work consistently for them?

      A second option I’m considering is dream incubation. Should I focus on the location I desire and hope that I end up there and become lucid at the same time? I would maybe set this as an intent before bed and then remind myself during a WBTB. Does anyone have any experience with this and finds it works? Thanks in advance for any tips.
      Dream incubation is a great idea. I find that when I have a goal in mind that requires a specific setting, the dream will adapt itself to my wish. But sometimes that doesn't happen immediately. Practicing DEILD method is great, because you might not have the setting you want in the initial DILD, but subsequent dreams that you enter lucidly have a better chance of expressing your expectation. Just because you're more aware of that expectation when consciously entering a dream.

      Another tactic you can use is spinning. I've used it before to change dream scenes, and it works well. It's not a guarantee. Spin rapidly while lucid, while holding in your mind your desired location.

      Lastly, although you put this in your already attempted methods, opening doors is still a great one. Or walking through mirrors. The key here is holding that expectation in your mind when you open the door. If you open it and do not see what you want, close the door and try again.

      Good luck!!
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      Your methods are good and just take experience and practice. 36 lucid dreams is awesome, and worthy of congratulations, however, this stuff takes years and hundreds of dreams. I will give you practical advice, but it is advanced and more for thought as you go on. Early in the process building confidence and experience is enough. All of the methods you mention are worth trying. In advanced training you must first stop thinking about what you are experiencing as real in any sense. It is actually like a virtual simulation created by a computer system that is your physical brain. The belief that any of it is real decreases the ability to control it. The goal is to learn to have direct control over the operating system. This training takes place while awake. Look in the DV Academy section and find Dream Yoga which I put together. One trick is suppressing emerging thought. You learn to not allow thoughts contrary to your wants to even happen. An example is the thought that your attempt did not work. Maybe Paris was not on the other side of the door; having that thought is of no use; be pleased that it did work (even though you do not see Paris). Of course you see Paris, it is so clear (even though it has not yet appeared.) The though is cut short before it develops. You also learn to create visual images while awake such as circles and lines. You create say two lines intersecting like a teepee. Insert the though, "awesome, there is The Eiffel Tower." You posses an image of the Eiffel Tower in your memory. You can use memory to create more detail on the image. It is a trick where you remember walking up to the tower, even though it is a created memory. In the dream you can also practice erasing images. Start small, just blurring out a small section. Remember, it is not real. Everything is just visual images created by a computer you ultimately can learn to control.
      The way this all goes together is like this: Paris is not on the other side of the door. There is no other side of the door (there is no spoon-Matrix). Go through the image of the door knowing the simulation will create Paris. If it is not erase any contrary image. Do not allow the though of failure to evolve. Think it did work. Visualize two lines forming the shape which you know is the tower, using the image stored in memory of the tower. If it still did not form refuse to let the thought evolve. Instead walk around thinking how cool it is that you are in Paris. If you see anything admire how like Paris it is (regardless of what is being seen.) Usually new images that fit the created story will emerge and you are in Paris.
      With years of practice tricks are not even needed, you can blur the visual field and create new images. Until then stop thinking of it as real at all. Realize it is a virtual image created by you. Practice controlling your brain as laid out in Dream Yoga in order to get the skill set needed to take that control.
      Now, at your level of training just know that is how it eventually works and go about the tricks you listed. they are good starting places.
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      Moonage daydream:

      Thanks for the advice. Thatís very interesting about the dream adapting to your wish. Iíve seen evidence of this working in other dreams. In a recent lucid I wanted to return to my childhood home and I looked everywhere for a door to transport me there. Whilst doing so I ended up in my childhood home without realising and was still looking for the door!? Itís funny when I reflect on it. So maybe thatís it and I just need to be more patient. Iíll keep practicing with doors as well and maybe give spinning a go. Iím worried it will just wake me up but worth a try.

      I have had a couple of really cool spontaneous DEILDs but I havenít yet managed to do one willingly. Iím able to wake and stay still with eyes closed but I struggle to stay focused and visualise my last dream. I end up focusing too much on been awake. Itís something Iím still working on. Do you have any tips for DEILDs?
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      Sivason:

      Thanks for the advice and encouragement, it gave me a nice confidence boost. Like you said Iím still very early in my journey so I appreciate things take time and patience. Grabbing hold and remembering my intents and goals when I become lucid is something Iíd like to improve on. Most of the time I can remember a goal when lucid but I may not be thinking with a clear head and make mistakes or go about long winded ways of achieving them which I wouldnít do if I was awake. I also focus a little too much on the negative assumption that ďThis wonít workĒ and of course when I do this it doesnít.

      I understand what youíre saying about belief and acknowledging everything in the dream is just an illusion. I managed to take your advice into a Lucid dream last night actually. I became lucid in a location I wanted to get out off. I saw a wall blocking my path and instead of seeing it as an obstacle I affirmed to myself ďnone of this is physical or realĒ and I was able to run straight through the wall as if it was a fine mist. I hope I can apply this to other aspects of dream control as well. Iíll try what you have suggested and imagine Iím already in the location I desire and hope the dream adapts to my wishes. Thanks again.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tiktaalik View Post
      I’m able to wake and stay still with eyes closed but I struggle to stay focused and visualise my last dream. I end up focusing too much on been awake. It’s something I’m still working on. Do you have any tips for DEILDs?
      This may seem contrary to your first instincts. The very most important thing is to fall asleep! You say struggle to stay focused, but you must not struggle or even stay focused. The very first way to 100% make sure a WILD or DEILD fail is to not fall asleep. It is almost impossible to fall asleep and stay focused. Focus activates the wakeful portion of your mind. What you are looking for is barely paying attention. The thing you focus on must be so basic it is far from stimulating. If you use the last dream as the focus do not think about the plot; do not try to remember what was happening. Say it was in a local park and such and such was happening and so and so was there, you can become too awake trying to FOCUS on that. Instead just daydream about walking in the park, picture small uninteresting things like it being warm. Let yourself fall asleep.
      Look into the idea of an Anchor. The general idea is something you can very loosely focus on that takes no thought. You need to have a small (very small) amount of awareness but it is a fine line. Too much awareness and sleep is elusive. One example of an anchor is counting. It is even too thought provoking and stimulating to count correctly. By that I mean you should not try to keep track and do it correctly. Keep the numbers simple, like counting just to 10 and starting over. If you loose your place do not try to remember where you at, just start again. Give it very low priority like listening to the wind. Another example is repeating a simple phrase. Same rules apply, do not focus, just barely stay aware. In the case of using the last dream, that is the anchor. Picturing yourself walking in a warm park in the fall is enough to stay aware, but trying to remember a plot or who is with you is over stimulating.
      Given the choice of failing because you loose awareness and fall into unconscious sleep or being to aware so sleep does not come, always error on the side of falling into sleep.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      This may seem contrary to your first instincts. The very most important thing is to fall asleep! You say struggle to stay focused, but you must not struggle or even stay focused. The very first way to 100% make sure a WILD or DEILD fail is to not fall asleep.

      Thanks for your response. That was very concise and cleared a few things up for me. I maybe used the wrong word when I said ďfocusĒ I understand the main goal is to fall asleep but I felt there was a need to prep my mind before doing so. I usually remind myself of my intention, recall my last dream and then repeat my mantra before I fall asleep but after doing so Iím usually wide awake and unable to do so. You suggest to focus on something minor and less stimulating instead. Iíve tried this with my breathing, a mantra and counting but all seem to keep me awake and too focused. This morning I tried repeating a simple mantra but I didnít focus on it too heavily. It worked as I fell asleep whilst doing so but I fell asleep without lucidity. I understand itís a balancing act and needs practice. So I will stick at it.

      As mentioned Iíve had two seemingly spontaneous DEILDs during my time and no idea how I achieved them? They both occurred in my first month of lucid dream practice but 5 months later, with more experience Iím yet to have another though there are a couple of my DILDs that are up for debate as I seemed to pop straight into the dream with full waking awareness which may have been a result of an unintentional WILD? I guess my question is do you always know when youíve had a successful WILD? My two DEILDs I entered into the dream fully aware of the process with no doubt at all and felt the usual audible, visual and physical hallucinations that come with a successful transition. I guess I expected WILD to always feel this way but is it more common to not experience these things?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tiktaalik View Post
      It worked as I fell asleep whilst doing so but I fell asleep without lucidity. I understand it’s a balancing act and needs practice. So I will stick at it.

      My two DEILDs I entered into the dream fully aware of the process with no doubt at all and felt the usual audible, visual and physical hallucinations that come with a successful transition. I guess I expected WILD to always feel this way but is it more common to not experience these things?
      Keep in mind that guys with 30+ years of training like me and Sageous claim to fail far more often than to succeed. I can not speak for Sageous, but I think he said a 1 in 10 success rate is not bad at all. I agree. In my best times when I do all the ground work I can sometimes succeed in one out of three or four, but if I am not doing the day work maybe 1 in 10. So you have a better idea of what you are attempting, now just attempt it hundreds of times. I use a snooze alarm on my phone to try over and over on some mornings.
      The entry into WILD can very different each time. It often involves a state where you go through levels of sleep, maybe seeing shapes or felling sensations. It can also be that you do not realize what has happened and suddenly are in a dream. You may get distracted and almost not be lucid, but you are more aware so you hopefully quickly figure out it is dream.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tiktaalik View Post
      I guess my question is do you always know when you’ve had a successful WILD?
      I hope you don't mind if I chime in. I think that a hallmark sign of a true WILD is that beautiful experience of "touching" the dream scene from the outside. Maybe you know what I mean? But, basically, there's a point in the WILD transition where you have to merge into the dream scene. You have do this gently or you will wake/lose the dream. If you remember doing that, then I would say, it's definitely a WILD.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Keep in mind that guys with 30+ years of training like me and Sageous claim to fail far more often than to succeed.
      I see, thatís comforting to know. In that case I may be getting ahead of myself. I have just reached my 6 month anniversary so I am still at beginner level here. My second lucid dream after beginning practice was a spontaneous DEILD/ WILD so I think my expectation that this could be achieved easily and regularly has stemmed from that one success. You also read other peoples success stories over and over again on this forum and start to believe itís much easier to do.

      As I mentioned a few of my DILDs have felt like I have popped into the dream lucid without a prior dream taking place so itís possible I have had WILDs that I wasnít fully aware of. I will keep trying but itís comforting to hear that Iím not necessarily doing something wrong and time, patience and practice will bring results.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      I hope you don't mind if I chime in. I think that a hallmark sign of a true WILD is that beautiful experience of "touching" the dream scene from the outside. Maybe you know what I mean? But, basically, there's a point in the WILD transition where you have to merge into the dream scene. You have do this gently or you will wake/lose the dream. If you remember doing that, then I would say, it's definitely a WILD.
      I have experienced this before. Once I was laid in bed trying to WILD, I lost concentration and suddenly I was at work and bumped into a random barrel which was just sat there? I looked down and noted it was odd then suddenly I was back laid in bed. Probably the closest Iíve got to what you describe. Iíve never managed to go all the way though and struggle to get to this point. My WILD experiences Both started as I exited a dream and was left in that blackness between sleep and wakefulness. As I drifted there I eventually felt an acceleration feeling as if I was been sucked into the dream through a portal of some kind and then I was just there. It was really interesting to experience.
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      Well it happened! I had a WILD/ DEILD last night! Not only that I changed the location! It wasnít a smooth transition into the dream and I was probably incredibly lucky but it was a major success and a big mile stone for me. Re-reading all the helpful messages in this thread prior to sleep probably helped a great deal so Iím delighted I started it. A lot of the advice I have received came in handy so Iím very thankful. If youíre interested in what happened, Iíve pasted my journal entry below.

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      I awoke after 5 hours of sleep as usual and did a short WBTB. I then tried to resume sleep whilst repeating my mantra but tried not to focus on it too much in the hope I would drift off whilst keeping that awareness. Sadly this failed miserably and I laid wide awake for nearly 2 hours! Too frustrated to continue, I gave in and just waited for sleep to come to me. Suddenly I found myself on a beach at night and Iím listening to the waves. A moment later Iím back in my bed awake? It was a quick moment but I was there, present in the dream. I then began to see hypnagogic imagery and knew The conditions were right. So I tried again to drift off with awareness but fell into an NLD instead. It didnít end here though. After a short NLD I awoke in an in between state between waking and sleep and before I knew what was happening I heard a telltale audio hallucination like a crackling radio in my ears and then my whole body tensed up and started to tremble and shake furiously as if I was having a fit or seizure! It was scary but I knew exactly what was happening as I had experienced it before. I did worry that I may actually be doing all this in bed right at that moment and My wife was going to wake up screaming and frightened at what was happening to me! She didnít of course and it was all an illusion and soon I became engulfed in a bright white light. I panic and try to form a dream and recall where I want to go but I canít think straight and worry Iíve missed the opportunity. Itís then I wake up back in my bed. Iím awake in the dark with my eyes open staring at my bedside table. I believe I have failed and thatís the end of it but then I feel it, a sense that something isnít quite right. I look at my bedside table and everything looks real but it feels off. So I attempt to get out of bed and as I do my duvet seems to wrap around me and engulf my body and face like a wave. I then feel myself lift in the air and come gently back down to the bed again. It creeps me out and feels like something demonic is doing this to me. Then I realise Iím no longer in my bedroom but an unfamiliar one. I try to get up but a man is now there holding me and trying to pull me back. Iím a bit confused and donít know what is happening at first but then I realise Iím Lucid right now and in a dream! I pull away from him and get off the bed. Knowing itís a dream Iím not frightened by this and remember my goal to change location. I recall an experiment I wanted to try in which I focus on the floor and repeat a mantra which will allow the dream to transition to where I want to be. I look at the carpet and begin ďIím in my childhood house, Iím in my childhood houseĒ I repeat. When I next look up the bed I got out of is still there and I assume it didnít work. I quickly exit through the door and try to believe it did work and this was my parents house. I open the door and Im over the moon to arrive at the top of the stairs in my childhood home!
      (I will stop here as the next part is me just exploring my old house and reminiscing but it was an extremely stable and vivid dream which I explored with great waking awareness. It only lasted 2-3 minutes but it was an amazing experience.)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tiktaalik View Post
      I look at the carpet and begin “I’m in my childhood house, I’m in my childhood house” I repeat. When I next look up the bed I got out of is still there and I assume it didn’t work. I quickly exit through the door and try to believe it did work and this was my parents house. I open the door and Im over the moon to arrive at the top of the stairs in my childhood home!
      (I will stop here as the next part is me just exploring my old house and reminiscing but it was an extremely stable and vivid dream which I explored with great waking awareness. It only lasted 2-3 minutes but it was an amazing experience.)
      Excellent!
      That is very exciting. Good job.
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