Thread: Lucid laws of physics...unbreakable.

Obviously they are not, but for me they are! The four times I have had lucid dreams, I was unable to do the ONE THING I really have always wanted to do. FLY. I got good at making things materialize out of thin air by thinking about them, and expecting to see them behind me, then turning around and seeing it. But I can't walk through walls, or fly! Ever since I was a little kid, I always wished to god I could just jump up in the air and fly without any technology or anything.

I got into lucid dreaming initially so that I could fullfill that dream. Now I see how much potential lucid dreaming has for helping me overcoming some of my worst fears. But I reallly want to be able to do it. I can't. Every time I try its just like if i tried to in the waking world. I jump up, and go right back down. Any suggestions?

--rain

Here's a tip I read that might help:

Since you can materialize objects easy, start by materializing a jetpack. Put it on, and use it to fly up. After you've flown around with this for a while, say to yourself, "This is a dream, this jetpack isn't real. Since it isn't real, it can't be making me fly, so I must be making myself fly." As you say it, believe it completely, remove the jetpack, and keep flying. After that, you should find it easier to fly on your own.

Oh wow, that'd be pretty cool Have you done this and has it worked for you before?

Originally Posted by Rainman

Oh wow, that'd be pretty cool Have you done this and has it worked for you before?

No, I'm not good at summoning objects, so I haven't tried it. I haven't managed to fly yet, only jump really high and glide.

I've had flying dreams ever since I was a kid so after I started lucid dreaming flying was never a problem but I do have a suggestion. I had a dream once where I started flying but once I was in the air the coat I was wearing was actually what was flying and I was just hanging loosely by the armpits and letting it go where ever it would take me. I've also had dreams where I was sitting on a flying cushion. Using this idea, you don't necessarily have to have a jetpack, but just any object or article of clothing that you just decide can make you fly.

Also. many times I've had dreams where I didn't start out flying but just running so fast that I was able to just bend my knees and take my legs off the ground and continue floating. Its all about convincing yourself that you can do it. In a dream, once you truly believe something is possible, it is, so whatever it takes for you to be sure of that is the best way to do it.

I think you're trying to hard to fly. Let go, a little. Don't try so hard.
Run, then jump up, then run, jump up a little higher. See where that takes you.

It's all about believing you can do it.

Good luck.

Also, I've learned that you could grow yourself a pair of wings. Or, instead, try starting off, say on a dragon, and when you are in the air run and jump off in the direction it is flying. If that doesn't work and you find yourself falling, try making the clouds (assuming there are any) move from in front of you to behind you (you moving forward) instead of them moving from below to above (like they would when you fall).

i wish you luck,
wolven deer

You expect the laws of physics to win when you attempt to fly, so your mind takes that expectation and makes it real in your dreams. Do not underestimate the power of expectation when lucid dreaming, since if you expect that flying is hard, then your dream will make it hard for you. In my last LD, I flew quite easily, all because when I wanted to fly, I simply recalled the feeling I got from a non-lucid dream in which I flew, and by imagining that feeling all over again, I simply began soaring into the sky. Sometimes, simply letting go all the 'bonds' of reality and feeling them slip off you like unlocked, heavy manacles might be enough to give you a kickstart. Experiment and see which way gets you to fly the best.

Hey thanks a lot I had an LD last night and a jumped into the air and just tried to see if I could sustain how long I was in the air, and I did! Now I've just gotta fly. I feel like LDing is like the Matrix. "he is begining to believe"

Ok so maybe that makes me a dork.

Hahaha, nice man. I think I'm gonna get myself a nimbus cloud though. Like the one from Dragon Ball. That'd be pretty cool. I think Oneironaut would like that idea aswell :p

Originally Posted by Rainman

Hey thanks a lot I had an LD last night and a jumped into the air and just tried to see if I could sustain how long I was in the air, and I did! Now I've just gotta fly. I feel like LDing is like the Matrix. "he is begining to believe"

Ok so maybe that makes me a dork.

If it helps to get you to fly... then 'believe'!

P.S. I'm also a bit of a Matrix nut ... I even have Agents appear in my dreams from time to time... guess that's makes me a dork as well!

Now that's pretty awesome. Is it possible to teach yourself martial arts in a dream? or teach yourself how to do something, and then remember how to do it in the waking world? Mannn imagine the uper hand I'd have on all the other piano players if I could practice in my sleep literally. ROFL.

Originally Posted by Rainman

Now that's pretty awesome. Is it possible to teach yourself martial arts in a dream? or teach yourself how to do something, and then remember how to do it in the waking world? Mannn imagine the uper hand I'd have on all the other piano players if I could practice in my sleep literally. ROFL.

Yes, in your lucid dreams, you can 'construct' situations which then allows you to practice whatever you want. Whether its speaking in front of a crowd, or putting yourself into a situation where you must use your martial arts training to defend yourself... the only limit is the limit of your imagination really... (corny, yes... but I had to say it )

If you can get so that you successfully fly every time using a specific action or object, you'll grow more confident. When I was a kid I would always have to run as fast as I could and jump to fly and it always had a sort of kite/paper airplane effect in that if I didn't catch the right updraft I would fly for a few seconds and then come crashing down but eventually I got to where I could fly every time using that method and then eventually was accustomed enough to it that I could just take off superman style from a stand still and go roaring in to the upper atmosphere.

The purpose of using an object or a motion is that you have to trick your own logic. You obviously don't think its possible to fly, but in a dream your logic becomes fuzzy (like being high) so that its not that hard to convince yourself that maybe if I just had this baseball bat, it would help me fly...

Then once you accomplish that you can think about it a little more rationally and do the "its not that magic item, it was just me all along" routine.

edit: Also, it seems silly to quote the matrix, but that whole movie pretty much applies to lucid dreaming so remember morpheus; "Don't think you can, know you can"

Try using techniques you've learned in the media. In one of my lucids, for instance, I took off the Neo way: Sending a pulse through the earth that propelled me straight up. In another two (or more) lucids, I used the Mario 64 way: hop once, twice, three times and you're soaring!

The second technique did have a unique after effect: a mix between the wing cap tune and star road tune from the 64 games began playing!

I suggest starting from the ground up, rather than jumping off of somewhere high. Without proper confidence, your dream could end prematurely!

Also, try asking a dream character for help. Aside from a few rude/stubborn chaps I've encountered, most DCs will do/say what you want.

I suggest throwing yourself off a cliff or tall building. (never thought I'd hear myself saying that)

Motivation can be important. Say, if you're have a nightmare you want to get away from. Best if you do it without thinking about it too much.

For clues to your hurdle read the following statements made by yourself:

Originally Posted by Rainman

Lucid laws of physics...unbreakable.
Obviously they are not, but for me they are!

As others have said, a defeatist attitude is the first step towards failure.

Remember that each LD is a new experience. You cannot judge the possibilities of one by the events of those before it. You already know that anything is possible in a dream (lucid dream, in this case). So, take the knowledge of no boundaries and adopt that as your new attitude.

You will succeed the next time you try because there's nothing holding you back - literally. If you know that and accept that as fact you have torn down your greatest obstacle. There's no room for doubt. Remember, it's the magical world of dreams we're talking about here. Never let lucid failures taint your views of what's possible and achievable.

Think of it this way: Say you're trying to throw a basketball through a hoop. If you miss the first few tries are you going to start thinking that you can't do it? Of course not. You're going to always know that it's only a matter of throwing it until you get your aim and arc down correctly. You know full well that it's possible, your arc is just off a little bit.

In reality, sinking that basket is no different than breaking the laws of physics in a dream. It's only that dreams are intangible that it seems to be so.