Thread: OOBE's proved wrong

http://youtube.com/watch?v=714AS39CQ_I

I knew it, there's no such thing as Near Death or Out of Body experiences.

Apparently all they are, are extremely vivid and dreamlike delusional hallucinations due to nutrient and blood loss from the brain. So... the ultimate lucid dreams.

Try searching for 'God Proved Wrong' videos. Im sure theres a few also

Yeah I completely agree with that video. It was a little disturbing to see all those people pass out though.

And anyway, it's even called "near" death experiences. That's all they are. They aren't called "death experiences after which people have been brought back to life."

Meh I'm tired.

my very first LD was an OBE and it scared the fkn shit out of me

Think, you can not PROVE lucid dreams exist! I defy you to prove lucid dreams exist! If you believe in something that outlandish why doubt those who say they do have OOBE?

Originally Posted by sivason

Think, you can not PROVE lucid dreams exist! I defy you to prove lucid dreams exist! If you believe in something that outlandish why doubt those who say they do have OOBE?

Actually you can show that you can be given a task and remember to do that task once you are asleep. LaBerge did experiments where he made up some eye movement patterns for his subjects to do, and they remembered to do them once they were asleep. He was able to see their physical eyes move in those patterns while the subject was asleep.

Originally Posted by Swank

Try searching for 'God Proved Wrong' videos. Im sure theres a few also

Ha! You can't prove God wrong or right. It's something called faith. It's the way God meant it to be. Humans will never know for sure if there is or isn't a God. There is no way to prove it. Now, I know there is a God, but it's not because it's been proven. It's because I have faith.

Holy resurrecting threads from yesteryear.

That said, OOBEs are easy to prove.... if they're real. Just have an OOBEer walk their soul into the next room to read a message, or just see what object is on a table or some such, which they couldn't see with their physical eyes. Or have them relay a secret message to another OOBEer. Tah Da!!! OOBEs proven real. Why hasn't this been done? Conspiracy? Can OOBEs not be done for a scientific study for some reason?

Originally Posted by jsmith65

Ha! You can't prove God wrong or right. It's something called faith. It's the way God meant it to be. Humans will never know for sure if there is or isn't a God. There is no way to prove it. Now, I know there is a God, but it's not because it's been proven. It's because I have faith.

That's a terrible answer. What makes faith more real then unable to prove god's real or not? there is no answer, not even faith can give you an answer, it's just your bias. What good is bias? you want a real answer, not just an answer to satisfy yourself untill your faith runs out.

I've had lucid dreams for as long as I can remember and up untill about 4 years ago I now occasionally have OBE's. The experience of waking up as your going through sleep paralysis and then slowly projecting has to be experienced first hand to understand. My thoughts on this subject change all the time but at the moment this is what I believe happens..

When we dream, we go into slee paralysis and dream and sometimes things can become triggers and you become lucid within that dream. However... if you wake up during paralysis (mentally) then you can go iether way.. if you let yourself go, you'll find youself slipping into a dream but if you consciously decided to try and project during sleep paralysis, you'll find that you'll be able to go the other way. A lot of it boils down to when you become aware and where you want to go with it.

Originally Posted by llclarkyll

I've had lucid dreams for as long as I can remember and up untill about 4 years ago I now occasionally have OBE's. The experience of waking up as your going through sleep paralysis and then slowly projecting has to be experienced first hand to understand. My thoughts on this subject change all the time but at the moment this is what I believe happens..

When we dream, we go into slee paralysis and dream and sometimes things can become triggers and you become lucid within that dream. However... if you wake up during paralysis (mentally) then you can go iether way.. if you let yourself go, you'll find youself slipping into a dream but if you consciously decided to try and project during sleep paralysis, you'll find that you'll be able to go the other way. A lot of it boils down to when you become aware and where you want to go with it.

omg this is exactly how I lucid dream!! It's how I've always done it!!
It's as if your going out of body when you project, but its only the
way you initiate the LD!
You cant know how happy I am that someone else does it like me!
I was beginning to feel like a 'freak LDer'! lol
The only thing i am not clear on though, is if you think youre actually
out of body or just initiating a lucid dream this way?

Originally Posted by mini0991

What would prove OBEs wrong once and for all is selecting a random playing card, putting it down on a glass table, inducing one, and then looking under the table in your OBE to see what card it is. Wake up, and see what the card really was.

You only have a 1 in 52 chance of it being correct, because OBEs do not exist.

lol

Originally Posted by sivason

Think, you can not PROVE lucid dreams exist! I defy you to prove lucid dreams exist! If you believe in something that outlandish why doubt those who say they do have OOBE?

What's so difficult about believing in a dream?
People can believe in lucid dreaming because you are saying it is just a dream,
and that's believable. OOBE's are unbelievable and fall into the realm of the
supernatural.

Originally Posted by jsmith65

Ha! You can't prove God wrong or right. It's something called faith. It's the way God meant it to be. Humans will never know for sure if there is or isn't a God. There is no way to prove it. Now, I know there is a God, but it's not because it's been proven. It's because I have faith.

Since we want to sling religious things around over here... how about you look up Hebrews 11:1.

Originally Posted by Hebrews 11:1

"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld"

Notice the words 'assured' and 'evident', indicating some level of evidence to lead you to believe it, not some gut feeling just because it makes you feel good or correct.
Your definition of faith is a bit flawed, even by the Bible's standards
Nice try though

lol that doesn't prove OBEs wrong, it just says that people have extremly vivid dreams at certain states.

What would prove OBEs wrong once and for all is selecting a random playing card, putting it down on a glass table, inducing one, and then looking under the table in your OBE to see what card it is. Wake up, and see what the card really was.

You only have a 1 in 52 chance of it being correct, because OBEs do not exist.

Originally Posted by jsmith65

Ha! You can't prove God wrong or right. It's something called faith. It's the way God meant it to be. Humans will never know for sure if there is or isn't a God. There is no way to prove it. Now, I know there is a God, but it's not because it's been proven. It's because I have faith.

So you don't find the whole "faith" thing a tad convenient then?

As far as I'm concerned, every weird or paranormal happening can be
explained by LDs or SP. Alien abduction, ghosts, OOBE all of that. When
I was little I saw an apparition fly through my bedroom wall and out through
the other wall. It scared the crap out of me at the time! The next day I put
it down to a very weird real dream, because even when I was small, I
tended to look at things logically. I know now that I saw this apparition
during a SP episode. If I'd known what it was then, I could have projected
my body out of my real body and started a lucid dream. I always project
my (dream body) out of my real body when I begin a lucid dream. It feels
so real, as if my spirit is leaving my body, that I even did a few experiments
to make sure they were not....a long long time ago. I start from my bed
and I can look and see my real body still lying there. I'm always in my
bedroom and in my house. I challenge all people who believe they are
really having a true OOBE to look around carefully. Things are a little off.
Maybe no curtains on the windows where there should be some, color
scheme can be off, things are not where they should be. And heres
something else I've wondered about people who believe in OOB. When
you are experiencing them, can you do whatever you want to?? Like, can
you make it rain, or can you morph?? That right there is proof enough for
me that it is a lucid dream. Anyway, next time, take a very careful look
around.

Originally Posted by lvlindless

http://youtube.com/watch?v=714AS39CQ_I

I knew it, there's no such thing as Near Death or Out of Body experiences.

Apparently all they are, are extremely vivid and dreamlike delusional hallucinations due to nutrient and blood loss from the brain. So... the ultimate lucid dreams.

weird I just used that term ultimate lucid dream..

anyway, sounds like science proved that OBEs do exist

and anyway, just like God just being in our brains... it's all stupid, because just because science shows that there is a scientific explanation it doesn't mean God or out-of-body experiences don't have spiritual relevence... duh?

OBEs aren't proof of the afterlife and they are like dreams, but I believe both could have spiritual significance

Penn and Teller are hypocrites too...
they say people bank off of OBE accounts, but they're the ones "out to make a buck", making a big pretentious statement that OBEs are "BULLSHIT". Because they know it means something to people, and it doesn't to them (because they half think it) and they profit off the big stink of "debunking spirituality".

These guys make athiests look really bad.

Originally Posted by jamous

Penn and Teller are hypocrites too...
they say people bank off of OBE accounts, but they're the ones "out to make a buck", making a big pretentious statement that OBEs are "BULLSHIT". Because they know it means something to people, and it doesn't to them (because they half think it) and they profit off the big stink of "debunking spirituality".

These guys make athiests look really bad.

They have to pay the bills too

Originally Posted by lvlindless

They have to pay the bills too

Penn and Teller? They don't need any more money. Not that they don't have a right or anything.

They are just major hypocrites.

Originally Posted by jamous

Penn and Teller are hypocrites too...
they say people bank off of OBE accounts, but they're the ones "out to make a buck", making a big pretentious statement that OBEs are "BULLSHIT". Because they know it means something to people, and it doesn't to them (because they half think it) and they profit off the big stink of "debunking spirituality".

These guys make athiests look really bad.

Indeed.

I don't have a formed opinion in this matter but when I want scientific research I'll ask real scientists, instead of getting my answers from some pseudo-intellectual illusionists.

That's doesn't really prove OBEs and NDE wrong, but it proves those certain situations wrong, in the film.

Funny how people think they know what's supposed to happen when you die, and what's not supposed to happen. They have never died before, what do they know? I call "Bullshit" on his "Bullshit" unless he's actually died.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Funny how people think they know what's supposed to happen when you die, and what's not supposed to happen. They have never died before, what do they know? I call "Bullshit" on his "Bullshit" unless he's actually died.

He doesn't need to die himself to prove these people wrong He's not trying to show what is on "the other side", rather what happens to us when we're barely alive.