Thread: Parents think LDing is an occult...

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

He has several blog posts going over different mind states. I've currently only looked at the post on Lucid Dreaming and "Uberman's Sleep Schedule", where you achieve 22-hour days and live off of 4 naps, each 20-minutes long. You're training your body to slip directly into REM sleep during those naps. Like I said before, I haven't looked into the other 4 states just yet, but LDing was one of his posts.

Oh wow, that sounds really intense. Is it actually possible? Even for someone who normally needs 8-9 hours of sleep per night?

Originally Posted by Hidden

Oh wow, that sounds really intense. Is it actually possible? Even for someone who normally needs 8-9 hours of sleep per night?

Yea, but it is unhealthy in my opinion, and if the only reason you are doing it is for more lucid dreams, you need to re-evaluate your priorities (Atleast thats how I feel about it.)

Besides, I like my 8 hours of sleep.

Originally Posted by Exdream

Yea, but it is unhealthy in my opinion, and if the only reason you are doing it is for more lucid dreams, you need to re-evaluate your priorities (Atleast thats how I feel about it.)

Besides, I like my 8 hours of sleep.

I agree with you. Lucid dreaming should be a pass time, not an obsession. I'm not saying it's bad for some people to obsess over it, that's just the way some people are, but there should be a limit. Giving a full nights sleep just to have a lucid dream is a little much, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

I agree with you. Lucid dreaming should be a pass time, not an obsession. I'm not saying it's bad for some people to obsess over it, that's just the way some people are, but there should be a limit. Giving a full nights sleep just to have a lucid dream is a little much, in my opinion.

Same here Lucid Dreaming should be a hobby not a lifestyle.

My mum's trying to stop me... She's saying it's going to make me tired. LOL.

Originally Posted by Kabloom

My mum's trying to stop me... She's saying it's going to make me tired. LOL.

You can't deny her logic, sleeping tends to make people tired.

Try to explain it to her and if she still disagrees just do it in secret. This is your choice, not hers.

Originally Posted by Kabloom

My mum's trying to stop me... She's saying it's going to make me tired. LOL.

*double facepalm*

I remember that I told my mom about it, and I told her to do a reality check every 10 min or so, and instead of saying "Your crazy!" she said " I don't think I'll remember to do that." I was totally happy she didn't go crazy mom

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

You can't deny her logic, sleeping tends to make people tired.

Try to explain it to her and if she still disagrees just do it in secret. This is your choice, not hers.

There's everyone's answer right there. They can't stop you from what goes on inside of your head, lol

Originally Posted by ReachingForTheDream

There's everyone's answer right there. They can't stop you from what goes on inside of your head, lol

Well they could find your dream joural and burn it. They could wake you up every time you enter rem they could also block the DV website and when you go insane from no rem they would think that it would've been better to just let you LD. LOL

Dammit brady..

Originally Posted by jarrhead

Dammit brady..

Huh? What?

now they know how to stop us if they see this!

Originally Posted by jarrhead

now they know how to stop us if they see this!

LOL

i Request a delete.

Well, I just don't talk about it to people I don't know can handle it. Lucid dreaming is natural. Nothing occult about it, unless you do occult things in relation to lucid dreaming, as with anything else...

Originally Posted by jarrhead

i Request a delete.

I don't think anyone would go to that exstent to stop you from LDing. I was just thinking of the only way they could stop you. The people against LDing probably don't even know what REM is. (Rapid Eye Movement when dreams occur, eyes move rapidly and happends at the end of a sleep cycle.) Oops LOL.

Originally Posted by Exdream

Yea, but it is unhealthy in my opinion, and if the only reason you are doing it is for more lucid dreams, you need to re-evaluate your priorities (Atleast thats how I feel about it.)

Besides, I like my 8 hours of sleep.

You think I'd do it just for lucid dreaming? Do you understand how incredibly inconvenient having to nap every four hours is? I wouldn't make such a big change just to have better dreams.

I find the idea intriguing. I'd do it to have more time in a day, and to see if I have the self-discipline to pull it off. And something about having days with no definite beginnings or ends appeals to me. Of course, I couldn't fit it into my regular school schedule, but I'd like to try it over the summer.

Whether or not something is unhealthy isn't an opinion; it either is or isn't. Every source I've found has said that there haven't been any studies done on the long-term effects of using this sleep cycle. The main risk is going into it not knowing what all the possible risks are. I'm not saying it's safe, just that as far as people know it hasn't hurt anyone yet.

If I'm going to do this, I'm definitely going to research it more and come up with some sort of plan. I told my mom about it, and she thought it sounded cool. The only thing she said about its safety was that if I start hallucinating she's going to step in. Which is a bit ironic, since one of my first thoughts when considering actually trying it was, "if I start hallucinating, I'll know it's time to stop."

Believe it or not, its application in lucid dreaming was more of an afterthought for me.

Originally Posted by Hidden

Oh wow, that sounds really intense. Is it actually possible? Even for someone who normally needs 8-9 hours of sleep per night?

Originally Posted by Exdream

Yea, but it is unhealthy in my opinion, and if the only reason you are doing it is for more lucid dreams, you need to re-evaluate your priorities (Atleast thats how I feel about it.)

Besides, I like my 8 hours of sleep.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

I agree with you. Lucid dreaming should be a pass time, not an obsession. I'm not saying it's bad for some people to obsess over it, that's just the way some people are, but there should be a limit. Giving a full nights sleep just to have a lucid dream is a little much, in my opinion.

Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-hoa!! Uberman's Sleep Schedule and Lucid Dreaming are two ENTIRELY separate things!! The main reason I didn't look into the sleep schedule was because I wanted to try Lucid Dreaming, and didn't find having 20-minute REM naps to be a good idea to mix with experiments of LDing.

(Also, @Exdream, your opinion is based on your perception of it. Unless you do research into it, I'd suggest not immediately labelling it as "unhealthy" unless you have some facts. While I see where you might get that IDEA, if you take the time to read Vlad Dolezal's blog posting on it, he cites a man who tried it out to see if it worked - and it worked. For many months on end. The only reason he stopped was due to a change in his life that wouldn't allow for a nap every four hours, which I imagine would be a job or college schedule. So, it's doable and healthy, from the evidence I've seen thus far.)


Lucid dreaming shouldn't be an obsession. I enjoy the idea of it and continue to pursue it until I get to the point where I can enjoy the benefits of being able to properly induce LDs for myself fairly regularly if I so choose to, but it's not the reason I sleep. This involvement with LDing and paying attention to my sleep schedule has improved my awareness of my sleep, so if anything it's helped me stay a little more healthy in terms of getting enough sleep and knowing whether or not I've gotten enough sleep, instead of just guessing if I've had enough.

And lastly, Filimonki's got it right - use your own judgement and common sense to know when and to whom you present LDing to someone. Not everyone will have the same negative reaction, but then again, not everyone will have the same positive reaction either.

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

I don't think anyone would go to that exstent to stop you from LDing. I was just thinking of the only way they could stop you. The people against LDing probably don't even know what REM is. (Rapid Eye Movement when dreams occur, eyes move rapidly and happends at the end of a sleep cycle.) Oops LOL.

Ahaha the thought of someone trying to stop a lucid! How ridiculous! It's like they push on the dreamer's eyes with their fingers or something lol... I don't think so...

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Ahaha the thought of someone trying to stop a lucid! How ridiculous! It's like they push on the dreamer's eyes with their fingers or something lol... I don't think so...

That would be funny though.

There's probly some dumb ass parent out there who's tried it ha ha

I remember back when I first started at like 12, and my mom thought the same thing but, my dad was like nah I get those like 4 times a week.

So no problems ever again not that they really cared, Plus it's cool I found out my dads a natural even with all his sleeping problems, sleep apnea messed up schedule. ect.

Occult;

the word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden".

I definitely consider lucid dreaming an occult practice