It's actually not so certain whether or not there is other life in the universe, let alone our galaxy. |
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I'm assuming most logically minded people think there probably are extra-terrestrials some where so my question is have they passed by, contacted or influenced Earth? |
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Last edited by Omnis Dei; 09-17-2011 at 06:42 AM.
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It's actually not so certain whether or not there is other life in the universe, let alone our galaxy. |
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It seems like you assume that if any humans were to have been contacted by aliens you (or any common individual) would necessarily know about it. I would guess that this is most likely not the case. |
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I don't see why that's so. If they want to tell us something, or just make us aware of their presence, I imagine they'd just say it. It seems rather anthropocentric to suggest they'd have an interest in any particular individual, or group. |
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We can't be certain that there is life on other planets, there is no observable evidence, but I think the chances of there not being any are almost virtual. I'd lean toward extraterrestrial life probably not visiting earth based on modern human physical theories. |
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The problem is that we don't know how many separate factors are required for complex life, and doubling the number of factors does not halve the probability, but actually squares it. |
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I think to approach the matter in this way is fallacious. You're making the assumption that the only reason aliens would make contact is to "make themselves known", for all we know it's no more probable for alien contact to be ambassadorial in nature than it is for it to be of rogue interests or merely accidental. |
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- Are you an idiot?
- No sir, I'm a dreamer.
Why would they want to act as ambassadors to politicians? Why would they care? Just announce your peaceful intentions to the world, no need to go through a bunch of bureaucrats. |
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They wouldn't want to be taken to our leaders - especially if they're here for better working conditions. |
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To me it seems anthropocentric to assume we know anything about the motives of extraterrestrials. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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Right, so assuming they'd have some bias for a particular group of humans is not sensible. |
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We do know bout being aliens visiting a new world. We came, we saw, we kicked everybody's ass. Seems to be the universal way. |
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Well, considering we were contemplating the contingency of their actually having visited us, that's one motive we can rule out. |
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If the life of the Earth were spread out over 100 meters, human civilisation would constitute the last fifth of a millimetre. The technical mathematical term for the probability that aliens happened to find our bounteous world during this period is 'lolnope'. |
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If a giant UFO flew over a city for thousands to see, would you know about it? You'd think that kind of news would make global headlines. |
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Why? There are too many unknowns to be able to know what these aliens might be capable of. Perhaps they are extradimensional beings that could constantly monitor our planet 'at a distance'. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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And perhaps there is an invisible race of faun-like creatures living among us. There is zero point in any such discussion, as far as I can tell. |
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Firstly, whether or not there are aliens in the observable universe, or even in space ten times to size of the observable universe... That's still such a small sample of what existence is it doesn't really matter how small you make the probability that life can't repeat itself, it's still not zero. |
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Last edited by Omnis Dei; 09-17-2011 at 06:42 AM.
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How many self-replicating information-preserving molecules do you know of other than nucleic acids..? |
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Tell that to the people living now who believe they have already been contacted by those sorts of beings. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 09-17-2011 at 05:32 AM.
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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Occam's razor. Because we can't find the end, it's simpler to believe the universe has no end than imagine a wall. Occam's razor also points toward aliens existing. It's much simpler to imagine we aren't the only mistake in this vast thing than try to fathom how an occurrence like this happens only once. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Occam's razor really isn't a stringent inference, especially in situations like these where 'simplicity' is an very ill-defined term. An infinite universe could equally be said to be a lot more complex than a finite one. Not that I'm saying I believe the universe is finite; but you can't really form any kind of conclusion at all about it. In the second case a similar argument would argue that there are many other Jim Careys throughout the universe; it's a simpler assumption than the idea that he could just happen once by mistake. |
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Phoenix lights is also only one event, although it being witnessed by thousands, including the governor, makes it stand out. There are countless U.F.O reports from very credible people. The Belgium U.F.O waved had many black triangle craft both observed by hundreds of people on the ground, as well as tracked on radar with jets scrambled after them. |
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