Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

Compassion and a clear mind. Any other questions?

Originally Posted by Xei

I'm not saying they're idiots, I'm saying stop treating them as sages about things they didn't know about

Once again. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE A THREAD CONCERNING WHETHER OR NOT 2012 WILL HAPPEN. So listening to the sages of the Mayans has nothing to do with this thread. You asked what is the 2012 prophesy based on, and I answered. There is nothing to debate about unless you think my source of understanding the Mayan people and their beliefs concerning 2012 is incorrect.

The Mayan people are still alive. They knew the spanish conquistadors would rip their culture apart. They quickly gave some of their most sacred artifacts to the Hopi to protect - which the Hopi elders today claim they have done so successfully and still have Mayan artifacts that have yet to be revealed.

The Mayan priesthood continued to practice their culture even when catholicism was forced on them. While anthropologists think they know better on Mayan culture - the living Mayans today ask anthropologists to get the story from the actual indigenous people who continued their culture through oral traditions. Yes its true they lost a lot of their knowledge. But they also retained a lot of beliefs and practices that academia did not know about becuase they did so in secret (only revealing recently)

Our days correspond to the planet rotating once, during which the sun makes a full cycle of the sky. Our years correspond to the Earth going round the sun once. You may have noticed this also corresponds exactly to the cycles of the seasons. How on Earth is this 'not related to true reality';

How many people imagine that a month is a box with a lot of squares ? Our western concept of time tends to be linear rather than cyclical. And while months were originally named after the moon - most of us have no idea when a full moon is going to occur because months don't accurately follow the cycle of the moon. Really, when we decide to end a month is completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with any cycle observed in nature. You don't find this in the Mayan calenders. If a calender ends on a specific day, it ends because of a cycle observed in nature.

What part of nature does the Mayan cycle correspond to? Don't tell me 'natural cycles'; I asking what specific natural cycle, and some examples of it.

It's said they have something like 20 calenders. Each one will be based off a different cycle observed in nature. Whether its the human body - the moon - the stars - or growing season. I don't see why I need to give you specifics.

I looked up what modern scholars of the Mayan texts say.

Well there's your first problem. Find out from the Mayans. Look up Cirilo Perez Oxlaj.

Mark Van Stone, a Mayan scholar, says "there is nothing in the Maya or Aztec or ancient Mesoamerican prophecy to suggest that they prophesied a sudden or major change of any sort in 2012. The notion of a "Great Cycle" coming to an end is completely a modern invention". Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Florida, says "to render Dec. 21, 2012 as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting is a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Well good. It is a fabrication. Cirilo Perez Oxlaj says so himself. That said - it is about a cycle ending and a new cycle beginning. And its extremely significant for the reasons I stated in that first post. As for cosmic shifting - Cirilo does belief something amazing will happen to humanity - but neither he nor the other elder priests state that it happens on December 21st 2012. That date simply marks the official new sun cycle. The actual transition into the new cycle, in terms of its significance, started at least five years ago and can last another five years. You can relate this to the holiday season even though the holidays are still on specific dates. But instead of a span of weeks - we are talking years.

Do you have any historical evidence of these 'wheels of time' and their use?

I don't understand you. You come here arguing, and what exactly are you arguing about? You're not making any sense to me. Mayan wheels of time is academically known. If you don't know this, then what are you here to argue about?



This is the Mayan long count that ends on December 21 2012. As artistic as it looks, its actually a mathematical artifact. And no I don't have to prove that to you, just google it yourself, there are plenty of educational books that teach how the calender works.

This image illustrates why Mayan calenders are called "wheels"



The smaller shorter calenders interlock with the longer lengths of time - making the long count the most complex and complete of the Mayan calenders - a calender that spans apx. 26,000 years. Mind you, ours only spans 365 days.

Originally Posted by tommo

What would you guys want in a survival pack for 2012? I'm gonna start selling them on eBay....

A bowie knife and penicilin

Would you take fake penicillin if you didn't know it was fake?

I'll take a large backpack full of asprin for my 2012 survival pack. That's all i need....MOAR DRUGZ!! because i hate headaches.

Originally Posted by tommo

Would you take fake penicillin if you didn't know it was fake?

I would snort some to make sure it was real

I thought inner sanctum got shut down already?

Here's a video posted by our Tommo about the real history of human beings

2012 The TRUTH You're NOT Being TOLD Part 2 (Full Length 88min) - YouTube

Just give it five minutes and you'll be hooked

EDIT: Also here's part one of the hilarity. This one hooks you in 3 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAE0Z...eature=related

ummmmm...... ok....... <<<<<<<< completely fucking confused.

Cause he's australian.

All Australians = me. That was so obscure lol

Originally Posted by juroara

The smaller shorter calenders interlock with the longer lengths of time - making the long count the most complex and complete of the Mayan calenders - a calender that spans apx. 26,000 years. Mind you, ours only spans 365 days.

Our calendar only spans 365 days? So you're saying that we have no way of distinguishing between November 19 of this year and November 19 of 37 years from now?

Agreed completely. Our calander is capable of describing time of infinite extent...

The only problem I have with our calendar is that we are in the year 2011. When it should really be 4,600,002,011.

Mayan calendar did not require a leap year like ours does. It was more accurate.

No I think that is because days are shorter and longer, so we need the leap year. We sort of just make up for it all at a certain time to get back to normal. At least I think that's why.
Did the Mayans have it worked out so this is unnecessary? Or did their calendar/time slowly become wrong?

The year is over 5 hours longer than our calendar keeps track. This is why we have leap year. To make matters worse, we actually latch on more days than just one every four, but the others are much more spread out taking several generations.

The Mayan method of time keeping is a natural method, tuned in to the cycles of the earth, moon, sun and galaxy. We transplanted these natural cycles onto an inaccurate recording method, adopting 12 months instead of 13 with a rigid time format that does not adjust to the reality of the bodies they're tracking. Furthermore, the long count could be used to track our position in the galaxy and count time down until the next renewal.

I checked in to ask peeps how they think the Egyptian military's crackdown on protesters fits into the whole 2012 thing?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Mayan calendar did not require a leap year like ours does. It was more accurate.

Our calendar is based on

- cycles of the Earth on its axis, and
- cycles of the Earth about the sun,

and is exact.

I suppose the Mayans knew about the precession of the equinoxes? Edit: oh, and they knew about the rotation of galaxies too, awesome. This would be technologically incredible so please give one piece of historical evidence.

Originally Posted by tommo

No I think that is because days are shorter and longer, so we need the leap year. We sort of just make up for it all at a certain time to get back to normal. At least I think that's why.

What the... basic astronomy?

A day is how long it takes for the Earth to spin around. The Earth is not constantly accelerating and decelerating, this length of time is always 24 hours. The amount of time we can see the sun through the day changes throughout because of the Earth's tilt.

Any calendar with years and days needs leap years, because the Earth does not spin around a whole number of times when it orbits the Sun once. It's close to 365 ¼, so every four years has 365*4 + 1 days.

Their architexture is designed to take into account the equinox. Honestly if you're trying to deny the mayan's understood the equinox or the movement of constellations you're swimming up a waterfall. Read fucking ANYTHING about ancient ruins in south america. Granted, I don't expect you to be very informed about the subject since you consider the Gregorian Calendar to be exact. Open a book some time.

We do not use the Gregorian calendar for the same reason that we do not use the Julian calendar and we do not just use 365 days per year.

I did not ask about the equinox or the movement of constellations, I asked about the precession of the equinoxes and the rotation of galaxies. I searched a relatively detailed website but it didn't mention anything.

Nearly every ancient temple in the world is designed to react to the equinox. Some refract light in interesting ways, others show new shadows. Either way, these temples were created for the specific purpose of tracking the equinox. I don't know what website you went to but I've personally visited Machu Picchu and Chicen Itza. But it's not just those temples, this mystery repeats itself at The Pyramid of Giza and Teotihuacan.

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles. Also, if you use Giza to set the vertical divide, it divides the world's landmasses nearly exactly in half.

It doesn't end there, the builders of the pyramids also already had the metric system. Pi and the Golden Number show up frequently throughout the pyramids if you measure it in meters and the proportions of the pyramid are consistent with pi and the golden number.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Nearly every ancient temple in the world is designed to react to the equinox. Some refract light in interesting ways, others show new shadows. Either way, these temples were created for the specific purpose of tracking the equinox. I don't know what website you went to but I've personally visited Machu Picchu and Chicen Itza. But it's not just those temples, this mystery repeats itself at The Pyramid of Giza and Teotihuacan.

I know that many works of ancient architecture are aligned with the equinoxes, it's an extremely common theme. How is it a mystery? The equinoxes are very easy to observe and construct buildings around, and the sun was the central theme to agricultural peoples so it was seen as being worth the attention. It's not related to my question.

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles. Also, if you use Giza to set the vertical divide, it divides the world's landmasses nearly exactly in half.

It doesn't end there, the builders of the pyramids also already had the metric system. Pi and the Golden Number show up frequently throughout the pyramids if you measure it in meters and the proportions of the pyramid are consistent with pi and the golden number.

Was this supposed to compensate for not answering the galaxy question or something..?

And I'm not sure what you think the metric system is but metres are just as arbitrary as yards. There would also of course be a large number of historical artefacts with metre markings on them, for measuring. And no doubt you can back up your claims about pi and phi with... anything?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles.

The poles move every year dude.

Originally Posted by Xei

I know that many works of ancient architecture are aligned with the equinoxes, it's an extremely common theme. How is it a mystery? The equinoxes are very easy to observe and construct buildings around, and the sun was the central theme to agricultural peoples so it was seen as being worth the attention. It's not related to my question.


Was this supposed to compensate for not answering the galaxy question or something..?

And I'm not sure what you think the metric system is but metres are just as arbitrary as yards. There would also of course be a large number of historical artefacts with metre markings on them, for measuring. And no doubt you can back up your claims about pi and phi with... anything?

They used constellations to track our movement through the galaxy.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

The poles move every year dude.

I don't know the details on this. I know it moves but I don't know how they measured the line between giza, nazca and easter island. But the facts speak for themselves.