Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

Would you take fake penicillin if you didn't know it was fake?

Originally Posted by tommo

Would you take fake penicillin if you didn't know it was fake?

I would snort some to make sure it was real

Compassion and a clear mind. Any other questions?

I'll take a large backpack full of asprin for my 2012 survival pack. That's all i need....MOAR DRUGZ!! because i hate headaches.

Cause he's australian.

All Australians = me. That was so obscure lol

Agreed completely. Our calander is capable of describing time of infinite extent...

The only problem I have with our calendar is that we are in the year 2011. When it should really be 4,600,002,011.

Mayan calendar did not require a leap year like ours does. It was more accurate.

No I think that is because days are shorter and longer, so we need the leap year. We sort of just make up for it all at a certain time to get back to normal. At least I think that's why.
Did the Mayans have it worked out so this is unnecessary? Or did their calendar/time slowly become wrong?

I checked in to ask peeps how they think the Egyptian military's crackdown on protesters fits into the whole 2012 thing?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Mayan calendar did not require a leap year like ours does. It was more accurate.

Our calendar is based on

- cycles of the Earth on its axis, and
- cycles of the Earth about the sun,

and is exact.

I suppose the Mayans knew about the precession of the equinoxes? Edit: oh, and they knew about the rotation of galaxies too, awesome. This would be technologically incredible so please give one piece of historical evidence.

Originally Posted by tommo

No I think that is because days are shorter and longer, so we need the leap year. We sort of just make up for it all at a certain time to get back to normal. At least I think that's why.

What the... basic astronomy?

A day is how long it takes for the Earth to spin around. The Earth is not constantly accelerating and decelerating, this length of time is always 24 hours. The amount of time we can see the sun through the day changes throughout because of the Earth's tilt.

Any calendar with years and days needs leap years, because the Earth does not spin around a whole number of times when it orbits the Sun once. It's close to 365 ¼, so every four years has 365*4 + 1 days.

Originally Posted by Xei

What the... basic astronomy?

A day is how long it takes for the Earth to spin around. The Earth is not constantly accelerating and decelerating, this length of time is always 24 hours. The amount of time we can see the sun through the day changes throughout because of the Earth's tilt.

Any calendar with years and days needs leap years, because the Earth does not spin around a whole number of times when it orbits the Sun once. It's close to 365 ¼, so every four years has 365*4 + 1 days.

You would be the worst teacher ever. And thanks for the info. I did know that, I just hadn't bothered to think about it in the slightest since I was 5.

The year is over 5 hours longer than our calendar keeps track. This is why we have leap year. To make matters worse, we actually latch on more days than just one every four, but the others are much more spread out taking several generations.

The Mayan method of time keeping is a natural method, tuned in to the cycles of the earth, moon, sun and galaxy. We transplanted these natural cycles onto an inaccurate recording method, adopting 12 months instead of 13 with a rigid time format that does not adjust to the reality of the bodies they're tracking. Furthermore, the long count could be used to track our position in the galaxy and count time down until the next renewal.

Their architexture is designed to take into account the equinox. Honestly if you're trying to deny the mayan's understood the equinox or the movement of constellations you're swimming up a waterfall. Read fucking ANYTHING about ancient ruins in south america. Granted, I don't expect you to be very informed about the subject since you consider the Gregorian Calendar to be exact. Open a book some time.

We do not use the Gregorian calendar for the same reason that we do not use the Julian calendar and we do not just use 365 days per year.

I did not ask about the equinox or the movement of constellations, I asked about the precession of the equinoxes and the rotation of galaxies. I searched a relatively detailed website but it didn't mention anything.

Nearly every ancient temple in the world is designed to react to the equinox. Some refract light in interesting ways, others show new shadows. Either way, these temples were created for the specific purpose of tracking the equinox. I don't know what website you went to but I've personally visited Machu Picchu and Chicen Itza. But it's not just those temples, this mystery repeats itself at The Pyramid of Giza and Teotihuacan.

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles. Also, if you use Giza to set the vertical divide, it divides the world's landmasses nearly exactly in half.

It doesn't end there, the builders of the pyramids also already had the metric system. Pi and the Golden Number show up frequently throughout the pyramids if you measure it in meters and the proportions of the pyramid are consistent with pi and the golden number.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Nearly every ancient temple in the world is designed to react to the equinox. Some refract light in interesting ways, others show new shadows. Either way, these temples were created for the specific purpose of tracking the equinox. I don't know what website you went to but I've personally visited Machu Picchu and Chicen Itza. But it's not just those temples, this mystery repeats itself at The Pyramid of Giza and Teotihuacan.

I know that many works of ancient architecture are aligned with the equinoxes, it's an extremely common theme. How is it a mystery? The equinoxes are very easy to observe and construct buildings around, and the sun was the central theme to agricultural peoples so it was seen as being worth the attention. It's not related to my question.

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles. Also, if you use Giza to set the vertical divide, it divides the world's landmasses nearly exactly in half.

It doesn't end there, the builders of the pyramids also already had the metric system. Pi and the Golden Number show up frequently throughout the pyramids if you measure it in meters and the proportions of the pyramid are consistent with pi and the golden number.

Was this supposed to compensate for not answering the galaxy question or something..?

And I'm not sure what you think the metric system is but metres are just as arbitrary as yards. There would also of course be a large number of historical artefacts with metre markings on them, for measuring. And no doubt you can back up your claims about pi and phi with... anything?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Furthermore if you draw a straight line between Easter Island, Nazca and Giza you get the exact equator for the Earth's Magnetic Poles.

The poles move every year dude.

Originally Posted by Xei

I know that many works of ancient architecture are aligned with the equinoxes, it's an extremely common theme. How is it a mystery? The equinoxes are very easy to observe and construct buildings around, and the sun was the central theme to agricultural peoples so it was seen as being worth the attention. It's not related to my question.


Was this supposed to compensate for not answering the galaxy question or something..?

And I'm not sure what you think the metric system is but metres are just as arbitrary as yards. There would also of course be a large number of historical artefacts with metre markings on them, for measuring. And no doubt you can back up your claims about pi and phi with... anything?

They used constellations to track our movement through the galaxy.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

The poles move every year dude.

I don't know the details on this. I know it moves but I don't know how they measured the line between giza, nazca and easter island. But the facts speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

They used constellations to track our movement through the galaxy.

Very good, we now seem to be back at my original post were I asked you for one piece of historical evidence.

There's also the precession of the equinoxes thing and additionally the pi-in-metric (?) thing.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

They used constellations to track our movement through the galaxy.

The proper motion of the stars would completely change the look of the constellations before the Sun has made any meaningful distance around the galaxy. I doubt the Mayans had even the vaguest concept of what a galaxy is.

I don't know the details on this. I know it moves but I don't know how they measured the line between giza, nazca and easter island. But the facts speak for themselves.

The poles move so much that such a line has no meaning, especially with regards to civilizations that existed thousands of years apart.

The sphinx represents the equator, the connection between leo and aquarius. There's also the goat-eagle hybrid which represent the aries-scorpio line. These two lines form an axis that tracks the suns movement through the galaxy. The mayan long count is the complete circulation of our sun through all constellations. This means that our position is only measurable during the equinox, when the constellation's position can be measured accurately.

What I'm doing right now is a very terrible job at describing points raised in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQFrNbqNRxI

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

sphinx

The Mayan Sphinx?

These two lines form an axis that tracks the suns movement through the galaxy. The mayan long count is the complete circulation of our sun through all constellations.

Oh Lord... no, when we see the sun moving through different constellations, it is not moving around the galaxy. -_-

You've conflated the completely and utterly different concepts of axial precession and galactic rotation. This is a bit like thinking the sun is literally moving through the clouds in the sky.

I thought it was clear I was making connection between these ancient civilizations. I also thought it was clear that they were tracking the equinox in order to understand galactic revolution free of influence from their own axial rotation. Oh well, I don't expect you to pull your head out of your ass any time soon.

ITT: Omnis Dei proves conclusively that he doesn't know what the hell Xei is talking about when he says "precession of equinoxes".

OD, let me enlighten you:

Over the course of 1 year, the Earth goes about the sun, and the constellations appear to rotate through the full cycle of 12, once. So in December, maybe the sun rises in Picses, and in January it rises in Capricorn, etc. By next December it's back in Picses. The months are wrong, but you get the idea.

Over the course of 26,000 years, the Earth's axis of rotation precesses (like a top) once. This shifts the constellation behind the rising sun (just for reference) on a given day of the year through the full 12 constellations. This is the phase shift of the above 1 year cycle. Every year, the constellation cycle is phase shifted by 1/26,000. So if the December sun rises in Picses now, maybe in 2200 years the December sun now rises in Capricorn.

Along with the phase shift of the constellations, the 26,000 year cycle also shifts the "north star". In 26,000 years from now, the north star will once again be Polaris. In the time of ancient Egypt, it was Vega IIRC.

Finally, the solar system orbits the center of the galaxy over something like 30 million years.

So as you can see, the precession of equinoxes has zero, nothing, nada, zilch, nil, abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with our position in the galaxy.