Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

Thanks for enlightening me.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Apparently, this is supposed to be a pretty significant finding in the Mayan world (or at least those who propose the whole Mayan Prophecy thing, and many New Age-y and conspiracy theory websites). I don't know very much (read as: anything) about these codices. Can someone, who's a little more knowledgable about the whole thing, fill me in on the importance of these codices having been found - if anything at all?

Over 1,000 Mayan Codices Discovered in Museum Basement ? Mayan Prophecy to be Fulfilled on December 21 2012 | in5d.com |

I'd like to know more about this aswell. Omnis Dei, or Jeff, or Juroara would probably know this.

Galactic Federation of Light - Messege from Ashtar Command - YouTube!

Just wondering if anyone knows if they caught the person or people who hacked the news?

More codices were found? That's awesome! According to the elder Cirilo, its actually a part of the prophesy that hidden Mayan information would return to the Mayan people and be revealed to the world before 2012. Above all else I'm glad the Mayan people are getting a part of their heritage back. It's kinda like the dead sea scrolls, except they knew it was hidden.

The ceremonies next year sound crazy and uh, I dunno, out of place? What's Santana got to do with it?

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Galactic Federation of Light - Messege from Ashtar Command - YouTube!

Just wondering if anyone knows if they caught the person or people who hacked the news?

Er... they didn't but they're ruling out an alien incident because of how isolated the incident was. One should be wary of alien communications anyway, they may claim all they want to do is stop nuclear bombs but next thing you know we're all part of the borg.

...thread.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Er... they didn't but they're ruling out an alien incident because of how isolated the incident was. One should be wary of alien communications anyway, they may claim all they want to do is stop nuclear bombs but next thing you know we're all part of the borg.

I didn't believe it was aliens, why would they hack 1 station? they would have done every single one at the same time. But from what i hear back in those days it was extremly hard doing that, so it was someone who knew what they were doing.

Sorry couldn't help myself with that one.

Anyway, is there any serious logic behind the 2012 Paradigm Shift? Sorry if I missed something on the first 6 pages but is this all based on conspiracies and prophecies or do you believe that there is some serious factual information behind this? Just curious.

or it never happened and the "Video" (audio) was fake.

I don't know anything about the source of that video but it's pretty powerful. I remember watching it quite some time ago and it struck me quite deeply. At the time, i didn't go outside for weeks and i was just watching youtube videos of ufo's and channelings and stuff like that. I've seen so many ufos on youtube i was totally convinced that if i looked at the sky long enough i'd see a bunch of em flying around. for real, school started and i'd just tell anyone who listened that there are ufos flying in the sky. When they said i was crazy i just said, you just wait ! you just wait and see who has the last laugh!

'nyway, new age of aquarius, ashtar command and a galactic federation of light put aside the message expressed in that video still stands tall. "learn to listen to ur inner voice that tells you what is truth and what is chaos." etc. good stuff. I guess time will tell if there's really a new age coming.

Originally Posted by Quantiq

Sorry couldn't help myself with that one.

Anyway, is there any serious logic behind the 2012 Paradigm Shift? Sorry if I missed something on the first 6 pages but is this all based on conspiracies and prophecies or do you believe that there is some serious factual information behind this? Just curious.

You seem to have just reacted to the thread title. I thought it was understood in the first post.

The purpose of the thread is to post global events happening in this time period that coincide nicely with the predictions of 2012 and paradigm shift. It has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in 2012, nor is it a debate on 2012, but a report of REAL events that fit within the context of the prophesy. Such as Arab Spring.

This just keeps getting better and better. Allegedly (and this is just a (highly unlikely) rumor), it's being reported that the Ark of the Covenent has also been found.

An Unbelievable Ark Of The Covenant Announcement And 10 Relic Trips (PHOTOS)

Even the Huffington Post is reporting it with a very 'yeah right' tone to it, but it's rather interesting that such a story would even be coming out now.

Haven't had the time to run through some of the newer posts in the thread, but I just thought I'd share that.

Weren't they saying on Ancient Aliens that the arc of the covenant was a battery?

Originally Posted by juroara

Such as Arab Spring.

How is the arab spring 2012 prophecy?

Well if you want to talk about the transition from the old sun into the new sun - as far as I can understand for the Mayan people this is both literal and metaphysical - in that the transition is a new age where man transcends his old ways. The Mayan elder is calling for everyone to see themselves as brothers and sisters to end wars, starvation and suffering everywhere. So, dictators and regimes simply have no place in the era of the new sun.

Originally Posted by juroara

You seem to have just reacted to the thread title. I thought it was understood in the first post.

The purpose of the thread is to post global events happening in this time period that coincide nicely with the predictions of 2012 and paradigm shift. It has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in 2012, nor is it a debate on 2012, but a report of REAL events that fit within the context of the prophesy. Such as Arab Spring.

It would help if somebody could quote what the prophecy actually is. From like... actual historical records or something.

Originally Posted by Xei

It would help if somebody could quote what the prophecy actually is. From like... actual historical records or something.

There is none. This thread is about entertaining the popular preconceptions of the 2012 phenomena by labeling anything remotely revolutionizing as "2012". Make sense?

Here's my contribution:

Pediatricians Announce 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

This clearly points to a great calamity in 2012.

It would help if somebody could quote what the prophecy actually is. From like... actual historical records or something.

pfffffffffff

That would be nice wouldn't? XD There's videos of the Mayan elder speaking, Cirilo Perez Oxlaj if anyone is interested.

I think there is a codice concerning 2012, but most are basing the prophesy off of the Mayan calender and the cultural context of the Mayan people. The Mayan calender is a wheel - so once you reach the last day it just goes back to day one. This little bit of cultural context was missing all those years ago when people first said "the Mayan calender ends on 2012!". No, it doesn't "end" it just goes back to day one!

So understanding the Mayan culture is key to understanding their calender - which is really complicated and gives me a headache. Their long count calender is apx. 26,000 years long, composed of five apx. 5100 year long cycles. This calender follows the procession of the stars. Not only is a 5100 year long cycle ending *the 5th sun* but so is the entire longer cycle of 26,000. For the Mayans, this isn't just new year, this is THE new years of new years!

These cycles are important to the Mayans because they believe nature and by extension our lives are ruled by them - which is true. Were so used to our digital clocks we forget we are revolving on our earth's axis, around a sun, that is also revolving around the galaxy. But its much more complex than that. The Mayans seem to believe that these cycles don't just influence agricultural seasons, but they literally influence the evolution of man. That when mankind evolves is literally written in the cycles of the heavens.

This coincides with the Mayan creation beliefs. Man was created and destroyed several times - a cycle of death, rebirth and progressive evolution, as each time man was created God was intending a greater creation. For this reason, one can only suspect that the man made of corn (us) is also destined to be destroyed and to be replaced by a new man. (for the Mayans, its only a matter of time)

I don't think any Mayan looks in the mirror and says "im made of corn!" so I think this creation myth for Mayans is taken more mystically than literally. So the more mystical understanding of Mayan time in terms of humanity is - destruction and paradigm changes happen at the end and birth of a new Sun. Which also translates to the end and birth of a new man.

Because the Mayan long count deals with the procession of the stars - it is also related to beliefs of the Age of Aquarius which we are in/entering now *can't remember for the life of me*.

Both groups more or less paint the same picture for this age.

Originally Posted by juroara

pfffffffffff

That would be nice wouldn't?

...yes.

I think there is a codice concerning 2012, but most are basing the prophesy off of the Mayan calender and the cultural context of the Mayan people. The Mayan calender is a wheel - so once you reach the last day it just goes back to day one. This little bit of cultural context was missing all those years ago when people first said "the Mayan calender ends on 2012!". No, it doesn't "end" it just goes back to day one!

So when you said 'the Arab spring fits the prophecy'... by prophecy what you actually meant was... the Mayan calendar starting over. Which is not a prophecy.

These cycles are important to the Mayans because they believe nature and by extension our lives are ruled by them - which is true. Were so used to our digital clocks we forget we are revolving on our earth's axis, around a sun, that is also revolving around the galaxy.

So let's defer judgement to a people who didn't know what stars are, that galaxies even existed, or that the Earth goes around the sun. Yeah why not.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Here's my contribution:

Pediatricians Announce 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

This clearly points to a great calamity in 2012.

'Burton said this revolting lot stood in stark contrast to the 2006 newborns, which were the sexiest he'd ever seen.'

Well if you want to insult the Mayan people as idiots who don't know what stars are, then why are you even in this thread?

As it stands, the Mayan calender is more true to the reality of nature then the gregorian calender that we follow - thats why people are so intrigued by it. I mean, our calender is so dumb we need a leap year. Leap year doesn't exist in nature!

You asked about the prophecy - and I answered. It is based off their extremely complex long count calender *seriously look it up yourself* and the context of their culture. It is a prophecy. They created these wheels of time to prophecize future events based on their beliefs of cyclical time.

It seems like to me you want to turn this into a debate thread.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

There is none. This thread is about entertaining the popular preconceptions of the 2012 phenomena by labeling anything remotely revolutionizing as "2012". Make sense?

Here's my contribution:

Pediatricians Announce 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

This clearly points to a great calamity in 2012.

Please stop posting in this thread. And by 'please' I mean that any subsequent post you make after this - that amounts to the same BS perversion of what I've repeatedly taken the time to explain to you that this thread was about - is going to be taken as an act of trolling, and will be treated accordingly. I've spent way too long trying to facilitate some sort of understanding with you, for you to keep trying to be cute and sarcastic, as if you're simply ignoring every single thing I've said. If you don't understand (which I refuse to believe, at this point), then post under the premise of a lack of understanding. If you want to post like a troll, I will treat you like one.

Of course mayans don't look in the mirror and say "I'm made of corn!" They would say "I'm made of maize!"

Joking aside, do you know how much corn we eat in western culture? That shit is in everything. We are pretty much made of corn.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ok. First of all, it needs to be said that this thread is a for a serious discussion of the facts about things that are going on in the world right now. This is not a place for believers to say "See, I told you! It's happening! 2012 is coming and will affect us all!!" just as it is not a place for disbelievers to come in with their "Uh-oh. Tin foil hat alert! Magic does not exist, therefore this is invalid!" rhetoric. To put it simply; if you cannot discuss this subject maturely and/or without being a complete douche-bag about it (and I know that some people can't), then you don't deserve to take part in this conversation, and you will be 'asked' to leave it.

With that out of the way, let's get down to it.

What are some of the theories about 2012? How has it been interpreted over the years. Some have said it's the end of the world. Some say it is a global paradigm shift; a transition into enlightenment; a period of 'awakening' into global consciousness. Some say it will be the second coming of Christ.' Are there any others that I'm missing?

Personally, I have never been one to believe in any of this - specifically the parts about the 'end of the world,' and the 'second coming of Christ. I have always been interested in the aspect of a paradigm shift, but have been completely skeptical about it. Now, though, my skepticism of the latter is waning. It's not that I believe current events are actually linked to the 'prophecy' - it could be pure coincidence, of course - but the timing and implications of all the unrest in the Middle East is something that can't easily be ignored. These events are quite significant, and fall a little above the realm of 'well, crazy stuff happens all the time' (IMHO). At the very least, they deserve some unbiased, open-minded analysis. What fascinates me the most is how easily these events can be interpreted to fit both of the latter theories I mentioned above:

Global Paradigm Shift / Awareness:
More and more people / cultures are beginning to stand up for their human rights, and the fever is spreading like wildfire. Thanks to technology, one uprising is leading to many, and people are beginning to get a feeling of their own self-worth, whom have never had it before. The sullen, uninspired lifestyle of living under dictatorial rule seems to be growing less and less tolerable, around the few remaining corners of the world where it still exists. There is a bit of an 'awakening,' in that people are becoming more aware of their power to change their lives and social situations.

Second Coming of Christ / Rapture:
Before I get too far into this, let me say that I am not a religious person. At all. I figure the Bible to be a book of proposed lifestyle guidelines, by way of metaphor, and not a literal translation of things that will physically come to pass (though there have been some strange 'coincidences,' over the years). Now, taking that into consideration: What is Christ? What is the word of Christ? What are Christ's principles? As I have come to believe, it is about love. It is about interacting socially with each other and displaying a sense of brotherhood to all, regardless of who they are or where they are. It is about empathy. About separating the lines between "you and me;" "us and them." Within these flames of revolution, we are seeing much of this. We are seeing people from all over the world showing a profound outpouring of affection and admiration for these people whom are trying to win their freedom. People are starting to wake up to the fact that, just because there are dictators in certain corners of the world, not all of the people of those regions share the same paradigms as those dictators. It is an increase in Christ's philosophy, as opposed to the evils of oppression and dictatorial rule.

I think all of this is very interesting. The timing, as I said, is fascinating - that it should happen now - after all of this time, and how it looks to be a domino effect that doesn't seem to be showing any signs of containing itself, as yet. Another thing I find interesting is that this is all starting / happening in the epicenter of the human species. The 'Cradle of Mankind,' as some would call it.

For such wild, metaphysical predictions to coincide so greatly with actual events is rare, to say the least, and I can't help but to be intrigued by it. So I just wanted to start some discussion on it. Does anyone have anything to add? Whether you are a true believer or a skeptic (as I am), contribute what you will. However - and I will say this again - check your arrogance at the door. This thread is for tempered discussion, not dissent, egoism nor (if possible) ignorance.

Aaannnd GO!

You want to talk about facts?

Go ahead and tell me how many apocalyptic prophesies have been suggested in just the recent decades. Tell me how many times there is going to be a rapture, to me it sounds like every other day is the coming of Jesus Christ.

It sounds like you have this sort of predisposition to mysticism and fantastic desires that have convoluted a lot of your logic.

Originally Posted by juroara

Well if you want to insult the Mayan people as idiots who don't know what stars are

I'm not saying they're idiots, I'm saying stop treating them as sages about things they didn't know about (yes, that includes what stars are; what's your reason to think otherwise?). We stopped this whole dogma over personal experience thing in the 1800s (and I'm told the Eastern spiritualists much sooner), please get with the times.

As it stands, the Mayan calender is more true to the reality of nature then the gregorian calender that we follow - thats why people are so intrigued by it. I mean, our calender is so dumb we need a leap year. Leap year doesn't exist in nature!

Yes it does. Our days correspond to the planet rotating once, during which the sun makes a full cycle of the sky. Our years correspond to the Earth going round the sun once. You may have noticed this also corresponds exactly to the cycles of the seasons. How on Earth is this 'not related to true reality'; it's the simplest and most fundamental cycle of our planet. What part of nature does the Mayan cycle correspond to? Don't tell me 'natural cycles'; I asking what specific natural cycle, and some examples of it.

You asked about the prophecy - and I answered. It is based off their extremely complex long count calender *seriously look it up yourself* and the context of their culture. It is a prophecy. They created these wheels of time to prophecize future events based on their beliefs of cyclical time.

It seems like to me you want to turn this into a debate thread.

Nope, just a discussion in the original spirit that O intended it. It's hard to compare current events to the 'prophecies' of the Mayans if you don't know what the prophecies were.

I looked up what modern scholars of the Mayan texts say. Mark Van Stone, a Mayan scholar, says "there is nothing in the Maya or Aztec or ancient Mesoamerican prophecy to suggest that they prophesied a sudden or major change of any sort in 2012. The notion of a "Great Cycle" coming to an end is completely a modern invention". Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Florida, says "to render Dec. 21, 2012 as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting is a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Do you have any historical evidence of these 'wheels of time' and their use?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Of course mayans don't look in the mirror and say "I'm made of corn!" They would say "I'm made of maize!"

Joking aside, do you know how much corn we eat in western culture? That shit is in everything. We are pretty much made of corn.

How terrible..?