Thread: Using the law of attraction to attract my soulmate?

Originally Posted by Original Poster

You're assuming because the experiments are failing it means the entire concept is false. With this attitude you may as well believe cell-phones don't cause cancer because what they actually do is disrupt the body's melatonin distribution which manages free radicals which cause cancer. The experiment did not test for this, so the results were that cell phones don't cause cancer. The same is true regarding the experiments that test if prayer has an affect. The experiment cannot support the theory if the hypothesis overlooks what's actually happening.

Er... noooo...

Scientific evidence doesn't require a mechanism.

You look at the effect that cell phone use has on cancer rates. If the statistics show that the former tends to increase the latter, that is positive evidence that the hypothesis is true, and it can then be further investigated to find a mechanism. You don't need to directly test the mechanism. If there is no significant increase, that is positive evidence that the hypothesis is false.

It's really that simple. If you hypothesise that A leads to B, then by definition, the statistics will show a link between A and B. If they don't show a link, by definition there isn't one.

But that's not how it works in reality. In reality, using cell phones as an example, there was a correlation (or a link) and so the cellular companies themselves funded the study to see if this was causation. The study was purposely set up to fail so no statistically relevant link could be found. This enabled cell-phone companies to continue arguing, with "proof" that there's no link between cell phones and cancer, meanwhile cancer continues to cluster around cell phone towers.

And that's why I'm saying you can't use a few failed experiments regarding the power of prayer to disprove the power of thought. There have also been successful experiments, but so many scientists have a bone to pick with organized religion that they'll continue performing experiments to test the power of prayer where the subjects will use prayer improperly and they'll continue to use this evidence to disprove law of attraction at large even though it does no such thing.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

But that's not how it works in reality. In reality, using cell phones as an example, there was a correlation (or a link) and so the cellular companies themselves funded the study to see if this was causation. The study was purposely set up to fail so no statistically relevant link could be found. This enabled cell-phone companies to continue arguing, with "proof" that there's no link between cell phones and cancer, meanwhile cancer continues to cluster around cell phone towers.

Of course fabricated statistics aren't evidence for anything. I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, which was simply a contradiction of your assertion that "the experiment cannot support the theory if the hypothesis overlooks what's actually happening". This is simply incorrect; statistical methods can indeed provide evidence for a hypothesis without any underlying understanding. Obviously this is contingent on the statistics not being false...

Can someone just help me get a girlfriend using the law of attraction, If you don't believe in it that's your loss and, Frankly, I don't care for your opinion. Thanks to anyone helping me.

Originally Posted by yondaime109

Can someone just help me get a girlfriend using the law of attraction, If you don't believe in it that's your loss and, Frankly, I don't care for your opinion. Thanks to anyone helping me.

Actually you specifically asked for an opinion, and posted this thread in the wrong section until it was moved.

Originally Posted by yondaime109

can it happen? help plz?

Next time be more clear in what you want, and besides mcwillis already answered your vague question.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Yes it can! Firstly if you don't have a soul mate in your life then it may be that you need to do some inner work first before using the law of attraction.

Purchase a used copy of '50 Ways to Find True Love' by psychologist Chuck Spezzano on Amazon.com or abe.com

Then, purchase Rishan's Law of Attraction course which I personally recommend from this LINK

Originally Posted by yondaime109

Can someone just help me get a girlfriend using the law of attraction, If you don't believe in it that's your loss and, Frankly, I don't care for your opinion. Thanks to anyone helping me.

You're already doing it. The law of attraction made you come on to a forum and ask for help. The law of attraction might have given you some other ideas as well. Try them.
The law of attraction is something that happens in your head; I don't get how you want people to tell you "how" to use it. Isn't it all about focusing on a thing you want? You're obviously already doing that since you made this thread dedicated to the problem. Just keep doing that. Keep trying things and use the motivation you have to gain courage. You must have some kind of social circle, and by extension some girls you're interested in. Use the law of attraction to do whatever you feel is appropriate. You've already used it once to make this thread, just remember to evaluate ideas and figure out what's best.

I just think you're asking a very strange question, because when you ask "how can I do [anything you want]", then you're already using the law of attraction, simply by wanting to do it. You don't need advice on how to "use" the law of attraction, you need advice simply with what to do.

I'm not sure I can add to what's already been said, but I feel compelled to throw my 2 cents in anyway.

Yondaime, I'm not really sure why you made this thread. As BossMan pointed out, you asked whether it was possible, and then got defensive when people offered their opinions. If you are certain that it is possible, as it seems you are, then why ask? But moving on... I'll play devil's advocate and say that if it DOES exist, I imagine it's a very individual process. In other words, how you go about this is largely up to you, and I don't think any of us can really help you. Especially since everyone has different ideas of a "soulmate".

That being said... I can't say one way or the other whether it exists at all. What I will say is this. Thought without action is useless. On the other hand, action without thought is at best, inefficient, and at worst, self-destructive. As far as this idea of a Law of Attraction encourages people to actually THINK more, I believe it's a good thing. However, so many people get the idea that thinking is all you have to do, and it frankly drives me nuts. Use the law of attraction or whatever you choose to provide motivation, but don't use it as a crutch. That's my opinion.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

I'm not sure I can add to what's already been said, but I feel compelled to throw my 2 cents in anyway.

Yondaime, I'm not really sure why you made this thread. As BossMan pointed out, you asked whether it was possible, and then got defensive when people offered their opinions. If you are certain that it is possible, as it seems you are, then why ask? But moving on... I'll play devil's advocate and say that if it DOES exist, I imagine it's a very individual process. In other words, how you go about this is largely up to you, and I don't think any of us can really help you. Especially since everyone has different ideas of a "soulmate".

That being said... I can't say one way or the other whether it exists at all. What I will say is this. Thought without action is useless. On the other hand, action without thought is at best, inefficient, and at worst, self-destructive. As far as this idea of a Law of Attraction encourages people to actually THINK more, I believe it's a good thing. However, so many people get the idea that thinking is all you have to do, and it frankly drives me nuts. Use the law of attraction or whatever you choose to provide motivation, but don't use it as a crutch. That's my opinion.

This is the most useful post in this thread.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

I'm not sure I can add to what's already been said, but I feel compelled to throw my 2 cents in anyway.

Yondaime, I'm not really sure why you made this thread. As BossMan pointed out, you asked whether it was possible, and then got defensive when people offered their opinions. If you are certain that it is possible, as it seems you are, then why ask? But moving on... I'll play devil's advocate and say that if it DOES exist, I imagine it's a very individual process. In other words, how you go about this is largely up to you, and I don't think any of us can really help you. Especially since everyone has different ideas of a "soulmate".

That being said... I can't say one way or the other whether it exists at all. What I will say is this. Thought without action is useless. On the other hand, action without thought is at best, inefficient, and at worst, self-destructive. As far as this idea of a Law of Attraction encourages people to actually THINK more, I believe it's a good thing. However, so many people get the idea that thinking is all you have to do, and it frankly drives me nuts. Use the law of attraction or whatever you choose to provide motivation, but don't use it as a crutch. That's my opinion.

I think otherwise, Although I respect your opinion, And everything you've posted I've heard a million times. The way you perceive the world and the way I perceive the world are different because we've had different experiences that led us to our individual perceptions. In the end, Experience and Intuition is lot more reasonable to follow than Logic and other people's experiences and intuitions.

Originally Posted by yondaime109

I think otherwise, Although I respect your opinion, And everything you've posted I've heard a million times. The way you perceive the world and the way I perceive the world are different because we've had different experiences that led us to our individual perceptions. In the end, Experience and Intuition is lot more reasonable to follow than Logic and other people's experiences and intuitions.

This post is incredibly arrogant. Are you suggesting that only your experiences matter because you have some kind of misplaced sense of superiority to everyone else? Don't you understand that we all learn based of other peoples experiences?

And why is listening only to your own experiences and intuitions more reasonable then listening to others? The structure of academia is based on learning from other peoples experiences, do you understand how ridiculous your statement was?

Its fine if you want to dabble in the unknown and untested, I have a few idea I like to play with that has no scientific basis, but writing off everyone's opinion based on the notion that your experiences and intuition is better than theirs is wrong.

Originally Posted by BossMan

This post is incredibly arrogant. Are you suggesting that only your experiences matter because you have some kind of misplaced sense of superiority to everyone else? Don't you understand that we all learn based of other peoples experiences?

And why is listening only to your own experiences and intuitions more reasonable then listening to others? The structure of academia is based on learning from other peoples experiences, do you understand how ridiculous your statement was?

Its fine if you want to dabble in the unknown and untested, I have a few idea I like to play with that has no scientific basis, but writing off everyone's opinion based on the notion that your experiences and intuition is better than yours is wrong.

Eh, I'm an Aries we're arrogant folk. I really need to stop with the abstract post.

In simple terms, I'm saying that I believe that what I've experienced was real and there's nothing you could possibly do to change my mind. I believe in logic, And it's logical for me to believe that the law of attraction exist because it has worked for me in the past (My experiences).

Even though tens of millions of people can attest to the law of attraction working for them (Other people's experiences and intuitions) you still will not believe it exist because you haven't experienced it yourself. Just because something can't be explain by logic now doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Believing in something that might not exist is faith.

You seem to be the arrogant one here, You honestly expect to simply erase and forget everything I've experienced because you haven't experienced what I've experienced. Also, You have no way to prove what I've experienced was wrong.

Originally Posted by yondaime109

Eh, I'm an Aries we're arrogant folk. I really need to stop with the abstract post.

In simple terms, I'm saying that I believe that what I've experienced was real and there's nothing you could possibly do to change my mind. I believe in logic, And it's logical for me to believe that the law of attraction exist because it has worked for me in the past (My experiences).

Even though tens of millions of people can attest to the law of attraction working for them (Other people's experiences and intuitions) you still will not believe it exist because you haven't experienced it yourself. Just because something can't be explain by logic now doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Believing in something that might not exist is faith.

You seem to be the arrogant one here, You honestly expect to simply erase and forget everything I've experienced because you haven't experienced what I've experienced. Also, You have no way to prove what I've experienced was wrong.

I never suggested anything in saying for you to drop all your experiences and beliefs because others don't believe it, stop making Evel Knievel leaps of conclusion. I was very clear in what I said, you shouldn't write off other peoples opinions because you believe your the only one that's right, this is a closed-minded attitude that gets you nowhere.

I have no intention of proving anything to anyone in this thread, you can all believe whatever you want, all I'm saying is do so with a healthy dose of skepticism.

And by the way, only a fool holds pride in arrogance.

Exactly what is there to be skeptical about? I hate arrogance more than I hate myself.

Originally Posted by yondaime109

Exactly what is there to be skeptical about? I hate arrogance more than I hate myself.

Lol... There is nothing to be skeptical about, just forget I said anything. Good luck mate.

Originally Posted by Xei

Of course fabricated statistics aren't evidence for anything. I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, which was simply a contradiction of your assertion that "the experiment cannot support the theory if the hypothesis overlooks what's actually happening". This is simply incorrect; statistical methods can indeed provide evidence for a hypothesis without any underlying understanding. Obviously this is contingent on the statistics not being false...

Let add more detail. The experiment was done to see if people could be sensitive to EM waves produced by cell phone activity. But they fucked up because they asked people what they were feeling, rather than actually testing for a physical effect. They managed to avoid finding a link between cancer and cell phones because most people could not consciously tell they were being affected. Furthermore, they never tested it on people while they were asleep, which is when the EM activity disrupts the brain's melatonin production (which sweeps up free radicals). Independent studies were done but these were majorly ignored by the media.

This is what I mean when I say just because evidence for the power of prayer has not been found that doesn't mean that our thoughts have no power, they simply need to be used in a different way than how they were used in the studies on prayer. The people in those studies were not instructed to pray properly. Many studies have propped up revealing that there is an effect from changing someone's beliefs, and so prayer must change your beliefs and attitude, the universe does not respond to wishlists.

Unfortunately when people attempt repeating the studies that were successful, they fail to repeat the results. And again, this is because we're testing the power of attitude, so how are you supposed to receive the right results with a cynical attitude?

And Bossman - If LoA were truly not testable, that's a fault of the scientific method, not a means of invalidated LoA. Science is not a tool for anything if it is not a tool for everything. But I believe that it is testable, as long as its possibility is not given up on too easily.

Do you guys have the data for a LoA test? I would be interested to see. I feel like it doesn't work, but then again I don't feel the earth moving, but I believe it does.

Scroll down this link to find the abstract, his page has a large banner.

Journal of Cosmology

That's a good starting point because it analyzes the evidence in an umbrella fashion, but there are more specific experiments which reveal the primacy of consciousness, such as experiments with telepathy. If you look up Rupert Sheldrake's experiments on Google Scholar you'll find a plethora of evidence. Sheldrake's conclusions to this evidence, which you can find on youtube interviews, lead to a different definition on what we call the mind.

Furthermore, they tested the pyramid's ability to heal, which would help validate one of the proposed theories for low manifestation works. (All the links below are for the same experiment, performed first in 1997, then repeated 2003 and 2006)

Biological phenomena within a pyramid model--a preliminary study on wound healing. - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central

Pyramid environment reduces the wound healing suppressant properties of dexamethasone in albino... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central

NISCAIR ONLINE PERIODICALS REPOSITORY (NOPR) : Enhanced wound contraction and epithelization period in steroid treated rats: Role of pyramid environment

I hope that helps.

thanks I will look at those when I get some free time. The crazy busy life of the holidays is running over into January. I'm way too busy!

As far as the law of attraction goes, my advice is simple, its got NOTHING to do with your thoughts. Think hard all you want, but that's not how gurus teach to use it. The LOA requires you to feel it. So the theory goes, if you want to be with the love of your life then you need to feel that love already even as you are single. Easier said than done obviously.

There have a lot of experiments out there regarding prayer. But most of these prayer experiments aren't really experiments, they didn't account for hundreds of variables and offered virtually no controls. What they got were really bad statistics than actual scientific data.

Most of these experiments don't consider
1. how the prayer is done, are they begging or affirming? did they meditate? did they spend five minutes, five hours, five days? did they feel happy praying or did they feel like the world was falling apart?
2. if the person praying actually BELIEVES their prayer could be answered, or if they have doubt? how do you even measure that?
3. What about the recipient of the prayer? Do they believe the prayer will work? Do they agree with the prayer? Do they know they are being prayed for? Does that prior knowledge make any difference?
5. Other variables include the environment, time of day, location even language barriers. Why would they matter? Who the hell knows until you formulate a theory!

But some curious researchers took the subject of healing prayer very seriously. They wanted to set up the best experiment yet. But to set up a legit experiment they first had to theorize how healing prayer could work. Eventually they got the idea that they had to isolate the healer and the recipient in a room that was designed to block out as much EM noise as possible (or something to that effect).

They wanted to know if healing prayer is tangible energy in the electromagnetic field. So after isolating the healer and recipient in a "noise free" room, they turned off the lights and got a camera that NAASA uses to see in the dark. And they did see some interesting things.

I plan to reread the book and when I do I'll post about it if anyone is interested. The book does list the whos, whats, wheres and whens of the research.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

And Bossman - If LoA were truly not testable, that's a fault of the scientific method, not a means of invalidated LoA. Science is not a tool for anything if it is not a tool for everything. But I believe that it is testable, as long as its possibility is not given up on too easily.

Yes, lets discount the scientific method now, something being used and developed for hundreds of years by a plethora of great minds such as Aristotle, Avicenna, Descartes, Galileo, and Newton; these men had ideas that seemed much more far-fetched then the Theory of Attraction at their time. The only difference is even if they were mocked and ridiculed for their ideas by the scientific community, they still proved its validity in the end with tangible evidence... Not speculation.

If there was tangible evidence and data on the Theory of Attraction then I promise you it would receive much more attention from scientists and think-tanks world wide to explore its phenomena.

There is a key distinction between real science and junk science, and its about time people noticed it.

The principle of LOA has been practiced by hundreds of millions and it's all worked for them, It'll work for everyone except me. I haven't followed the law.

Originally Posted by BossMan

If there was tangible evidence and data on the Theory of Attraction then I promise you it would receive much more attention from scientists and think-tanks world wide to explore its phenomena.

But..there are scientists with phds that are very interested in researching the LOA. Its just once they touch it they automatically get labeled as psuedo-scientists instead. One example would be bruce lipton.

I don't think OP meant that we need to discount the scientific method, only that we should be able to utilize it to do any research

The law of attraction has been logically and Scientifically proven. I can't remember everything I read about, But it stated that everything vibrates and that atoms broken down are just energy. Matter and energy are the same, Energy vibrates and attracts other energies that vibrate similarly. There's way more to it and it definitely proves LOA, But I don't feel like searching for it.

Originally Posted by juroara

But..there are scientists with phds that are very interested in researching the LOA. Its just once they touch it they automatically get labeled as psuedo-scientists instead. One example would be bruce lipton.

There are also scientists with Phds' researching UFOs so I'm failing to see how this qualifies your statement. All I see when I read about the Theory of Attraction is a misrepresentation of electrical activity in the brain.

Originally Posted by juroara

I don't think OP meant that we need to discount the scientific method, only that we should be able to utilize it to do any research

We can use it to conduct research on anything, but if the research does not produce measurable or empirical data it will never be labeled as 'law' let alone a theory or working hypothesis. OP is arguing that there is such data for the law of attraction and that there are ways for it to be tested, but it requires people to not approach the idea with cynicism. I believe that my approach should not matter, if you have real evidence then it doesn't matter how I look at it. I can approach the Law of Gravity as cynical as can be but it doesn't fucking matter, its proven with real data that greater masses attract smaller masses there is nothing to argue about.