Thread: #DVA Chat Times & Logs

Friday, July 20th, 8pm CST Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:59:03] <@OpheliaBlue> hey guys!
[19:59:18] <hathor28> i'm stopping that shared dreaming debate now, i get a feeling someone is mocking me everytime they question me and about esp and shared dreaming
[19:59:37] <hathor28> urgh such a energy drainer
[20:00:07] <%RareCola> Heyhey
[20:00:13] <realdealmagic> Hay Hay Hay
[20:00:20] <realdealmagic> My first time in #DVA for a long time :')
[20:00:26] <hathor28> guess who is laughing at me in dv
[20:00:30] <hathor28> >.>
[20:00:35] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: what debate, where?
[20:00:50] <hathor28> shared dreaming debate
[20:01:58] <@OpheliaBlue> which is located at:
[20:02:10] <hathor28> beyond dreaming
[20:02:29] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok, can you link me to the thread?
[20:02:37] <hathor28> yes
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[20:02:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I know it, so glad to see you again realdealmagic
[20:03:02] <@OpheliaBlue> hi fennecgirl!
[20:03:07] <fennecgirl> Hi!
[20:03:12] <realdealmagic> Haha, cheers
[20:03:14] <hathor28> http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...debate-120211/
[20:03:35] <hathor28> ya now i know what to do
[20:03:47] <realdealmagic> So, LDing.
[20:03:50] <realdealmagic> Decided I'm gonna go for WILD.
[20:04:13] <realdealmagic> Simply because I don't feel like the passive approach (MILD) will work this time.
[20:04:17] <realdealmagic> Just as it didn't last time
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[20:04:32] <Harelori> Did I make it?
[20:04:35] <%RareCola> WILD is great, but I wouldn't give up on MILD
[20:04:42] <%RareCola> You can practice WILD and MILD together
[20:04:44] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah MILDs and DILDs depend on random luck.. you can still hope for them, but I think aiming on WILD is a good idea
[20:04:47] <%RareCola> &yes Harelori, welcome
[20:04:51] <@OpheliaBlue> you should check out Sageoue's class realdealmagic
[20:04:54] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Harelori
[20:04:56] <Harelori> Thanks
[20:04:59] <Harelori> Hey ;]
[20:05:05] <fennecgirl> Sometimes it can help to take a break from MILD, though
[20:05:06] <realdealmagic> I'll keep up with the RCs, which aren't actually anything useful to me anymore, but I'll keep aware and stuff like that
[20:05:07] <realdealmagic> Hmm.
[20:05:10] <realdealmagic> Mind linking me?
[20:05:11] Exotiraan gives hathor28 the IOSDP.
[20:05:18] <Harelori> I'll leave pretty soon tho, I'll stick around to listen
[20:05:19] <fennecgirl> I had my first LD on a night when I forgot to do MILD, actually
[20:05:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah awareness is the most important thing
[20:05:35] <%RareCola> realdealmagic: WILD (Sageous)
[20:05:36] <@OpheliaBlue> fennecgirl: hah really?
[20:05:42] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks RareCola
[20:05:43] <realdealmagic> Thankies
[20:05:45] <fennecgirl> Yeah
[20:05:54] <fennecgirl> I wonder if that would work again...
[20:05:56] <realdealmagic> I plan to stick around, and get myself up to Apprentice level!
[20:06:01] <Exotiraan> hathor28: 'Tis the forum for shared dreamers.
[20:06:10] <Harelori> Realmagic
[20:06:17] <Harelori> what's the apprentice level? ^_^
[20:07:03] <hathor28> yes exo but that forum isnt active a lot
[20:07:21] <%RareCola> That's quite common I think actually, fennecgirl. It's possible to try too hard, and when you finally relax and just let it happen on its own, it tends to work out.
[20:07:34] <@OpheliaBlue> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/lucid...rogram-132409/
[20:07:48] <@OpheliaBlue> for Harelori ^^
[20:08:05] <Harelori> Thanks
[20:08:32] <@OpheliaBlue> my dream last night came true it was sooooo weird
[20:08:38] <%RareCola> Oh really?
[20:08:38] <@OpheliaBlue> I know it was coincidence, still crazy
[20:08:41] <fennecgirl> Yeah, that could be what happened. I'm going to stick with MILD for awhile, but I might take a night or two off again if I find I'm not making progress.
[20:08:44] <%RareCola> Psychic dreams~
[20:08:58] <fennecgirl> @Ophelia: Really? What happened?
[20:09:04] <hathor28> i believe in them
[20:09:06] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe yeah, I dreamed that Danny was asleep, and Chris was playing, and I heard thunder even though it was a completely sunny day
[20:09:26] <Harelori> Yesterday me and my family were running away from terrorists
[20:09:33] <Harelori> and we had to climb this 90 degrees cliff
[20:09:33] <@OpheliaBlue> and that happened today... 103 degrees, hot and sunny, then Danny took a nap and I hear the boom
[20:09:40] <@OpheliaBlue> I RCed my little ass off
[20:09:48] <Harelori> and when me and my brother reached the top, they wanted us to ditch our parents
[20:10:05] <Harelori> I fought for them tho
[20:10:12] <Harelori> Ophelia
[20:10:16] <@OpheliaBlue> Harelori:
[20:10:19] <Harelori> lets say I don't make it to the apprentice program
[20:10:29] <Harelori> can I still help the newcomers?
[20:10:55] <@OpheliaBlue> you mean like give them advice and respond to workbooks, etc? sure
[20:10:56] <%RareCola> Haha, I don't know, I believe in premonition dreams somewhat. I feel like there's so much about the human mind that we don't know, it's silly to rule it out with so many cases of it happening
[20:11:02] <@OpheliaBlue> as long as you don't give crazy advice lol
[20:11:08] <Harelori>
[20:11:14] <Harelori> You know
[20:11:14] <hathor28> true rarec
[20:11:18] <Harelori> lets keep it between us class
[20:11:31] <Harelori> but I'm pretty sure one of the forum members is a guy I know irl
[20:11:35] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: that's a fair arguement
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[20:11:42] <Harelori> Except Beefer that is
[20:12:01] <Harelori> yuvyuv
[20:12:21] <Harelori> I'm pretty sure I know him, he always used it as his username, and hes english is horrible as ever
[20:12:30] <%RareCola> Haha
[20:12:53] <hathor28> had a trickster dude again in my dreams recently :\
[20:13:08] <Harelori> I trick
[20:13:08] <hathor28>
[20:13:10] <%RareCola> Oh Lisa, not sure if you read my workbook. Somewhat broke my dry spell last night, but I ruined it for myself
[20:13:14] <Harelori> who was it @hator?
[20:13:23] <hathor28> someone i dont know
[20:13:27] <hathor28> usually
[20:13:39] <@OpheliaBlue> please excuse me for a moment, my apologies
[20:13:40] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
[20:13:45] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|BRB
[20:13:50] <Harelori> usually...?
[20:13:55] <Harelori> Oh
[20:14:03] <Harelori> Usually its people you don't know
[20:14:06] <&ShockWave|Asleep> RareCola: you're in charge till she gets back!
[20:14:09] <hathor28> but he actually made himself look like my recurring dream guy how mean
[20:14:16] <Harelori> What tricks did he do anyways?
[20:14:34] <Harelori> It may be what the forum members like to call your "Dream Guide"
[20:14:47] <%RareCola> Oh alright
[20:14:54] <hathor28> they dont trick u
[20:15:04] <hathor28> guides dont do that
[20:15:09] <%RareCola> It depends what you define as a dream guide really
[20:15:13] <Harelori> It changes
[20:15:42] <Harelori> He can be an immature guide, he can also be as Smart as einstein
[20:15:44] <%RareCola> For me, a dream guide is just a character which influences your dreams by interacting with you.
[20:15:56] <hathor28> i have a guide but its only to give advice and emotional comfort
[20:16:03] <%RareCola> But for some people, they define a dream guide as a recurring character who's more like a guardian angel of dreams
[20:16:13] <Harelori> That ^
[20:16:14] <hathor28> yes rare
[20:16:22] <Harelori> I don't call it a dream guide
[20:16:37] <Harelori> I call it my sub-conscious
[20:16:52] <hathor28> no because i know how my usual recurring guy acts like
[20:17:01] <%RareCola> Quite, it is all subjective after all. It's your mind, you can define it how you like.
[20:17:18] <&ShockWave|Asleep> inb4 ophe
[20:17:19] <Harelori> One of my goals to do in the near future (in a lucid dream that is) is to call my sub conscious for the first time
[20:17:20] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[20:17:20] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:17:21] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry
[20:17:22] <&ShockWave|Asleep> HA
[20:17:23] <Harelori> welcome back
[20:17:28] <@OpheliaBlue> oh shhhh schockwave lol
[20:17:32] <fennecgirl> I'm not exactly certain on my definition of a dream guide; I think a dream guide is either the same as the subconscious or at least similar (as in, an important DC with somewhat of a connection to the subconscious, moreso than regular DCs)
[20:17:34] <@OpheliaBlue> shockwave*
[20:17:35] <Harelori> you haven't missed much
[20:17:37] <%RareCola> Some forum dramas again?
[20:17:46] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yuo know it
[20:18:04] <Harelori> Fence
[20:18:18] <Harelori> I believe that if you talk your way through with each and every DC correctly
[20:18:30] <Harelori> It can advice you, even though they might be tricky sometimes
[20:18:35] <Harelori> they *
[20:18:45] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[20:18:48] <@OpheliaBlue> yes the3y can
[20:18:59] <hathor28> And this dream was actually disturbing scene-wise
[20:19:22] <Harelori> I once had a dream that I know its a dream
[20:19:23] <%RareCola> I think it's important to remember that DCs are just a projection of yourself, they are all you. They can be whatever you make them out to be, or however your sub-conscious chooses to portray them
[20:19:27] <%RareCola> They're not separate entities
[20:19:35] <hathor28> but its mean to trick me with that dream guy look :\
[20:19:35] <%RareCola> Unless you believe in OBEs, that is
[20:19:58] <Harelori> OBEs are interesting
[20:20:04] <Harelori> Never had one though
[20:20:05] <@OpheliaBlue> this is true, you can depend on a dream guide, then one day, they bite your hand off
[20:20:14] <hathor28> good that i test him >.>
[20:20:25] <Harelori> I'll never forget what I've read, in the dream gallery
[20:20:43] <hathor28> i was like wow thats not how he acts
[20:20:49] <fennecgirl> My personal belief is that all DCs have some connection with your subconscious (as they are created and controlled by it), but you can speak to your subconscious more directly by speaking with your dream guide or your subconscious itself.
[20:21:18] <Harelori> This guy, became poseidon
[20:21:18] <@OpheliaBlue> oh totally
[20:21:27] <Harelori> He wrote it like a poet
[20:21:48] <@OpheliaBlue> apparently my subconscious occasionally likes to start chewing on me
[20:21:56] <Harelori> It was the owl guy, Mancon
[20:22:05] <fennecgirl> lolwut xD
[20:22:19] <%RareCola> Of course, you can build up more of a connection to your subconscious with how involved you are in your dream. Sometimes this just portrays itself in DCs, I guess.
[20:22:26] <Harelori> I highly recommend reading this http://www.dreamviews.com/f60/9-30-1...n-totm-123048/
[20:22:30] <@OpheliaBlue> so RareCola, what was your lucid last night? I haven't caught up yet
[20:22:35] <Harelori> It might inspire you to even do greater things
[20:22:45] <hathor28> sometimes i get disturbing dreams so i guess its my dark side showing?
[20:23:21] <Harelori> Oh ophelia, I require your assistance if you may
[20:23:32] <%RareCola> Ah I mostly had a really whacky non-lucid, which I posted in the dream snippets thread. But after that there was a portion where one of the DCs tricked people into thinking they were awake when they were in dreams, so I reality checked, became lucid but lost it after 5 seconds and woke
[20:23:42] <%RareCola> And then just as I was going to DEILD back in, my alarm went off
[20:23:58] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that evil alarm
[20:24:06] <hathor28> gotta hate alarms
[20:24:14] <Harelori> Sometimes in my LDs I have these erotic scenes
[20:24:22] <Harelori> I don't like erotic stuff in LDs
[20:24:27] <%RareCola> I don't usually use one, but I just happened to have to be up earlier than normal today
[20:24:42] <Harelori> I mean, its cool and all, but I preffer something else.
[20:24:49] <fennecgirl> I rarely have erotic dreams
[20:24:56] <hathor28> oh actually my erotic stuff is lasting longer now that i had LD practises with them
[20:25:16] <Harelori> To be honest, its kinda boring
[20:25:18] <hathor28> used to get very short 5 sec dreams
[20:25:22] <%RareCola> Yea, I don't like erotic dreams either. It feels like a waste of a dream to me
[20:25:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I adore erotic LDs
[20:25:32] <Harelori> Lol ophelia
[20:25:41] <hathor28> not boring if its with someone u want to get with lol
[20:25:42] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm a woman in her prime, so
[20:25:49] <Harelori> Rare, its not a waste, but I feel like I can do better
[20:25:53] <hathor28> lol i agree ophelia
[20:25:56] <%RareCola> Ophelia loves her demon sex
[20:26:03] <Harelori> lol
[20:26:10] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it has to mean something... it's a waste of a dream if it's just sex with some random DC
[20:26:11] <Harelori> ophelia's cheating on her husband :3
[20:26:14] <fennecgirl> I haven't had any erotic LDs as my only LD lasted around 10-20 seconds, but I've had sex in a non-lucid dream before
[20:26:15] <@OpheliaBlue> actually I don't believe that either
[20:26:20] <@OpheliaBlue> don't listen to me
[20:26:29] <@OpheliaBlue> Harelori: I'm not married
[20:26:40] <Harelori> Oh
[20:26:42] <Harelori> Mybad
[20:26:44] <@OpheliaBlue> one foot from the altar maybe
[20:26:53] <Harelori> I recall that you wrote something about your understanding boyfriend
[20:27:01] <Harelori> That he has time for you when you're writing your dreams?
[20:27:06] <hathor28> lol
[20:27:12] <Harelori> maybe I'm wrong and it was someone else
[20:27:12] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah he's pretty bad ass
[20:27:16] <Harelori>
[20:27:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I let him read any and everything though
[20:27:24] <%RareCola> D'aw are you hoping he'll propose?
[20:27:31] <@OpheliaBlue> he has a few times hehe
[20:27:38] OpheliaBlue is dragging her heels
[20:27:45] <Harelori> heh
[20:27:46] <%RareCola> Haha
[20:28:02] <@OpheliaBlue> it would be marriage number 3, and this time I have a son to consider
[20:28:12] <Harelori> How old is he?
[20:28:21] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm abotu to give in though I think
[20:28:25] <@OpheliaBlue> 39, I'm 37
[20:28:29] <%RareCola> Have a test run in a lucid and see how it feels!
[20:28:40] <@OpheliaBlue> a test run marriage? haha
[20:28:42] <Harelori> I meant the son
[20:28:47] <@OpheliaBlue> OH Chris is 8
[20:28:50] <@OpheliaBlue> almost 9
[20:28:50] <%RareCola> Haha yea, why not?
[20:28:56] <Harelori> oh
[20:29:04] <Harelori> holdon ophelia
[20:29:06] <@OpheliaBlue> lol RareCola
[20:29:15] <Harelori> about these erotic dreams again, I mean, there's countless stuff I want to do in an LD
[20:29:15] <@OpheliaBlue> ANYway, am I this bad of a teacher?
[20:29:21] <@OpheliaBlue> what's the next topic...
[20:29:30] <Harelori> And everytime I forget what I wanted to do, I go to the 1000 things to do in a lucid dream
[20:29:34] <Harelori> And get fresh ideas
[20:29:51] <@OpheliaBlue> I like the TOTM, for the fresh ideas as well
[20:29:59] <Harelori> That's true
[20:30:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I've been going crazy with lucid mirrors, and I never would have unless it had been a task
[20:30:11] <hathor28> any 2nd totm?
[20:30:23] <@OpheliaBlue> 2nd totm? meanign what
[20:30:27] <Harelori> To be honest, I'm kinda disappointed of the TOTY
[20:30:30] <%RareCola> I really need to get this advanced TOTM down
[20:30:31] <hathor28> other than poseidon
[20:30:55] <Harelori> Oh, the poseidon is a specific TOTM that was done by Mancon
[20:30:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I keep forgetting what the task was when I'm in the LD, I only remember the mirror
[20:31:00] <Harelori> and he shared it with the community
[20:31:10] <@OpheliaBlue> "Florida fucking KEYS!!!" I still laugh at that hahaha
[20:31:19] <Harelori> :3
[20:31:33] <Harelori> Ophelia
[20:31:34] <%RareCola> 1 more week until my 3 month lucid dreaming anniversary now. It's going so fasttt
[20:31:49] <Harelori> Have you ever counted your total number of LDs?
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[20:32:13] <hathor28> whats the totm for this month?
[20:32:20] <Harelori> Umm
[20:32:34] <@GermanBlue> Harelori: I couldn't even begin
[20:32:35] <fennecgirl> Wait... is totm the task of the month?
[20:32:39] <fennecgirl> Because I know what that is
[20:32:42] <Harelori> Yeah
[20:32:57] <Harelori> http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...2012-a-133556/
[20:32:57] <%RareCola> Drink a magical potion and see the effects & find alien life and go on a date with them.
[20:33:00] <@GermanBlue> oh where's oreo, he knows the ibot command for it
[20:33:02] <Harelori> the latest one
[20:33:04] <@GermanBlue> thanks Harelori
[20:33:13] <@GermanBlue> want
[20:33:15] <hathor28> ty
[20:33:16] <Harelori> Your welcome
[20:33:17] <@GermanBlue> FUCK
[20:33:32] <%RareCola> want FUCK?
[20:33:45] <@GermanBlue> nah I got name raped again lol
[20:33:56] <%RareCola> only just realised? Haha
[20:34:10] <@GermanBlue> lol yeah, I was more focuse on my students
[20:34:15] <Harelori> TOTY is awesome, but I never learned of these stuff, its not something I'd like to do as other stuff
[20:34:22] <@GermanBlue> anyway, I was going to SAY,
[20:34:26] <Harelori> But most of it is amazing
[20:34:35] <@GermanBlue> I want to meet the alien from Prometheus
[20:34:41] <@GermanBlue> The Engineer
[20:34:49] <%RareCola> I still need to see that movie
[20:35:02] <@GermanBlue> oh baby, that's my advanced TOTM so help me
[20:35:04] <hathor28> lol
[20:35:05] <Exotiraan> The bot is OoC again.
[20:35:17] <@GermanBlue> Exotiraan: OoC?
[20:35:22] <Exotiraan> Out of commission.
[20:35:25] <@GermanBlue> ah
[20:35:27] <@GermanBlue> thx
[20:35:34] <fennecgirl> I may try the TOTY next year, but I think it's definitely beyond my abilities at the moment
[20:35:50] <Harelori> If you believe hard enough
[20:36:03] <%RareCola> Has anyone actually completed the advanced TOTM yet?
[20:36:06] <%RareCola> I haven't seen any golden wings this month
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[20:36:13] <Harelori> fennce
[20:36:39] <@GermanBlue> RareCola: NO! Kinda surprised
[20:36:42] <Harelori> If you'll prepare yourself this night, believe with all of your heart that you'll have an LD today, without a single doubt
[20:36:45] <@GermanBlue> haven't even read any attempts yet
[20:36:48] <Harelori> You will have one today
[20:36:51] <@GermanBlue> that I remember
[20:36:55] <@GermanBlue> did I make it too hard?
[20:36:59] <%RareCola> Haha, it is a pretty hard one to accomplish though
[20:37:06] <%RareCola> I don't think it's too hard just...
[20:37:11] <%RareCola> a bit complex, maybe
[20:37:12] <@GermanBlue> kinda out there?
[20:37:14] <%RareCola> Interesting though
[20:37:33] <Harelori> Ophelia
[20:37:40] <Harelori> Have you ever gone through sleep paralysis?
[20:37:48] <%RareCola> Still got another 10 days to do it though!
[20:38:02] <%RareCola> If I can properly break this dry spell I should hopefully have enough time to attempt it at least
[20:38:08] <@GermanBlue> Harelori: yes I get it sometimes, not too often though
[20:38:10] <Harelori> I heard its horrible, even though if you conquer your fear and realize its a dream, you won't be afraid
[20:38:16] <Harelori> How is it like?
[20:38:28] <%RareCola> Sleep paralysis is whatever you imagine it to be like
[20:38:34] <@GermanBlue> brb 1 min
[20:38:45] <Harelori> My brother experienced it once, he felt a heavy thing on hes chest (a symptom)
[20:38:55] <Harelori> And he saw a guy, dressed up with thieves clothes
[20:39:03] <Harelori> aiming a pistol at his chest
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[20:39:11] <Exotiraan> It is as horrible (or sexy—[Grins.]) as you make of it.
[20:39:13] <Harelori> He couldn't move
[20:39:13] <Exotiraan> @ Harelori
[20:39:23] <%RareCola> Sleep paralysis has way too much attention in the lucid dreaming community
[20:39:29] <%RareCola> I feel, anyway
[20:39:38] <Harelori> You should give everything attention
[20:39:45] <%RareCola> It shouldn't be something you aim for, nor even really pay any attention to if it does happen
[20:39:59] <Exotiraan> RareCola: If it wasn't for sleep paralysis, I'd know nothign of lucid dreaming.
[20:40:13] <Harelori> You can turn it to your advantage if you'll use it correctly
[20:40:18] <%RareCola> I get that, but the goal is to become lucid, not to enter sleep paralysis
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[20:40:28] <Harelori> Everyone has different goals
[20:40:34] <Exotiraan> RareCola: Oh, you mean like that.
[20:40:41] <%RareCola> well, I assume your goal is become lucid if you're WILDing.
[20:40:42] <Exotiraan> In that case, I agrees.
[20:40:45] ShockWave [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave|Away
[20:40:49] ShockWave|Asleep [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave
[20:40:51] <Harelori> Perhaps your goals and my goals are the same, but there are others
[20:40:57] ShockWave [[email protected]] is now known as NoLongerWave`
[20:41:03] ShockWave|Away [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave
[20:41:03] <Harelori> who wants to have a sleep paralysis
[20:41:07] <%RareCola> ShockWave spammin' up the chat
[20:41:22] <Harelori> I'll bid you farewells in around 10 mins
[20:41:31] <Harelori> 4:50 am already, stayed up for this class ;]
[20:41:39] <%RareCola> Haha ouch
[20:41:49] <%RareCola> 2:41am here and I thought that was late
[20:41:58] <@GermanBlue> thought I lost my phone
[20:42:24] <%RareCola> That would have been a tragedy
[20:42:36] <@GermanBlue> yes it would have been!
[20:42:42] <Harelori> Unless you have one of these old nokias :3
[20:42:53] <@GermanBlue> I apoloze for being so scattered tonight
[20:42:53] Exotiraan might to to bed earlier, since he currently doesn't have any stories to be obsessively reading, ATM.
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[20:43:04] <@GermanBlue> hello Evolventity
[20:43:04] <hathor28> hi evol
[20:43:04] <Exotiraan> (Or any programming to be obsessively working on.)
[20:43:08] <hathor28>
[20:43:18] <@GermanBlue> hope class is up to your standards this evening
[20:43:23] <&ShockWave> nice name lisa
[20:43:27] <&ShockWave> GBGBGBGBGB
[20:43:28] <@GermanBlue> yeah yeaaaaah
[20:43:30] <Evolventity> Uhh hi
[20:43:34] <Harelori> Exo I can tell you a story ;]
[20:43:35] <hathor28> ?
[20:43:38] <Evolventity> !whois GermanBlue
[20:43:42] <@GermanBlue> at least my initials aren't a tampon brand anymore
[20:43:43] <hathor28> lmao
[20:43:52] <@GermanBlue> bot's busted evolve
[20:43:57] <Evolventity> Why
[20:44:08] <@GermanBlue> I dunno, that's what Exotiraan said
[20:44:14] <hathor28> lol
[20:44:19] <Evolventity> Who is GermanBlue?
[20:44:23] <%RareCola> Ophelia
[20:44:24] <@GermanBlue> OpheliaBlue
[20:44:28] <hathor28> XD
[20:44:30] <Evolventity> Oh Derp
[20:44:31] <Exotiraan> The bot got hit by an Aperture Science High-Energuy Pellet.
[20:44:35] <@GermanBlue> Alex never rapes my second name, just the first one
[20:44:37] Channel CTCP AVATAR request from Evolventity [[email protected]] (AVATAR), replied
[20:44:46] <Harelori> I wanna do the same : http://www.dreamviews.com/f60/spoke-...t-time-128793/
[20:44:56] <Harelori> Just ask different questions
[20:45:02] <hathor28> idc for names
[20:45:02] <@GermanBlue> GOD I read that as poke-my-dream-guide
[20:45:10] <%RareCola> He keeps things on frontal raping terms.
[20:45:16] <@GermanBlue> LMAO
[20:45:21] <hathor28> lol
[20:45:24] <Exotiraan> RareCola: I thought hat was pony.
[20:45:42] <Harelori> I want to visit wonderland
[20:45:52] <hathor28> if its about guides names isnt important to me
[20:46:00] <Exotiraan> At least he has the decency to drag his victims to a cave, first, instead of doing it right in front of everyone.
[20:46:10] <Exotiraan> ...Sometimes.
[20:46:17] <Harelori> 3029 - Wander/fly around to see what you unconscious mind has to show you
[20:46:23] <Harelori> ^
[20:46:28] <hathor28> tricking me smh
[20:46:44] <Evolventity> xvanillaxbear: Don’t hate me because I’m vegan. Hate me because I’m an asshole.
[20:46:48] <Evolventity> Lawl'd.
[20:47:00] <%RareCola> I've done that before, Harelori -- it's interesting to see what you find
[20:47:06] <hathor28> we all know ur a vegan evol
[20:47:10] <hathor28> lol
[20:47:14] <Harelori> What'd you see? :]
[20:47:16] <Evolventity> That wasn't the...
[20:47:34] <hathor28> lawl
[20:47:41] <Harelori> Oh Ophelia
[20:47:45] <Harelori> I've got a question for you
[20:47:51] <@GermanBlue> shoot
[20:47:51] <%RareCola> Er last time I did it I found a wizardry school.
[20:47:55] <Harelori> Have you ever heard music you like in your LD?
[20:48:00] <Harelori> I mean as background music
[20:48:03] <hathor28> yes harel
[20:48:11] <@GermanBlue> you mean music that I had never heard anywhere before?
[20:48:13] <Evolventity> I've heard music from the radio in my LD
[20:48:15] <Harelori> hathor you've done it?
[20:48:18] <Harelori> Doesn't matter
[20:48:20] <Harelori> Any music
[20:48:25] <hathor28> yes and no radio was on
[20:48:25] <Evolventity> Like waking life radio
[20:48:39] <%RareCola> I don't ever have background music, but I've heard music being played or sung random songs. Even had songs combine together into a new song, which still surprisingly sounds good.
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[20:49:07] <@GermanBlue> I sometimes hear a familiar song, but what's really notable is when I hear very clear HH music
[20:49:22] <hathor28> it was with my dream guy lol i was probably share dreaming lol
[20:49:26] <@GermanBlue> it's as if someone put a symphony orchestra in my room
[20:49:33] <Harelori> 2994: Play a game of chess with my subconscious and see who wins.
[20:49:36] ShockWave [[email protected]] is now known as HerrSchockWeiv`
[20:49:45] <hathor28> i might have got the music from his dream
[20:50:01] <Harelori> Ophelia, can you give me a goal?
[20:50:07] <Harelori> Something to do in my LD
[20:50:10] <hathor28> i hear the beat of the song
[20:50:15] <Harelori> I might even do it tonight ;]
[20:50:18] <%RareCola> I'd really like to experience the whole HH process sometime
[20:50:19] <hathor28> like instrumental
[20:50:32] <%RareCola> Had no experience with it at all yet
[20:50:35] <hathor28> lyrics are off cant make them out
[20:50:44] <hathor28> but i know the beat
[20:50:49] <Harelori> HH process?
[20:50:59] <Harelori> hallucinations?
[20:51:03] <@GermanBlue> RareCola: I could probably count on one hand the times I remember having really clear HH, it is cool though
[20:51:05] <%RareCola> yea
[20:51:07] <Harelori> hypnogogic, right
[20:51:07] <Harelori> ?
[20:51:15] <Harelori> Did I mispell it?
[20:51:20] <%RareCola> Yep, hypnagogic hallucinations.
[20:51:21] <@GermanBlue> Harelori: a goal? what do you mean
[20:51:25] <%RareCola> Auditory and visual I want to experience
[20:51:27] <Harelori> A thing to do
[20:51:34] <Harelori> fly, walk through the wall
[20:51:47] <Harelori> a creative goal, if you may
[20:52:06] <Harelori> such as "Have a debate with your mind"
[20:52:06] <hathor28> change gender lol
[20:52:15] <@GermanBlue> yeah go for the gender bender
[20:52:16] <hathor28> transform
[20:52:20] <@GermanBlue> definitely
[20:52:25] <Harelori> gender bender?
[20:52:29] <Harelori> hathor
[20:52:33] <hathor28> i did for a purpose tho
[20:52:33] <Harelori> that's on the list
[20:52:36] <Harelori> the morph
[20:52:36] <@GermanBlue> OH turn into a vampire of the opposite gender
[20:52:45] <Harelori> that could be nice
[20:52:53] <Harelori> I've watched True Blood, if you know the show
[20:53:03] <Harelori> Its about vampires, so my mind won't find it hard to imagine
[20:53:04] <Harelori> :d
[20:53:05] <hathor28> i might have out-did my guide tricking me lol
[20:53:17] <%RareCola> True Blood is about vampires? I thought it was about violent sex
[20:53:20] <%RareCola> Lmao
[20:53:25] <@GermanBlue> haha
[20:53:36] <@GermanBlue> wait
[20:53:40] <Harelori> that to
[20:53:40] <@GermanBlue> can't tell if srs
[20:53:50] <%RareCola> I'm not, just mocking HBO shows
[20:53:51] <Harelori> Its a mix of both
[20:53:57] <Harelori> LOL
[20:54:03] <%RareCola> I must admit though, HBO shows are great for dream inspiration.
[20:54:04] <hathor28> srs?
[20:54:07] <%RareCola> Gotta love some Game of Thrones
[20:54:11] <Harelori> Rare
[20:54:14] <Harelori> you were right
[20:54:23] <Harelori> Even though I pass the sex parts quickly
[20:54:31] <Harelori> Its nasty over there
[20:54:32] <hathor28> lol
[20:54:43] <@GermanBlue> I haven't seen game of thrones
[20:55:13] <Harelori> "2962- have such a long dick to make a lasso "
[20:55:14] <Harelori> LOL
[20:55:22] <%RareCola> I'd really recommend it. Even if you're not a fan of fantasy it's a great show
[20:56:04] <@GermanBlue> I'll have to check it out!
[20:56:08] <%RareCola> And the CGI is breath-taking, hence I love it for dream inspiration
[20:56:26] <Harelori> Oh
[20:56:28] <@GermanBlue> I love breathtaking CGI, you'll love Prometheus
[20:56:29] <Harelori> Ophelia, rare
[20:56:37] <@GermanBlue> talk about dream candy for the advanced task
[20:56:39] <Harelori> Have you guys found out your favorite creature to morph into yet?
[20:56:44] <@GermanBlue> the entire movie is gorgeous
[20:56:59] <%RareCola> Haha, I really need to see it
[20:57:11] <%RareCola> &Nope, I've never morphed into a creature I don't think, Harelori
[20:57:15] <@GermanBlue> Harelori: I only morphed into a werewolf once, and it was cool.. I felt really powerful
[20:57:28] <Harelori> That's amazing
[20:57:29] <@GermanBlue> and wild
[20:57:37] <%RareCola> But yea, it's really hard to hate a show or movie when it has such amazing CGI, you just have to appreciate it.
[20:57:38] <@GermanBlue> and dangerous, yeah now I want to do it again
[20:57:43] <%RareCola> Harry Potter is another one with gorgeous CGI
[20:57:47] <Harelori> I once morphed into a monkey, then morphed back into a human when I saw my friends
[20:57:52] <Harelori> It was a non-lucid dream tho
[20:57:53] <@GermanBlue> I agree, LOTR too?
[20:58:10] <%RareCola> Yep, LOTR is great
[20:58:19] <Harelori> Well, I'll call it a night
[20:58:23] <Harelori> Its been a pleasure
[20:58:27] <@GermanBlue> I love Rivendel, they had miniatures, bigatures, and a made up background
[20:58:28] <hathor28> gn
[20:58:30] <Harelori> Good night class mates!
[20:58:32] <@GermanBlue> ok see ya Harelori
[20:58:35] <%RareCola> Alright, thanks for staying up so late to join us Harelori!
[20:58:37] <%RareCola> Have a good ngiht
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[20:58:47] <@GermanBlue> let me know how your vampire transgender experience goes
[20:58:49] <hathor28> hi dave
[20:58:52] <DaveTheJoker> hey hey hey
[20:58:53] <hathor28> lmao
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[20:58:58] <@GermanBlue> hey dave
[20:58:59] <DaveTheJoker> Made it
[20:59:03] <hathor28> no
[20:59:05] <%RareCola> Made it... for 1 minute.
[20:59:07] <%RareCola> Lmao
[20:59:08] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[20:59:08] <hathor28> lol
[20:59:12] <@GermanBlue> HAHA
[20:59:25] <DaveTheJoker> we were on a wild goose chase
[20:59:29] <DaveTheJoker> just got back
[20:59:49] <%RareCola> We were just talking about dream inspiration from TV shows and movies. Game of Thrones, True Blood, Prometheus, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings
[20:59:55] <@GermanBlue> literally chasing wild geese?
[21:00:02] <DaveTheJoker> no...
[21:00:03] <DaveTheJoker> LOL
[21:00:11] <DaveTheJoker> Although
[21:00:18] <DaveTheJoker> I always have wanted to shoot geese
[21:00:28] <%RareCola> Evil
[21:00:32] <@GermanBlue> oh cool RareCola... which Harry Potter had the most breath taking CGI in your opinion?
[21:00:33] <DaveTheJoker> not ducks
[21:00:35] <DaveTheJoker> geese
[21:00:59] <DaveTheJoker> I think movies like the matrix or inception
[21:01:02] <DaveTheJoker> would inspire me more
[21:01:20] <DaveTheJoker> where is errybody
[21:01:24] <@GermanBlue> I love the ship in part IV
[21:01:28] <%RareCola> Hmm, well the last movies obviously had better CGI than the first
[21:01:39] <DaveTheJoker> Lol Prometheus
[21:01:40] <@GermanBlue> ok I'm going to go log chat, my family is demanding a dessert
[21:01:49] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[21:01:55] <DaveTheJoker> I dont get dessert when I demand it?
[21:01:58] <DaveTheJoker> what is up
[21:02:00] <DaveTheJoker> with this shit
[21:02:21] <%RareCola> Alright Lisa -- let me know if you watch Game of Thrones, I'd love to see what you think
[21:02:28] <DaveTheJoker> RareCola: did you see prometheus?
[21:02:33] <%RareCola> I haven't
[21:02:34] <%RareCola> I want to
[21:02:37] <DaveTheJoker> me too
[21:02:42] <@GermanBlue> ok RareCola, I will
[21:03:15] <@GermanBlue> I saw Prometheus, just this: do NOT go with the expectation that every single alien question you have about the 4 alien movies will be answered in full
[21:03:28] <@GermanBlue> it's meant to make you go nuts with ideas and speculation
[21:03:33] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[21:03:40] <DaveTheJoker> is it like alien 2
[21:03:46] <DaveTheJoker> oh never mind
[21:03:46] <@GermanBlue> and to make love with the beauty of the movie with your eyes
[21:03:50] <DaveTheJoker> why am I asking
[21:03:53] <%RareCola> I lot of people hated it, but then I always seem to love movies that people hate.
[21:03:56] <%RareCola> I'm backwards like that
[21:04:08] <DaveTheJoker> well I heard prometheus was sposed to be good
[21:04:09] <@GermanBlue> I hated it when I saw it, then after I calmed down, I was like Ooooohhhhhh
[21:04:24] <@GermanBlue> but we americans have no patience
[21:04:24] <%RareCola> It got too much hype I think
[21:04:27] <%RareCola> and everyone was let down
[21:04:27] <@GermanBlue> yes and that
[21:04:36] <@GermanBlue> can't treat it TOO much like a prequel
[21:04:40] <@GermanBlue> even though it technically is
[21:04:56] <@GermanBlue> it's kinda of a stand alone movie, and there's going to be another of course
[21:06:06] <%RareCola> Anyway,
[21:06:09] <%RareCola> !brb a minute
[21:06:10] RareCola [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola|BRB
[21:06:11] <@GermanBlue> !away
[21:06:12] GermanBlue [[email protected]] is now known as GermanBlue|Away

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Monday, July 23rd, at 8pm CST
• Tuesday, July 24th, at 8pm CST

Prepare your inboxes folks, a chat notice will be sent prior to the class as a reminder!

Monday, July 23, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:54:55] OpheliaBlue|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[19:55:27] <@OpheliaBlue> hey eMCLucid!
[19:55:31] <@OpheliaBlue> and DaveTheJoker|BRB
[19:55:38] <eMCLucid> Hey OpheliaBlue! (: It's been a while
[19:55:58] <@OpheliaBlue> DaveTheJoker|BRB: calm down and act normal when the class starts in 5 minutes please
[19:56:08] <realdealmagic|BRB> That's fine, I don't want to be acknowledged.
[19:56:10] <realdealmagic|BRB> !back
[19:56:10] realdealmagic|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as realdealmagic
[19:56:13] <@OpheliaBlue> eMCLucid: yeah I had a looong work weekend from hell
[19:56:16] <@OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic!
[19:56:16] <DaveTheJoker|BRB> OpheliaBlue: LOL you arent the only one to tell me that
[19:56:16] <realdealmagic> IT'S FINE.
[19:56:28] <@OpheliaBlue> awwww you poor thing
[19:56:31] <@OpheliaBlue> both of you
[19:56:43] <@OpheliaBlue> ok hold a sec while I finish my family's dinner
[19:56:48] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll be back in a min
[19:56:57] <eMCLucid> OpheliaBlue: I've been extremely busy myself, real life obligations suck Ready to focus fully on dreaming again though!
[19:57:07] <DaveTheJoker|BRB> greetings RareCola
[19:57:09] <DaveTheJoker|BRB> !back
[19:57:10] DaveTheJoker|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as DaveTheJoker
[19:57:27] <%RareCola> Oh thank god there's a class tonight. Been working all day and was worried I hadn't had enough lucidy thoughts to have any luck tonight
[19:57:31] <%RareCola> Hi all
[19:57:39] <realdealmagic> Heyup RareCola
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[19:57:57] <DaveTheJoker> yea shit be real
[19:58:01] <DaveTheJoker> hey kraom
[19:58:02] <kraom> hello everyone
[19:58:07] <%RareCola> hey kraom
[19:58:11] <SirCronus> HEllloooooo
[19:58:36] <realdealmagic> Hey SirCronus
[19:58:38] <kraom> well im going to get some food
[19:58:39] <kraom> !brb
[19:58:40] kraom [[email protected]] is now known as kraom|BRB
[19:58:41] <realdealmagic> First time on IRC I see!
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[19:59:08] <SirCronus> can someone help me out? how do you change your name/status?
[19:59:12] <realdealmagic> Hello Superdub49
[19:59:18] <realdealmagic> You basically don;t.
[19:59:26] <%RareCola> You can't change your name unless you're a premium member.
[19:59:33] <Exotiraan> SirCronus: !away, !here, !sleep, !awake, !brb, etc.
[19:59:33] <SirCronus> ahhhhh gotcha
[19:59:35] <%RareCola> To change your status, just type !brb, !away, !asleep
[19:59:37] <%RareCola> etc
[19:59:40] <Exotiraan> But that's all you get as a regular user.
[19:59:47] <DaveTheJoker> grunt
[19:59:55] <SirCronus> okay, thanks! i was watching everyone do that, and it got me thinking haha
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[20:00:36] <%RareCola> hey Superdub49 and fennecgirl
[20:00:38] <fennecgirl> hi
[20:00:52] <%RareCola> OpheliaBlue is away momentarily, class will get started shortly
[20:00:56] <@OpheliaBlue> !back
[20:00:58] <DaveTheJoker> its 9:00 lets get crackin
[20:01:01] <DaveTheJoker> who needs her
[20:01:05] <DaveTheJoker> oop
[20:01:05] <realdealmagic> Oh RareCola, listen to you bein' all official ;D
[20:01:05] <DaveTheJoker> s
[20:01:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm here goofy buns
[20:01:07] <realdealmagic> Turns me on.
[20:01:15] <kraom|BRB> !back
[20:01:17] kraom|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as kraom
[20:01:21] <Superdub49> hi OpiateBlue
[20:01:23] <%RareCola> LOL
[20:01:31] <DaveTheJoker> I should go running
[20:01:34] <DaveTheJoker> !away
[20:01:36] DaveTheJoker [[email protected]] is now known as DaveTheJoker|Away
[20:01:42] <%RareCola> I'm british realdealmagic. Fancy words are part of my awesomeness
[20:01:53] <realdealmagic> As am I, high 5 :L
[20:01:54] <@OpheliaBlue> so what's up guys
[20:01:57] <realdealmagic> 2am for you too?
[20:02:00] <DaveTheJoker|Away> op never mind
[20:02:03] <@OpheliaBlue> apparently realdealmagic is up
[20:02:05] <DaveTheJoker|Away> !back
[20:02:05] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:02:07] <Superdub49> OpheliaBlue I have a problem
[20:02:07] <%RareCola> Oh awesome, high5
[20:02:11] <DaveTheJoker|Away> if I went running I would throw up
[20:02:13] <realdealmagic> I am!
[20:02:13] <Superdub49> er.. one second
[20:02:14] <@OpheliaBlue> what's up Superdub49
[20:02:18] <realdealmagic> And that doesn't happen often.
[20:02:25] <realdealmagic> Everyone. I grace you with my presence. Be in awe.
[20:02:25] <kraom> i went for a run the other day..
[20:02:33] <Superdub49> my Webchats dumb on Chrome, switching to Firefox
[20:02:33] <%RareCola> It's far too hot tonight. Sleeping will be a fun experience
[20:02:35] DaveTheJoker|Away [[email protected]] is now known as DaveTheJoker
[20:02:41] <DaveTheJoker> phun
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[20:02:50] <Superdub49^> k
[20:02:51] <Superdub49^> i'm back
[20:02:55] <@OpheliaBlue> wb
[20:03:04] <DaveTheJoker> wub wub dub
[20:03:10] <Superdub49^> now, I got lucid today, but when I reality checked, everything went black
[20:03:20] <%RareCola> That happens to me sometimes
[20:03:21] <@OpheliaBlue> (also, hey RareCola ) )
[20:03:22] <Superdub49^> and this has happened multiple times before
[20:03:22] <SirCronus> damn :/ still haven't gotten one
[20:03:24] <DaveTheJoker> me too
[20:03:30] <%RareCola> Hey Lisa <3
[20:03:31] <fennecgirl> I got lucid this morning
[20:03:35] <realdealmagic> I''ve decided that I know lots and lots of shit about LDing, but have no experience to back it up. This means I shall be pro when I lucid.
[20:03:47] <fennecgirl> It was actually stable and lasted a few minutes or so
[20:03:51] <%RareCola> When you reality check and wake up, it's usually because you're already close to the end of your sleep cycle and the bump in consciousness is enough to jolt you into the waking world prematurely
[20:03:51] <kraom> havent been sleeping well got a pretty bad sunburn. pretty annoying
[20:03:52] <@OpheliaBlue> Superdub49^: that happens to me from time to time also. hat happens right after the blackout?
[20:04:12] <fennecgirl> I couldn't control the dream, though, even though I had control over my own actions
[20:04:18] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah RareCola, I was thinking the same thing, I have that issue too sometimes
[20:04:19] <Superdub49^> well I usually just lose lucidity eventually
[20:04:25] <Superdub49^> but this time, I pryed my eyes open
[20:04:32] <Superdub49^> and I had an FA
[20:04:34] <DaveTheJoker> I had recall today
[20:04:38] <realdealmagic> I've been thinking about things to do with dream control and stuff. I'll wait until everyone else has had their shot though
[20:04:42] <Superdub49^> my RC failed in the FA though
[20:04:52] <kraom> i had two RCs fail me the other day.
[20:04:54] <kraom> >:C
[20:04:56] <fennecgirl> Same with me!
[20:05:10] <Superdub49^> see
[20:05:13] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah RCs are actually your friend! you just need to be really really aware when you wake up
[20:05:14] <%RareCola> realdealmagic: I'm quite similar, I have so much theoretical knowledge in lucid dreaming but only had 15 lucid dreams to put it into practice
[20:05:19] <SirCronus> I don't know if i have RC's in my dreams being that i have terrible dream recall
[20:05:21] <fennecgirl> The dream actually started with a false awakening, so I thought I'd just woken up without remembering any dreams
[20:05:22] <Superdub49^> Normally if a RC fails, and I can tell it's a dream i'm fine
[20:05:25] <realdealmagic> I've had none, hi 5 me! :L
[20:05:27] <Superdub49^> but it was a pretty realistic FA
[20:05:43] <kraom> all my FAs are realistic.
[20:05:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I know I know
[20:05:45] <fennecgirl> I did an RC when I saw a Pikachu bead sprite up on my wall, since it's not there IRL
[20:06:06] <fennecgirl> But my RC passed just like it would if I was awake
[20:06:23] <%RareCola> RCs quite often pass in FAs, I've found.
[20:06:24] <@OpheliaBlue> my lucid dreams have a very odd and specific feel, no matter how clear and vivid, there's a kind of loopy, highness that goes along with it
[20:06:41] <fennecgirl> Luckily, though, I checked my iPod to see what time it was. My iPod said it was 103:53, and that's how I knew I was dreaming.
[20:06:41] <@OpheliaBlue> I lock on to those sensations, which help me realize I'm having an FA shortly after the onset
[20:06:43] <%RareCola> I've even checked the time and began reading a previous dream in my dream journal during a False Awakening, and nothing was different.
[20:06:44] <Superdub49^> lucky... you get lucid and high at the same time.
[20:06:45] <@OpheliaBlue> does that make sense?
[20:07:06] <SirCronus> Getting high in a lucid...
[20:07:12] <DaveTheJoker> every time I wake up I look at the clock
[20:07:16] <@OpheliaBlue> haha, well, sometimes the loopiness gets too distracting for me to do what I want
[20:07:17] <%RareCola> I think that sort of thing only comes with practice, Ophelia
[20:07:17] <DaveTheJoker> isnt that an RC?
[20:07:23] <@OpheliaBlue> yes dave
[20:07:23] <Superdub49^> I hate DILDs..
[20:07:31] <%RareCola> I'm just now beginning to fully understand how lucid dreams "feel"
[20:07:34] <realdealmagic> Yeah, you have to be in lucids enough to actually notice the feelings
[20:07:43] <SirCronus> Am i the only one to not have gotten an LD yet?
[20:07:44] <realdealmagic> Let me know when I can spool out my theoretical shite btw.
[20:07:46] <Superdub49^> My recall on them is always strange.. I don't know if I actually had control or not.
[20:07:47] <%RareCola> It takes a while to build up that sensation recognition
[20:07:51] <realdealmagic> No, I haven't SirCronus.
[20:08:00] <@OpheliaBlue> DILDs are fine in and of themselves, but if yuo ONLY DILD, then yeah, kind of annoying to depend on only sheer randomness that you will LD
[20:08:05] <SirCronus> i'm not alone!
[20:08:11] <Superdub49^> unless you're hukif OpheliaBlue
[20:08:16] <Superdub49^> or Oreoboy
[20:08:22] <eMCLucid> I'm on a long lucid dry spell, but my focus has been off lately. DILDs come to me more frequently when I think about lucid dreaming all day
[20:08:24] <Superdub49^> or Naiya...
[20:08:26] <Superdub49^> quite a few people actually
[20:08:36] <Superdub49^> I'm going to start MILDing every night before bed
[20:08:41] <Superdub49^> along with my WILD attempts
[20:08:45] <%RareCola> DILDs are an awesome back up, and if nothing else, practicing them gets you into the mindset for lucid dreaming.
[20:08:50] <kraom> all i do is DILD
[20:08:58] <@OpheliaBlue> exactly what RareCola said
[20:09:05] <SirCronus> wild attempts are hard :p takes up energy. is that just me?
[20:09:11] <realdealmagic> I've decided I'm moving away from MILDing and going towards WILD.
[20:09:15] <Superdub49^> well SirCronus
[20:09:18] <realdealmagic> It feels more direct, so I think I like the idea better
[20:09:20] <Superdub49^> I just end up falling right back asleep
[20:09:27] <Superdub49^> so it takes no energy for me xD
[20:09:33] <%RareCola> WILD is very hard, yes. I can't practice them consistently because it cuts into my sleep so much
[20:09:35] <@OpheliaBlue> kraom: I though you did SSILD? Isn't that like an instant transition into an LD? after the sets?
[20:09:43] <kraom> nope nope
[20:09:47] <Superdub49^> I don't think WILD is hard, as much as it is time consuming
[20:09:52] <kraom> i use it to get in the mindset
[20:09:54] <kraom> for LDs
[20:09:59] <kraom> it influences future LDS
[20:10:00] <%RareCola> WILD itself isn't necessarily hard, but them mental preparation is
[20:10:02] <SirCronus> oh, it just seems like it takes quite a long time. At first i had the mindset of doing them everynight
[20:10:13] <SirCronus> but it was too much
[20:10:16] <kraom> and also apparently FAs
[20:10:18] <Superdub49^> I've decided to just do my WILDs with a MILD mantra/state of mind
[20:10:20] <Superdub49^> so even if I fail the WILD
[20:10:23] <Superdub49^> I can still MILD
[20:10:40] <kraom> so i use it as an aid..
[20:10:47] <%RareCola> That's what I do Superdub49, I find it works really well for me. Very often I've fallen asleep after attempting a WILD and had a MILD.
[20:11:13] <DaveTheJoker> I tried SSILD and mantras this morning
[20:11:13] <realdealmagic> That's what Imma do
[20:11:17] <DaveTheJoker> no Lucids...
[20:11:22] <@OpheliaBlue> anybody ever wake up with WILD vibrations, but it's too early or something so you're too tired and just pass right out again?
[20:11:33] <realdealmagic> (sidenote: MY NEW HEADPHONES ROCK
[20:11:35] <realdealmagic> )
[20:11:38] <DaveTheJoker> what do WILD vibrations feel like?
[20:11:40] <%RareCola> If you're going to try a technique, Dave, make sure you attempt it for at least 2 weeks before ruling it out
[20:11:47] <SirCronus> anything to help dream recall, besides waking up multiple timesthoughout the night?
[20:11:49] <kraom> everytime i successfully do SSILD I have a lucid.. don't know if its my own thinking that that will happen or not..
[20:11:52] <DaveTheJoker> RareCola: SSILD has worked for me in the past
[20:11:55] <realdealmagic> 2 weeks can even be a short time
[20:12:07] <realdealmagic> Right. I'm going to start with my dream control shit.
[20:12:11] <%RareCola> OpheliaBlue: I've had that before, or I just purposely avoid them because I want to write down an exciting dream
[20:12:14] <DaveTheJoker> worked the second time I tried it
[20:12:32] <DaveTheJoker> I was thinking maybe it got me a lucid
[20:12:36] <DaveTheJoker> and I just dont remember it
[20:12:38] <eMCLucid> SSILD worked for me as well
[20:12:40] <realdealmagic> Dream control, I just don't get how people can find it difficult.
[20:12:42] <kraom> it's worked i think five times now..
[20:12:44] <kraom> for me
[20:12:46] <realdealmagic> I know I haven't done it before, but still
[20:12:48] <SirCronus> ssild?
[20:12:50] <realdealmagic> Dreams work off expectations
[20:12:53] <kraom> mhmm
[20:12:57] <realdealmagic> They're driven by the,
[20:12:57] <realdealmagic> them*
[20:12:59] <DaveTheJoker> kraom: how long do you sleep after doing the reps?
[20:13:11] <realdealmagic> If you're in a dream, and you knwo you are, then you know you can do anything
[20:13:13] <kraom> how long did i sleep for? afterwards
[20:13:17] <DaveTheJoker> yes
[20:13:18] <realdealmagic> So you jus CAN do anything...
[20:13:18] <kraom> like when did the lucid hapen?
[20:13:18] <fennecgirl> Believe me, I've read a lot about dream control, even before I had my first LD
[20:13:20] <kraom> uhhh..
[20:13:23] <DaveTheJoker> yes
[20:13:25] <kraom> hmm
[20:13:27] <kraom> let me think
[20:13:29] <Superdub49^> well realdealmagic
[20:13:32] <%RareCola> Yes, realdealmagic, but you forget that in dreams your consciousness generally isn't fully there. Think about how hard it was to remember dreams before lucid dreaming practice. That's how hard it is to remember waking intentions when you're in a dream to begin with.
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[20:13:46] <fennecgirl> It sounds easy, but, when you're actually dreaming, it's not quite as easy to do it right.
[20:13:53] <kraom> one and a half to two hours
[20:13:55] <kraom> i think
[20:13:57] <Superdub49^> what they said
[20:13:59] <realdealmagic> Hmm. I suppose. But even after you've remembered that, expectations drive it...
[20:14:06] <DaveTheJoker> kraom: very intresting
[20:14:10] <realdealmagic> I think that if you expect shit to be hard because you've been pretold that, then you WILL find it har.
[20:14:10] <realdealmagic> hard*
[20:14:23] <fennecgirl> Honestly, it didn't even occur to me WHAT I wanted to do, just trying the first thing that I could think of, despite already having other goals...
[20:14:23] <DaveTheJoker> I slept more like 3.5 hours
[20:14:28] <realdealmagic> At least MORE difficult
[20:14:43] <realdealmagic> If you expect to be able to do anything in it, then you'll be able to.
[20:14:47] <DaveTheJoker> kraom: do you wake up naturally after the 1.5 to 2 hours?
[20:14:51] <realdealmagic> I don't know, I guess I won't until I practice my theory.
[20:14:55] <%RareCola> Yes, but expectation isn't everything. You need to imagine it well too
[20:14:59] <kraom> uhm nope i wake up after my LD concludes.
[20:15:02] <%RareCola> Imagining in a dream is pretty hard
[20:15:18] <realdealmagic> Why do you NEED to imagine it... Your brain can do all the hard work
[20:15:22] <realdealmagic> hell, it already does
[20:15:28] <realdealmagic> All you have to do is get the basic shape and find the schema
[20:15:32] <realdealmagic> Even for changing scene
[20:15:41] <realdealmagic> You could imagine say, a box,
[20:15:43] <realdealmagic> what is the box?
[20:15:47] <realdealmagic> It could be a multitude of things.
[20:15:50] <realdealmagic> In this case, it's a house
[20:15:52] <%RareCola> Because when you're in a certain state of consciousness you can't not imagine it
[20:15:55] <realdealmagic> Which happens to land you on a street.
[20:16:03] <DaveTheJoker> kraom: do you purposely wake up?
[20:16:11] <realdealmagic> Okay, I'll keep quiet now. Y'all continue.
[20:16:13] <DaveTheJoker> like in the dream do you wake youself up
[20:16:14] <kraom> uhm not usually..
[20:16:15] <@OpheliaBlue> you know, in my whole lucid dreaming life, I have had great success when I fantasized an entire world, or story, or theme of some kind
[20:16:22] <@OpheliaBlue> eventually my nonlucids pick up on it
[20:16:24] <kraom> once it fades i kind of wake up
[20:16:24] <@OpheliaBlue> then my lucids
[20:16:28] <%RareCola> Think about real life. When you walk through a door your unintentionally imagine what's going to be on the other side before you even get through.
[20:16:30] <kraom> although im going to start with DEILD
[20:16:31] <@OpheliaBlue> nothing wrong with a little imagination
[20:16:42] <%RareCola> Unless you control that imagination when you're in a dream, your imagination can screw you up
[20:16:50] <fennecgirl> What I tried was teleporting. It didn't occur to me to visualize where I wanted to go. I figured just telling myself where I wanted to go was enough.
[20:16:52] <realdealmagic> I'm not saying that I won't imagine things... Hell, that's what I plan on using xD
[20:16:55] <DaveTheJoker> SSILD must not be working for me yet then
[20:16:56] <fennecgirl> It didn't work.
[20:17:05] <kraom> well dont give up!
[20:17:07] <realdealmagic> Now people think I think that imagination isn't important
[20:17:13] <DaveTheJoker> I will not give up
[20:17:20] <kraom> i tried telekinesis and it didnt work..
[20:17:26] <%RareCola> No of course, but expectations aren't everything, and imagining things in lucid dreams is pretty hard because of what I said about your consciousness not fully being there
[20:17:28] <kraom> im pretty sure i know why though
[20:17:28] <realdealmagic> Visualization is important, I know that, I'm thinking of the "why" part of it is all
[20:17:37] <realdealmagic> Right. Okay Sorry, need to get practice
[20:17:39] <DaveTheJoker> !brb
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[20:17:41] <@OpheliaBlue> fennecgirl: have you ever tried to go through a door, or mirror, or a hole in the wall, something to get you where you want to be?
[20:17:59] <%RareCola> Yea, it's quite hard to explain, you'll just have to experience it for yourself, realdealmagic
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[20:18:18] <realdealmagic> M'kay
[20:18:18] <fennecgirl> No, I just closed my eyes with the intention of opening them and being somewhere else. It was my first time teleporting.
[20:18:20] <realdealmagic> Sorry
[20:18:33] <%RareCola> No need to be sorry, all theory is welcome!
[20:18:36] <@OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: sorry I didn't mean to dog ya man, I was trying to highlight the fact that when I obsess about something, in my imagination, it nearly always manifests itself in a lucid, eventually
[20:18:57] <realdealmagic> RareCola, your formality is odd. Stop eet!
[20:19:11] <kraom> like he said its his nature.
[20:19:15] <realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue: S'fine, I know what you meant :L
[20:19:27] <%RareCola> fennecgirl: I have issues teleporting too. I've found the best way is to not really think about too hard and just let it happen and flow with your imagination
[20:19:28] <Wurlman> I got to spread the word to another today interested in lucid dreaming she was so excited!!
[20:19:35] <%RareCola> and don't close your eyes, closing your eyes can easily wake you up
[20:19:43] <realdealmagic> Love it when that happens Wurlman
[20:19:52] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola is a gentleman. I'm thinking about knighting him actually. Sir Jason of DVA.
[20:19:58] <%RareCola> Haha
[20:20:02] <SirCronus> When you SSILD, do you need to think about LDing, or do you just cycle through your senses?
[20:20:05] <fennecgirl> Thanks, and it didn't wake me up, fortunately.
[20:20:14] <realdealmagic> Does this mean I shall never be apprentice?! D: :L
[20:20:17] <%RareCola> This is the issues I have with being a Surrey boy, too much poshness in my blood
[20:20:20] <kraom> oh sircronis you uhm you dont think at all
[20:20:22] <realdealmagic> I actually will never update my workbook, so I doubt I will xD
[20:20:28] <kraom> you do it sleepily
[20:20:30] <@OpheliaBlue> why not, Ridley Scott can be knighted for making sci-fi movies... why not being knighted for being a DV badass
[20:20:34] <kraom> just the "reps"
[20:20:36] <%RareCola> Though technically Ophelia, it'd be "Ser" and not "Sir" 8D
[20:20:46] <@OpheliaBlue> Ser? really? why Ser/
[20:20:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ?
[20:20:52] <SirCronus> oh? need's to be 4-5 hours into you cycle though right?
[20:21:02] <kraom> for me its 5 yea..
[20:21:09] <kraom> but it can differ person to person
[20:21:15] <SirCronus> loss of sleep D:
[20:21:23] <kraom> i wake up naturally at 4:00 Am
[20:21:25] <kraom> everyday
[20:21:36] <realdealmagic> I've decided my mantra shall be "It's my choice."
[20:21:44] <SirCronus> that's odd?
[20:21:48] <realdealmagic> Not really
[20:21:50] <%RareCola> Erm, I forget the reasoning. But in that context I'm pretty sure it's "Ser"
[20:21:52] <%RareCola> I'll have to google it
[20:21:53] <realdealmagic> It means something to me.
[20:22:03] <realdealmagic> It's my choice. I can do what I want kinda thing
[20:22:05] <realdealmagic> It's up to me
[20:22:10] <realdealmagic> I CAN lucid dream, all that shit
[20:22:16] <kraom> mantras never worked for me
[20:22:21] <realdealmagic> Idk, sounds stupid looking at it from the outside.
[20:22:23] <@OpheliaBlue> haha ok.. at any rate, I like your poshness, keeps some of this riff raff on track
[20:22:27] <@OpheliaBlue> MANNERS y'all
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[20:22:37] <fennecgirl> I don't really have a mantra; my mantra is always whatever sounds good to me that night
[20:22:38] <fennecgirl> so it varies
[20:22:39] <@OpheliaBlue> well we lost Wurlman on that one haha
[20:22:43] <realdealmagic> I just don't want to use a silly mantra like "I am dreaming." It holds no relevance to me.
[20:22:45] <kraom> we now must talk in the manner of stately gentleman..
[20:22:47] <%RareCola> That's probably because you're using them in the wrong way, kraom. So much mis-information on mantras.
[20:22:54] <@OpheliaBlue> there really is
[20:22:55] <%RareCola> and what most people coin as "mantras" is actually auto-suggestions.
[20:23:05] <fennecgirl> Although I only ever seem to LD when I take a night off from attempting to induce it...
[20:23:05] <kraom> probably ive read a few different things
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[20:23:17] <realdealmagic> Hello Caenis!
[20:23:17] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Caenis!!!
[20:23:18] <kraom> hey caenis
[20:23:22] <+Caenis> Hello all.
[20:23:23] <%RareCola> Caenis<3
[20:23:23] <realdealmagic> Haven't seen that name in a VERY long time! D
[20:23:25] <realdealmagic> *
[20:23:36] <kraom> few things ive read are contradictory to the other
[20:23:42] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +h Caenis
[20:23:51] <@OpheliaBlue> now we just need oreoboy =/
[20:23:55] <realdealmagic> His + is now gone, because I stole it.
[20:23:58] <%Caenis> Yeah, glad to see you back in the class, realdealmagic. I saw you updated your workbook recently.
[20:23:58] <realdealmagic> I stole the plus.
[20:24:01] <realdealmagic> It's mine now.
[20:24:11] <%RareCola> With auto-suggestion, the more important thing is to be completely relaxed and focus everything on drumming the suggestion into your subconscious.
[20:24:25] <%RareCola> Mantras a little different, but people seem to use auto-suggestion like mantras, and that's somewhat backwards
[20:24:28] <realdealmagic> I doubt I'll keep up the updating, it doesn't really do much for me to be honest. But thanks Caenis Took a break from LD and stuff cos life caught up with me.
[20:24:47] <realdealmagic> I said, the plus is mine now. that means I need one. I own it. Give me it. OpheliaBlue. Do as you're told. Do it.
[20:24:53] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: so how would you define a mantra as opposed to an auto-suggestion?
[20:25:00] <realdealmagic> I'm sorry, I must be annoying people. I'm at that state of tiredness that I'm hyper.
[20:25:13] <kraom> lol thats happened to me before..
[20:25:27] <@OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: yes, yes you are hyper. now go sit in the back of the class.
[20:25:30] <%Caenis> Yeah, that happens to me every so often too. Dreaming is more appealing than other reality-based activities though.
[20:25:35] <realdealmagic> FINE
[20:25:46] <kraom> take the dunce cap!
[20:25:50] realdealmagic goes and sits at the back of the class and stays silent forever. He shall never be back in the class again.
[20:26:01] realdealmagic : Yeah. Feel bad, bitches.
[20:26:07] <@OpheliaBlue> oh you poor thing
[20:26:32] <realdealmagic> You shall never be graced with my presence again.
[20:26:34] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has left #DVA: "Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"
[20:26:37] <%RareCola> Auto-suggestion is a phrase like "I will have a lucid dream tonight.", an intention you're drumming into your subconscious with the hope that it happens. A mantra on the other hand is a phrase that's meaningful to you and is used as a concentration aid
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[20:26:42] <realdealmagic> I kid, I kid.
[20:26:46] <realdealmagic> You ain't never getting rid of this rash.
[20:26:54] <@OpheliaBlue> I know
[20:26:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I look forward to scratching you
[20:27:04] RareCola puts ointment on realdealmagic
[20:27:11] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao
[20:27:15] <realdealmagic> Mmm. Lube AND scratching. I do love BDSM.
[20:27:21] <kraom> lol
[20:27:25] <realdealmagic> I am sorry. I truly am
[20:27:30] <realdealmagic> Slip of the finger.
[20:27:43] <kraom> sure...
[20:27:46] <%RareCola> Slip of the finger doesn't help the situation.
[20:27:50] <realdealmagic> Heheheheheh.
[20:27:52] <kraom> lol
[20:27:52] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: an example of a mantra? Like, what would be meaningful to someone, and how could they use it to aid concentraion in a mantra?
[20:28:13] <kraom> like realdealmagic's its my choice
[20:28:17] <kraom> is a mantra
[20:28:19] <kraom> i think
[20:28:20] <realdealmagic> Any kind of phrase or word that means something to the person.
[20:28:47] <SirCronus> !brb
[20:28:49] <realdealmagic> Whereas autosuggestions is just saying the thing you want. It holds no proper meaning or weight. These things need to act as anchors, so they need weight. The weight is meaning.
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[20:28:55] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb real quick, sorry
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[20:29:31] <%RareCola> My current mantra is "Persistence" -- it's meaningful to me because I always have issues with being persistent, so I use this phrase to remind me that I must be persistent and it aids my concentration
[20:29:51] <%RareCola> But this is the issue, so many people use auto-suggestion as a mantra and it just doesn't work
[20:30:22] <realdealmagic> Yeah. So much false information flying around. It's ashame really.
[20:30:46] <DaveTheJoker|BRB> !back
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[20:30:55] <Superdub49^> so... for MILD
[20:30:58] <DaveTheJoker> went outside to play guitar for a bit
[20:31:00] <Superdub49^> if I just say flying pig fat
[20:31:02] <Superdub49^> and put meaning to it
[20:31:03] <Superdub49^> It could work
[20:31:04] <DaveTheJoker> hi Caenis
[20:31:10] <%Caenis> Hey Dave.
[20:31:16] <%RareCola> MILD doesn't utilise mantras, really
[20:31:20] <DaveTheJoker> deer looked at me
[20:31:23] <%RareCola> MILD takes more advantage of auto-suggestion
[20:31:27] <Superdub49^> MILD uses autosuggestion..
[20:31:29] <DaveTheJoker> then continued poking around for apples
[20:31:31] <Superdub49^> wtf is the use of a mantra
[20:31:36] <DaveTheJoker> MILD
[20:31:37] <%RareCola> WILD, DEILD
[20:31:43] <kraom> could be an anchor for WILD
[20:31:49] <Superdub49^> ... couldn't I just count or some shit xD
[20:31:55] <realdealmagic> Yup :L
[20:31:55] <kraom> mhmm
[20:31:59] <DaveTheJoker> mantras do shit though
[20:32:05] <%RareCola> Counting can be a good anchor, but not as good as a mantra
[20:32:12] <Superdub49^> yes but couldn't autosuggestion work just as well
[20:32:13] <%Caenis> Did your heart go aflutter Dave? Sounds like an intimate moment between you and the deer.
[20:32:13] <kraom> although mantras are generally meaningful
[20:32:14] <Superdub49^> like
[20:32:22] <%RareCola> Not at all, Superdub49
[20:32:23] <kraom> helping the effectiveness
[20:32:23] <DaveTheJoker> lol Caenis
[20:32:27] <Superdub49^> "as soon as a dream begins to form, I become aware"
[20:32:29] <Superdub49^> or something like that
[20:32:37] <DaveTheJoker> I felt great emotion
[20:32:42] <DaveTheJoker> love and understanding
[20:32:44] <realdealmagic> That's autosuggestion
[20:32:53] <%RareCola> You plan to focus on that during a WILD attempt?
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[20:32:56] <Superdub49^> that's what I said RareCola
[20:32:57] <Superdub49^> realdealmagic
[20:33:00] <%Caenis> Hey hathor28.
[20:33:04] <Superdub49^> It's hypothetical RareCola
[20:33:05] <hathor28> hi
[20:33:07] <realdealmagic> AH right
[20:33:17] <realdealmagic> You'd be better with a mantra for WILD, not autosuggeston
[20:33:21] <realdealmagic> I think
[20:33:23] <%RareCola> A meaningless, subconscious-drumming autosuggestion can't be effective when you're WILDing
[20:33:37] <Superdub49^> but i'm doing a WILD/MILD mix
[20:33:41] <%RareCola> and why do you need something drummed into your subconscious when you're WILDing anyway?
[20:33:53] <realdealmagic> To keep you afloat.
[20:33:55] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[20:33:56] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> sorry
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[20:33:59] <DaveTheJoker> incase you fail at the WILD
[20:33:59] <realdealmagic> Also to help you actually stay aware.
[20:34:06] <realdealmagic> And so you can MILD if you fall asleep full
[20:34:08] <SirCronus|BRB> I need to go, i'll catch up at the next chat. Thanks for the tips!
[20:34:12] <realdealmagic> Bye bye
[20:34:14] <DaveTheJoker> bye
[20:34:16] <%RareCola> I do WILD/MILD mix too... a mantra can still help you with a MILD, if you get the mindset down right
[20:34:16] <hathor28> wb ophelia
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[20:34:33] <@OpheliaBlue> hey hathor28
[20:34:34] <Superdub49^> !brb
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[20:34:39] <Superdub49^|BRB> My mantra is floating pig dicks
[20:34:46] <@OpheliaBlue> no it's not
[20:34:57] <kraom> thats meaningful huh
[20:34:58] <DaveTheJoker> ok guys
[20:35:07] <Superdub49^|BRB> it's my third favorite thing in the world kraom
[20:35:12] <DaveTheJoker> why did I dream about golf in 3 different dreams last night
[20:35:12] <kraom> oh.
[20:35:13] <Superdub49^|BRB> but.. really BRB now
[20:35:13] <Superdub49^|BRB> xD
[20:35:19] <realdealmagic> I don't understand why all these people can't populate #LucidDreaming
[20:35:20] <%RareCola> I answered your question right after you went brb btw, OpheliaBlue
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[20:35:43] <fennecgirl> @DaveTheJoker: That's odd. Did you play golf yesterday? o.O
[20:35:45] <DaveTheJoker> nope
[20:35:46] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: so, the mantra is more like telling yourself to be more persistant, whereas an auto-suggestion is telling yourself to have an LD about a specific subject?
[20:35:50] <@OpheliaBlue> yes I read up
[20:35:55] <DaveTheJoker> havent really thought about golf much
[20:36:09] <fennecgirl> Weird. I had two Doctor Who dreams last night, but I did watch Doctor Who yesterday, so that explains that.
[20:36:11] <%Caenis> Well, does golf mean anything to you? Did you ever learn it, or has someone talked about it around you the past few days?
[20:36:29] <%RareCola> Well the mantra needs to be what's meaningful to you, you can't use an off-the-shelf phrase as with auto-suggestion
[20:36:29] <kraom> here you go dave
[20:36:31] <kraom> Dream Moods: Your Dream Symbol Interpretation
[20:36:33] <DaveTheJoker> nah I just play golf every so often
[20:36:35] <%Caenis> fennecgirl: I have Doctor Who dreams occasionally too. They make for interesting dreams!
[20:36:40] <%RareCola> Persistence is meaningful to me, but something else may be meaningful to someone else
[20:37:01] <Superdub49^|BRB> like floating monkey dicks
[20:37:03] <Superdub49^|BRB> ...pig
[20:37:05] <Superdub49^|BRB> whatever
[20:37:06] <Superdub49^|BRB> xD
[20:37:06] <fennecgirl> I actually was the Doctor in one of them, which is weird because I'm always myself in my dreams. o.O
[20:37:07] <Superdub49^|BRB> !back
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[20:37:09] <kraom> oh changing it!
[20:37:13] <@OpheliaBlue> it's like a more specific, personalized type of auto-suggestion then perhaps RareCola?
[20:37:22] <DaveTheJoker> I completely dissagree with that link kraom
[20:37:22] <hathor28> well had weird dreams last nite
[20:37:27] <%RareCola> Yea, I guess you could clarify it as that, OpheliaBlue
[20:37:28] <%Caenis> Hm. Well Dave, maybe how you felt in the dreams related to how you feel when you go golfing? No idea.
[20:37:29] <kraom> yea they never apply to me
[20:37:34] <kraom> but some people really like them
[20:37:35] <hathor28> i am about to post a dj soon
[20:37:43] <realdealmagic> So excited to LD tonight.
[20:37:51] <DaveTheJoker> nope it was weird
[20:37:54] <DaveTheJoker> in one dream
[20:37:57] <%Caenis> fennecgirl: That's really cool! I'm usually just watching the Doctor do his thing.
[20:38:00] <%RareCola> fennecgirl: I find that happens more and more as you practice lucid dreaming. Your increased awareness makes it easy to put yourself in other people's shoes. More literally in dreams.
[20:38:02] <hathor28> i had to meditate for 1hr for a recall
[20:38:03] <DaveTheJoker> I just happened to drive my truck through a fairway
[20:38:03] <Superdub49^> oooh
[20:38:07] <Superdub49^> I should write in my DV DJ
[20:38:11] <Superdub49^> I had some neat dreams
[20:38:19] <DaveTheJoker> on my way of taking this girl to this hospital
[20:38:19] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: haha, I promise I'm not trying to shove the definitions into a box, I admit I was unaware of the specific difference until you pointed it out. So I thought maybe others were as well, and would benefit from our Q.A. on it.
[20:38:24] <hathor28> and do wbtb
[20:38:36] <kraom> well dave it sounds like your dreams are getting more exciting ehh/
[20:38:42] <Superdub49^> Yeah, I always categorized mantra and Autosuggestion as the same
[20:38:58] <Superdub49^> well... I still do, but now ill think of floating pig dicks everytime I hear 'mantra'
[20:39:05] <%Caenis> Wow hathor28 that's impressive. I wouldn't have the patience to meditate for an hour to remember my dream.
[20:39:15] <%RareCola> To put it simply, Mantra: A concentration aid -- more meditative. Auto-suggestion: Suggesting something to yourself, drumming it into your subconscious, with hope that it carries through into the dream world.
[20:39:19] <hathor28> i did meditation and wbtb
[20:39:25] <Superdub49^> ok...
[20:39:33] <Superdub49^> that definition still makes autosuggestion sound cooler
[20:39:35] <Superdub49^> xD
[20:39:40] <@OpheliaBlue> man I'm glad we have these classes in here.. we need to clarify as many definitions as possible, since misunderstandings of them happen frequently
[20:39:42] <%RareCola> They just have different uses
[20:39:46] <@OpheliaBlue> myself included
[20:39:55] <hathor28> had to go back to bed and meditation makes me sleepy again lol
[20:40:12] <Superdub49^> my mantra
[20:40:13] <Superdub49^> banana
[20:40:18] <%RareCola> Mantras aren't all that useful for DILDs and MILDs, if that's all your aiming for. But they can help with the lucid mindset in general. They're more for WILDs and DEILDs, though.
[20:40:42] <%RareCola> Which makes sense, as WILDs and DEILDs are more meditative practices anyway
[20:41:16] <Superdub49^> so.. a mantra can be a phrase right
[20:41:19] <Superdub49^> like.. Peace be still
[20:41:21] <Superdub49^> or some shit
[20:41:22] <realdealmagic> yes
[20:41:35] <%RareCola> Yea, a mantra is a less commanding phrase, generally though
[20:41:37] <Superdub49^> Eww...
[20:41:41] <@OpheliaBlue> does Peace, be still and some shit mean something personal to you Superdub49^?
[20:41:52] <Superdub49^> it was just a hypothetical question OpheliaBlue
[20:41:54] <hathor28> yes
[20:41:55] <kraom> no no its flying pig dicks
[20:41:57] <Superdub49^> That's not what i plan on using
[20:42:00] <hathor28> Jesus
[20:42:03] <@OpheliaBlue> Superdub49^: yeah I got that
[20:42:08] <Superdub49^>
[20:42:13] <Superdub49^> I just heard it in a meditation video once
[20:42:22] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeaaaah, me too
[20:42:22] <Superdub49^> er.. Peace, be still..
[20:42:26] <@OpheliaBlue> who the hell WAS that?
[20:42:27] <Superdub49^> not flying pig dicks
[20:42:33] <%RareCola> I'm going to link to the forever wise Sageous again. If you want to know any more about mantras: http://www.dreamviews.com/f156/wild-...matter-132835/
[20:42:34] <hathor28> ?
[20:42:36] <@OpheliaBlue> some chic on some video? I forgot
[20:42:43] <Superdub49^> oh I got mine from a dude
[20:42:47] <Superdub49^> like some new age hippy dude
[20:42:48] <@OpheliaBlue> thank you RareCola
[20:42:53] <realdealmagic> That's where I got my definition from!
[20:43:09] <DaveTheJoker> ?? MILD
[20:43:14] <DaveTheJoker> damn
[20:43:25] <realdealmagic> Try in #LucidDreaming
[20:43:27] <DaveTheJoker> done
[20:43:29] <Superdub49^> I got mine from this video OpheliaBlue The BEST Way to Meditate - YouTube
[20:43:42] <Superdub49^> it's a really good video too
[20:43:48] <Superdub49^> for any interested in meditation
[20:44:31] <DaveTheJoker> so I parked my truck in the middle of the fairway at this golf corse
[20:44:45] <kraom> has the girl died yer
[20:44:46] <kraom> yet
[20:44:49] <DaveTheJoker> and the woman got out of the passenger seat
[20:44:50] <@OpheliaBlue> Superdub49^: oh that's not the one I was thinking of, but I may watch it anyway just because he looks hot
[20:44:59] <hathor28> guess im going to do my dj now
[20:45:09] <DaveTheJoker> and then some angry golfers started attacking me
[20:45:18] <%RareCola> LOL Lisa, great reason to watch something!
[20:45:20] <Superdub49^> haha OpheliaBlue
[20:45:21] <DaveTheJoker> so I tore around in circles
[20:45:29] <%Caenis> He certainly does have some epic facial hair, Superdub49^
[20:45:38] <Superdub49^> that he does
[20:45:43] <@OpheliaBlue> you're laughing but I'm serious
[20:45:51] <DaveTheJoker> I do that all the time
[20:45:51] <kraom> now i have to look
[20:46:00] <hathor28> lmao@ dave
[20:46:02] <%RareCola> His hair is slightly afro-like though
[20:46:13] <hathor28> golfers attacking u with clubs
[20:46:15] <@OpheliaBlue> my first was a white guy with a fro lol
[20:46:20] <@OpheliaBlue> but I DIGRESS
[20:46:22] <Superdub49^> ...
[20:46:24] <DaveTheJoker> lol like you dont do the same thing
[20:46:25] <Superdub49^> ok..
[20:46:31] <Superdub49^> now we're getting into some interesting topics OpheliaBlue
[20:46:32] <hathor28> in real?
[20:46:33] <Superdub49^> go on
[20:46:40] <@OpheliaBlue> at any rate
[20:47:06] <@OpheliaBlue> lately 've been having some dream signs repeat themselves alot
[20:47:08] <@OpheliaBlue> like really alot
[20:47:16] <hathor28> dave
[20:47:20] <DaveTheJoker> I think I was driving a pregnant woman to a hospital in my dream
[20:47:27] <@OpheliaBlue> haha really?
[20:47:29] <@OpheliaBlue> you'rework?
[20:47:31] <DaveTheJoker> yea
[20:47:35] <%RareCola> I haven't focused on dream signs for a long time, been meaning to start it up again but so much effort
[20:47:38] <Superdub49^> http://www.dreamviews.com/f21/dv-cha...7/index37.html
[20:47:43] <%Caenis> =O You knocked someone up Dave?
[20:47:47] <DaveTheJoker> lol no
[20:47:50] <DaveTheJoker> I just got the outcome
[20:47:52] <hathor28> what u mean if i do the same?
[20:48:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll be honest, I don't focus on dream signs all that much, until they happen alot. More of an effect than a cause, if that makes sense.
[20:48:10] <realdealmagic> outcum*
[20:48:12] <hathor28> interrupting a golf game ? LOL
[20:48:16] <@OpheliaBlue> HAHAHAA
[20:48:16] <DaveTheJoker> yes
[20:48:23] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao hathor
[20:48:23] <hathor28> i dont do it
[20:48:35] <hathor28> nor in real or dreams
[20:48:43] <%RareCola> Yea, occasionally I'll get a really obvious repeating dream sign that I'll focus on
[20:48:49] <DaveTheJoker> for some reason the hospital was right next to a golf corse
[20:48:55] <realdealmagic> okay guys
[20:48:56] <DaveTheJoker> so I took a shortcut through the fairway
[20:48:57] <hathor28> ya ikr ophelia i was lmao reading what dave said
[20:48:58] <realdealmagic> Going to go for the night
[20:48:59] <realdealmagic> Going to LD
[20:49:01] <realdealmagic> Any last words?
[20:49:06] <%Caenis> Good luck realdealmagic.
[20:49:11] <kraom> GLHF
[20:49:14] <%RareCola> You know, lately I've realised that I have a weekly dream sign. I usually go grocery shopping on a Sunday so every Saturday night I tend to have a dream about shopping. Somewhat weird
[20:49:21] <realdealmagic> ...
[20:49:22] <%RareCola> Night realdealmagic, nice chatting wtih you!
[20:49:24] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: are your repetitive dream signs something that you are wanting to be repetitive? a subject that you are hoping to dream about?
[20:49:26] <realdealmagic> Sounds interesting :')
[20:49:28] <@OpheliaBlue> or more like an accident?
[20:49:33] <realdealmagic> Don't lie RareCola, I was a pain in the arse!
[20:49:33] <@OpheliaBlue> see you realdealmagic
[20:49:36] <realdealmagic> But thank you n_n
[20:49:37] <@OpheliaBlue> sweet LDs <3
[20:49:38] <%RareCola> Just accidental usually
[20:49:41] <realdealmagic> thanks Cauenis
[20:49:44] <%RareCola> Haha no you weren't, realdealmagic
[20:49:46] <realdealmagic> And ophelia
[20:49:47] <hathor28> was it in a dream dave?
[20:49:49] <realdealmagic> Bye y'all!
[20:49:56] <Superdub49^> bye
[20:49:59] <@OpheliaBlue> bye sweetheart
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[20:50:17] <@OpheliaBlue> I
[20:50:21] <DaveTheJoker> hathor28: yes
[20:50:23] <@OpheliaBlue> have NEVER seen him like that lol
[20:50:29] <hathor28> funny
[20:50:40] <DaveTheJoker> yes and then the lady got out
[20:50:42] <%RareCola> I think his late night made him delirious
[20:50:46] <DaveTheJoker> and walked to the hosplital
[20:50:48] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, that and the pot
[20:50:51] <hathor28> lady?
[20:50:55] <%RareCola> Haha
[20:50:57] <DaveTheJoker> and angry golfers decended on my pickup
[20:51:07] <hathor28> lmao!
[20:51:07] <Superdub49^> my dream was badass
[20:51:11] <Superdub49^> we had a portal to like
[20:51:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I still love him though, I think he was our first Intro class signer-upper
[20:51:13] <Superdub49^> the video game world
[20:51:17] <DaveTheJoker> I had to drive around in circles to shake the guy who was hanging on to the door
[20:51:23] <Superdub49^> and then like... we kidnapped bowser Jr.
[20:51:24] <%RareCola> Ah really? Awesome
[20:51:26] <Superdub49^> and bowser came after us
[20:51:26] <@OpheliaBlue> oh the first workbooker... first SOMEthing
[20:51:28] <DaveTheJoker> yea
[20:51:29] <hathor28> LOOL
[20:51:34] <DaveTheJoker> I was SCARED
[20:51:34] <Superdub49^> and then we tied him to a wall
[20:51:39] <kraom> mhmm your dreams are definitely more exciting though right?
[20:51:48] <hathor28> u should've summoned a gun at a golf course
[20:51:51] <DaveTheJoker> well that one was a bit more intresting
[20:52:00] <DaveTheJoker> the next two were boring though
[20:52:06] <hathor28> the golfers was like zombies i bet
[20:52:12] <DaveTheJoker> no they were mad
[20:52:19] <hathor28> attackin
[20:52:24] <%Caenis> I bet they wanted to eat the baby.
[20:52:24] <hathor28> XD
[20:52:28] <DaveTheJoker> I was in their line
[20:52:34] <hathor28> ahahaha
[20:52:36] <DaveTheJoker> in between them and the green
[20:52:40] <kraom> the one zombie dream i had the apocalypse ended while i was still in the dream..
[20:52:42] <kraom> so lame
[20:52:58] <hathor28> dont step in the green!
[20:53:02] <hathor28> LOL
[20:53:15] <DaveTheJoker> no I stopped the truck in the fairway because there was a water hazzard
[20:53:25] <hathor28> odd
[20:53:29] <kraom> ahh so the pregnant woman swam through huh
[20:53:34] <DaveTheJoker> no
[20:53:37] <DaveTheJoker> she walked around
[20:53:38] <kraom> haha i was kidding
[20:53:40] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[20:53:45] <kraom> lazy lazy woman
[20:53:49] <DaveTheJoker> I know
[20:53:50] <DaveTheJoker> right
[20:53:52] <kraom> mhmm
[20:54:00] <hathor28> i guess it was that serious
[20:54:04] <hathor28> wasnt
[20:54:16] <DaveTheJoker> well I figure she was pregnant
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[20:54:21] <DaveTheJoker> I mean she didnt look pregnant
[20:54:23] <DaveTheJoker> but
[20:54:24] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Seroquel
[20:54:26] <hathor28> lol
[20:54:32] <hathor28> never assume
[20:54:33] <DaveTheJoker> Why else would I drive a lady to a hospital
[20:54:49] <DaveTheJoker> urgently
[20:54:50] <kraom> maybe she had a brain hemorrhage
[20:54:53] <hathor28> dreams are tricky
[20:54:55] <%Caenis> Most people go to hospitals for something other than pregnancies Dave.
[20:54:59] <DaveTheJoker> true
[20:55:00] <DaveTheJoker> but
[20:55:04] <kraom> or a hear attack
[20:55:07] <kraom> heart*
[20:55:09] <hathor28> lol caen
[20:55:14] <DaveTheJoker> lol she wasnt an old lady
[20:55:21] <Superdub49^> ... DaveTheJoker
[20:55:23] <kraom> you dont have to be old to have a heart attack
[20:55:26] <Superdub49^> Men go to the hospital a lot
[20:55:26] <DaveTheJoker> yea
[20:55:29] <kraom> or brain hemorrhage
[20:55:31] <Superdub49^> and they CAN'T Get pregnant
[20:55:32] <hathor28> maybe a guide was tricking u?
[20:55:36] <DaveTheJoker> hmmm
[20:55:40] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Caenis
[20:56:02] <hathor28> guides sometimes are mean :\
[20:56:05] <DaveTheJoker> she was concious and telling me to hurry up
[20:56:15] <kraom> so she was rude?
[20:56:21] <kraom> and got you attacked
[20:56:21] <DaveTheJoker> well not really
[20:56:21] <hathor28> bringing up a war with u dave lol
[20:56:25] <kraom> well well
[20:56:28] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[20:56:37] <DaveTheJoker> maybe she was yvonne
[20:56:46] <hathor28> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[20:56:51] <hathor28> see
[20:56:51] <DaveTheJoker> I never got a look at her face...
[20:56:52] <kraom> lol i think youd remember that!
[20:56:55] <DaveTheJoker> cause I was driving
[20:57:12] <kraom> dave youve been looking at too many of the sobe photoshoot pictures..
[20:57:14] <@OpheliaBlue> ok, outside of Dave's odd dream interpretations, any other questions before we end this session?
[20:57:23] <DaveTheJoker> rofl
[20:57:33] <hathor28> no
[20:57:36] <hathor28> lol
[20:57:59] <fennecgirl> no questions here
[20:58:03] <DaveTheJoker> I woke up with risidual lusty emotions
[20:58:09] <DaveTheJoker> but I dont remember any sexy dreams
[20:58:10] <kraom> haha
[20:58:10] <hathor28> eeew
[20:58:13] <hathor28> :\?
[20:58:27] <hathor28> how? why?
[20:58:34] <kraom> pregnant woman fetish!
[20:58:34] <hathor28> odd
[20:58:37] <DaveTheJoker> no no
[20:58:39] <kraom> dave dave dave..
[20:58:44] <DaveTheJoker> that dream was just one of 3
[20:58:46] <DaveTheJoker> the first
[20:58:52] <hathor28> oic
[20:58:59] <%Caenis> You might have had a sex dream but don't remember it Dave.
[20:59:08] <hathor28> true
[20:59:10] <DaveTheJoker> exactly what I was thinking, Caenis
[20:59:18] <kraom> nope he obviously was turned on by the thought that that woman was pregnant..
[20:59:21] <DaveTheJoker> maybe that's why she was pregnant
[20:59:24] <hathor28> lmao
[20:59:44] <kraom> or i guess it could be that...
[20:59:45] <hathor28> turned on that u became a hero?
[20:59:48] <@OpheliaBlue> you guys are a MESS lol
[20:59:51] <hathor28> XD
[21:00:20] <kraom> yea we have to wait til its over like now

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Thursday, July 26th, at 8pm CST
• Friday, July 27th, at 12noon CST
• Friday, July 27th, at 8:30PM CST

IMPORTANT: Due to issues with spam in #DVA, we're now making the room invite-only during classes to avoid disruption. You can join the class as normal before it starts, but once it starts you will need to type "/knock #DVA" to request an invite to the chat. Once you've been invited, you will receive a notification in the "Status" tab where you can click #DVA to join. I hope this doesn't cause too many issues, but we feel this is the best way to solve the issues of unwanted people disrupting the class.

Tuesday, July 24th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:59:59] OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes
[20:00:18] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hello kids... looks like a small class tonight
[20:00:26] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I sent out a PM so we'll see
[20:01:33] Banned|Away [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:01:38] <Banned|Away> I'm here
[20:01:44] <Banned|Away> lets get this shit on the road
[20:02:52] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> lol you're a shitty mess you know that right?
[20:03:06] <Banned|Away> well a medium sized mess
[20:03:09] <Banned|Away> !back
[20:03:09] Banned|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Banned
[20:03:13] <Banned> not that bad
[20:03:23] fennecgirl [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:03:28] <Banned> not a total cousterfuck yet
[20:03:29] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hey fennecgirl
[20:03:32] <Banned> but anyway
[20:03:34] <Banned> hi fennecgirl
[20:03:35] <fennecgirl> hi
[20:03:50] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> might not be too many folks tonight
[20:04:02] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> so how did your last dreams go fennecgirl?
[20:04:20] <fennecgirl> I can't remember any dreams from last night. =/
[20:04:43] <Banned> OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes: you didnt send the PM
[20:04:57] <Banned> fennecgirl: me neither
[20:05:01] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> oh I still had you as davethejoker and it didn't go through
[20:05:06] <Banned> ohhhh
[20:05:14] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> you found us anyway
[20:05:14] <Banned> It doesnt update
[20:05:29] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I copy/paste from a document Dave
[20:05:42] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I'll update it later
[20:05:51] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> fennecgirl: get enough sleep?
[20:06:01] <fennecgirl> Yeah
[20:06:53] <Banned> it is tooo hottttttt
[20:06:58] <Banned> thats why I cant sleep dammit
[20:07:08] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> oh I know it
[20:07:16] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I was just talking to RareCola about the same thing
[20:07:16] <Banned> cant wait for winter
[20:07:32] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> it's hot EVERYwhere on this damn planet, except for the ice caps and australia
[20:07:35] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> me too
[20:07:47] <Banned> I should get something like a frozen pillow
[20:08:00] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> haha, invent it and I'll buy the first one
[20:08:01] <fennecgirl> Banned: Winter? I don't like winter.
[20:08:03] <Banned> I used to have one were it was this thing
[20:08:08] <Banned> and it was water inside of there
[20:08:11] <fennecgirl> At least summer isn't freezing.
[20:08:20] <Banned> and you refridgerate it
[20:08:32] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> at least winter isn't life-sucking
[20:08:41] <Banned> yea
[20:08:49] <Banned> all of winter I wish for some
[20:08:50] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> anyway, the most important thing is beign able to sleep comfortable
[20:08:52] <Banned> *summer
[20:09:02] <Banned> well
[20:09:08] <Banned> not THE most important thing
[20:09:34] <fennecgirl> It depends where you live, I guess. Long winters and lake effect snow really suck.
[20:09:44] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I meant the most important thing with respect to the arguement about temperature
[20:10:03] <Banned> lol well I like snow
[20:10:18] <fennecgirl> I hate it. We get far too much up here.
[20:10:26] <Banned> fennecgirl: where at
[20:10:29] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> where
[20:10:32] <fennecgirl> NY
[20:10:36] <Banned> oh well thats not too bad
[20:10:40] <Banned> Im in michigan
[20:10:42] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> oh yeah? which borough?
[20:10:57] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I lived in Staten Island and Queens
[20:11:08] <fennecgirl> I'm the other end of the state.
[20:11:08] <Banned> the problem with summer
[20:11:19] <Banned> is the sun comes up too damn early
[20:11:27] <fennecgirl> We get tons of snow because of Lake Ontario.
[20:11:31] <Banned> ah
[20:11:38] <Banned> yea same in western MI
[20:12:12] <fennecgirl> I can imagine. That's pretty much the problem with winters anywhere in the Great Lakes region =/
[20:12:32] OldBlunt|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OldBlunt
[20:12:39] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hey OldBlunt
[20:12:40] <Banned> well if you consider it a a problem
[20:12:53] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> so when were your last lucids?
[20:13:17] <@OldBlunt> Who? me or him?
[20:13:20] <@OldBlunt> and hey
[20:13:21] <fennecgirl> Yesterday morning
[20:13:25] <%RareCola> 'ello - sorry I'm late
[20:13:32] <Banned> hey RareCola
[20:13:35] <Banned> gentleman
[20:13:42] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hey Jason
[20:13:42] <Banned> kind sir
[20:13:49] <%RareCola> Hey Dave(?)
[20:13:53] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> yeah it's dave
[20:14:07] <%RareCola> dat green text
[20:14:13] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> dead giveaway
[20:14:24] <%RareCola> what are we talking about then
[20:14:30] <Banned> weather lol
[20:14:37] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> temperature impacting dreaming
[20:14:44] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> or sleep in general
[20:14:53] <Banned> I sleep horrible in heat
[20:14:55] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> then it evolved to just weather.. small class
[20:14:58] <%RareCola> ah, the heat making beds a torture table?
[20:15:05] <Banned> plus I cant stand not being covered up
[20:15:20] <Banned> so I put a blanket on
[20:15:29] <Banned> and it becomes a sweatbox
[20:15:31] <%RareCola> Tell me about it, I hate laying in bed with nothing over me
[20:15:33] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> uggh I know I'm the same way
[20:15:41] <%RareCola> Sucks for DEILDing
[20:16:02] <fennecgirl> The other night, I slept on top of the covers with the fan on. It was nice... until I woke up freezing in the middle of the night. >.<
[20:16:30] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> yeah the body temperature drops at some point, so then you're just freezing in your own seat
[20:16:32] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> sweat*
[20:16:45] <Banned> yup
[20:16:56] <Banned> I also hate it when it is cooler outside
[20:16:57] <%RareCola> Delicious
[20:17:09] <%RareCola> Ah no, I love the cold. I may as well be a snowman
[20:17:13] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> same here
[20:17:16] <Banned> but I cant turn the attic fan
[20:17:21] <Banned> because it late at night
[20:17:31] <Banned> so I am tortured
[20:17:33] <Banned> in my little
[20:17:39] <Banned> room
[20:17:41] <%RareCola> You sleep in the attic?
[20:17:45] <Banned> no
[20:17:52] <Banned> there is a ceiling fan
[20:18:01] <%RareCola> Ah I see
[20:18:03] <Banned> in the center of the house
[20:18:09] <Banned> that turns on and sucks air through the windows
[20:18:16] <Banned> but it makes a racket
[20:18:23] <Banned> so I cant run it at night
[20:18:26] <%RareCola> sucks
[20:18:44] <%RareCola> People should just learn to implement sounds into falling asleep
[20:18:45] <Banned> I wonder what the best way to sleep in heat is
[20:18:50] <%RareCola> so frustrating when people can't deal with white noise
[20:19:49] <Banned> what do you mean
[20:20:20] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> cool air plus white noise is a gift
[20:20:34] <Banned> so white noise helps you ld?
[20:21:06] <%RareCola> Yea, it can do
[20:21:09] <%RareCola> and sleep in general
[20:21:10] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> it helps me sleep, which in turn helps with LD
[20:21:24] <Banned> I see
[20:21:26] <%RareCola> It's great for WILDs too
[20:21:34] <%RareCola> Well, any noise can be good for WILDs
[20:21:39] <Banned> Well I need an out of the box solution for my recall issue
[20:21:42] <Banned> this is getting out of hand
[20:21:57] <%RareCola> What's happening now?
[20:22:00] <%RareCola> thought it was getting better?
[20:22:16] <Banned> no recall today
[20:22:25] <%RareCola> ah :/
[20:22:27] <Banned> I took the time to do a 20 minute WBTB
[20:22:29] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I think your bans are distracting you
[20:22:32] <Banned> at 6 hours sleep
[20:22:36] <Banned> lol ophelia
[20:23:03] <Banned> Its not like I have been sitting in front of the computer all day either
[20:23:08] <Banned> so I dunno what is wrong
[20:23:11] <%RareCola> Sometimes longer WBTBs can be harmful, I've found
[20:23:17] <Banned> oh?
[20:23:35] <Banned> I wish I knew if I just wasnt dreaming
[20:23:41] <Banned> or if I am not remembering them
[20:23:45] <%RareCola> You really just need to feel it out, but more often than not, I've found a 2-3 minute WBTB is all I need, just enough time to go to the toilet, get a drink and jot down whatever dreams I remembered
[20:23:57] <%RareCola> Well of course you are dreaming, you always dream
[20:24:12] <Banned> what if I am not in REM
[20:24:33] <Banned> maybe for some reason I am not getting REM sleep
[20:24:35] <%RareCola> You can't not be really, unless you're doing a weird altered sleep schedule, like that Uberman one
[20:24:39] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I have had success with WBTB that last a few minutes all the way to 15-20
[20:24:51] <Banned> yea yesterday I did a WBTB
[20:24:59] <Banned> for 20 minutes at the same time
[20:25:04] <Banned> and I got recall
[20:25:12] <Banned> so I dunno what the hell
[20:25:15] <%RareCola> Yea as I said you really just need to feel it out
[20:25:23] <%RareCola> Some days you need a longer WBTB, other days not so much
[20:25:27] <Banned> lol
[20:25:34] <Banned> well how the hell will I know
[20:25:52] <%RareCola> I sort of just get the feeling that my mind's woken up enough
[20:26:07] <Banned> I see
[20:26:09] <%RareCola> Y'know that feeling when you wake up where your mind isn't fully there? Takes a while for the serotonin to kick in
[20:26:22] <%RareCola> I just wait until my mind is back in action, usually
[20:26:25] <Banned> Yea well I guess I never was fully awake
[20:26:32] <Banned> I got up
[20:26:34] <%RareCola> You don't need to be fully awake, just aware
[20:26:37] <Banned> walked around
[20:26:44] <Banned> I just was so sleepy
[20:26:48] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> RareCola: oh really? I thought it was better to
[20:26:50] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> oh nvm
[20:26:53] <Banned> maybe I awakened from non rem
[20:26:58] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I got what yo're saying
[20:27:10] <%RareCola> Yea whenever I WBTB and I'm incredibly out of it and go back to sleep like that, I get no recall
[20:27:14] <%RareCola> or limited, at least
[20:27:18] <Banned> hmm
[20:27:27] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hmm indeed
[20:27:38] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I think I may have been having that problem
[20:27:52] <Banned> is there a website where you put your bedtime in
[20:27:56] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I'm always so desperate to NOT get too awake or aware, and I think that it just kills it
[20:27:59] <%RareCola> The way WBTB works is by prematurely kicking in the serotonin to make your mind more aware
[20:28:01] <Banned> and it gives you when to wake up
[20:28:11] <%RareCola> Haha Dave, no, that's all personal
[20:28:16] <%RareCola> Have to figure it out on your own
[20:28:22] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> yup ^^
[20:28:23] <Banned> well isnt it something like 90 minutes
[20:28:25] <%RareCola> You can't always be told what to do
[20:28:33] <%RareCola> 90 minutes is average
[20:28:47] <%RareCola> This is why you can't use alarms
[20:28:49] <Banned> maybe I should record my sleep
[20:28:53] <Banned> and see when my eyes are moving
[20:28:58] <%RareCola> you could alarm for 90 minutes, and your real waking up time would be 94 minutes
[20:29:01] <%RareCola> so you cut yourself 4 minutes short
[20:29:15] <Banned> hmm
[20:29:31] <%RareCola> But yea, recording your sleep can be good
[20:29:34] <%RareCola> I've heard people have success with those Smart Alarms
[20:29:40] <Banned> whats that
[20:30:12] <%RareCola> You can get them for iOS / Android etc, you put them on your bed and records when you're moving and not moving to gage your current sleep period and then wakes you up at the "optimal" time
[20:30:26] <%RareCola> Or you can just do it manually and record all your sleeping/waking up times in your dream journal and base it around that
[20:30:32] <%RareCola> I do the latter
[20:31:18] <Banned> hmm well I dont have an iOS or 'roid...
[20:31:32] <Banned> dayum
[20:31:35] <%RareCola> dream journal method it is then
[20:31:37] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> that's kinda cool... but man, what a pain to depend on a program like that
[20:31:59] <Banned> yea
[20:32:05] <Banned> maybe I should turn to drugs
[20:32:07] <%RareCola> Haha yea, that's why I use my DJ
[20:32:27] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> definitely more accessable
[20:32:35] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> !brb one sec
[20:32:38] OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes|BRB
[20:33:21] <%RareCola> How do you format your dream journal at the moment, Dave?
[20:35:01] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes|BRB> !back
[20:35:03] OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes
[20:35:05] <Banned> hm?
[20:35:12] <Banned> RareCola: what do you mean?
[20:35:13] <%RareCola> Well what do you write in your dream journal?
[20:35:18] <Banned> well
[20:35:26] <Banned> I write down everything I can think of
[20:35:31] <%RareCola> So just the dream?
[20:35:33] <Banned> when I am in bed
[20:35:35] <Banned> on my phone
[20:35:44] <%RareCola> On your phone?
[20:35:52] <Banned> well and then I copy it to my computer
[20:35:54] RareCola grabs a pitchfork
[20:35:54] <Banned> and edit it
[20:36:04] <Banned> and put stuff
[20:36:06] <Banned> like
[20:36:08] <Banned> when I did a WBTB
[20:36:13] <Banned> and when I woke up
[20:36:20] <Banned> and then I upload it to DV
[20:36:30] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> lol RareCola
[20:36:37] Banned runs away
[20:36:48] <Banned> !brb for a sex
[20:36:50] Banned [[email protected]] is now known as Banned|BRB
[20:36:52] <Banned|BRB> DAMMIT
[20:36:56] <Banned|BRB> *sex
[20:36:59] <Banned|BRB> *sec
[20:37:01] <%RareCola> Get a paper journal and a pen, write down the time you go to bed, times you wake up and obviously your dreams
[20:37:03] <Banned|BRB> good lord
[20:37:14] <%RareCola> I like to record certain factors too, like if i read that night or if I drank apple juice
[20:37:22] <%RareCola> I just add them as tags to the start of the dream
[20:37:32] <%RareCola> so I can quickly see if anything made an affect
[20:37:38] <fennecgirl> I've found myself writing in my DJ less now that I've been on DV for awhile. I used to write in it when I woke up, then copy it to DV. Now, I often just go straight to DV in the morning and type up my dreams there instead.
[20:37:53] <%RareCola> Urrghhh I want to burn you all
[20:38:03] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes>
[20:38:08] <fennecgirl> I guess it's just because it's quicker to type than to write it all by hand, especially now that I'm remembering 2-4 dreams a night on average.
[20:38:12] <%RareCola> I truly don't believe you can have proper success if you don't use a paper journal
[20:38:25] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> RareCola rocks it old school
[20:38:34] <%RareCola> I mean to each their own, but certain factors of biology just stand for everyone
[20:38:55] <%RareCola> Looking at artificial light is not good
[20:38:57] <fennecgirl> I still use mine sometimes.
[20:39:25] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> like the process of writing is better because youre not looking at a computer screen?
[20:40:08] <%RareCola> Yep, and the action of writing taps more directly into your subconscious and helps with recall. I believe there was a study on this I read a while back
[20:40:16] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> no kidding
[20:40:23] <%RareCola> Something about students who write their work have better marks than people who type
[20:40:32] <%RareCola> Because writing can tap into the deeper memories
[20:40:34] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I wonder why typing doesn't tap the subconcsious as much as writing
[20:40:45] <Banned|BRB> well RareCola have to disagree about the DJ thing
[20:40:47] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> Well I'll be dog gone
[20:41:00] <%RareCola> Well if you've ever noticed when you're writing you can sort of do it mindlessly and just purely write
[20:41:05] <%RareCola> I never get that when I'm typing
[20:41:14] <Banned|BRB> well my best DJ entries were typed
[20:41:15] <fennecgirl> I usually run my dreams over once or twice before getting up, though
[20:41:22] <Banned|BRB> !dj RareCola
[20:41:23] <iBot> Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - RareCola - Dream Journals
[20:41:25] <fennecgirl> Although more usually comes to me when I'm typing up my entries
[20:41:25] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> do you think it's because we learn to write first?
[20:41:27] <%RareCola> Do you have recent written ones to compare them to, Dave?
[20:41:31] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> before typing/computers?
[20:41:37] <%RareCola> Possibly Lisa
[20:42:17] <Banned|BRB> well I typed one on my phone yesterday
[20:42:24] <Banned|BRB> it just saves time
[20:42:26] <Banned|BRB> !back
[20:42:27] Banned|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as Banned
[20:42:27] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> it's really interesting
[20:42:34] <Banned> cause I have to type it anyway
[20:42:35] <Banned> for DV
[20:42:58] <%RareCola> Here's one article on writing over typing: Why You Learn More Effectively by Writing Than Typing
[20:43:11] <Banned> well thats different
[20:43:18] <fennecgirl> Banned: Exactly. I didn't see the need to write AND type it when writing is quicker.
[20:43:21] <fennecgirl> *typing
[20:43:34] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> and then there's typing over texting on a phone.. it's likie we're getting worse and worse, by trying to be faster and faster
[20:43:50] <Banned> RareCola: I hand write notes
[20:43:54] <Banned> and also autosuggestion
[20:43:58] <%RareCola> Yea exactly Lisa, the point is... you don't need to do it quickly
[20:44:02] <%RareCola> Why must it be a rush anyway?
[20:44:07] <%RareCola> Take your time and write down your dreams
[20:44:17] <Banned> but when we write them down
[20:44:26] <Banned> we arent trying to engrave them into our memory
[20:44:31] <Banned> we are doccumenting them
[20:44:37] <Banned> *documenting
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[20:44:41] <%RareCola> No, but as I said, you can pull more from your memory when you write
[20:44:42] <Banned> hey kraom
[20:44:47] <kraom> hey
[20:44:47] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> hey kraom!
[20:44:53] <kraom> hello
[20:45:03] <fennecgirl> That's why I run my dreams over in my mind once or twice before getting up
[20:45:07] <%RareCola> Either way, if you wish to type, go ahead. I'm just offering some advice as your recall is somewhat sporadic
[20:45:08] <Banned> RareCola: when I wake up, I already remember the dream
[20:45:10] <fennecgirl> just to really remember more
[20:45:13] <fennecgirl> and hello kraom
[20:45:15] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> RareCola: we're always in a hurry these days, especially in this capatilistic economy
[20:45:19] <%RareCola> How do you know that, Dave?
[20:45:30] <Banned> because I remember the dream and reach for my phone
[20:45:39] <%RareCola> I've had so many times when i'm writing and I think I've got everything, then I finish writing and I'm like "Oh yea! There was this whole other part at the start of the dream!"
[20:45:41] <%RareCola> and I have to tack it on
[20:45:52] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> which is painful actually, I find my breaks and sleep need to be longer and longer to recover, which puts me further behind, so I have to rush more etc
[20:45:53] <kraom> that happens to me a lot..
[20:45:54] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> rinse/repeat
[20:46:15] <%RareCola> Do you use a written journal kraom?
[20:46:16] <Banned> kraom: I am dave btw
[20:46:27] <kraom> i figured since your text was green
[20:46:38] <kraom> and it depends if i think the dream is noteworthy
[20:46:46] <fennecgirl> Yeah, I do that, too. When I forget something in my DJ, I usually don't go back to try to fit it in; I just remember to include it when I post it to DV.
[20:46:50] <kraom> but i should stop being lazy and actively record my dreams
[20:46:56] <Banned> no
[20:46:58] <Banned> he means
[20:47:02] <Banned> when you doccument them
[20:47:05] <Banned> do you write them first
[20:47:16] <Banned> or do you just type them
[20:47:25] <kraom> not usually unless im away.
[20:47:26] <Banned> dammit only one c
[20:48:00] <%RareCola> Test out my advice Dave, see how it works for you
[20:48:02] <Banned> Ophelia give my your cupcakes
[20:48:06] <Banned> RareCola: ok
[20:48:09] <Banned> I used to write my dreams
[20:48:14] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> Dave...... FOCUS
[20:48:19] <Banned> although when I wake up
[20:48:23] <Banned> I know right off the bat
[20:48:34] <Banned> if I can remember any dreams
[20:48:41] <Banned> worth a damn
[20:49:03] <Banned> ophelia give me your cupcakes
[20:49:04] <kraom> well i sometimes wake up after dreams but i go back to sleep so i forget them then a random event triggers my memory..
[20:49:14] <%RareCola> Written journal -> Before bed: read previous dream(s), write down time going to bed, date and any factors that you did that could affect the dream (apple juice, etc.) -> When you wake up: write down the time you woke up and the dream itself. If you remember nothing, or very limited amounts, still write the time you woke up and anything you can remember
[20:49:31] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> kraom that happens to me alot to
[20:49:39] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> it's kinda cool, I like it
[20:49:52] <%RareCola> anyway
[20:49:53] <%RareCola> !brb a minute
[20:49:55] RareCola [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola|BRB
[20:49:55] <kraom> yea sometimes i think its an actual memory and then remember it was a dream
[20:50:01] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> like when you forget that you put a $20 in your raincoat pocket, then find it months later
[20:50:14] <kraom> mhmm lol
[20:50:19] <Banned> another problem I had when I was doing a written journal
[20:50:26] <Banned> was that I honestly couldnt read my writing
[20:50:50] <kraom> ahh my hand writing cant get much worse then it already is so im good with that
[20:51:00] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> Banned: yeah that's tough
[20:51:14] <Banned> here let me upload an example
[20:51:14] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> trying to scrawl out a picture sometimes helps
[20:51:18] <Banned> actually I think I did
[20:51:30] <Banned> there's a "post pics of your DJ
[20:51:35] <Banned> thread somewhere
[20:51:39] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> if you can't read that you dreamt about a bird, a goofy pic of a bird following that could help
[20:51:54] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> too bad we can't PrtSc our minds at that point
[20:51:59] <kraom> although i dont like to write my dreams after waking because if im awake for too long then ill never be able to get back to sleep
[20:52:17] <Banned> yea heres my DJ
[20:52:23] <Banned> well my physical DJ
[20:52:28] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> let's see then
[20:52:43] <Banned> oops I didnt post the link
[20:52:45] <Banned> lol
[20:52:46] <Banned> http://www.dreamviews.com/f45/post-p...2/#post1889101
[20:52:52] <fennecgirl> kraom: you could just make some quick notes that you can look back at when writing in your DJ later
[20:52:57] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> kraom yeah that's when I decided to use the image linking technique
[20:53:12] <Banned> I cant draw
[20:53:13] <Banned> !brb
[20:53:14] Banned [[email protected]] is now known as Banned|BRB
[20:53:17] <kraom> yea i usually have decent recall when i wake up though
[20:53:20] <kraom> 3-4 dreams
[20:53:51] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> that's really not too bad Dave
[20:54:01] <Banned|BRB> !brb
[20:54:03] <Banned|BRB> !back
[20:54:04] Banned|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as Banned
[20:54:07] <kraom> yea my hand writing has been worse
[20:54:12] <kraom> let me look at mine
[20:54:16] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> pick an image that represents each dream, then physically link them together in your mind
[20:54:21] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> helps me remember at any rate
[20:54:28] <Banned> might work
[20:54:44] <kraom> oh wow this page is definitely worse than that
[20:54:50] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> haha let's see
[20:55:07] <Banned> well I write down keywords
[20:55:13] <Banned> and I cant read the keywords
[20:55:15] <Banned> lol
[20:55:22] <kraom> ahhhhh but then i have to take a picture and upload it..
[20:55:27] <kraom> i mean i could..
[20:55:28] <kraom> haha
[20:55:34] <Banned> lol
[20:55:37] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> oh man I just have to interject, no matter how much I might fail at lucid dreams, I never lose fascination at my non lucid dreams
[20:55:45] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> or others' non lucids for that matter
[20:56:05] <Banned> non lucids is the shit
[20:56:05] <kraom> oh my non-lucids are great
[20:56:08] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> I wish we could some up with another term for a non lucid that doesn't have a negative connotation
[20:56:12] <fennecgirl> my non-lucids are usually weird
[20:56:19] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> a PC term for a non lucid
[20:56:26] <Banned> well non lucids are really all that I have
[20:56:28] <kraom> mine are extremely weird for those who were here post-chat yesterday leanred
[20:56:29] <Banned> so I love them
[20:56:35] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> a conventional dream?
[20:56:40] <kraom> learned*
[20:56:42] <Banned> kraom: yea lol
[20:56:44] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> that sounds wrong as well - hmm
[20:56:44] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> that's so bland GimmeDatBluntWave|Away
[20:56:50] <kraom> how about
[20:56:51] <kraom> dream
[20:56:55] <kraom> vs lucid dream
[20:56:56] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> but in the right direction
[20:57:05] <%RareCola|BRB> !back
[20:57:07] RareCola|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola
[20:57:14] <Banned> kraom: almost as weird as caenis's
[20:57:15] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> lol Jason, just in time
[20:57:20] <%RareCola> reads
[20:57:29] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> we are renaming "non lucid dreams" to have a positive connotation
[20:57:39] <kraom> yea caenis may have me beat..
[20:57:40] <Banned> how about this
[20:57:43] <Banned> "Dreams"
[20:58:07] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> asdf
[20:58:09] <%RareCola> Yea, so many people don't put enough attention on their non-lucids
[20:58:13] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> agreed
[20:58:21] <%RareCola> I have adventures in my non-lucids that I could never have thought of to do in my lucids
[20:58:23] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> how about
[20:58:25] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> indistinct?
[20:58:41] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> yeah that stinct alright
[20:58:51] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> lol
[20:58:57] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> lol I love you Shock
[20:59:28] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> i'd make a poll about it, but it would get so incredibly flamed hahaha
[20:59:58] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> what about a Dense dream?
[21:00:00] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> bottom line, don't scrap your dreams formerly known as non-lucids
[21:00:26] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> like a Thick Dream? haha
[21:00:31] <%RareCola> I might post a thread on the Virtual vs Written DJ actually
[21:00:37] <Banned> do it
[21:00:40] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> rofl
[21:00:54] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> ok what about this
[21:00:55] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> yeah that would be interesting, quote the article you mentioned/
[21:00:59] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> ?
[21:01:05] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> Abstruse dreams
[21:01:17] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> still too negative man
[21:01:25] <&GimmeDatBluntWave|Away> pfft
[21:01:35] <@OpheliasBlueSpanishEyes> ok gonna log chat now

Thursday, July 26th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for DVA:

OpheliaBlue|BRB is now known as OpheliaBlue.
[01:59] You were promoted to half-operator by OpheliaBlue.
[01:59] Mindraker joined the chat room.
[01:59] Mindraker: Hiya folks
[01:59] OpheliaBlue: hey!
[01:59] RareCola: heyhey lisa
[01:59] Mindraker: Long time no see haha
[01:59] kraom|BRB: !back
[01:59] kraom|BRB is now known as kraom.
[01:59] OpheliaBlue: hey there Jason
[01:59] OpheliaBlue: wb Kraom
[01:59] kraom: thanks
[02:00] fennecgirl joined the chat room.
[02:00] OpheliaBlue: how's it going eMCLucid
[02:00] OpheliaBlue: hi fennecgirl
[02:00] fennecgirl: hello
[02:00] eMCLucid: Good good (: having great success the last few days with SSILD
[02:00] OpheliaBlue: you still here realdealmagic
[02:00] realdealmagic: I am slightly
[02:00] realdealmagic: Gonna try out SSILD tonight
[02:00] realdealmagic: Considering the success rate
[02:00] OpheliaBlue: SSILD, this is really cool. It's quite new to me
[02:00] paigeyemps^ joined the chat room.
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[02:01] RareCola: oo you're alive paige?
[02:01] paigeyemps^ was promoted to half-operator by OpheliaBlue.
[02:01] paigeyemps^: yes!
[02:01] kraom: I've inspired everyone..
[02:01] OpheliaBlue: YEAH
[02:01] paigeyemps^:
[02:01] kraom: haha
[02:01] paigeyemps^: no classes for 5 hours
[02:01] paigeyemps^: except this class lol
[02:01] RareCola: haha
[02:01] OpheliaBlue: lucky for us then
[02:01] paigeyemps^: thanks ophie
[02:01] Mindraker: Probably going to have a weird ass dream tonight... reading everyone's fetish thread on dreamviews' forum
[02:01] eMCLucid: Paigeyemps: Where have you been all my life?
[02:01] OpheliaBlue: lol at the fetish thread
[02:01] paigeyemps^: in your closet
[02:01] paigeyemps^: >:}
[02:02] eMCLucid: I knew it!
[02:02] eMCLucid: haha
[02:02] OpheliaBlue: so what's everyone think about this SSILD technique? There's such a buzz about it these days
[02:02] paigeyemps^: i tried it a couple of times before
[02:02] kraom: oh, well
[02:02] Topic changed to "SSILD Technique" by OpheliaBlue.
[02:02] RareCola: My friend forced me to watch True Blood with them, vampires in my dreams tonight probably
[02:02] realdealmagic: Well
[02:02] paigeyemps^: and each time, it got me into SP
[02:02] realdealmagic: I think that if people are actually seeing results, then it must be real
[02:02] kraom: tch true blood is good!
[02:02] kraom: anyways
[02:02] RareCola: I'm not a fan of SSILD really
[02:02] realdealmagic: Gonna try it out tonight, to see what happens for me
[02:02] kraom: I like it.
[02:02] paigeyemps^: i was thinking of trying it again, because back then i didn't know what to do when SP came
[02:02] OpheliaBlue: true blood, you poor thing
[02:02] kraom: As everyone already knows.
[02:03] paigeyemps^: true blood
[02:03] kraom: i watch true blood.. what are you saying D:
[02:03] paigeyemps^:
[02:03] paigeyemps^: i watched it one time, and mom came in the room
[02:03] paigeyemps^: right at the siexy scene
[02:03] kraom: well of course
[02:03] kraom: haha
[02:03] paigeyemps^: and she was like dafuq are you watching, my child
[02:03] OpheliaBlue: I'm off tomorrow, I may have to jump on the band wagon. So for SSILD, can it be done after a WBTB? Or is this a just before bed kind of thing
[02:03] OpheliaBlue: lol paige that sucks
[02:03] kraom: after a WBTB generally
[02:04] RareCola: Haha parents have the best timing
[02:04] paigeyemps^: ^^
[02:04] OpheliaBlue: ok perfect, I will wake up at about 5:30 when Danny gets ready for work
[02:04] eMCLucid: Yes yes WBTB makes it more effective
[02:04] realdealmagic: Apparently it won't work just before bed
[02:04] kraom: and, i might add that it isnt like WILD it influences lucid dreams, its not exactly a method itself
[02:05] OpheliaBlue: I've never had a technique work RIGHT before bed, always in the wee hours of the morning
[02:05] kraom: more of a mindset type thing
[02:05] OpheliaBlue: kraom: I like that actually
[02:05] kraom: alright
[02:05] kraom: good then
[02:05] OpheliaBlue: so many members want a concrete "activity" to "make them lucid"
[02:05] OpheliaBlue: but I'm always preaching awareness, and mindsets etc
[02:06] Mindraker: I personally don't know why people have to wake themselves up in the middle of the night intentionally to do "WBTB". I just get up, write whatever I remember in my journal, go pee, and go back to bed. My body now regularly wakes up at 4:00 AM even if I don't have to pee, without an alarm.
[02:06] eMCLucid: This morning, after SSILD, I had a super vivid dream where I was in my house, and the cops came, and I freaked out because everything looked so realistic
[02:06] kraom: yea I dont like active techniques, dont have the attention span haha
[02:06] eMCLucid: And I wasn't lucid
[02:07] OpheliaBlue: I don't get up on purpose, something always wakes me up
[02:07] RareCola: I just feel it's something best not practiced... in most cases I've seen it gives placebo lucids, and then sucks away motivation when it continues not to work. I think time is better spent practicing more stable techniques
[02:07] OpheliaBlue: I don't object to alarms though, if you can get it to work with you
[02:07] kraom: yea ive thought that it could be a placebo effect
[02:07] kraom: and i know that it could stop at anytime
[02:07] Mindraker: Once I get in a habit of doing something, good or bad, it's hard as hell to break the habit.
[02:08] kraom: and if that happens ill move on..
[02:08] OpheliaBlue: explain placebo lucids (I know what a placebo is, just not sure how it related to LDs)
[02:08] eMCLucid: Placebo techniques still often work though! The one night I held my breath for a while before bed and it worked!
[02:08] Mindraker: no kidding
[02:08] RareCola: A single, maybe two lucid dreams right after using a new technique that you're convinced will work
[02:08] kraom: yea its all based off thought or personal belief for placebo
[02:08] RareCola: It's not the technique that works, it's your motivation that you will have a lucid
[02:08] RareCola: and you put your hope in false techniques
[02:09] • Exotiraan misses regularly being in Dream Mode at 0500.
[02:09] OpheliaBlue: in that sense, aren't all techniques false in a way?
[02:09] • Exotiraan also misses regularly waking up just after that.
[02:09] OpheliaBlue: (feel free to prove me wrong, I'm just throwing that out there)
[02:09] paigeyemps^: ooh
[02:09] RareCola: Not necessarily, because something like a MILD will work consistently, it's been proven to
[02:09] Exotiraan: But it's hard trying to go to bed at a regular, set time. :<
[02:10] paigeyemps^: which reminds me
[02:10] eMCLucid: Rarecola: true , key is not to get down on yourself if an "easy lucid dream" technique doesn't continue to work, I just cherish the one or maybe two lucids I get from the belief
[02:10] kraom: I kind of agree with that, i mean what if someone didnt think that MILD would work that they have set against.
[02:10] kraom: i think in that scenario that it might not work..
[02:10] realdealmagic: I think it may be a good thing for proper beginners to try and use, to act as a motivation TO learn a more solid technique
[02:10] RareCola: This is why I'm against lucid aids too... I believe you should have lucid dreams because you built it up naturally, not because of something that won't last
[02:10] paigeyemps^: i took menthol for a few days, believing it would work, and it did, it gave me 2 lucids within 4 days. so i tried going without it, but convincing myself through mantras and autosuggestions that i took menthol even when i didnt, and i kept having the vivid dreams
[02:10] realdealmagic: Have that all important first lucid to act as a driving mechanism to get themselves to learn a more solid way to continue to have them
[02:11] paigeyemps^: then for the past 2 days i went the opposite, and now my recall sucks again
[02:11] paigeyemps^: holy susej the placebo! D:
[02:11] RareCola: haha yea paige, it sucks
[02:11] realdealmagic: the brain's a fickle creature!
[02:11] OpheliaBlue: I went through the SAME thing with 5-htp
[02:11] paigeyemps^: 8D
[02:12] RareCola: But I don't necessarily agree realdealmagic
[02:12] OpheliaBlue: it's a damn bitch, realdealmagic
[02:12] paigeyemps^: it's so interesting how it all happens
[02:12] paigeyemps^: mindblown
[02:12] kraom: !brb
[02:12] kraom is now known as kraom|BRB.
[02:12] eMCLucid: I got that with vitamin b6 but I started getting headaches from it and stopped taking it
[02:12] realdealmagic: I dunno. Personally, I think that if I had my first lucid already, I'd be chasing something that I know, therefore, would want more...
[02:12] RareCola: You give someone their first lucid through SSILD for example, they obtain is easily. They then think this technique is what did it and put all their faith in that and not in themselves
[02:12] Mindraker: paigeyemps^: look at the bright side, you still had a positive benefit from it.
[02:12] RareCola: it's not good building blocks for a lifelong career of lucid dreaming
[02:12] paigeyemps^: yup :3
[02:12] OpheliaBlue: you know guys, the first 7 years at dreamviews, I never tried a "technique".. the thought of them intimidated me
[02:12] realdealmagic: I suppose. It depends on the person's mindset I guess
[02:12] kraom|BRB: !back
[02:12] kraom|BRB is now known as kraom.
[02:12] OpheliaBlue: and yet I still had them
[02:13] paigeyemps^: wow that's awesome
[02:13] paigeyemps^: what did you do then?
[02:13] OpheliaBlue: I only recently started with DEILD.
[02:13] eMCLucid: realdealmagic: True, but that first, true lucid is such an amazing experience, I had a literal buzz the entire day after I had mine
[02:13] OpheliaBlue: paigeyemps^: luck?
[02:13] paigeyemps^: haha and skill
[02:13] OpheliaBlue: well a dream journal
[02:13] realdealmagic: That's what I mean, give the newbies something to chase after.
[02:13] RareCola: Haha I think that's why you've been lucid dreaming for so long though, Ophelia
[02:13] OpheliaBlue: I always preach DJ's, and talking to us, or friends about your dreams and experiences
[02:14] realdealmagic: Although, as RareCola said, it's not the best way to start. Maybe get to know things more, and KNOW that it's possibly not that one technique
[02:14] realdealmagic: Anyhoo
[02:14] realdealmagic: I am hella tired
[02:14] realdealmagic: Nighty night
[02:14] realdealmagic: Shall try SSILD tonight if I wake up
[02:14] RareCola: I mean, I'm going by what I've seen around DreamViews and other sites. To me, all the long-term lucid dreamers are either naturals or people who don't try all these fancy lucid aids and special techniques, widely spread false information
[02:14] realdealmagic: And will let you all know of my progress
[02:14] OpheliaBlue: I DO notice spikes in lucid frequency when trying new stuff... I'm still not sure what's placebo or not. I get more sleep on my off days now too, that could be a factor
[02:14] kraom: good luck and good night
[02:14] eMCLucid: Good luck realdealmagic!
[02:14] OpheliaBlue: sweet LDs realdealmagic
[02:14] OpheliaBlue: so glad you're back
[02:15] RareCola: night realdealmagic!
[02:15] paigeyemps^: nightnight rdm
[02:15] paigeyemps^:
[02:15] realdealmagic: Then again RareCola , people like Sageous who stick solidly to the one technique yet still have regular LDs
[02:15] realdealmagic: I think it all depends
[02:15] realdealmagic: Night y'all
[02:15] fennecgirl: goodnight!
[02:15] realdealmagic: Thank you Ophelia :') <3
[02:15] RareCola: But it's a technique he's developed himself, really
[02:15] RareCola: through dream yoga techniques and such
[02:15] • realdealmagic returns again due to reply.
[02:15] realdealmagic: Maybe that's the key.
[02:15] RareCola: It is, that's the point
[02:15] realdealmagic: Developing your own technique
[02:15] OpheliaBlue: form your own technique
[02:15] realdealmagic: Get yourself a way that works for you
[02:15] realdealmagic: Yeah
[02:15] realdealmagic: Okay
[02:15] OpheliaBlue: amen
[02:16] realdealmagic: Actually going now
[02:16] RareCola: You need to build up your own lucid dreaming handbook
[02:16] realdealmagic: Bye! :L
[02:16] RareCola: Haha cya realdeal
[02:16] RareCola: But yea, this is why I always try to push these mindsets onto people with awareness, dream journalling, etc.
[02:16] RareCola: Because doing that helps you discover yourself
[02:16] paigeyemps^: ohhh like oreo says
[02:17] paigeyemps^: about his own technique that works for him
[02:17] RareCola: Rather than just following something off-the-shelf that is somebody else's technique
[02:17] paigeyemps^: like, use the methods as a guideline
[02:17] paigeyemps^: to shape your own
[02:17] paigeyemps^: ;D
[02:17] OpheliaBlue: and I'm so glad you guys are here to remind me
[02:17] RareCola: Yep
[02:18] OpheliaBlue: I will say this though, ever since I've come back to DV, and started really paying attention to techniques in general,
[02:18] OpheliaBlue: I've had tons of vibrations
[02:18] OpheliaBlue: i never had them before that i can recall
[02:18] RareCola: MILD and WILD are the only 2 techniques that will work for everyone I think, but they work because of they follow basic principles. They don't have a set "rule book" to follow.
[02:19] RareCola: If you MILD, you became lucid within a dream. If you WILD, you became lucid by following it through from waking life.
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[02:19] paigeyemps^: yup
[02:19] paigeyemps^: it's basically just that
[02:19] paigeyemps^: unless there is another way to form dreams
[02:19] paigeyemps^: besides sleeping and waking
[02:19] paigeyemps^: O_O
[02:19] RareCola: haha
[02:19] Mindraker: I've only really experimented with WILD... I mean, yeah I wake up in the middle of the night... but I don't keep myself intentionally awake to do a "WBTB"
[02:20] RareCola: WILD is a great technique, but it's definitely a lot more pro-active than MILD
[02:20] Mindraker: And as far as repeating mantras goes... I've tried that, but I'm not sure if that only makes me distracted... and might be counterproductive (for me)
[02:21] RareCola: This is precisely why you form your own techniques
[02:21] Mindraker: I kind of just need to get used to things like the unexpected "sounds" of falling asleep which can wake me back up with a jolt
[02:21] RareCola: If mantras don't work for you, and you know that based off of plenty of experience, then don't use them
[02:21] RareCola: And if those sounds are waking you up, then you add something into your technique to progress that
[02:22] RareCola: White noise, for example
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: So how does DILD fit into all this in your opinions? I always considered it the no fail technique, because it happens randomly when it wants to.
[02:22] paigeyemps^: white noise! 8D
[02:22] RareCola: DILD is the off-spring of just general mindset I think
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: or are you considering a DILD under the same umbrella as
[02:22] RareCola: I don't think DILD is a technique in itself, we just class it as DILD so we can identify it
[02:22] paigeyemps^: i think DILD is such a great technique because you dont HAVE to do something for it
[02:23] paigeyemps^: and that's good, because many people are too lazy
[02:23] Mindraker: Well I'm so used to having no noise at all... I mean, I sleep with good earplugs, and no noise has always meant to me "bedtime".
[02:23] paigeyemps^: or too busy
[02:23] paigeyemps^: but as long as they sleep, it's possible to happen
[02:23] Mindraker: So I'm going to experiment with the little binaural beats and see what they do
[02:23] RareCola: That's probably the problem, Mindraker
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[02:23] Irken: I CLICKED IT
[02:23] Irken: OH MAH GOD
[02:23] Gills joined the chat room.
[02:23] Irken: I DID IT
[02:23] Irken: YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
[02:23] Irken: I KLICKED THE LINK
[02:23] Mindraker: Yeah see the "beep" of the name jolts me awake hahaah
[02:23] Irken: I DID IT
[02:23] Irken left the chat room. ("White bitches is free")
[02:23] RareCola: You're so used to no noise that noise can interrupt the attempt. So you have to adapt your technique into allowing noise
[02:24] paigeyemps^: lol
[02:24] Gills: hello
[02:24] paigeyemps^: hey irken
[02:24] OpheliaBlue: well.
[02:24] paigeyemps^: hey gills
[02:24] RareCola: hey Gills
[02:24] paigeyemps^: oh nvm
[02:24] paigeyemps^: i live near an active street so i hear buzzing and engine noises all the time
[02:24] paigeyemps^: it used to always bother me
[02:24] paigeyemps^: but i use it now for white noise
[02:24] paigeyemps^: along with fans
[02:25] Gills: fennecgirl in here?
[02:25] paigeyemps^: and oddly, i can recognize whose car of motorcycle it is
[02:25] OpheliaBlue: why do you ask Gills
[02:25] paigeyemps^: because i focus on it a lot x)
[02:25] Mindraker: Yeah at most crickets are the noise I hear at night. Barking dogs wake me up.
[02:25] Gills: i was PMing her
[02:25] Gills: no reply
[02:25] Gills: just curious
[02:25] fennecgirl: yep, I'm still here
[02:25] Mindraker: I sleep pretty hard with my medication but it's the abnormal noises that will wake me up
[02:25] Gills: oh ok
[02:25] RareCola: haha Paige, I've noticed things like that a lot recently.
[02:25] OpheliaBlue: for future reference, I don't like non-DVA students in here unless they are on staff
[02:26] OpheliaBlue: without permission
[02:26] OpheliaBlue: of course
[02:26] paigeyemps^:
[02:26] paigeyemps^: duly noted
[02:26] RareCola: I've been able to identify who's walking about my house because of my awareness, I can pick up on their average stride, how much they drag their feet, etc
[02:26] paigeyemps^: yea it's pretty cool
[02:26] kraom: i can always tell whos going up and down the stairs..
[02:26] kraom: haha
[02:27] paigeyemps^: i can also determine what time of day or night it is, based on the sounds
[02:27] paigeyemps^: since my room is pitch black when the curtains are closed
[02:27] Mindraker: Wow, well, I guess people wear different types of shoes (Mom would wear high heels, Dad might wear office work shoes, etc.)
[02:27] RareCola: We don't wear shoes in our house
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[02:27] kraom: me neither
[02:27] Mindraker: Ah, well that is impressive, then.
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[02:28] RareCola: I can tell who's in the bathroom too because of their habits
[02:28] paigeyemps^: .__.
[02:28] kraom: i can tell that when i hear the door shut
[02:28] RareCola: For example my Dad turns on the water more forcefully than my brother or mum
[02:28] OpheliaBlue left the chat room. ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
[02:28] kraom: well
[02:29] paigeyemps^:
[02:29] Mindraker: Feel the love
[02:29] eMCLucid: HMm
[02:31] Mindraker: OK I don't get it... I'm listening to this binaural beat thing... all I hear is "Thud thud thud Thud thud thud Thud thud thud Thud thud thud..."
[02:33] Mindraker: OK dokie about the binaural beat (trying to keep an open mind (at least it sounds better than the music my neighbor plays at 2:00 AM)
[02:34] paigeyemps^: lmao
[02:34] Mindraker: At least there's a "rhythm" to what I'm listening to
[02:35] RareCola: I've never got binaural beats either
[02:35] paigeyemps^: when i used binaurals, they were mostly just ocean waves and static noise
[02:35] paigeyemps^: didn't really do anything for me
[02:35] paigeyemps^: plus the earphones hurt my ears later
[02:36] kraom: yea if i play something i cant use any headphones
[02:36] Mindraker: Ocean waves... I could do that... There was some ocean wave stuff my parents listened to... some kind of Native American music and ocean wave music... supposedly for meditation.
[02:36] Mindraker: I forget what it was now.
[02:37] paigeyemps^: yea ocean waves help me sleep and relax
[02:37] • Exotiraan replaces all of your binaural beats with isochronic beats, if you are into that sort of thing.
[02:37] paigeyemps^: i usually do the ocean relaxation thingy before sleeping nowadays
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[02:39] Mindraker: I wonder if I have this on too loud
[02:39] Mindraker: lol maybe
[02:39] paigeyemps^: how loud do you have it? O_O
[02:40] paigeyemps^: i only turn mine up enough to drown out the external sounds
[02:40] RareCola: I think they're supposed to be on just loud enough for you to hear it
[02:40] Mindraker: LOL ok yeah a little too loud
[02:40] RareCola: LOL
[02:40] Mindraker: So we're not supposed to be 'jammin' to it
[02:40] paigeyemps^: hahahaaha
[02:40] Exotiraan: http://demonpit.co.cc:8000/Music/Psychosomatica
[02:40] paigeyemps^: LMAO
[02:40] paigeyemps^: you could if you want?
[02:40] paigeyemps^: but that would keep you awake
[02:40] paigeyemps^: all the jamming and stuff
[02:40] paigeyemps^: x)
[02:41] • Exotiraan has no idea why he keeps theses things.
[02:41] Exotiraan: * these
[02:41] Mindraker: er for some reason I can't pull up that web page
[02:42] paigeyemps^: i shouldn't click that...>.> if it's flash it'll kill me
[02:42] RareCola: Haha
[02:42] RareCola: poor paige
[02:42] Exotiraan: Nope. I don't use Flash on my server.
[02:42] paigeyemps^: welll
[02:42] paigeyemps^: i dont have audio anyway
[02:42] paigeyemps^: hahahahaha
[02:42] Exotiraan: Nor PHP, anymore.
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[02:43] paigeyemps^: never re-installed the audio drivers since the cab crash
[02:43] You changed the topic to "Binaural Beats & White Noise [Momentary disruption - Paige & RareCola hosting for now.]".
[02:44] RareCola: You don't have audio drivers?
[02:44] RareCola: Haha
[02:44] RareCola: Did that damage your computer then?
[02:44] RareCola: I remember you said it was right next to the wall
[02:44] paigeyemps^: yep
[02:44] paigeyemps^: i was hoping my pc would die in the crash
[02:44] paigeyemps^: but my uncle revived it
[02:45] paigeyemps^: and now it's crappier than ever
[02:45] paigeyemps^:
[02:46] Mindraker: God my poor laptop is burning up in the heat
[02:46] RareCola: Haha
[02:46] RareCola: Oh god tell me about it mindraker
[02:46] paigeyemps^: im waiting for the perfect chance to euthanize this old hag
[02:46] RareCola: my laptop has had the sun shining on it today
[02:46] RareCola: not good
[02:46] paigeyemps^: maybe "accidentally" destroy it
[02:47] paigeyemps^: but im not sure yet if mom will get me a new one
[02:47] paigeyemps^: so i cant risk it
[02:47] RareCola: haha
[02:47] paigeyemps^: for now
[02:47] kraom: thrown out a window!
[02:47] paigeyemps^: hmm too obvious
[02:47] paigeyemps^: maybe cut some wires
[02:47] paigeyemps^: ;D
[02:47] paigeyemps^: or "veins"
[02:47] paigeyemps^: muahahahAHAHAHA
[02:47] paigeyemps^: >:}
[02:47] kraom: :O
[02:48] RareCola: Did anyone here see my dream journalling thread by the way?
[02:48] RareCola: Made me sad that so many people type
[02:48] kraom: i did not what is it?
[02:48] RareCola: http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/typed-...ournal-134388/
[02:48] Mindraker: !dj RareCola
[02:48] iBot: Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - Recent DJ Posts - Dream Journals RareCola /
[02:48] kraom: OHHH
[02:48] kraom: yea i was here
[02:48] kraom: when you made that
[02:48] RareCola: Oh yea of course
[02:49] RareCola: haha mindraker, the thread, not my DJ
[02:49] kraom: i never did bvote
[02:49] kraom: vote*
[02:49] Mindraker: lol DD
[02:49] Mindraker: I'm looking at the thread now
[02:49] kraom: couldnt decide
[02:49] • Exotiraan prefers whichever is faster.
[02:49] kraom: i think i like my written more...
[02:49] kraom: idk
[02:49] GimmeDatBluntWave|Away: paigeyemps^: PIGN
[02:49] GimmeDatBluntWave|Away: PING*
[02:49] paigeyemps^: hmm?
[02:49] RareCola: Precisely what I'm against Exotiraan! it shouldn't be rushed
[02:49] Exotiraan: Typing at up to a hundred words a minute is better than writing at a mere twenty to thirty.
[02:50] Mindraker: I actually do both... I write in my handwritten DJ and write the better (longest) dreams now online for you guys.
[02:50] Exotiraan: 'Specially when you got that one thing just barely hanging on in memory.
[02:50] RareCola: But it hurts recall
[02:51] paigeyemps^: same, i write first thing and type it later
[02:51] • Exotiraan is still overdue to start on his dream journal editor.
[02:51] Mindraker: It helps me to do both, because my handwriting is often illegible.
[02:52] Mindraker: OK folks, it's getting late here...
[02:52] Mindraker: I think I'm going to close up and hit the sack
[02:53] Mindraker: You all sleep tight
[02:53] Exotiraan: Five years of using Vim, and it's still a bit of a pain to wake up and start typing and forget that you're not in Insert mode, yet.
[02:53] Mindraker: let's see what this binaural beat stuff does for me DD
[02:53] • Mindraker hugs all
[02:53] Mindraker left the chat room. ("")
[02:55] kraom: hmm so you know what i watched for the first time today.. waking life
[02:55] eMCLucid: Great flick!
[02:55] kraom: it was pretty good
[02:55] kraom: although i wasnt really a fan of the style
[02:55] eMCLucid: It makes you ponder things alot
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[02:56] kraom: but oh well
[02:56] eMCLucid: Yeah a bit difficult to look at but I liked the intellectual content
[02:56] kraom: right i kind of sat on my computer while listening haha
[02:56] paigeyemps^ left the chat room. (Quit: They say falling in love is good. But I think falling asleep is better. Goodnight.)
[02:57] RareCola: Sorry for being so dead tonight guys
[02:57] RareCola: we're trying to sort stuff out
[02:57] kraom: oh its alright it doesnt have to be active all the time
[02:57] eMCLucid: No problem RareCola, hope every things alright
[02:57] kraom: there was a good debate on techniques earlier
[02:57] RareCola: Next class is tomorrow at 8:30, slightly later because my and Ophelia are sorting out our little project, which you should find out about on Saturday
[02:57] kraom: good enough for today
[02:58] kraom: project..
[02:58] kraom: like what
[02:58] kraom: :O
[02:58] eMCLucid: Ooh I'm excited (:
[02:58] RareCola: You'll have to wait and see~

Friday, July 27th, 12noon Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[11:59:12] <@paigeyemps> hello
[11:59:14] <@RareCola> Mindraker: mid-day chat is starting in 1 minute
[11:59:15] <@OpheliaBlue> hey!
[11:59:22] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I don't remember what we were supposed to do
[11:59:30] <@paigeyemps> awwyeaaa i attended 2 classes today!
[11:59:33] <@paigeyemps> booya
[11:59:34] <@OpheliaBlue> set that +i thing? or did Jason already do it
[11:59:35] <Mindraker> 1 minute? Great!
[11:59:39] <Mindraker> OK!
[11:59:43] paigeyemps [[email protected]] has set channel mode +i
[11:59:51] <@RareCola> Don't need to do it yet, leave it for a little bit to- nevermind.
[11:59:53] <@RareCola> LOL
[12:00:00] <@paigeyemps> oh lol that worked?
[12:00:01] paigeyemps [[email protected]] has set channel mode -i
[12:00:02] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I need to send the mass PM
[12:00:15] <@OpheliaBlue> what do I need to say special on it?
[12:00:21] <@RareCola> yea I was going to say leave it for at least 5-10 minutes after starting time to make sure everyone gets here
[12:00:27] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok right
[12:00:32] <@paigeyemps> yup alrighty
[12:00:34] <@RareCola> check out my edit here, lisa: http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/dva-c...2/#post1920463
[12:00:40] <@paigeyemps> just testing it out ;D
[12:01:35] <Mindraker> OK no spam today, plz
[12:01:41] <@RareCola> There won't be
[12:01:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I will brb 1 sec
[12:01:51] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
[12:01:53] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|BRB
[12:02:21] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> internet is being butt slow right now
[12:02:29] *kb5.keebali.com* *** RareCola invited acelegion into the channel
[12:02:38] acelegion [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[12:02:48] <Xyvoch> when does it start?
[12:02:56] <acelegion> how long do lessons last?
[12:02:58] fennecgirl [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[12:03:00] <@RareCola> In a minute
[12:03:06] <@RareCola> Lessons are usually about an hour
[12:03:09] <@RareCola> hey fennecgirl
[12:03:14] <Mindraker> They wind down on their own
[12:03:15] <fennecgirl> hi
[12:03:18] <@paigeyemps> hey everyone
[12:03:20] <@paigeyemps>
[12:03:22] <acelegion> ah kk, I might be afk for first 10 min that ok?
[12:03:22] <Mindraker> Sup
[12:03:27] paigeyemps pops the confetti
[12:03:29] <acelegion> !afk
[12:03:32] acelegion [[email protected]] is now known as acelegion|Away
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[12:03:33] <@RareCola> No problem, ace
[12:03:37] <@paigeyemps> welcome to DVA class!
[12:03:52] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[12:03:54] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> ooookay
[12:03:55] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[12:03:57] Mindraker sacrifices acelegion to the gods of lucid dreaming for being afk for more than 5 minutes
[12:04:10] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry about that last class guys, I think we got it resolved now though
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[12:04:36] <@RareCola> We've got an organised ship running now~
[12:04:42] <@RareCola> hey kraom
[12:04:47] <kraom> hello
[12:04:58] <@OpheliaBlue> oh dudes I ALMOST got the basic task this morning
[12:05:06] <Mindraker> gj
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[12:05:13] <kraom> almost?
[12:05:13] <@OpheliaBlue> Literally, Chopin was staring at me like WTF as I said quick, help me find a potion
[12:05:16] <kraom> what happened
[12:05:20] <Mindraker> almost is better than not
[12:05:22] <Banned> damng theres class rught not
[12:05:26] <Banned> *right now
[12:05:35] <kraom> yep yep there is
[12:05:37] <@OpheliaBlue> I was dating the polish composer, Chopin and got lucid
[12:05:39] <Vengeance|Away> orly
[12:05:47] <Banned> damn I have to leave in a se
[12:05:52] <Banned> *sec
[12:05:59] <@OpheliaBlue> but I woke up after he looked like he might help is newly gone insane girfriend find a potion
[12:06:04] <@paigeyemps> lmfao
[12:06:10] <@paigeyemps> that's awesome ophie
[12:06:12] <@RareCola> jeez July's almost over
[12:06:12] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I woke up like fffffuuuuuuu
[12:06:16] <@OpheliaBlue> I know it
[12:06:20] <@paigeyemps> hahaha yea
[12:06:22] <Mindraker> Damn, you guys have such elegant dreams. I had sex with my MOTHER twice last night.
[12:06:27] <@paigeyemps> haven't done any of the TOTM ;D
[12:06:29] <kraom> loll
[12:06:30] <@RareCola> :l oh
[12:06:33] <@paigeyemps> maybe next month i'll have more luck
[12:06:35] <@paigeyemps> "D
[12:06:37] <@paigeyemps>
[12:07:02] <kraom> this morning i had some interesting times
[12:07:09] <kraom> three different instances of being lucid.
[12:07:18] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: ouch
[12:07:19] RareCola [[email protected]] has set channel mode +i
[12:07:20] <kraom> all of which ended almost at the same time they beagan
[12:07:35] <kraom> began*
[12:08:00] <@OpheliaBlue> ah thanks for the disclaimer in that thread RareCola.. i'll include it in the mass PMs in the future
[12:08:01] <@RareCola> Sounds like you're getting some of my dream diarrhea, kraom
[12:08:06] <kraom> guess so..
[12:08:20] <Xyvoch> What's the topic?
[12:08:35] <kraom> although one of my non-lucids was good..
[12:08:42] <@OpheliaBlue> the topic is... how to squeeze the TOTMs in 3 days
[12:08:52] <@RareCola> I wanted to bring this thread up today, actually: http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/lucidi...-signs-134373/
[12:08:57] <Banned> dream diarrhea= gross
[12:09:01] <@RareCola> It's a perfect example of the type of awareness you should aim for
[12:09:06] <@OpheliaBlue> oooo I clicks
[12:09:24] <kraom> ahh i never use reality checks way way too faulty
[12:09:30] <kraom> one failed in my dream this morning..
[12:09:49] <@RareCola> Yep, this is why awareness is key
[12:09:53] <@paigeyemps> oooh another filipino posted on that thread! D:
[12:10:03] <@paigeyemps> that is very good indeed, jase
[12:10:34] <@RareCola> I feel like awareness is so under-rated, it was nice to see a thread by someone who put a lot of focus on it and clearly reaped the benefits
[12:10:35] <Mindraker> Well, I've stopped trying to spend so much time trying to distinguish between my dream world and my "awake" world. That seems like a losing battle.
[12:11:09] <kraom> i essentially have that same type of awareness when i become lucid..
[12:11:10] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah he says he's "passively" aware the whole time.. what does that mean?
[12:11:25] <Vengeance|Away> !awake
[12:11:26] Vengeance|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Vengeance
[12:11:49] <@paigeyemps> ah that reiterates the thing where awareness is what makes you lucid, and not necessarily reality checks
[12:12:03] <@RareCola> It's hard to describe, I've become lucid the same way before. It's like, where you're in a dream and your awareness just naturally reaches a level where you break through into lucidity without even thinking about it or even trying
[12:12:04] <Mindraker> Instead, I've started accepting that my dream world and awake world can be relatively the same thing; it's just my awake world is more constant, and the dream world is more variable.
[12:12:38] <@paigeyemps> that usually happens to me too, except in my workbook entries i always describe it as, "atmosphere"
[12:12:44] <@paigeyemps> i didn't know how else to say it
[12:12:59] <Vengeance> my dream world and waking world are almost exact
[12:13:00] <@paigeyemps> like i would be non lucid and just spontaneously get lucid, if that makes sense
[12:13:04] <@paigeyemps> D:
[12:13:12] <kraom> thats how a lot of my lucids are
[12:13:14] <kraom> lol
[12:13:22] <@RareCola> Yea, Mindraker. The dream world is so similar to the waking world. The main difference I've seen is the "feel" of a dream, how the general sense of being is different.
[12:13:23] <Vengeance> which is why i have to do reality checks whenever i see something specific
[12:13:33] <kraom> although this morning a DC told me i was dreaming.
[12:13:35] <kraom> in my first one.
[12:14:03] <@OpheliaBlue> I think that happened to me before, this morning even, when I was telling a depressed Chopin how much his music has changed the world and made it better, the dream felt really strange up until then
[12:14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> vivid, but also a bit surreal, I dunno
[12:14:19] <@paigeyemps> exactly, Jason! D:
[12:14:22] <@paigeyemps> that "feel"
[12:14:42] <@paigeyemps> it's what makes me lucid usually, when the dream isn't too weird
[12:14:48] <@paigeyemps> i rely on the "atmosphere" or something
[12:15:08] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, like there's something in the air lol
[12:15:14] <@RareCola> Yep, it's really hard to describe and something you can only really grasp through experience
[12:15:16] <@paigeyemps> lol yup :3
[12:15:17] <kraom> yea i tend to feel different in a dream not necessarily the dream itself feeling different
[12:15:21] <@OpheliaBlue> I know it
[12:15:45] <Xyvoch> i think it's more the fact that it's in your head, not in this "universe" that make you feel like that
[12:16:33] <@OpheliaBlue> that could be a part of it, although Reece would kill you for saying that
[12:16:39] <@paigeyemps> hahaha
[12:16:43] <@RareCola> Possibly. I think one of the best ways to describe is the feeling of freedom, being free of the limitations of your physical body
[12:16:48] <Xyvoch> who's reece?
[12:17:07] paigeyemps [[email protected]] is now known as tengolacamisayempsa
[12:17:13] <@OpheliaBlue> he's a guy who says that it's all perception
[12:17:13] <Banned> lol
[12:17:19] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm majorly paraphrasing
[12:17:21] <Banned> soooo
[12:18:05] <@OpheliaBlue> what's up Dave, any luck last night/this morning?
[12:18:18] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OB
[12:18:19] <Banned> nope
[12:18:25] <@RareCola> I feel weird calling him Dave now that I know his name isn't Dave
[12:18:34] <kraom> and now
[12:18:35] <Banned> I am dave
[12:18:37] <Banned> quite you
[12:18:39] <@RareCola> I might just call you "green text dude"
[12:18:40] <kraom> his name doesnt have dave in it
[12:18:41] <kraom> :O
[12:18:44] <Banned> *quiet
[12:19:02] <kraom> calling him josh or banned would just feel weird though..
[12:19:07] <Banned> This only applies to some of us, but I have noticed that waking up with morning wood usually corresponds with more recal
[12:19:14] <@OB> oh yay I'm a brand of tampon
[12:19:17] <kraom> pffffftttt
[12:19:38] <kraom> thats interesting dave..
[12:19:42] <kraom> dont think that happens to me.
[12:19:47] <@OB> really Dave lol?
[12:19:54] <@OB> I will never know this personally
[12:20:00] <Mindraker> Er yeah... I kind of noticed that this morning... after my, uh, "sex with mom"-dream.
[12:20:03] <Banned> I think so
[12:20:09] <kraom> hahaha mindraker
[12:20:14] <Banned> ick what the hell man
[12:20:16] <@OB> I feel like I should buy you a beer Mindraker, you poor thing lol
[12:20:21] Exotiraan [[email protected]] is now known as Bronitoraan
[12:20:32] <Mindraker> I've got some serious ass "Mom"-complex.
[12:20:43] <@OB> irl or just in dreams?
[12:20:49] <Mindraker> Probably both
[12:20:57] <@OB> because I get those sometimes with male members of my family
[12:20:58] <kraom> its your subconscious telling you!
[12:21:02] <Banned> ok guys got to go to the bank and shit
[12:21:07] <@RareCola> Actually, I think there's some truth in that. It's pretty common during the dream stage of sleep to get "aroused" for both men and women, even without sexy dreams. Waking up with morning wood means you woke up pretty directly from the dream stage.
[12:21:08] <@OB> remember cohesive flow folks...
[12:21:09] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lolwut
[12:21:09] <Mindraker> My #1 "dream tag" is "Mom"
[12:21:10] <Banned> !away
[12:21:11] Banned [[email protected]] is now known as Banned|Away
[12:21:35] Banned|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Bronied|Away
[12:21:36] <@OB> yeah maybe you have a complex haha.. control issues with her or something?
[12:21:43] <Xyvoch> dream tag means dream sign?
[12:21:57] <@OB> if you tag a sign in your journal, yeah
[12:22:04] <@OB> you can tag anything though
[12:22:19] <@RareCola> Haha, my mum shows up in my dreams a lot. Can't say I've ever had sex with her though
[12:22:21] <Mindraker> Ah the tags when you create a dj entry.
[12:22:44] <kraom> i think my mom has showed up in like one of my dreams that i can remember
[12:22:54] <kraom> its always my brothers that are in my dreams..
[12:23:05] <Vengeance> do u see them a lot during the day?
[12:23:06] <Xyvoch> my parents were never in my dreams...
[12:23:08] <kraom> yep
[12:23:16] <Vengeance> maybe residue
[12:23:20] <Vengeance> from the day
[12:23:22] <@RareCola> Hmm, my siblings aren't in my dreams very often.
[12:23:22] <@OB> yeah your mum dreams always make me laugh
[12:23:23] <kraom> well not so much my older brother now
[12:23:26] <fennecgirl> I see my mom in my dreams sometimes
[12:23:34] <@tengolacamisayempsa> D:
[12:23:36] <Mindraker> I see them about once a week
[12:23:42] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i always get dreams where i fight with my mom
[12:23:47] <fennecgirl> I told her I was dreaming in my last LD. She just said, "Oh, okay."
[12:23:48] <@OB> actually, fighting with my mom usally makes me lucid because we never argue irl
[12:23:50] <@tengolacamisayempsa> and usually it ends with me breaking stuff
[12:24:02] <@tengolacamisayempsa> like throwing vases or bottles or anything that breaks on the ground D:
[12:24:15] <@tengolacamisayempsa> maybe it's because of my repressed feelings towards her
[12:24:16] <@tengolacamisayempsa> >.>
[12:24:24] <@RareCola> Ouch
[12:24:40] <@OB> wow
[12:24:57] <@OB> I can understand that.. I yell at people in dreams that I don't irl
[12:25:03] GimmeDatBluntWave [[email protected]] is now known as GimmeDatNuttWave
[12:25:11] <@OB> like bullies from school in the past, or my evil stepfather
[12:25:16] <@tengolacamisayempsa> welll im not gonna go into details but they're not very violent feelings though
[12:25:19] <Xyvoch> I never argued in any dream
[12:25:23] <@tengolacamisayempsa> they just get magnified in my dreams
[12:25:25] <Mindraker> Over here, it's complicated, because she used to be the overcontrolling bitch, but now that she's becoming old and frail, I'm the one starting to take care of the family. It's like the roles are reversed.
[12:25:27] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i swear
[12:25:28] <@tengolacamisayempsa> D:
[12:25:58] <@OB> Mindraker: taking advantage of her frailness in dreams? You dog you
[12:25:58] <kraom> i also cant say ive ever argued in a dream..
[12:26:01] <@RareCola> Of course, pretty sure the emotionally-restrictive part of your brain shuts off in dreams
[12:26:07] <Mindraker> lol
[12:26:45] <@OB> RareCola: do you suppose it gets switched back on in lucids? Since I feel like I don't want to hurt anyone or anything when I'm lucid.
[12:26:53] <@OB> even though I know it's a dream
[12:27:01] <@OB> maybe partially
[12:27:15] <@RareCola> Somewhat, but I still don't think it's fully switched on. Similar to how your consciousness isn't fully switched on
[12:27:21] <kraom> I think so.. you have more of your feelings of morality
[12:27:33] <@tengolacamisayempsa> yup
[12:27:43] <kraom> but i agree not fully
[12:27:44] <@OB> yeah that makes sense
[12:28:15] <@RareCola> It's really interesting how much lucidity reflects real life
[12:28:42] <@RareCola> I'm pretty sure it'd be possible to reach a stage of complete consciousness too. I've got pretty close, but not reached such a level yet.
[12:28:50] <acelegion|Away> !back sorry :/
[12:28:52] acelegion|Away [[email protected]] is now known as acelegion
[12:28:55] <@OB> wb ace
[12:28:57] <@tengolacamisayempsa> wb
[12:29:07] acelegion [[email protected]] is now known as bronielegion
[12:29:15] <Xyvoch> a stage where you can think of your real life and all you know about dreams?
[12:29:17] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lol
[12:29:31] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i guess yes
[12:29:47] <Xyvoch> is it possible?
[12:29:54] <@OB> yeah, where you're completely aware that your real self is in bed asleep, and you can do literally anything
[12:30:01] <@OB> Reece believes so
[12:30:09] <@OB> I should link you to his videos
[12:30:23] <@OB> unless Rare beats me to it, i have to go to the bathroom
[12:30:24] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i think that would be the best type of lucid dream, full control
[12:30:25] <@OB> !brb
[12:30:26] OB [[email protected]] is now known as OB|BRB
[12:30:32] <@tengolacamisayempsa> haha
[12:30:34] <Mindraker> I guess as you are *falling* asleep, you are at that stage, no?\
[12:30:43] <Mindraker> You are both aware of your body and your mind...?
[12:30:48] <@tengolacamisayempsa> not really, because you lose consciousness a bit
[12:30:50] <@RareCola> Nah, definitely not
[12:30:57] <@tengolacamisayempsa> so you dont have full awareness
[12:31:05] <@tengolacamisayempsa> you're merely passing between the two states
[12:31:11] <@RareCola> I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to reach a stage of full consciousness in a dream
[12:31:13] <Mindraker> Ah, OK,
[12:31:21] <@RareCola> It'd just require a lot of discipline and awareness
[12:31:31] <@tengolacamisayempsa> yup, i hope i dont give up LDing before i reach that level
[12:31:33] <@tengolacamisayempsa> if i ever do
[12:31:49] <kraom> why would you give up!
[12:31:49] <Mindraker> I just want to get *to* LDing.
[12:32:10] <Xyvoch> what do you mean mindraker?
[12:32:12] <@tengolacamisayempsa> when i grow old and weary, that is
[12:32:16] <@tengolacamisayempsa> when i become senile
[12:32:21] <@RareCola> I mean, if you think about it the reversed way. It's possible to reach a stage where your dream recall is so good that you can recall every dream, clearly
[12:32:23] <@tengolacamisayempsa> and bitter and mad at the world hahahahaha
[12:32:27] <kraom> ahh pshh by then youll be a master LDer
[12:32:30] <@RareCola> so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do that from a lucid perspective
[12:32:37] <@tengolacamisayempsa> yeap
[12:32:38] <@tengolacamisayempsa> 8D
[12:32:47] <@tengolacamisayempsa> good point jase
[12:33:01] <Mindraker> Well I have good dreams, the clarity and recall has gotten better as I've worked with you all, but I don't believe I've reached "Lucidity".
[12:33:03] <Xyvoch> every dream luicd? :O
[12:33:05] <@RareCola> It'd be an interesting experiment to be in a lucid and try to write down waking-life recollections in a journal
[12:33:19] <kraom> that would be interesting..
[12:33:24] <@RareCola> I'm sure you'll get there eventually Mindraker
[12:33:34] <@RareCola> You're so dedicated, you're bound to
[12:33:46] <Xyvoch> same for me mindraker
[12:33:50] <@tengolacamisayempsa> like in this post i read, the guy says that the best lucid dreamers don't GET lucid, they STAY lucid...like..all their waking moments are lucid, so when they sleep, they merely stay lucid
[12:33:55] <@tengolacamisayempsa> if you know what i mean
[12:33:56] <@tengolacamisayempsa> x)
[12:33:57] <kraom> i think your due for one after being forced to have sex with your mom
[12:33:57] <Mindraker> Good luck! Xyvoch
[12:34:10] <Xyvoch> like a permanent wild?
[12:34:14] <Mindraker> !dj Xyvoch
[12:34:14] <iBot> http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/Xyvoch/
[12:34:18] <@tengolacamisayempsa> yea permanent lucidity
[12:34:18] <@tengolacamisayempsa> haha
[12:34:25] <Xyvoch> Good luck to you too mindraker
[12:34:56] <Mindraker> Do you write a dream journal in a notebook, Xyvoch?
[12:35:01] <@RareCola> I may suggest that journal thing as an advanced TOTM actually
[12:35:10] <kraom> i think you should
[12:35:22] <@OB|BRB> !back
[12:35:24] OB|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OB
[12:35:26] <@tengolacamisayempsa> wb
[12:35:31] <kraom> and then try finding it again in another lucid
[12:35:34] <kraom> after the initial time..
[12:36:01] <Xyvoch> Ofc i do (on my phone actualy) but first it'S french and second i don'g want to translate all to english what would take to much time just so you can read it :/
[12:36:34] <Xyvoch> !dj mindraker
[12:36:34] <iBot> Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - Mindraker's Dream Journal - Dream Journals
[12:36:34] <@OB> Xyvoch here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/layers-lucidity-131625/
[12:36:40] <@OB> you might find that interesting
[12:37:02] <Xyvoch> already watched it
[12:37:09] <@OB> ah ok
[12:37:12] <Xyvoch> but thx
[12:37:17] <Mindraker> Lol.... everyone reading about my mom-dream haha
[12:37:22] <@OB> anytime, I love referencing his stuff
[12:37:34] <@OB> oh I so am too, after breakfast
[12:37:48] <@tengolacamisayempsa> it's interesting... it's amusing how i think about the first time when i didn't know about lucid dreaming, and watched reece's vids
[12:37:54] <@tengolacamisayempsa> and i compare it to when i watch it now
[12:38:09] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i was so ignorant back then x)
[12:38:13] <@tengolacamisayempsa> still now, but slightly less so
[12:38:18] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lol
[12:38:22] <@OB> you watched them before you had an LD paige? or just before you knew the terms
[12:38:27] <@RareCola> Haha tell me about it. It's amazing to think how much I've learnt about dreams in the last 3 months
[12:38:33] <@tengolacamisayempsa> just before i knew the terms
[12:38:39] <@tengolacamisayempsa>
[12:38:43] <@RareCola> OH BALLS I just remember, it's the 27th! I started LDing on April 27th.
[12:38:46] <@RareCola> 3 month anniversary
[12:38:49] <@tengolacamisayempsa> his vids were the first i watched related to lucid dreaming
[12:39:02] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i actually got motivated because of his siexy accent
[12:39:03] <@tengolacamisayempsa> HAHAHA!
[12:39:04] <@OB> really?! congrats man!
[12:39:12] OB hands RareCola a beer.
[12:39:18] <@tengolacamisayempsa> oh nice jason!!!
[12:39:23] <Mindraker> congrats, RareCola
[12:39:27] tengolacamisayempsa brings out the confetti cannon
[12:39:31] <@RareCola> haha
[12:39:36] <@OB> sexy accent you say? haha
[12:40:12] <@RareCola> So weird being a British guy when the rest of the world seems to love the accent so much.
[12:40:25] <@tengolacamisayempsa> weeellll you gotta admit
[12:40:26] <@RareCola> God knows why, it's somewhat ungraceful xD
[12:40:36] <@tengolacamisayempsa> x)
[12:40:43] <@OB> I like italian accents too
[12:40:46] <@tengolacamisayempsa> dat accent
[12:40:50] <@tengolacamisayempsa> -bites lip-
[12:40:53] <@tengolacamisayempsa> LOL
[12:40:59] <Xyvoch> the only ones who don't like english accent are americans
[12:41:00] <kraom> lol
[12:41:02] <@OB> but yeah, the british one is pretty lip-biting I must agree
[12:41:13] <@tengolacamisayempsa>
[12:41:32] Mindraker is American, so everyone who doesn't speak with an American accent must be British.
[12:41:34] <bronielegion> proud to be british
[12:41:36] <bronielegion>
[12:41:42] <kraom> it depends for me there different types of british accents
[12:41:48] <@OB> i used to have dreams about this one british actor, and his voice and accents was always spot on
[12:41:49] <kraom> there's*
[12:41:54] <@tengolacamisayempsa> waaaaaait a minute
[12:41:56] <@OB> incredible what the mind can create for you in a dream
[12:41:58] <@tengolacamisayempsa> D: D: D:
[12:42:05] <fennecgirl> I don't even know what my accent is
[12:42:09] <fennecgirl> Americans say I sound British
[12:42:10] <Mindraker> There is no such thing as Australia... only demons and dragons live south of the equator
[12:42:13] <@tengolacamisayempsa> all this time rare, i imagined your text with an american, and not a british accent
[12:42:14] <fennecgirl> Brits say I sound American
[12:42:14] <@tengolacamisayempsa> :O
[12:42:23] <fennecgirl> My accent is kind of a mix
[12:42:26] <Xyvoch> americans say i sound french
[12:42:28] <@tengolacamisayempsa> now, BOOM...my brain....
[12:42:30] <@RareCola> Haha really?
[12:42:31] <@tengolacamisayempsa> x_x
[12:42:33] <@tengolacamisayempsa> yes
[12:42:35] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i dont know why
[12:42:35] <@OB> yeah RareCola is very accenty
[12:42:39] <@OB> in a good way
[12:42:47] <@tengolacamisayempsa> you've heard him? :O
[12:42:49] <fennecgirl> Yeah, I was born in America, and I've lived here my whole life, but my parents are from England
[12:42:50] <@RareCola> Am I? I've always thought I had a pretty neutral accent
[12:42:56] <Mindraker> (Besides, this "equator-thing" is just a government conspiracy
[12:43:04] <@OB> yes we do shared dreaming
[12:43:14] <Mindraker> oh yeah
[12:43:17] <@OB> I'm messin
[12:43:23] <Mindraker> lol
[12:43:37] <@tengolacamisayempsa> loool
[12:43:39] <@OB> fennecgirl: oh so you probably picked up some of the accent from them? that's cool
[12:43:52] <fennecgirl> Yep
[12:44:03] <@OB> RareCola: your accent sounds british, but the dignified kind
[12:44:07] Mindraker is still laughing
[12:44:12] GimmeDatNuttWave lols at OB's name
[12:44:12] <@OB> maybe that's why it sounds neutral to you? I dunno
[12:44:13] <@tengolacamisayempsa> dignified kind x)
[12:44:25] <@OB> GimmeDatNuttWave: at least NUTT isn't in there
[12:44:32] <bronielegion> should here the accents from nottingham... it would make you cringe
[12:44:35] <bronielegion> 'blud'
[12:44:38] <@RareCola> Probably
[12:44:54] <@OB> oops we got off topic
[12:44:57] <@OB> paigey's fault
[12:45:00] <kraom> yea some british accents i dont even know what people are saying
[12:45:08] <@tengolacamisayempsa> sorryyyy
[12:45:12] <@RareCola> bronielegion: init blud
[12:45:19] <@tengolacamisayempsa> see what british accents do to female minds?!
[12:45:21] <@tengolacamisayempsa> d:
[12:45:27] <@RareCola> hahaha
[12:45:33] <&GimmeDatNuttWave> british accents are so overrated
[12:45:41] <@OB> how DARE you!
[12:45:58] <@tengolacamisayempsa> everything is overrated! D:
[12:45:58] GimmeDatNuttWave has a scottish accent though so it's ok
[12:46:02] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lmao
[12:46:03] <@OB> I like scottish too so don't worry my love
[12:46:20] <@RareCola> Strong scottish accents scare me
[12:46:29] <@OB> send me and paigey a recording of your voice and we'll rate it for you
[12:46:37] <@tengolacamisayempsa> ;D
[12:46:41] <Mindraker> Oh god... the food I ate at the festival finally hit my intestines... oh god
[12:46:47] <Mindraker> oh god
[12:46:47] <@OB> ruuuuun!
[12:46:51] <@tengolacamisayempsa> GimmeDatNuttWave: Merida: So much jompeng!
[12:46:55] <@tengolacamisayempsa> d:
[12:47:10] <@OB> don't forget your gameboy Mindraker
[12:47:39] <@OB> is realdealmagic awake in here?
[12:48:10] <kraom> ahhh if he were he'd be talking
[12:48:11] <kraom> haha
[12:48:14] <bronielegion> Lunar C - Fire In The Booth - YouTube
[12:48:16] <@OB> lol
[12:48:50] <@OB> what's this ace?
[12:49:05] <bronielegion> someone from notts... Thats how they talk around here
[12:49:15] <@OB> oh
[12:49:23] <bronielegion> cant fucking understand them half of the time
[12:49:29] <kraom> mhmm
[12:49:33] <@OB> anyone ever spoke or heard another language in a dream?
[12:49:34] <kraom> ive herd that kind before
[12:49:37] <@OB> I speak german sometimes
[12:49:44] <Xyvoch> cool!
[12:49:55] <Mindraker> I'm back!
[12:49:55] <@RareCola> I've had people talking stuff that I don't understand, but it's just gibberish, not another language
[12:49:57] <Mindraker> whew!
[12:50:00] <@OB> it's not my first language, I learned it in school
[12:50:10] <@OB> feel better Mindraker?
[12:50:11] <kraom> cant say i have in a dream but sometimes just thinking ill hear japanese that ive heard before
[12:50:15] <kraom> without knowing what it means..
[12:50:16] <Mindraker> Much better thanks OB
[12:50:19] <@tengolacamisayempsa> ooh i did!
[12:50:23] <@tengolacamisayempsa> my angel dream
[12:50:29] <@OB> which language?
[12:50:34] <@tengolacamisayempsa> the angel talked in a weird language that sounded like fdsflkjdfjsbflkajsgf
[12:50:37] <@tengolacamisayempsa>
[12:50:41] <kraom> lol
[12:50:44] <@tengolacamisayempsa> dunno what it was
[12:50:46] <Xyvoch> oh wait :O
[12:50:49] <@tengolacamisayempsa> and im sure it wasnt a language i know
[12:50:56] <@tengolacamisayempsa> crazy brain is crazy
[12:51:05] <@OB> haha weirrrd.. I had that with the DIELD demon before
[12:51:07] <@tengolacamisayempsa> his voice was so relaxing too
[12:51:07] <@RareCola> The creativeness of the brain always amazes me
[12:51:09] <Xyvoch> I don't know if i ever dreamt in german :O
[12:51:16] <@OB> I think it was satanic though, opposite of yours lol
[12:51:20] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lol
[12:51:24] <@tengolacamisayempsa> cool
[12:51:49] <Mindraker> That guy sounds like he has a nasal infection and had cocoa puffs for breakfast, lunch, and supper.
[12:51:57] <@OB> sorry if I'm a little spacey this morning guys, haven't eaten yet today
[12:52:16] <@RareCola> Haven't eaten and it's almost 1PM?
[12:52:20] <@RareCola> Shame on youuu
[12:52:22] <Xyvoch> is it normal that in my dreams i never talk?
[12:52:39] <Mindraker> Lunar C - Fire In The Booth <--- so much for all the relaxing binaural beats I listened to this morning, you fuck shits
[12:52:40] <kraom> i dont ever eat til around 1 pm
[12:52:47] <@RareCola> Talking is quite rare in my dreams actually, and mostly when I try to talk in lucids I can't talk or I can only whisper
[12:52:49] <kraom> lol mindraker
[12:53:00] <@RareCola> hahaha Mindraker
[12:53:02] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lolwut Mindraker x)
[12:53:04] <kraom> yea i also dont talk in my lucids rarecola
[12:53:06] <@RareCola> Poor you
[12:53:14] <@OB> haha
[12:53:16] <bronielegion>
[12:53:20] <Xyvoch> my dreams are pretty quiet though
[12:53:31] <@tengolacamisayempsa> im very talkative in dreams X)
[12:53:40] <@tengolacamisayempsa> but in my dreams i speak better
[12:53:41] <Xyvoch> oh lol...
[12:53:42] <@tengolacamisayempsa> than irl
[12:53:42] <@RareCola> Y'know I actually think in a lot of my non-lucids my communication happens telepathically
[12:53:45] <@OB> I'm a motormouth in real life, and it translates right into my dreams
[12:53:52] <Xyvoch> i just realised that ob is ophelia....
[12:53:56] <kraom> i was about to say the same rarecola
[12:53:57] <@tengolacamisayempsa> probably because of my desire to speak fluently or something
[12:53:59] <@tengolacamisayempsa> gaaa
[12:54:00] <@OB> ha
[12:54:11] <Mindraker> Hmm... that's an interesting point... I hear other people talking; I sometimes hear "someone" talking but I don't know who it is; but I am not aware of myself talking.
[12:54:12] <@OB> does my avatar show up?
[12:54:13] <kraom> not much talking really happens in my non-lucids at all
[12:54:29] <@RareCola> I think the introverted / extroverted personalities reflects in dreams a lot, though
[12:54:35] <@tengolacamisayempsa> oh cool
[12:54:37] <Xyvoch> yes but i'm tired...
[12:54:54] <kraom> what do you mean your avatar like on the forum? does it show up?
[12:54:55] <@OB> oh ok, I was just curious because it had problems before
[12:54:59] <&GimmeDatNuttWave> [18:46:50] <@tengolacamisayempsa> GimmeDatNuttWave: Merida: So much jompeng!
[12:55:01] <@OB> sorry I meant in here
[12:55:01] <&GimmeDatNuttWave> I- what?!
[12:55:04] <kraom> oh
[12:55:06] <@tengolacamisayempsa> sometimes, DCs talk in weird sounds (not languages), and for some reason i just know what they mean
[12:55:17] <@tengolacamisayempsa> lol
[12:55:18] <Xyvoch> oh lol
[12:55:18] <@OB> that way you know it's me when Alex goes bonkers with our names
[12:55:23] <@tengolacamisayempsa> in Brave
[12:55:23] <Mindraker> I get that all the time... my DCs will talk in gibberish
[12:55:29] <Mindraker> there's a whole thread about that
[12:55:37] <Mindraker> "DCs say the weirdest things"
[12:55:43] <kraom> ive never had that happen to me
[12:55:54] <@tengolacamisayempsa> OB i've never seen your avie
[12:55:54] <@OB> I don't get the gibberish that often, but I will if I tell them they're in MY dream
[12:56:05] <@tengolacamisayempsa> i keep getting the avatar notifications though
[12:56:10] <@RareCola> avatars don't show up on my IRC client, tragic
[12:56:11] <@OB> yeah kvirc is a bit poopie for me
[12:56:29] <@OB> I can see yours though
[12:56:33] <Xyvoch> i never see the faces of my dc or they aren't clear....
[12:56:34] <Mindraker> qwebirc... the rox!
[12:56:53] <@RareCola> Same issue Xyvoch, it's relatively common
[12:56:59] <@OB> I'll keep that in mind Mindraker
[12:57:15] <@RareCola> Faces require special attention to be able to recall them properly
[12:57:23] <@OB> me too Xyvoch... I have to really focus on faces for them to come out right in a LD
[12:57:41] <kraom> i only remember faces from lucids
[12:57:44] <@OB> so annoying.. Chopin didn't even look like Chopin
[12:57:45] <@OB> at all
[12:57:50] <kraom> non from non-lucids
[12:57:53] <kraom> none*
[12:58:16] <Mindraker> People with 9-5 jobs in real life are behaving more like DCs in my dreams.
[12:58:18] <&GimmeDatNuttWave> aye, the bonnie lass is choppin!
[12:58:32] <@OB> Chopin* not choppin
[12:58:32] <Mindraker> zombielike, braindead...
[12:58:37] <&GimmeDatNuttWave> [scottish accent for best effect]
[12:58:45] <@RareCola> Haha yea, reminds me of my Willy Wonka dream where Willy Wonka was this weirdass mix of Gene Wilding and Johnny Depp
[12:59:04] <@OB> I can't even mix the 2 in my head right now
[12:59:08] <@OB> that must have been odd
[12:59:13] <Mindraker> lol
[13:00:11] RareCola [[email protected]] has set channel mode -i
[13:00:16] <@OB> ok I'm going to go log chat from here then get some fooooood
[13:00:16] <@RareCola> Before I forget
[13:00:18] <Mindraker> Speaking of actors, I get famous actors as DCs, even though I don't know their names.
[13:00:22] <@OB> thanks Jason
[13:00:38] <@OB> and paige
[13:00:41] <Mindraker> I couldn't tell you who the last oscar winner was... never cared what an Oscar was.
[13:00:46] <@tengolacamisayempsa> hmm?
[13:00:46] <@RareCola> ah I've had people I've recognised before that I don't know exactly who they are
[13:00:52] <@tengolacamisayempsa> oh
[13:00:57] <@OB> !away
[13:00:57] OB [[email protected]] is now known as OB|Away

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• Monday, July 30, 8pm CST
• Tuesday, July 31, 8pm CST
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Monday, July 30th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

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[20:01:23] <@realdealmagic> Hello all
[20:01:32] <@realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue's just sending out the PM, then we'll get started.
[20:01:37] <hathor28> hi
[20:01:39] <@realdealmagic> Any of you have any interesting experiences this weekend?
[20:01:45] <Banned^|BRB> lets get this shit started
[20:01:50] <Banned^|BRB> !back ish
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[20:01:57] DreamBlunt [[email protected]] has set mode +v Caenis
[20:01:58] DreamBlunt [[email protected]] has set mode +o Caenis
[20:02:00] <Banned^> hey Caenis
[20:02:08] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah a vampire sucked out my spinal fluids
[20:02:11] <hathor28> hi caen
[20:02:12] <@RareCola> Hey all
[20:02:14] <hathor28> eew
[20:02:15] <@realdealmagic> Sounds fun...Ish.
[20:02:19] <@realdealmagic> Hey
[20:02:24] <@RareCola> Oreo's alive! ALL HAIL THE CREAMY FILLING
[20:02:29] <Banned^> realdealmagic: so... Do I know you?
[20:02:34] <@Caenis> Hey everyone.
[20:02:41] <%Oreoboy1996>
[20:02:45] <@realdealmagic> Ummm. We've talked a couple of times, or seen each other.
[20:02:58] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: i think that's davethejoker
[20:03:03] <@realdealmagic> It is.
[20:03:04] <@realdealmagic>
[20:03:14] <@RareCola> realdeal's another British guy, although he lacks my stamina and doesn't stay up this late every night. That's probably why you haven't seen him around much, Dave
[20:03:20] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> ew a spinal fluid vampire?
[20:03:23] <@RareCola> although, he is our new apprentice!
[20:03:23] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[20:03:25] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:03:26] <Banned^> oh I see, thanks RareCola
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[20:03:40] <@OpheliaBlue> hi syth406
[20:03:42] <@Caenis> Hey syth.
[20:03:45] <@realdealmagic> Not lacking stamina, simply trying to keep a normal sleep sched!
[20:03:52] <Banned^> me too bro
[20:03:56] <syth406> Hey guise
[20:03:58] <@RareCola> haha
[20:04:01] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola is the only one with enough stamina for me
[20:04:03] <@RareCola> hey syth406
[20:04:04] <syth406> I had my first actual lucid today!
[20:04:06] <@realdealmagic> Hey Suth406
[20:04:08] <@Caenis> I gave up having a normal sleep schedule years ago.
[20:04:09] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah
[20:04:10] <@realdealmagic> Yay!
[20:04:13] <ccrinbama> Grats Syth
[20:04:18] <@Caenis> Congrats syth.
[20:04:18] <%Oreoboy1996> i've learned that attacks to the spine hurt like hell
[20:04:23] <@OpheliaBlue> syth406: seriosuly?!?!
[20:04:26] <@realdealmagic> Well done Syth
[20:04:29] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome man
[20:04:33] Oreoboy1996 claps for syth406
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[20:04:40] <syth406> Took way too long.
[20:04:45] <hathor28> only had 1 hour sleep due to telepathy session before bad
[20:04:49] <ccrinbama> It happened, that's what matters.
[20:04:50] <syth406> But I didn't even care about it for a long time.
[20:04:51] Caenis presents syth with an Oreoboy.
[20:04:52] <hathor28> oops bed
[20:05:00] <syth406> Only paid attention to recall.
[20:05:08] <@RareCola> Telepathy session?
[20:05:12] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:05:23] <hathor28> but before that i had a perfect deild going on
[20:05:26] <ccrinbama> If you don't have decent recall, then you won't get to remember your lucids, anyway.
[20:05:29] <ccrinbama> So that was time well spent.
[20:05:37] <syth406> So, I was in florida near a theme park, in some fancy apartment building a mile above the ground. I walked out the kitchen window and started walking down air like steps.
[20:05:38] <@Caenis> Really syth406? When I had my first LD, I couldn't go back to sleep I was so excited.
[20:05:48] <syth406> I wasn't that excited actually.
[20:05:50] AintNuttinButAGThangWave|Away [[email protected]] is now known as AintNuttinButAGThangWave
[20:05:54] <hathor28> yes a session i had for 3hrs
[20:05:54] <syth406> It was relatively long too.
[20:06:01] <@RareCola> I came really close to WILDing during an afternoon nap today. Got disturbed right in the middle of HI by my brother coming home early :l
[20:06:05] <@OpheliaBlue> hey AintNuttinButAGThangWave
[20:06:06] <syth406> I had no problems with stabalization
[20:06:28] <syth406> And so I just walked down, I was like "I'm dreaming."
[20:06:30] <syth406> RC
[20:06:34] <ccrinbama> That's good then, Syth, if stability in your first LD wasn't a problem from getting too excited, you're golden.
[20:06:39] <syth406> And then nothing I just kept going.
[20:06:50] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> OpheliaBlue: hello
[20:06:52] <syth406> Felt semilucid, I just kinda went back up.
[20:06:59] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't get excited when i become lucid either
[20:07:07] <ccrinbama> I get way too excited.
[20:07:10] <ccrinbama> And the dream crumbles around me.
[20:07:11] <ccrinbama> Every time
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[20:07:25] <@RareCola> I don't get excited enough sometimes, I feel
[20:07:27] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> how is the class going? everyone enjoying it and learning stuff?
[20:07:29] <%Oreoboy1996> which is why you must learn to calm yoursel
[20:07:32] <%Oreoboy1996> yourself*
[20:07:40] <@OpheliaBlue> we're about to learn stuff once I set a topic
[20:07:56] <%Oreoboy1996> well i haven't learned much yet
[20:07:58] <syth406> Lost luciditiy later got it back, I was in michigan (went on vacation there last week) and I started using some schemeta stuff and stared at random objects. I looked at random objects and started seeing fractals inside them.
[20:07:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to get a feel for what's hot first
[20:07:59] <%Oreoboy1996> but i'm enjoying myself
[20:08:07] AintNuttinButAGThangWave [[email protected]] has set mode +v OpheliaBlue
[20:08:08] <hathor28> lol
[20:08:16] <@Caenis> Wow, that's really trippy syth.
[20:08:39] Evolventity|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as Evolventity
[20:08:43] <@OpheliaBlue> that's really cool syth406, I'm happy for you
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[20:08:56] <syth406> Thanks
[20:08:59] <hathor28> hi
[20:09:01] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Dark_Merlin
[20:09:01] <@OpheliaBlue> hey merlin!
[20:09:06] <@realdealmagic> Hey Dark_Merlin
[20:09:18] <ccrinbama> Hey Merlin.
[20:09:23] <ccrinbama> All the salutations!
[20:09:43] <syth406> I think the reason I was calm is I read about not trying to pour too much of your conscience in the dream. So I sort of forced myself to be semilucid I guess.
[20:09:45] RareCola [[email protected]] has set channel mode +i
[20:09:48] <%Dark_Merlin> hi
[20:09:50] <@OpheliaBlue> so RareCola and Paigeyemps were recently talking about noting the times you wake up during the night/early morning
[20:10:07] <syth406> I'm doing that a little more regularly.
[20:10:20] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah? noticing a pattern syth406
[20:10:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ?
[20:10:28] <%Oreoboy1996> syth406: i sort of do the same thing, i just let the dream flow for the most part
[20:10:35] <@RareCola> Mhmm yea, I think it's a great way to organically figure out your prime WBTB times
[20:10:37] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't call it semi lucid though
[20:10:44] <%Oreoboy1996> since you're either aware or you're not
[20:10:46] <hathor28> idk
[20:10:50] <@realdealmagic> I need to sort out my sleeping pattern before I do that.
[20:10:55] <syth406> I didn't even do it like that intentionally, though I don't think. Felt natural.
[20:10:55] <hathor28> i sleepon and off
[20:11:23] <@OpheliaBlue> I usually wake up at 5am, then 7am, then 9am, roughly
[20:11:33] <syth406> Well I was going in and out of lucidity.
[20:11:51] <ccrinbama> You know.
[20:11:52] <syth406> Very regularly.
[20:12:00] <syth406> I kept forgetting and remembering throughout the dream.
[20:12:01] <ccrinbama> It used to be common for most everyone to wake up in the middle of the night.
[20:12:02] <ccrinbama> For about an hour.
[20:12:08] <ccrinbama> Before we had electric lights.
[20:12:12] <ccrinbama> There's a term for it.
[20:12:20] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really record the times i wake up
[20:12:24] <@realdealmagic> Anti-Siesta?
[20:12:28] <%Dark_Merlin> i record when i wake up
[20:12:30] <ccrinbama> Hah, don't remember.
[20:12:36] <%Dark_Merlin> so i can keep track of the dreams i missed/forgot
[20:12:36] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao realdealmagic
[20:13:06] <@OpheliaBlue> that's interesting though ccrinbama
[20:13:18] <@RareCola> We're currently in the process of revamping the Intro Class Lessons, sometime this week we should have a whole new plan and homework for you guys to check out. We're looking to get some of this more organic stuff integrated, instead of the somewhat robotic structure we have now. Should be good
[20:13:20] <ccrinbama> Our way of sleeping.
[20:13:21] <@Caenis> That's a good idea, Dark_Merlin.
[20:13:24] <ccrinbama> 8 hour blocks, is relatively new.
[20:13:31] <ccrinbama> Biphasic sleeping has been teh norm pretty much for forever.
[20:13:45] <ccrinbama> That's pretty exciting, Cola.
[20:13:46] <Banned^> !brb
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[20:13:48] <@realdealmagic> ccrinbama told me of an app called Sleep Cycle that tracks your movement in bed to show you when you are in different phases.
[20:13:54] <@realdealmagic> I'm going to use it to find out when I'm in REM.
[20:13:59] <ccrinbama> Ah, yea, it's pretty useful, actually.
[20:14:05] <%Dark_Merlin> realdealmagic: yeah it's pretty cool
[20:14:07] <ccrinbama> Nice way to find when you naturally REM, though I haven't used it in years.
[20:14:11] <syth406> Hey is that "someotherpony" guy still around?
[20:14:13] <%Dark_Merlin> i don't have an android phone, so i cant use it
[20:14:13] <ccrinbama> Er, a year, I guess.
[20:14:23] <@realdealmagic> It's iOS
[20:14:43] <%Dark_Merlin> ah
[20:14:46] <%Dark_Merlin> there's another for android
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[20:14:52] <%Dark_Merlin> i have a nokia that runs symbian :/
[20:14:53] <ccrinbama> For any smartphone or tablet os, basically.
[20:15:03] <ccrinbama> You can break it onto anything.
[20:15:06] <%Dark_Merlin> i really wanna use them though, it seems pretty interesting aha
[20:15:14] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, anyway, it's a really useful tool to have to get your WBTB times down.
[20:15:39] <ccrinbama> I sometimes wish I didn't have lights.
[20:15:43] <ccrinbama> SO I could revert to natural biphasic sleep.
[20:15:47] <ccrinbama> So good for WBTBs.
[20:15:50] <@RareCola> I try to stray away from too much technology use, but it's a great way to get a basis down
[20:15:58] <@RareCola> I wouldn't rely it apps and such for more than a week or two though
[20:16:14] <%Oreoboy1996> how would biphasic sleep be any better?
[20:16:16] <@realdealmagic> Yeah RareCola, you are better to get it so you teach yourself and learn yourself.
[20:16:31] <ccrinbama> In biphasic sleep, you sleep in two big chunks.
[20:16:39] <ccrinbama> So when you woke up for that hour or whatever.
[20:16:41] <ccrinbama> Then went back to sleep.
[20:16:47] <ccrinbama> The duration between REMs would be drastically reduced.
[20:16:54] <ccrinbama> And you would always naturally wake up, as it would be part of your sleep cycle.
[20:16:59] <ccrinbama> And not a learned behavior.
[20:17:01] <ccrinbama> It would be natural.
[20:17:09] <%Oreoboy1996> i wake up naturally multiple times a night
[20:17:18] <ccrinbama> About 1/3 of all people do.
[20:17:22] <@RareCola> You naturally wake up after every dream
[20:17:24] <@RareCola> everybody does
[20:17:28] <@RareCola> you just don't notice it most of the time
[20:17:30] <ccrinbama> I mean, become fully awake.
[20:17:34] <ccrinbama> Every night, basically.
[20:17:43] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah that's what i meant
[20:17:44] <@RareCola> How long is the first chunk anyway, ccrinbama?
[20:17:49] <%Oreoboy1996> well sort of
[20:17:59] <ccrinbama> It depends on how long you would sleep.
[20:17:59] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm fully aware, but i still want to go right back to sleep
[20:18:00] AintNuttinButAGThangWave guesses ccrinbama means awake as in consciously awake
[20:18:04] <@realdealmagic> is it 4 and 4 hours ccrunbama?
[20:18:06] <ccrinbama> The length of night at the time.
[20:18:10] <ccrinbama> Ideally.
[20:18:18] <ccrinbama> I mean.
[20:18:21] <ccrinbama> We've been doing it forever.
[20:18:33] <@RareCola> So you sleep 4 hours, wake for 1 hour, then sleep for another 4?
[20:18:36] <@RareCola> Is that not just a WBTB?
[20:18:37] <ccrinbama> Right.
[20:18:41] <ccrinbama> Lemme see if I can find a link.
[20:18:48] <ccrinbama> Ok.
[20:18:48] <ccrinbama> Busting the 8-Hour Sleep Myth: Why You Should Wake Up in the Night | LifesLittleMysteries.com
[20:18:51] <@OpheliaBlue> yea biphasic is basically a WBTB
[20:18:53] <ccrinbama> This isn't the most scientific link.
[20:18:56] <ccrinbama> But.
[20:18:59] <ccrinbama> It gets the idea across.
[20:19:02] <@realdealmagic> That is WBTB, I think he's just saying it would be useful if we still slept like that.
[20:19:10] <ccrinbama> We still will naturally.
[20:19:12] <hathor28> speaking of hours i got to sleep now lol
[20:19:16] <ccrinbama> If removed from lighting that keeps us up.
[20:19:20] <hathor28> gn
[20:19:20] <@OpheliaBlue> ok night hathor28
[20:19:24] <@RareCola> Yea, although 1 hour WBTBs aren't the best for everybody though, ccrinbama
[20:19:27] <ccrinbama> Cya Hathor.
[20:19:29] <hathor28> ty
[20:19:31] <ccrinbama> Doesn't have to be an hour.
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[20:19:45] <ccrinbama> It's an incredibly efficient way of sleeping, it's what we're built for.
[20:19:48] <ccrinbama> We aren't made for 8 hour blocks.
[20:19:52] <@RareCola> Ah so it's basically just a fancy scientific name for WBTB
[20:20:03] <ccrinbama> It's just our regular sleep cycle.
[20:20:05] <ccrinbama> It's biphasic.
[20:20:16] <ccrinbama> Biphasic is a LD related term.
[20:20:16] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll read it later
[20:20:25] <ccrinbama> Isnt' an LD related term
[20:20:26] <ccrinbama> Sorry
[20:20:38] <@RareCola> That's what I'm getting at
[20:20:47] <@RareCola> WBTB is pretty common amongst the LDing community
[20:20:50] <ccrinbama> Right.
[20:20:54] <@RareCola> The scientific benefits are well known
[20:20:59] <@RareCola> But I get what you're saying
[20:21:05] <@RareCola> normal every-day people sleep in 8 hour chunks
[20:21:11] <@RareCola> Lol I make it sound like we're superhumans.
[20:21:16] <ccrinbama> Due to environmental reasons =P
[20:21:19] <@Caenis> Technically WBTB is supposed to last less than an hour. I believe the break for bi-phasic sleep is supposed to last more than an hour.
[20:21:21] <@realdealmagic> Well... We are
[20:21:23] <%Oreoboy1996> i sleep in like 10 hour chunks >.>
[20:21:27] <%Oreoboy1996> and paigey does like 14
[20:21:29] <ccrinbama> People will naturally rever to biphasic if removed from artifical lighting environments.
[20:21:31] <@Caenis> I've seen bi-phasic sleep discussed on DV before.
[20:21:45] <@RareCola> Paige doesn't sleep in 14 hour chunks, but she does take naps
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[20:22:35] <%Oreoboy1996> for a second i thought "maybe i'll change the topic"
[20:22:37] <@OpheliaBlue> I was gonna say, 14??
[20:22:43] <ccrinbama> 14 seems insane.
[20:22:47] <%Oreoboy1996> then i was like "holy crap i changed it with my mind!" *rc*
[20:22:48] <ccrinbama> I dunno if I could do that.
[20:22:55] <ccrinbama> Unless I was sick or something.
[20:22:58] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Oreoboy1996
[20:23:08] <@RareCola> It's unhealthy to sleep too much, though
[20:23:12] <@Caenis> I used to sleep 14 hours, but only after working weird baker hours for a weekend.
[20:23:13] <@OpheliaBlue> and change it anytime you feel it's necessary, I trust your judgement
[20:23:26] <ccrinbama> I worked at a whole foods, our poor bakers.
[20:23:30] <ccrinbama> I felt sorry for them
[20:23:38] <%Oreoboy1996> but now i'm tempted to change the topic to something immature >.>
[20:23:41] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I agree, I've become somewhat of a sleep addict lately, since I started 10-14 hour shifts 3 days a week, with 4 days off
[20:23:48] <@Caenis> If you get used to it it's not so bad. It takes a WHILE to change your sleep schedule so radically.
[20:23:55] <ccrinbama> What's your sleep cycle like with that kind of schedule, Ophelia?
[20:24:16] Secksotiraan sleeps in random chunks and up to two splits.
[20:24:36] <@OpheliaBlue> the nights before I work, I sleep maybe 3-5 hours, on and off (insomnia)
[20:24:49] <Secksotiraan> Er, wait, that sentence made no sence. ;P
[20:25:06] <Secksotiraan> Up to two chunks of varying hours.
[20:25:07] <@OpheliaBlue> on the nights before an off day, I can sleep 10-12 hours, but I start to naturally WBTB at 5, then 7, then 9 etc
[20:25:19] <@realdealmagic> I tend to sleep 9 hours. If I go to bed, I wake up naturally after 9 hours.
[20:25:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Secksotiraan: doing splits in the morning isn't good unless you stretch first
[20:25:37] <Secksotiraan>
[20:25:44] <@RareCola> They're good if they're banana splits
[20:25:50] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:26:04] <@OpheliaBlue> oh and when I excercise, those long sleep cycles get shorter
[20:26:09] <ccrinbama> Really?
[20:26:11] <syth406> RareCola: How exactly is exessive sleep unhealthy?
[20:26:12] <Secksotiraan> I went to bed at 0230-something this morning and woke up at 0620-something.
[20:26:13] <ccrinbama> Do you feel more tired?
[20:26:14] <@OpheliaBlue> I just don't exercise much in the summer here, too hot
[20:26:18] <Secksotiraan> And that is all the sleep I got.
[20:26:31] <ccrinbama> If I sleep excessively, I feel tired throughout the day.
[20:26:34] <@OpheliaBlue> syth406: it lowers your metabolism, BAD
[20:26:34] <@RareCola> Heh, I'm an odd-ball I think. If I just let myself sleep I can only really sleep for 7 hours before my body wakes itself up. Though lately I've been forcing 8 hours to help with LDs
[20:26:37] <ccrinbama> Dunno what physically makes it unhealthy.
[20:26:40] <@realdealmagic> Too much of anything it bad for you.
[20:26:42] <syth406> Hmm..
[20:26:46] <@RareCola> Yep, what OpheliaBlue
[20:26:47] <@RareCola> said
[20:26:52] <@OpheliaBlue> then you function poorly in the day, and need MORE sleep at night to recover etc
[20:26:53] <syth406> That explains a lot.
[20:27:04] <syth406> Whenever I'm sick, I can't digest anything.
[20:27:15] <ccrinbama> Reduced metabolism makes sense.
[20:27:21] <%Oreoboy1996> there's no such thing as too much happinesss >.>
[20:27:22] <ccrinbama> Less time to take in nutrient and energy sources.
[20:27:26] <ccrinbama> Body doesn't know when it will get more.
[20:27:30] <ccrinbama> So it switches to efficiency mode.
[20:27:30] <syth406> But the right amount of sleep can increase metabolism right?
[20:27:38] <@RareCola> You get into this loop of sleeping too much, and your body starts to deteriorate more and more from decreasing metabolism but it requires a consistent amount of excessive sleep because you're so drained
[20:27:52] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: PM
[20:27:55] <syth406> Okay.
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[20:28:13] <ccrinbama> Hey Fennec
[20:28:24] <%Oreoboy1996> hello fennecgirl
[20:28:27] <fennecgirl> hi, sorry I'm late
[20:28:27] <@Caenis> Hello fennecgirl
[20:28:35] <ccrinbama> My sleep cycle is all messed up since moving.
[20:28:43] <ccrinbama> It's causing a lot of damage to my recall.
[20:29:03] <ccrinbama> Plus I sleep in a room that is unpopulated for maybe four hours a night.
[20:29:08] <@realdealmagic> Hello fennecgirl.
[20:30:14] <@Caenis> That sounds terribly unpleasant ccrinbama.
[20:30:25] <ccrinbama> It is.
[20:30:26] <@Caenis> I would be miserable.
[20:30:32] <ccrinbama> On the upside, I get to watch a lot of starcraft streams.
[20:30:37] <ccrinbama> Downside, hardly any dreams.
[20:30:39] <ccrinbama> That I can recall, at least.
[20:31:03] <@Caenis> Haha, Starcraft is always a plus I guess.
[20:31:15] <@OpheliaBlue> hey fennecgirl, sorry about that
[20:31:24] <fennecgirl> it's fine
[20:31:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I PMed you the instructions wrong
[20:31:56] <fennecgirl> oh, okay. Hopefully I can get in fine tomorrow (I'll be a bit late again tomorrow evening).
[20:32:04] <@RareCola> Just for future reference guys: If you want to join when a class is in session, you have to type "/knock #DVA let me in" or any other phrase after it, you need a "reason" for knocking.
[20:32:10] <@RareCola> Sorry for the incorrect instructions
[20:32:29] <fennecgirl> okay, thanks!
[20:33:10] <@OpheliaBlue> and I'll correct it in the next #DVA class PM, so the others will know too
[20:33:46] <ccrinbama> I had a friend in highschool who adopted this cycle where he only slept in one hour segments.
[20:33:52] <ccrinbama> Multiple times throughout the day.
[20:33:57] <ccrinbama> ANyone know of an LDer trying this?
[20:34:04] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, there have been a couple threads.
[20:34:08] <ccrinbama> It was hell for him to start it, but he felt super rested once he got comfortable into it
[20:34:09] <@RareCola> I don't think it's good for LDing, personally
[20:34:28] <ccrinbama> Wouldn't you always move directly in REM?
[20:34:28] <@RareCola> The reason those sleep cycles work for rest is because it cuts out all the unnecessary areas of sleep, those areas being the areas in which we dream
[20:34:44] <ccrinbama> Oh, I guess moviong directly into REM makes no sense.
[20:34:47] <@realdealmagic> No, REM is when we get the least amount of rest, since we are most awake.
[20:34:51] <ccrinbama> Aye.
[20:34:51] <@RareCola> precisely
[20:35:03] <@RareCola> In REM sleep you're MORE awake than you are when you're awake
[20:35:06] <@RareCola> well, at least your brain is
[20:35:09] <Banned^|BRB> so thats why when we wake from rem we are less tired
[20:35:11] <@RareCola> this is why it's called "paradoxical" sleep
[20:35:12] <Banned^|BRB> !back
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[20:35:19] <ccrinbama> More awake?
[20:35:22] <ccrinbama> Brain activity?
[20:35:24] <@RareCola> Yep
[20:35:30] <@RareCola> Brain activity is higher in REM sleep than waking life
[20:35:30] <Evolventity> WHY DO I KEEP GETTING PINGED
[20:35:31] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, that makes sense.
[20:35:38] <%Oreoboy1996> ccrinbama: i think that's polyphasic sleep (late response)
[20:35:45] <@realdealmagic> Your brain keeps having to actually create scenes rather than just seeing them and processing them.
[20:35:47] <ccrinbama> Yea, polyphasic sounds familiar.
[20:35:54] <@Caenis> We're whispering terrible secrets behind your back, Evolventity
[20:35:55] <@RareCola> Yep, polyphasic or "uberman" sleep schedule.
[20:36:00] <@realdealmagic> Yes, it's called polyphasic.
[20:36:02] <Evolventity> ???
[20:36:05] <Evolventity> Okay then
[20:36:26] <@RareCola> But yes, I doubt you'd dream much of anything with a polyphasic sleep schedule, let alone lucid dream
[20:36:27] <Evolventity> I've heard of that sleep schedule. Considered it once.
[20:36:41] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really want to change my sleep schedule
[20:36:44] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm happy the way it is
[20:36:45] <Evolventity> Unless you can extend the time of a lucid dream.
[20:36:48] <%Oreoboy1996> and it seems to work
[20:36:53] <@realdealmagic> I want to change mine to get myself to sleep earlier.
[20:36:57] <@Caenis> RareCola: I don't know, other people have claimed it really helped with LDing, once you adjust to it.
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[20:36:59] <ccrinbama> As do I RDM.
[20:37:11] <@realdealmagic> But that won't happen with me being in chat all the time
[20:37:14] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: hey yeah, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it
[20:37:24] <%Oreoboy1996> yep
[20:37:39] <@OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: no worries man, you don't have to join these late chats, that's why we're doing the earlier ones too
[20:37:53] <@realdealmagic> I don't have to, but I don't like missing out on things
[20:37:53] <@RareCola> I don't see how Caenis, if you look up the science behind that sleep schedule the WHOLE point of it is that you cut out the paradoxical sleep, the period in which you dream, so you get as much rest as possible in as little time as possible
[20:38:08] <@RareCola> So either they're doing the schedule wrong, or they're not telling the truth
[20:38:09] <@realdealmagic> I've heard of it helping people as well RareCola.
[20:38:13] <@OldSparta> OpheliaBlue: you make this invite only?
[20:38:18] <ccrinbama> The guy was taking seven classes and two directed research labs.
[20:38:22] <ccrinbama> That's why he picked it up, for that reason.
[20:38:23] <@Caenis> I didn't realize that, but I don't see why people would lie about the uberman sleep schedule helping them LD.
[20:38:27] <ccrinbama> Least amount of sleep possible.
[20:38:35] <@OldSparta> if you did, banned wants back in
[20:38:40] <ccrinbama> Well.
[20:38:41] <ccrinbama> I suppose.
[20:38:43] <ccrinbama> Your daydreaming.
[20:38:46] <ccrinbama> Could be very powerful.
[20:38:50] <ccrinbama> On a polyphasic cycle.
[20:38:51] <@OpheliaBlue> banned needs to knock, duh
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[20:39:06] <@OldSparta> eh
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[20:39:09] <@OldSparta> he asked nicely
[20:39:12] <@OldSparta> plus
[20:39:13] <@Caenis> ccrinbama: I suppose that could be it.
[20:39:14] <@OldSparta> knocking is hard
[20:39:21] <Banned^> how do you get it
[20:39:27] <@realdealmagic> Right y'all, I'm going to hit the hay. Happy lucids!
[20:39:28] <@OldSparta> invite only
[20:39:29] <Banned^> I typed /join dva
[20:39:32] <@RareCola> Banned^: "/knock #DVA let me in"
[20:39:36] <@Caenis> See you realdealmagic
[20:39:37] <@OldSparta> Banned^: +i
[20:39:38] <syth406> cya realdeal
[20:39:38] <%Oreoboy1996> good night realdealmagic
[20:39:44] <ccrinbama> bye RDM
[20:39:52] <@realdealmagic> all dem pings :')
[20:39:53] <@realdealmagic> Bye!
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[20:39:58] <Banned^> night
[20:40:00] <Banned^> damn
[20:40:35] <@RareCola> Yea, we're currently redoing how the intro class and the chat itself works somewhat
[20:40:38] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm not sure if daydreaming would be more powerful during a polyphasic cycle
[20:40:41] <@RareCola> going to take a little bit to spread all the new information around to everyone
[20:40:56] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm not sure what exactly would cause it to become more powerful actually
[20:41:06] <@RareCola> Actually I think it's possible Oreo, lots of HI
[20:41:08] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah they'll get it eventually RareCola, especially since you had the idea to adjust the sign up thread
[20:41:09] <ccrinbama> When are you guys rolling that out, Rarecola?
[20:41:17] <@OpheliaBlue> that's where everyone seems to go first
[20:41:18] <%Oreoboy1996> i know it's possible of course RareCola
[20:41:20] <Banned^> brb
[20:41:23] <Banned^> !brb
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[20:41:25] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm just saying i don't know the mechanics behind it
[20:41:29] <@OpheliaBlue> ccrinbama: we fixed some stuff tonight already
[20:41:43] <@OpheliaBlue> check out the first post in the sign up thread
[20:42:05] <@RareCola> Me and Ophelia should have more time tomorrow to go through and get a lot of things reworked, so if we're on game, it should be done by tomorrow's class
[20:42:12] <%Oreoboy1996> is this stuff i should read about ophelia?
[20:44:30] <@Caenis> Ooooh, a template. Good idea.
[20:44:46] <ccrinbama> I asked Cola about this already, I think.
[20:44:54] <@OldSparta> so you are, crazy Dark_Merlin
[20:45:02] <ccrinbama> But would it be possible for you guys to somehow give us allowances to edit the top post in our workbook infinitely?
[20:45:16] <@RareCola> I did bring that up, ccrinbama
[20:45:21] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: it's going to be more awareness based, so you might be interested
[20:45:22] <Banned^|BRB> so fixing my sleed schedule didnt exactly bring tremendously amazing results
[20:45:24] <@RareCola> Tech admins take a while to process these things
[20:45:26] <Banned^|BRB> !back
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[20:45:28] <Banned^> *sleep
[20:45:28] <ccrinbama> Cool, thanks man.
[20:45:33] <%Oreoboy1996> awareness
[20:45:51] <%Dark_Merlin> i'm not crazy OldSparta
[20:45:57] <@OldSparta> LIES
[20:46:01] <%Dark_Merlin> D:
[20:46:39] <@Caenis> Hm. More awareness discussion is a good idea. OpheliaBlue and RareCola you guys are really on the ball with this.
[20:47:16] <@OpheliaBlue> it was really RareCola's idea... my initial approach to the class was based on how people learned to LD when I first joined 8 years ago
[20:47:16] <%Dark_Merlin> mm, i really need to pick up my awareness
[20:47:20] <ccrinbama> What's your sleep schedule like now, Banned?
[20:47:21] <%Dark_Merlin> i go through cycles
[20:47:25] <%Dark_Merlin> of like high awareness
[20:47:26] <@RareCola> Yea, I think us as teachers have learnt a lot teaching the class and it's time for the lessons to reflect that
[20:47:31] <@OpheliaBlue> but lately, eople have really been honing in on awareness, more than techniques persay
[20:47:33] <%Dark_Merlin> and then low awareness when i have to focus at school
[20:47:37] <Banned^> went to bed around midnight last night
[20:47:39] <%Dark_Merlin> school gets in the way so much >>'
[20:47:47] <Banned^> woke up at 10:23
[20:47:53] <ccrinbama> That's a lot of sleep.
[20:47:55] <Banned^> I felt like I was more refreshed I think
[20:48:06] <ccrinbama> Wake up during the night?
[20:48:06] <Banned^> I think it was midnight
[20:48:13] <Banned^> no I never do
[20:48:14] <@Caenis> Good job changing your sleep schedule Dave!
[20:48:23] <Banned^> its better than getting up at noon
[20:48:30] <Banned^> now I can eat breakfast!
[20:48:33] <ccrinbama> How long have you been switched to it? If you just got on it, it may take a little time for it to yield results.
[20:48:41] <Banned^> tonight was the first night
[20:48:49] <Banned^> were I wasnt awakened by an alarm
[20:48:51] <ccrinbama> Yea, so it's still an abnormal sleep cycle for your body
[20:48:55] <ccrinbama> Oh, nevermind then
[20:49:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i think the way most people do it is they focus too much on the technique, their sleep cycle, or what they eat
[20:49:15] <%Oreoboy1996> but what they fail to realize is that the awareness they have is what really matters the most
[20:49:23] <Banned^> for remembering dreams?
[20:49:31] <%Oreoboy1996> for lucid dreaming
[20:49:40] <%Dark_Merlin> agreed Oreoboy1996
[20:49:41] <@Caenis> I've heard about that being a problem, Oreoboy1996. People focus so much on the technique, that they kind of forget that they're the ones with the ability.
[20:49:43] <ccrinbama> If it's to bolster your recall, those factors are really important.
[20:49:45] <Banned^> oh well I changed my sched cause I had no recall
[20:49:47] <%Oreoboy1996> but awareness is also important for recall
[20:49:55] <%Dark_Merlin> i think a lot of mine is confidence though
[20:50:04] <ccrinbama> It is, but having a really abnormal sleep cycle can destroy recall.
[20:50:05] <Banned^> I only could get a couple sentances out this morning
[20:50:05] <ccrinbama> Does for me, at least.
[20:50:22] <%Dark_Merlin> when i go to bed really confident i'll have lucids
[20:50:47] <%Oreoboy1996> truthfully there a lot of factors that can help like confidence, but it's all useless if you don't have the awareness down
[20:51:00] <%Dark_Merlin> true that
[20:51:09] <ccrinbama> Is awareness as important for WILDs?
[20:51:12] <ccrinbama> Where you are actively inducing it.
[20:51:16] <ccrinbama> No lapse in consciousness?
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[20:51:30] <ccrinbama> If that was your main technique.
[20:51:34] <ccrinbama> Would you even really need much awareness?
[20:51:42] <ccrinbama> As the question of the authenticity of your dream would never be in question.
[20:51:45] <%Oreoboy1996> if anything WILD requires more awareness than usual
[20:51:51] <@RareCola> ^
[20:51:52] <ccrinbama> How so?
[20:51:55] <@RareCola> WILD is ALL about awareness
[20:52:02] <@RareCola> you need to be aware of yourself as you make the transition
[20:52:10] <ccrinbama> Wait.
[20:52:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i think techniques work where they try to help you gain awareness in their own way
[20:52:14] <ccrinbama> What do you mean when you say awareness?
[20:52:16] <@RareCola> WILD definitely focuses more on self-awareness than world-awareness, though
[20:52:25] <%Oreoboy1996> when i say awareness i mean awareness
[20:52:29] <ccrinbama> I assume you meant awareness of abnormalities in your environment.
[20:52:31] <%Oreoboy1996> being aware
[20:52:35] <%Oreoboy1996> yes
[20:52:37] <ccrinbama> So as to tune youself into your being in a dream.
[20:52:37] <@RareCola> Nono ccrinbama
[20:52:39] <ccrinbama> And induce an RC.
[20:52:45] <@RareCola> That's what I call world-awareness, ccrinbama
[20:52:53] <@RareCola> It's important, but I'd say self-awareness is more so
[20:52:59] <%Oreoboy1996> generally be aware of everything
[20:53:10] <ccrinbama> Right, Oreo, but those are two different focuses.
[20:53:25] <ccrinbama> If you never have reason to question your environment because you construct it, you only need really focus on yourself.
[20:53:26] <ccrinbama> Right?
[20:54:03] <%Oreoboy1996> you constructed yourself though didn't you?
[20:54:15] <ccrinbama> Right, that's self.
[20:54:20] <@OpheliaBlue> oh are we talking schemas now?
[20:54:24] <%Oreoboy1996> i really have know idea where this conversation went
[20:54:27] <ccrinbama> Hah
[20:54:33] <ccrinbama> I just hear awareness tossed around a lot.
[20:54:49] <ccrinbama> And it seemed like a multi-faceted concept, and I asked what people meant by it.
[20:54:52] <%Oreoboy1996> well awareness is essentially the definition of lucidity
[20:54:52] <ccrinbama> Specifically.
[20:54:59] <%Oreoboy1996> so that's why we use it so much
[20:55:34] <ccrinbama> I understand that, I'm just saying, in relation to using it as a gauge for inducing your realization that the environment your in is abnormal to make you carry out an RC, it's pretty irrelevant for WILDers.
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[20:55:46] <ccrinbama> Dunno, that's how it seemed to be used the most.
[20:55:51] <ccrinbama> But I never asked until now, so I didn't know.
[20:56:00] <ccrinbama> you're*
[20:56:29] <@RareCola> Check out this, ccrinbama: http://www.dreamviews.com/f156/wild-...p-part-131815/
[20:56:36] <@RareCola> That's the type of awareness that's good for WILDers
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[20:57:29] <ccrinbama> So like a narrative awareness, then.
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[20:57:44] <Burke> there we go
[20:57:49] <%Oreoboy1996> i think we should extend class a bit since some people had trouble getting in
[20:57:55] <eMCLucid> Hey all, sorry I'm late!
[20:57:59] <@Caenis> Kind of, yeah. Though that sort of awareness, the RRC, is good for any lucid dreamer I think.
[20:58:05] <@Caenis> Hello eMCLucid and Burke!
[20:58:17] <Burke> hi
[20:58:20] <@Caenis> Yeah, that's a good idea Oreoboy.
[20:58:27] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really know much about the different kinds of awareness
[20:58:36] <%Oreoboy1996> so i just try to be aware in every possible way i guess
[20:58:56] <@RareCola> I'll just copy and paste this again:
[20:58:57] <Banned^> !back wish some crisps
[20:58:58] <ccrinbama> It would make sense that dreamers who incorporate different induction tefchniques would focus more intently on specific types of awareness, in my mind.
[20:59:00] <@RareCola> Just for future reference guys: If you want to join when a class is in session, you have to type "/knock irc://irc.dreamviews.com/#DVA let me in" or any other phrase after it, you need a "reason" for knocking.
[20:59:01] <Banned^> *with DAMMIT
[20:59:02] <ccrinbama> Not to say they should ignore the rest.
[20:59:08] <@RareCola> fuck, copy and paste fail
[20:59:13] <@RareCola> i mean "/knock #DVA let me in"
[20:59:17] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaaa
[20:59:27] <Banned^> let me test it out
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[20:59:47] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I haven't been getting any knocks or PMs, so I assume they're all coming to you RareCola?
[20:59:49] <eMCLucid> Ohh alright I was just hitting (/knock #DVA)
[20:59:57] <%Oreoboy1996> ccrinbama: well i guess me trying to be aware in every possible way is still fitting then
[21:00:02] <%Oreoboy1996> because i use a bunch of techniques
[21:00:07] <ccrinbama> That it does.
[21:00:11] <ccrinbama> That it is, rather.
[21:00:12] <@RareCola> I've just been inviting people
[21:00:12] *kb5.keebali.com* User Banned^ is KNOCKing on #DVA (Let me in)
[21:00:17] <@RareCola> There we go
[21:00:17] <@Caenis> Yeah, I haven't been seeing the knocks either. o.o
[21:00:18] <ccrinbama> There we go.
[21:00:21] <ccrinbama> It gets posted to the universal terminal.
[21:00:23] *kb5.keebali.com* *** RareCola invited Banned^ into the channel
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[21:00:30] <Banned^> works
[21:01:05] <@OpheliaBlue> ooo maybe because it's RareCola who set the +i ?
[21:01:10] <ccrinbama> Something has definitely been up with my sleep lately because I sleep through my alarms, which I've never done my entire life.
[21:01:44] <ccrinbama> !brb
[21:01:45] ccrinbama [[email protected]] is now known as ccrinbama|BRB
[21:02:00] <Banned^> So yea I wanna have recall
[21:02:58] <@Caenis> Give this new sleep schedule of yours a few more nights Dave.
[21:03:00] <eMCLucid> If we're still discussing sleep cycles, I've been having lucids recently that are almost exclusively in my very last sleep cycle, I seem to gain quite a bit of awareness in that one, especially if I got a lot of sleep
[21:03:14] <@OpheliaBlue> ok gonna go log chat
[21:03:16] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
[21:03:17] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away

Tuesday, July 31, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:59:46] <@RareCola> hey all
[19:59:59] <Banned> hi all
[20:00:29] <Banned> Im at the hospital Im glad they have wifi
[20:00:39] <Pastelpeach> Hi
[20:00:45] <Pastelpeach>
[20:00:48] <%Oreoboy1996> you having fun?
[20:00:51] <Pastelpeach> what happen?
[20:00:52] <Banned> hi Pastelpeach
[20:00:59] <Banned> oh my mom is in tje ER
[20:01:12] <Banned> high fever for no reason :/
[20:01:14] <@OpheliaBlue> hey guys!
[20:01:22] <Banned> hi OpheliaBlue
[20:01:40] <Pastelpeach> hey
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[20:01:47] <Pastelpeach> i hope she gets better
[20:01:57] <Banned> thx
[20:02:00] <@realdealmagic|Away> Hi all
[20:02:05] <Banned> hullo
[20:02:08] <Vengeance> Hello
[20:02:29] <Pastelpeach> hi
[20:02:31] <@OpheliaBlue> so I have a topic for tonight, for at least part of the class
[20:02:32] <@RareCola> Oh no Dave!
[20:02:34] <@RareCola> Hope she's okay
[20:02:44] <Banned> Nah shell be ok Im sure
[20:03:03] <@OpheliaBlue> oh dang
[20:03:11] <Banned> Luckly it isnt crowded
[20:04:01] <@RareCola> So what's our topic for tonight
[20:04:04] OldSparta|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OldSparta
[20:04:34] <@OpheliaBlue> Well for those of you who have completed a TOTM in the past, you should be able to view the Lucid Task CLub thread, correct?
[20:04:45] <@RareCola> Yep
[20:04:46] <@OpheliaBlue> subforum* rather
[20:04:55] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah
[20:05:02] <@OpheliaBlue> for those who may not have noticed: http://www.dreamviews.com/f42/
[20:05:03] <%Oreoboy1996> i forgot to suggest something for next month...
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[20:05:18] <%Oreoboy1996> time to think of a last minute suggestion
[20:05:20] <@OpheliaBlue> for those of you who can't view it, it's basically a place to list ideas for the next month's TOTM
[20:05:33] <@OpheliaBlue> so yeah, that was my idea, what are some ideas
[20:05:50] <@RareCola> I posted one idea, not that great, thogh
[20:05:54] <@OpheliaBlue> I can always pick my own or pick from that forum, but I like to hear fresh ideas too
[20:05:54] <@RareCola> +u
[20:06:12] <%Oreoboy1996> actually i don't really have any suggestions
[20:06:22] <@realdealmagic|Away> Ask your subconscious what your greatest fear is.
[20:06:25] <@realdealmagic|Away> !here
[20:06:26] realdealmagic|Away [[email protected]] is now known as realdealmagic
[20:06:32] <@OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic!
[20:06:40] <@realdealmagic> Hey
[20:06:45] <Pastelpeach> that idea sounds like fun!
[20:06:48] <Vengeance> Change the weather
[20:06:49] <@OpheliaBlue> and that's interesting.. I like the thought of asking any kind of question in an LD
[20:07:02] <@RareCola> "Plant a seed and watch it grow right before your eyes -- what plant grew?"
[20:07:08] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I'm going to make a post just to list these by the way
[20:07:29] <%Oreoboy1996> i still like my old suggestion of catching a shooting star to make a wish
[20:07:42] <@RareCola> People seemed to like the random affect of the potions, so another random one could be interesting
[20:07:54] <@RareCola> hence my plants suggestion
[20:07:57] <@realdealmagic> Could be the seed one, then eat the plant?
[20:08:00] <@realdealmagic> What does it taste like...
[20:08:08] <@RareCola> Ooh that's a good idea
[20:08:19] <%Oreoboy1996> i do like trees...
[20:08:25] <Evolventity> Hey guys
[20:08:27] <@realdealmagic> People always go on about lucid food tasting amazing so why not?
[20:08:29] <@realdealmagic> Hey Evo
[20:08:30] <Evolventity> How are you guys!
[20:08:38] <Vengeance> Hi Evo
[20:08:40] <@OpheliaBlue> we're good, you?
[20:08:47] <@RareCola> lucid food tasting is great
[20:08:51] <Evolventity> Fine!
[20:08:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i will grow more elemental trees!
[20:09:06] <%Oreoboy1996> elemental ents >.>
[20:09:07] <@RareCola> I was saying to Lisa tonight that I'm noticing more and more than dream food tastes like nothing in real life
[20:09:13] <Seroquel> Hi james
[20:09:17] <Evolventity>
[20:09:21] <@OpheliaBlue> wait, RareCola, was the plant one in quotes because it was someone else's idea? I didn't see it right off the bat
[20:09:25] <Seroquel> heart
[20:09:30] <@realdealmagic> "Master a new super power"?
[20:09:38] <Evolventity> penguin
[20:09:39] <@RareCola> No, my idea, Lisa
[20:09:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i like that one realdealmagic
[20:09:46] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok
[20:10:06] <%Oreoboy1996> it would give a broader range of things to do
[20:10:13] <%Oreoboy1996> and would help people become better at dream control
[20:10:21] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, inspire people to do something new, and give people new ideas with what to do as well.
[20:10:31] <@realdealmagic> Since they could take inspiration from others' ideas.
[20:10:37] <@OpheliaBlue> ok cool I'll add those together then
[20:10:52] <%Oreoboy1996> i need a new super power to add to my list
[20:11:09] <@RareCola> Master a new super power is a bit vague though, I feel
[20:11:23] <%Oreoboy1996> well i liked it because it's vague
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[20:11:46] <@OpheliaBlue> hey dave
[20:11:47] <@realdealmagic> It gives a lot of scope for people to choose what they want to do. Will give some inspiration for others as well
[20:11:50] <Banned> tablet froze....
[20:11:56] <@OpheliaBlue> naughty tablet
[20:12:00] <@realdealmagic> I hate frozen tablet. S'all cold and such.
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[20:12:09] <@OpheliaBlue> hey fennecgirl!
[20:12:10] <%Oreoboy1996> hello fennecgirl and Caenis
[20:12:11] <Banned> hey guys
[20:12:13] <fennecgirl> hi
[20:12:14] <@Caenis> Hello all, sorry I'm late.
[20:12:15] <@OpheliaBlue> and Caenis w00t
[20:12:15] <@RareCola> Hey Dave, fennecgirl, Caenis
[20:12:17] <fennecgirl> sorryI'm late again
[20:12:22] <@realdealmagic> Hey all
[20:12:29] <@realdealmagic> Don't worry about it fennecgirl
[20:12:34] <@OpheliaBlue> no worries, glad you guys could make it
[20:12:35] RareCola [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Current Topic: August Task of the Month Ideas"
[20:12:46] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks Jason
[20:12:49] <Banned> damn tablet frozd....
[20:13:13] RareCola [[email protected]] has set channel mode +i
[20:13:18] <Banned> cool topic
[20:13:22] <@OpheliaBlue> and once again
[20:13:24] <fennecgirl> yup
[20:13:39] <@RareCola> Yea we have a thread for task of the month ideas, but there's not too many posts at the moment
[20:13:53] <@RareCola> we're making a collaborative effort to come up with new ideas and Lisa will post them in the thread herself
[20:14:00] <Banned> Lisa
[20:14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> Dave
[20:14:25] <Banned> Why does he get to call you lisa
[20:14:32] <@OpheliaBlue> Why do I get to call yuo Dave?
[20:14:46] <Banned> Cuz that was my nick
[20:14:50] <Banned> becides
[20:14:57] <@OpheliaBlue> Well I used to be LisaBlue
[20:14:57] <Banned> dave isnt my real name
[20:14:58] <%Oreoboy1996> you can call her lisa if you want...
[20:15:06] <@realdealmagic> Only if you really want to though.
[20:15:07] <Banned> oh well
[20:15:08] <Seroquel> Banned's name is josh lol
[20:15:19] <Banned> Why is sero here?
[20:15:20] <@OpheliaBlue> well Lisa isn't my real name either, so what's the point
[20:15:27] <Banned> Hmmmmm
[20:15:31] <Seroquel> That's rude banned.
[20:15:33] <@OpheliaBlue> Seroquel is here to observe class.
[20:15:35] <Banned> damn logic!!!
[20:15:39] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:15:43] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, TOTM ideas?
[20:15:51] <%Oreoboy1996> meet the sandman
[20:15:52] <@Caenis> Hmmmm. For TOTM, how about seeing heaven?
[20:15:53] <Banned> Have a lucid dream
[20:16:01] <@Caenis> Heaven or hell.
[20:16:02] <@RareCola> Meeting the sandman is an awesome idea
[20:16:08] <@OpheliaBlue> oh dang
[20:16:10] <%Oreoboy1996> hell would be fun
[20:16:24] *kb5.keebali.com* *** realdealmagic invited Alucinor^XIII into the channel
[20:16:32] <Banned> keep up good sleep sched
[20:16:49] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned: the task of the month is focused on doing things inside a lucid dream
[20:16:57] <Banned> oh
[20:17:00] <Banned> totm?
[20:17:01] <@RareCola> Haha
[20:17:06] <%Oreoboy1996> yes totm
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[20:17:17] <@OpheliaBlue> welcome Alucinor^XIII
[20:17:18] <Banned> I thougtwe were talkingabout something else
[20:17:27] <Alucinor^XIII> Hi there. =]
[20:17:31] <@realdealmagic> TOTM = Task of the Month
[20:17:33] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Alucinor^XIII
[20:17:36] <@Caenis> Hey Alucinor^XIII
[20:17:37] <@RareCola> Welcome
[20:17:41] <Alucinor^XIII> DAnke
[20:17:46] <@OpheliaBlue> we need more advanced ideas, like growing the plant and eating it could qualify
[20:18:02] <%Oreoboy1996> catching a shooting star might be advanced >.>
[20:18:06] <Banned> slaughter a pig and make bacon from it
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[20:18:13] <%Oreoboy1996> actually catching a shooting star might hurt
[20:18:21] <@OpheliaBlue> I may post the alien one again at a future time, simply because Oreoboy1996 was the only one to complete it
[20:18:27] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned: how about something less gorey?
[20:18:29] <@realdealmagic> Haha
[20:18:36] <Banned> thats not gorey
[20:18:38] <@realdealmagic> And less boring - who doesn't see bacon every day?
[20:18:42] <Banned> its our way of life
[20:18:45] <@OpheliaBlue> lmfao realdealmagic
[20:18:52] <Banned> Me
[20:18:54] <@OpheliaBlue> well who wants our way of life as a TOTM
[20:19:05] <Banned> I see it 99%of days
[20:19:08] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, we lucid so we don't have to be bound by our way of life...
[20:19:13] <@realdealmagic> Anyhoo.
[20:19:15] <Banned> true
[20:19:17] <fennecgirl> If it's possible, how about tetrachromacy
[20:19:17] <@Caenis> I like the idea of reincarnating into something else, but I'm not sure it's nice to tell people to die in a LD and try to reincarnate.
[20:19:22] <@realdealmagic> Join a coven of witches and run away when they try to sacrifice you?
[20:19:26] <Banned> indoctrinate dcs
[20:19:27] <fennecgirl> which is basically being able to see more colours than normal
[20:19:27] <Vengeance> OpheliaBlue how about changing the weather or wouldn't that work?
[20:19:29] <fennecgirl> Tetrachromacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[20:19:32] <%Oreoboy1996> Caenis: i'm not done with this dream life yet D:
[20:19:37] <Alucinor^XIII> Has there been a task regarding summoning a representation of your subconscious and asking it questions?
[20:19:49] <Alucinor^XIII> Or how about visit a witch in a forest hut who tells you fortunes/the future? :O
[20:19:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I like that one Vengeance, I included it in the list of possibilities for August
[20:20:05] <@RareCola> Ooo I like visiting a witch, Alucinor^XIII
[20:20:22] <@realdealmagic> How about, create your very own little island in space.
[20:20:25] <Vengeance> Alrighty thanks, I gotta get back to sleep but I will read the logs
[20:20:27] <@RareCola> though forest hut is somewhat unnecessary as a pre-requisite
[20:20:27] <@realdealmagic> Your own little paradise.
[20:20:27] <Banned> nice goals and occomplishing the rare, btw
[20:20:29] <%Oreoboy1996> visiting a witch might be interesting, but i don't care much about my fortunes
[20:20:32] <Alucinor^XIII> True
[20:20:34] <Vengeance> !asleep
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[20:20:41] <fennecgirl> I feel like my suggestion just went totally unnoticed
[20:20:44] <Banned> pardon my typing in in a hospital on a touch screen
[20:20:46] <Alucinor^XIII> Well, it'd be cool to see what she might have to say.
[20:20:57] <@realdealmagic> I like your fennecgirl
[20:21:00] <@OpheliaBlue> lol fennecgirl sorry, chat moved a bit fast
[20:21:00] <@RareCola> Sorry fennecgirl, chat goes a bit fast sometimes
[20:21:02] <@Caenis> In a hospital Banned?
[20:21:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll scroll up
[20:21:08] <@realdealmagic> yours*
[20:21:12] <@RareCola> It's interesting, fennecgirl
[20:21:20] <@RareCola> Not too sure how it'd work though
[20:21:27] <@realdealmagic> Basically seeing outside the spectrum of light that we're bound to in waking life.
[20:21:33] <fennecgirl> Exactly
[20:21:34] <Banned> meh my mom is in the ER for a random fever and shit, Caenis
[20:21:43] <@OpheliaBlue> oh dang
[20:21:43] <@Caenis> That sucks man. =/
[20:21:46] <@RareCola> random shitting is bad
[20:21:49] <Banned> yea
[20:21:51] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be probably a TOTY
[20:21:55] <@realdealmagic> I think that'd be an interesting one - see what your brain comes up with.
[20:22:07] <Alucinor^XIII> Yeah it would.
[20:22:17] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll put it in there and see what Mancon thinks
[20:22:23] <Banned> basic task= die
[20:22:29] <fennecgirl> If I remember right, tetrachromats IWL can see 100 million colours, as opposed to the 1 million of people with normal vision... I think
[20:22:30] <@OpheliaBlue> I can't even imagine a 4ht primary color!
[20:22:41] <Banned> advanced task = be a serial killer
[20:22:57] <fennecgirl> Yeah, I think it'd be interesting just to see how it gets interpreted in dreams
[20:23:06] <Pastelpeach> i like banned's idea
[20:23:09] <@RareCola> 10 million in normal people, fennecgirl
[20:23:16] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't >.>
[20:23:21] <fennecgirl> oh
[20:23:25] <fennecgirl> well, I was close, at least
[20:23:27] <@OpheliaBlue> so the task would be "View your wold in tetrochromacy" fennecgirl?
[20:23:33] <fennecgirl> possibly
[20:23:58] <@realdealmagic> Transform yourself into a lion and live as one of the pride for a dream?
[20:24:11] <@OpheliaBlue> Banned: serial killer would be pretty advanced.. probably not appropriate for the thread. I dunno, RareCola, Caenis and Oreoboy1996, can I get a ruling on this one?
[20:24:28] <%Oreoboy1996> Qu"-Transform into an animal and experience their world"
[20:24:38] <@RareCola> I don't think going around killing people is really that interesting for a TOTM
[20:24:40] <@Caenis> It's a really interesting idea, but I'm not sure if others might get offended by it.
[20:24:41] <@RareCola> sorry Dave
[20:24:57] <@realdealmagic> I don't think it'd be that good an idea either. Not the best of goals in life - KILL EM ALL.
[20:24:57] <Banned> Im sure they would
[20:25:02] <@realdealmagic> Gives a bad vibe.
[20:25:04] <fennecgirl> kill a DC, maybe, but I think being a serial killer would be a bit much
[20:25:05] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: i don't like it because most people probably aren't up for mindless masacre
[20:25:14] <Banned> Well
[20:25:14] <%Oreoboy1996> and i can't believe he's serious about it...
[20:25:15] <Alucinor^XIII> Explore a underground cavern?
[20:25:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I meant realdealmagic too in that ruling
[20:25:23] <Banned> yea I agree
[20:25:24] <Alucinor^XIII> Or tomb/ruin
[20:25:25] <@realdealmagic> It's fine, I included myself for fun's sake.
[20:25:36] <@OpheliaBlue>
[20:25:41] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, I think it's a bit inappropriate as well.
[20:25:53] <fennecgirl> I also have "change history" on my to-do list
[20:25:53] <Banned> iappropriate for noobz
[20:26:01] <Alucinor^XIII> Kick hitlers ass?
[20:26:02] <Alucinor^XIII>
[20:26:11] <@realdealmagic> How about going back in time and creating a paradox? Like killing your past self.
[20:26:13] <%Oreoboy1996> Alucinor^XIII: already did that
[20:26:16] <@Caenis> Oh, how about visiting Atlantis and describe what you find there?
[20:26:17] <Alucinor^XIII> Lol
[20:26:19] <%Oreoboy1996> although it was "ninja hitler"
[20:26:19] <fennecgirl> like, go back in time and change some major event, then come back to the alternate present and seeing what it's like
[20:26:24] <%Oreoboy1996> even more bad ass
[20:26:31] <@OpheliaBlue> haha ok these are all great
[20:26:32] <Alucinor^XIII> Nice.
[20:26:33] <@OpheliaBlue> hold up
[20:26:35] <@RareCola> "Split an everyday object into atoms and reform it into something new. What did you form it in to?"
[20:26:40] <Alucinor^XIII> Oh! I know! Create the Fing-longer
[20:26:45] <fennecgirl> that sounds AWESOME
[20:26:48] <Alucinor^XIII> (random futurama reference)
[20:27:02] <@realdealmagic> Transformation of items would be good. Good way to practice dream control.
[20:27:04] <%Oreoboy1996> RareCola: in layman's terms, turn an object into something else?
[20:27:11] <Banned> We could be politically correct
[20:27:31] <fennecgirl> !brb
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[20:27:35] <@realdealmagic> "Set up your own show, in which you disintegrate in front of a crowd of DCs. How did they react?"
[20:27:37] <@RareCola> I guess Oreo, I was aiming more for the splitting an object into atoms though. People could just morph it otherwise
[20:27:44] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Oreoboy1996 NOT the same
[20:27:45] <Banned> and say the advanced task would be create a renewable energy source
[20:27:51] <%Oreoboy1996> sure it is the same
[20:28:10] <@OpheliaBlue> the result is, but you want to get in there and mess with the electrons
[20:28:14] <@Caenis> To bounce off of realdealmagic's idea: be a guest on a TV show.
[20:28:22] <@OpheliaBlue> like a solar system but smaller
[20:28:27] <@RareCola> I like that realdealmagic -- I think it would cause a lot of waking up though, removing your dream body from existence.
[20:28:44] <Alucinor^XIII> Visit the earth during the time of dinosaurs
[20:28:48] <@realdealmagic> Hmm. Maybe that could be advanced then? Takes a lot of control not to wake up when you do that...
[20:29:08] <Banned> yea caenis
[20:29:08] <@realdealmagic> "Relive the life of your favourite video game character."
[20:29:11] <@OpheliaBlue> lol like when Bilbo Baggins vanished
[20:29:12] <@RareCola> I'd like it if we avoided the issue with the current TOTM where nobody completed it though
[20:29:16] <@RareCola> well besides Oreo
[20:29:21] <@OpheliaBlue> I was so Mario in a nonlucid before
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[20:29:38] <@Caenis> I would have tried it if I could have, the advanced TOTM looked so fun.
[20:29:43] <Banned> so dream sex wakes me up it seems
[20:29:45] <%Oreoboy1996> kingpin wants in
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[20:29:51] <fennecgirl> realdealmagic, I like your idea
[20:29:53] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah he got him
[20:29:57] <@Caenis> Banned: That's not uncommon.
[20:29:58] <@OpheliaBlue> hi kingpin72
[20:30:02] <kingpin72> hey
[20:30:04] <@Caenis> Hey kingpin72.
[20:30:05] <Banned> should have dobe a dield
[20:30:05] <@RareCola> hey kingpin72 
[20:30:07] <Alucinor^XIII> That is a fun idea
[20:30:08] <@realdealmagic> Hi kingpin72.
[20:30:12] <Alucinor^XIII> Metal Gear Solid: here I come
[20:30:19] <Alucinor^XIII> SNAAAAAAAKE
[20:30:20] <%Oreoboy1996> i would be spyro
[20:30:26] <@realdealmagic> Haha Oreo
[20:30:28] <%Oreoboy1996> which wouldn't be very different...
[20:30:36] <Alucinor^XIII> Crash Bandicoot
[20:30:38] <Alucinor^XIII> Or Geck
[20:30:39] <fennecgirl> I'd be Link xD
[20:30:39] <Alucinor^XIII> lol
[20:30:50] <kingpin72> what are you guys talking about
[20:30:56] <@realdealmagic> I'd have to be Gordon Freeman.
[20:30:59] <@RareCola> August Task of the Month ideas
[20:31:02] <Banned> august is hot
[20:31:05] <%Oreoboy1996> Current Topic: August Task of the Month Ideas
[20:31:05] <kingpin72> oh
[20:31:12] <Alucinor^XIII> Gordon Freeman = ?
[20:31:14] <Banned> maybe create an ocean in a desert
[20:31:19] <Alucinor^XIII> Sounds familiar
[20:31:21] <@realdealmagic> Really? Get some culture >_>
[20:31:23] <@realdealmagic> Half Life 2
[20:31:25] <@RareCola> I like that Dave
[20:31:39] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned: might be a good one
[20:31:49] <@realdealmagic> Following from that - Part it, like Moses.
[20:31:52] <@RareCola> How about "Move the moon to affect the tide of the ocean."
[20:31:57] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, and find life in that ocean
[20:32:04] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[20:32:07] <fennecgirl> Yeah, that sounds cool
[20:32:08] <@OpheliaBlue> either ocean
[20:32:38] <fennecgirl> I just realized I should be adding some of these ideas to my to-do list xD
[20:32:45] <fennecgirl> I always like new ideas
[20:32:47] <Alucinor^XIII> You should visit the Witch
[20:32:55] <Alucinor^XIII> I'm trying to do that tonight/next Lucid
[20:32:59] <Banned> fennecgirl thx btw
[20:33:09] <%Oreoboy1996> if i visit the witch she will probably try to murder me
[20:33:12] <fennecgirl> oh, you're welcome
[20:33:32] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I'm submitting the ideas now
[20:33:34] <@RareCola> Yea, these ideas are great for dream inspiration
[20:33:39] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> an interesting task for the advanced would be to use the portal gun to get to the moon
[20:33:40] <@RareCola> We've got a lot of good ones!
[20:33:46] <@realdealmagic> Oh my god. That.
[20:33:46] <fennecgirl> YES
[20:33:48] <@realdealmagic> THAT.
[20:33:51] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> lol
[20:33:53] <@Caenis> Haha, that's a good idea AintNuttinButAGThangWave.
[20:33:55] <@RareCola> Haha, gotta love Portal
[20:33:57] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave>
[20:34:03] <@realdealmagic> Feel de love.
[20:34:04] <Alucinor^XIII> TOTM: Throw the Ring of Power into Mordor
[20:34:08] <@OpheliaBlue> what's a portal gun AintNuttinButAGThangWave
[20:34:10] <Alucinor^XIII> Oooh
[20:34:12] <Alucinor^XIII> Portal Gun is cool
[20:34:14] <Alucinor^XIII> :O
[20:34:21] <%Oreoboy1996> but what if i like the ring? D:
[20:34:22] <fennecgirl> It's from the game Portal
[20:34:26] <@OpheliaBlue> ah
[20:34:30] <fennecgirl> it shoots portals
[20:34:35] <fennecgirl> you go in one portal, you come out the other
[20:34:35] <@RareCola> A Portal gun is from the game "Portal" -- you can create portals by shooting it at specific locations, and then you can walk through these portals to transport yourself between locations.
[20:34:36] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> OpheliaBlue: you really need to play portal to know - I really can't tell you in less than 5000 words what it's all about
[20:34:36] <Alucinor^XIII> Create the Portal Loop
[20:34:39] <Alucinor^XIII> In a dream
[20:34:40] <@realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue: Portal: No Escape (Live Action Short Film by Dan Trachtenberg) - YouTube
[20:34:40] <Alucinor^XIII> lol
[20:34:43] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> oh, RareCola did it
[20:34:53] <%Oreoboy1996> i like Alucinor^XIII's idea with the portal gun more
[20:34:58] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> me too
[20:35:02] <%Oreoboy1996> portal loop would be fun in a dream
[20:35:04] OpheliaBlue doesn't play video games
[20:35:09] <@realdealmagic> Skip to 3:00.
[20:35:10] <Banned> me neither
[20:35:11] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> maybe leave it open to people what to do with the portal gun?
[20:35:11] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[20:35:24] <@realdealmagic> Maybe get them to build their own?
[20:35:26] <Alucinor^XIII> Aye, probably a good idea AintNuttinButAGThangWave
[20:35:27] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> lol
[20:35:27] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll tell you what I'm gonna do with a protal gun Dave
[20:35:28] <@RareCola> It'd be an issue for people who don't know what a Portal Gun is though
[20:35:29] <@OpheliaBlue>
[20:35:32] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't need a gun to make portals >.>
[20:35:32] <Alucinor^XIII> Just to use the Portal Gun
[20:35:38] <@OpheliaBlue> David* I meant
[20:35:48] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> (brb)
[20:36:00] <Banned> isnt he davey
[20:36:01] <@realdealmagic> that's a good point RareCola
[20:36:04] <Banned> whos davey
[20:36:11] <@realdealmagic> ShockWave
[20:36:11] <@Caenis> All you need to do is say "make a portal to the moon." You can cut out the portal gun part for the people who wouldn't understand the reference.
[20:36:25] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[20:36:31] <Alucinor^XIII> Its not that big of a leap to figure out what aportal gun is >_> *cough*
[20:36:34] <@realdealmagic> You could say "Make a portal to the moon. Use the portal gun for brownie points."
[20:36:34] <fennecgirl> That works, too. Then, the portal gun is optional. :3
[20:36:36] <Alucinor^XIII> But aye, true enough
[20:37:06] <Alucinor^XIII> Find where Elvis has been hiding
[20:37:20] <%Oreoboy1996> he's dead
[20:37:22] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[20:37:23] <%Oreoboy1996> get over it
[20:37:24] <Banned> lol
[20:37:25] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[20:37:26] <Alucinor^XIII> :F
[20:37:28] <Banned> no hes hiding
[20:37:38] <@realdealmagic> Kill Elvis.
[20:37:40] <@realdealmagic> Again.
[20:37:41] <Alucinor^XIII> "Elvis isn't dead, he just went home/"
[20:37:47] <Alucinor^XIII> MIB task
[20:37:49] <Banned> no thats cruel
[20:37:52] <@realdealmagic> Elvis isn't dead, cos I heard him on the radio.
[20:37:57] <Banned> ^
[20:37:58] <%Oreoboy1996>
[20:38:12] <@realdealmagic> Song reference.
[20:38:17] <@OpheliaBlue> gotta send a real quick PM to Mancon about these ideas
[20:38:18] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
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[20:39:07] <Banned> where is kraom
[20:39:09] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> and I'm back
[20:39:37] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> [02:36:23] <@Caenis> All you need to do is say "make a portal to the moon."
[20:39:39] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> very true
[20:39:58] <@Caenis> Banned: He's on vacation. He'll be gone for another week or two.
[20:40:04] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> that leaves it open to interpretation, so then you could make a minecraft-style portal there too
[20:40:05] <Banned> I wanna git lucid
[20:40:31] <@realdealmagic> Ooh. Go to the minecraft nether.
[20:40:33] <@realdealmagic> That would be fun.
[20:40:36] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> lol
[20:40:42] <Banned> Oreoboy1996
[20:40:49] <Banned> your lucid hat didnt work
[20:40:54] <Banned> I demand a refund
[20:40:57] <%Oreoboy1996> that's because you ate it
[20:41:01] <@RareCola> haha
[20:41:09] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: i haven't been to the nether yet
[20:41:10] <Banned> youre not supposed to eat it?
[20:41:19] <@realdealmagic> Pff. Noob.
[20:41:32] <%Oreoboy1996> probably full of ice and stuff
[20:41:34] <fennecgirl> I've only been to the nether in creative... and multiplayer
[20:41:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i like ice
[20:41:45] <Banned> Brah I want some food
[20:41:48] <Banned> Im hungry
[20:42:14] <Banned> good lord there are alot of morbidly obese people around
[20:42:24] <%Oreoboy1996>
[20:42:33] <Banned> in this waiting room
[20:42:45] <Banned> 4/5 people are fag
[20:42:48] <Banned> *fag
[20:42:48] <@Caenis> That's good to know Dave.
[20:42:53] <Banned> *fat
[20:42:59] <Banned> damn tablet
[20:42:59] <%Oreoboy1996>
[20:43:01] <@realdealmagic> Good to know peoples' sexuali- Ooooohhh.
[20:43:07] <&AintNuttinButAGThangWave> haha
[20:43:20] <@RareCola> So, me and Ophelia were working on updating the lessons today. Lesson 1 is complete if anyone wants to check it out, of course links to lessons that have yet to be changed are false information at the moment, but we'll fix that soon: http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/begin...sson-i-130468/
[20:43:21] <Banned> no autocorrect
[20:43:27] <@RareCola> Lots more interactive homework and such
[20:43:30] <@RareCola> and generally cleaner
[20:43:33] <Banned> kewl
[20:43:42] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[20:43:50] <Banned> wb
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[20:44:15] <Banned> So Caenis I dont remember faces in dreams
[20:44:20] <Banned> but she was blond
[20:44:23] <Banned> e
[20:44:30] <Banned> and yvonne is blonde
[20:44:33] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't think most people remember faces in detail
[20:44:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I have a hard time with faces in dreams too
[20:44:38] <%Oreoboy1996> in dreams anyways
[20:44:47] <fennecgirl> oh, I have that problem too
[20:44:50] <@OpheliaBlue> even my own faces are weird in the mirror in my lucids
[20:44:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i can kind of remember how my dream guides look though
[20:44:59] <Alucinor^XIII> Mine are fairly detailed
[20:45:01] <@Caenis> I don't think that counts, Dave. You didn't recognize her as Yvonne.
[20:45:07] <Banned> hmmm
[20:45:21] <fennecgirl> I've been trying to pay more attention to people's faces (and appearances in general) both IRL and in pictures
[20:45:22] <Banned> well I nees to look at her some more
[20:45:30] <Banned> lol
[20:45:33] <fennecgirl> I think I'm getting a little better at recalling what DCs look like
[20:45:50] <%Oreoboy1996> i never pay attention to people's faces
[20:45:54] <Banned> people you dont know?
[20:45:56] <Banned> fennecgirl
[20:45:57] <Alucinor^XIII> The main DCs in my dreams have pretty stable faces.
[20:46:05] <Alucinor^XIII> Side ones, definitely not so much
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[20:46:12] <Banned> hey theCambino
[20:46:21] <@realdealmagic> Fucking love music.
[20:46:26] <@realdealmagic> Sorry. Continue.
[20:46:30] <fennecgirl> yeah, I can recognize people I know, but I usually forget what random DCs look like by the time I wake up
[20:46:39] <Banned> Im doing your favorite, theCambino
[20:46:40] <theCambino> Banned: Dave
[20:46:44] <Banned> people stalkng
[20:46:51] <Banned> I mean watchong
[20:46:53] <theCambino> Banned: I people stalk?
[20:46:57] <@OpheliaBlue> hey theCambino! I'm so sorry, I thought I had all the intro students added
[20:46:59] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I know why
[20:47:10] <@OpheliaBlue> he never actually joined the class right?
[20:47:19] <theCambino> OpheliaBlue: because I'm not actually in the class. :X
[20:47:27] <theCambino> OpheliaBlue: no worries.
[20:47:29] <Banned> I see said the blind man
[20:47:29] <Alucinor^XIII> Oooh, I just thought of a cool TOTM
[20:47:32] <Alucinor^XIII> Drawing?
[20:47:35] <Alucinor^XIII> or painting
[20:47:37] <@OpheliaBlue> lol I can fix that now if you want to be added whenever I send the mass PM
[20:47:40] <@OpheliaBlue> if you want?
[20:47:42] <Alucinor^XIII> Maybe make it come to life as advanced
[20:47:43] <Banned> I cant write in dreamz
[20:48:11] <theCambino> OpheliaBlue: be sent mass messages? ...sure.
[20:48:18] <Banned> spam
[20:48:20] <Alucinor^XIII> Hmm.. I've never tried to write.
[20:48:22] <Banned> its horrible
[20:48:25] <@OpheliaBlue> haha yeah I'll spam you
[20:48:26] <Alucinor^XIII> I've been meaning to try reading a book
[20:48:28] <Banned> ly helpful
[20:48:29] <theCambino> Banned: XD
[20:48:31] <@OpheliaBlue> hold a sec
[20:49:03] <Banned> yea so I am in this hosiptal
[20:49:08] <Banned> and everyone os fat
[20:49:08] <@RareCola> !brb
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[20:49:13] <%Oreoboy1996> Alucinor^XIII: you just helped me remember something i wanted to do in my dreams
[20:49:13] <Banned> I dunno wjyhy
[20:49:19] <Banned> so many fat people
[20:49:20] <Alucinor^XIII> Oreoboy1996: Oh? Do tell
[20:49:22] <theCambino> going to hunt down Just Cause 2 videogame... to better incubate flying!
[20:49:23] <theCambino>
[20:49:29] <%Oreoboy1996> i wanted to try to practice drawing in dreams to see if it would improve my real life drawing skills
[20:49:41] <theCambino> Banned: oooooh
[20:49:43] <Alucinor^XIII> Hm.
[20:49:52] <Alucinor^XIII> Certainly possible
[20:49:53] <theCambino> not people stalk, Dave. People watch.
[20:49:56] Exotiraan kind of doubts it, although it could help you with ideas.
[20:49:59] <Banned> oh ok
[20:50:00] <@realdealmagic> That'd be another good one: "Practice a skill in your dream. Are you getting better at it in waking life?"
[20:50:02] <Exotiraan> @ Oreoboy1996
[20:50:04] <fennecgirl> that's a good idea, oreoboy
[20:50:10] <theCambino> I don't stalk
[20:50:11] <theCambino> <_<
[20:50:12] <theCambino> >_>
[20:50:16] <Banned> Dreaming builds confidence I think
[20:50:22] <Exotiraan> In dreams, you don't get actual muscle memory.
[20:50:37] <theCambino> practice CPR
[20:50:46] <Alucinor^XIII> But it might help with visual representation of images
[20:50:51] <fennecgirl> exactly
[20:51:05] <Alucinor^XIII> Which is the other half of the battle in drawing
[20:51:12] <@realdealmagic> You could practice math >_>
[20:51:17] <Alucinor^XIII> D:
[20:51:21] <Alucinor^XIII> Why would I spend a dream on that
[20:51:22] <@realdealmagic> Obviously nobody ever would, but you COULD.
[20:51:22] <Alucinor^XIII> Ew
[20:51:25] <Alucinor^XIII> lol
[20:51:26] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: nope, i can't even count properly in dreams
[20:51:29] <@realdealmagic> I actually love maths.
[20:51:37] <%Oreoboy1996> Alucinor^XIII: i'm very skilled at visualization but i just can't put it on paper
[20:51:41] <@Caenis> I can't count properly in my dreams either.
[20:51:46] <@realdealmagic> In that case, you're stuck with always getting 12 eggs at the supermarket instead of the 6 you wanted.
[20:51:46] <Banned> I lile maths
[20:51:50] <fennecgirl> doing math in dreams could be a good idea if you can actually focus on it
[20:51:50] <theCambino> bonsoir Caenis
[20:51:50] <Banned> but not math
[20:51:52] <fennecgirl> and count properly
[20:51:59] <@Caenis> Something like a language would probably be better to practice in LDs.
[20:52:02] <fennecgirl> I mean, it'd be useful if you have a test or something
[20:52:03] <@Caenis> Evening theCambino
[20:52:04] <Alucinor^XIII> Oreoboy1996: See, I'm not that great at visualization, but I can better visualize as I draw them out
[20:52:06] <@realdealmagic> That'd be good Caenis.
[20:52:08] <Exotiraan> fennecgirl: The problem is, your brain would be probably hella-lying to you.
[20:52:11] <Banned> damn baby crying
[20:52:15] <fennecgirl> true =/
[20:52:16] <Alucinor^XIII> Not that I'm great at drawing, but I'm very good at sketching things out
[20:52:18] <Banned> boring into my skull
[20:52:27] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm not sure I can recall ever counting anything in an LD
[20:52:32] <%Oreoboy1996> Caenis: i don't think so, someone once spoke japanese gibberish to me in a dream and i was like "yeah i understand"
[20:52:37] <theCambino> like Caenis said, I can't wait to practice french with my subconscious!
[20:52:38] <@OpheliaBlue> either successfully or unsuccessfully
[20:53:10] Banned yawns
[20:53:20] <fennecgirl> I remember counting my fingers as an RC. I counted five, and it was really hard to focus on the numbers.
[20:53:30] <Alucinor^XIII> TOTM: Take a dream poop *WARNING: May have dangerous results*
[20:53:33] <fennecgirl> I counted again because my hand didn't look right.... I had six fingers
[20:53:44] <Banned> dream poop lol
[20:54:01] <Banned> Yea true counting in hand rcs
[20:54:04] <Banned> works fine
[20:54:09] <@Caenis> Oreoboy1996: Ha, yeah, that depends. I heard a little bit of Japanese in my dream recently, and it WAS Japanese. I think it depends how much you know, and how easily you can recall it, perhaps.
[20:54:19] <Banned> although I usually dont count
[20:54:28] <Banned> It just looks wrong
[20:54:33] <theCambino> Banned: any results from SSILD?
[20:54:38] <Banned> nope
[20:54:41] <fennecgirl> exactly, my hand just doesn't look right
[20:54:48] <Alucinor^XIII> Has anyone walked through a mirror?
[20:54:54] <fennecgirl> I really want to
[20:54:56] <Banned> But I fixed my sleep sched, theCambino
[20:55:00] <%Oreoboy1996> that was June's task of the month i think Alucinor^XIII
[20:55:04] <theCambino> Banned: I think it's your mindset
[20:55:09] <theCambino> Banned: that's a start.
[20:55:09] <Alucinor^XIII> Oh snap
[20:55:11] <@Caenis> Alucinor^XIII: I tried last month, but my dream wasn't very stable.
[20:55:19] <%Oreoboy1996> it was trippy
[20:55:22] <@OpheliaBlue> fennecgirl: sometimes my hands look nice and normal, sometimes they get all wibbly and weird looking
[20:55:33] <Banned> any lucids since we last talked, theCambino
[20:55:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really use the hand rc
[20:55:35] <fennecgirl> I couldn't even keep my fingers straight last time
[20:55:59] <fennecgirl> they'd start to bend and curl over after focusing on them for a second or two
[20:55:59] <@OpheliaBlue> did they spasm uncontrollably like?
[20:56:18] <@realdealmagic> That's enough of an RC on it's own
[20:56:19] <fennecgirl> no, they just curled over, like if I was trying to make a fist
[20:56:26] <Banned> so I watched a video last night about a guy who saw god in his dream
[20:56:28] <Alucinor^XIII> I'm trying to create some consistent dream characters/scences that will reoccur. Hopefully I can create a character that will act as a automatic DS/RC and help be be lucid.
[20:56:32] <fennecgirl> but it felt like they were straight, because that's how I was trying to hold them
[20:56:34] <Banned> anyone seen god?
[20:56:43] <Alucinor^XIII> Maybe I'lla sk the witch to give me a potion that will help me become lucid more often. >>
[20:56:46] <Banned> was he morgan freedman
[20:56:48] <Alucinor^XIII> See if my subconscious takes to the idea
[20:56:51] <theCambino> Banned: nope... I had massive progress and now I am trying to get out of another rut...?
[20:56:53] <fennecgirl> Alucinor: so the CALD technique?
[20:56:57] <%Oreoboy1996> never bothered trying to see a god
[20:56:58] <@Caenis> No, but it sounds like an interesting idea to try Banned.
[20:57:17] <@OpheliaBlue> fennecgirl: so weird.. I know what you mean though. My hands in a lucid a few weeks ago, felt normal, but they kept wiggling all weird. Like a bad TV reception
[20:57:38] <@realdealmagic> I want to try and create a place in my dreams, and go there every time I become lucid. That way my brain will hopefully catch on and take me there at the beginning of dreams and it will make me lucid...
[20:57:40] <Alucinor^XIII> fennecgirl: Ah. Already thought of--not surprising. Know if there have been good results?
[20:57:40] <%Oreoboy1996> Alucinor^XIII: that consistent dreaming thing is what i do
[20:57:56] <Alucinor^XIII> Cool!
[20:58:07] <%Oreoboy1996> i have quite a few recurring dream characters and my dreams work in somewhat of a story arc
[20:58:14] <Banned> had my first FA too this morning
[20:58:15] <Alucinor^XIII> I've been doing a more temporary sort of thing the past couple days. No results yet.
[20:58:19] <fennecgirl> I'm not sure; I haven't heard that much about it. I've tried it but have had no success as of yet.
[20:58:29] <theCambino> Banned: grats
[20:58:33] <Banned> thx
[20:58:38] <Alucinor^XIII> But I've been, everyday, planning a scene out, writing it out in first person, and then sketching scenes out in a sketchbook
[20:58:40] <fennecgirl> I made up my characters while awake, though, so I'm not sure if that lessens the chances
[20:58:49] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't really get it to be a direct continuation of the previous night, but refferences are still made to those previous dreams
[20:59:00] <Alucinor^XIII> Nice... Theres hope yet
[20:59:04] <%Oreoboy1996> Alucinor^XIII: sounds like a good way to incubate
[20:59:05] <theCambino> I saved batman last night from jail...
[20:59:09] <Banned> this kid told me to get out of my bed because he needed to use it :/
[20:59:12] <theCambino> in a non-lucid of course
[20:59:18] <Alucinor^XIII> lol theCambino
[20:59:19] <Banned> wow cool
[20:59:22] <@OpheliaBlue> lol theCambino
[20:59:24] <Banned> batman is awesone
[20:59:27] <Banned> dammit
[20:59:29] <Banned> awesome
[20:59:30] <@Caenis> fennecgirl: If you're talking about the CALD technique, I think you're supposed to create the characters while you're conscious.
[20:59:46] <theCambino> I rescued him twice... it was fairly epic
[20:59:58] <@OpheliaBlue> what is the CALD technique?
[21:00:01] <@Caenis> Seeing them alone could trigger lucidity.
[21:00:10] <Alucinor^XIII> Character Assisted , OpheliaBlue , I assume
[21:00:15] <@Caenis> Yep.
[21:00:20] <fennecgirl> You can, but I think you can also ask a DC while you're lucid to return to another dream and remind you you're dreaming
[21:00:23] <@Caenis> I was just reading about it today. Sounds interesting.
[21:00:25] <%Oreoboy1996> that thing where you get a dream character to tell you you're dreaming?
[21:00:29] <fennecgirl> Yeah, that
[21:00:29] <Alucinor^XIII> Ja
[21:00:39] <theCambino> interesting....
[21:00:43] <@Caenis> fennecgirl: That's true! Either way should work really.
[21:00:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i was just talking about making dreams continue from the previous ones like a story
[21:00:49] <@OpheliaBlue> assisted by a character after you've become lucid? or the random reliability of a nonlucid character?
[21:00:56] <@Caenis> I decided to just make a character because I thought it'd be more fun.
[21:00:58] <theCambino> nonlucid
[21:01:00] <theCambino> OpheliaBlue
[21:01:11] <Banned> sounds almost far fetched
[21:01:25] <theCambino> Banned: it happens as good as a random RC
[21:01:26] <%Oreoboy1996> i tried to do the CALD thing with Chris
[21:01:27] <@Caenis> Yep. The idea is that you ask a DC to tell you when you're dreaming when you enter the dream.
[21:01:28] <Alucinor^XIII> I've read plenty of DJs where they have very consistent, reoccuring characters
[21:01:29] <fennecgirl> Ophelia: You have a character show up in your non-lucids to remind you you're dreaming
[21:01:36] <%Oreoboy1996> had a completely different ending
[21:01:39] <theCambino> what Caenis said.
[21:01:42] <@OpheliaBlue> well it would depend on whether or not your nonlucid DCs were all that reliable or not
[21:01:53] <theCambino> OpheliaBlue: exactly.
[21:01:58] <Alucinor^XIII> Yeah, they're probably gonna be lazing on a couch, smoking weed
[21:02:00] <Alucinor^XIII> And forget
[21:02:01] <@Caenis> Haha, that's true, and whether you can believe them.
[21:02:03] <Alucinor^XIII> Dumbasses. :F
[21:02:12] <theCambino> littlezoe had a thread something similar to CALD... but not in such a direct fashion
[21:02:17] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd bet it would work for the people who have reliable DCs, and not so much for others, butthat's the point of an induction technique
[21:02:28] <@OpheliaBlue> find what works for you, and modify it accordingly
[21:02:31] <Banned> so maybe I should try ssild again
[21:02:34] <fennecgirl> Though you can also interact with your CALD characters in your mind during the day
[21:02:42] <fennecgirl> so you're more likely to dream about them
[21:02:45] <@OpheliaBlue> ok going to log chat now
[21:02:46] <@Caenis> If you don't have reliable DCs, you can also create your own.
[21:02:46] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
[21:02:48] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away

Thursday, August 2nd, 3pm chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[15:59] <%melanieb> I was thinking about REM Rebound earlier because of my early wake up to jack-hammering
[15:59] <%melanieb> And the other day I had a lucid that was triggered by the sluggish movement I had running from a creature
[16:00] <Banned^> yea when I took my two hour nap after being awake for 24 hours
[16:00] <Banned^> I dreamed
[16:00] <Banned^> but
[16:00] <%Oreoboy1996> hello
[16:00] <Banned^> I was so out of it
[16:00] <fennecgirl> I nearly had an LD last night
[16:00] <@RareCola> Xyvoch: Basically, about 10 minutes after class starts the room goes on invite-only and you're not able to join normally with /join #DVA, you will have to request an invite to the room by typing "/knock #DVA let me in" (or whatever choice of words after "/knock #DVA", you just need to put a reason for knocking) -- after that we'll invite you and you should get a message in your "Status" window to join, if not, you can always /join #DVA sho
[16:00] <@RareCola> after knocking, because once you're invited you can join normally.
[16:00] <Banned^> I even put in my headphones to some music
[16:00] <@RareCola> Sorry for the wall
[16:00] <Banned^> WALLL
[16:00] <Banned^> IM AFRAID NOW
[16:00] <@OpheliaBlue> lol thanks RareCola
[16:00] <Banned^> sorry I will try to calm myself down
[16:00] <fennecgirl> I woke up as soon as I started to suspect I might be dreaming
[16:00] <@OpheliaBlue> sometimes walls are necessary
[16:00] <Banned^> for some reason I am excited
[16:00] <%Oreoboy1996> that's common fennecgirl
[16:00] <Xyvoch> ok thank you cola 7
[16:00] <Banned^> so kick me if I get out of hand....
[16:01] <Oceandrop> aw thats sad fennec
[16:01] <fennecgirl> I'm not sure why I woke up, though. I didn't get excited or anything. =/
[16:01] <Banned^> yea that happens to me often
[16:01] <@RareCola> Did you try DEILDing fennecgirl? I find it's really easy after instant-wakeups from DILDs
[16:01] <Banned^> was it late in the morning?
[16:01] <@OpheliaBlue> it is common though, and not always because you get too excited as they say fennecgirl, but it could be just that close to time to wake up anyway
[16:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i think our minds naturally try to go against lucidity >.>
[16:01] <Banned^> Maybe you were just ready to wake up anyway?
[16:01] <fennecgirl> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[16:01] <@OpheliaBlue> lol oreo, I get that feelign sometimes too
[16:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm not so sure if people are really meant to lucid dream
[16:01] <%Oreoboy1996> but we do it anyways
[16:02] <fennecgirl> RareCola: I did, but I was too awake and it didn't work =/
[16:02] <@RareCola> they're probably not, but it doesn't do any harm
[16:02] <@OpheliaBlue> but we're here to fight that!
[16:02] <%melanieb> So many memorable dreams are what occur right before waking...or we only remember the ones right before waking
[16:02] <@OpheliaBlue> a little of both I think melanie
[16:02] <Banned^> ^
[16:02] <@Caenis|BRB> !back
[16:02] == Caenis|BRB has changed nick to Caenis
[16:02] <Banned^> Like tonight I remember 1 dream
[16:02] <%melanieb> Agreed
[16:02] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Caenis!
[16:02] <%Oreoboy1996> well i do know we can recall dreams that didn't happen right before waking up
[16:02] <Banned^> but that happened like 3 hours before waking
[16:02] <@Caenis> Hey Ophelia, everyone.
[16:02] <Xyvoch> hey caenis
[16:02] <Banned^> Hey Caenis
[16:02] <%melanieb> *waves*
[16:02] <Banned^> how is ur duck?
[16:03] <%melanieb> I so read that wrong
[16:03] <@Caenis> Ugh. A coward.
[16:03] <@RareCola> I had bad recall last night for some reason, but so many things today have been prompting memories of dreams. I've had to keep running upstairs to write stuff down in my dream journal, haha
[16:03] <%Oreoboy1996> i would think the most memorable ones would be related to multiple factors
[16:03] <@OpheliaBlue> Banned^: don't get me wrong, I don't think she meant ALL memorable dreams occur just before you wake up
[16:03] <Oceandrop> I had a nice occurence today, woke up at 8 am and couldn't recall any dream and got frustrated at it, then I fall asleep again and had an awesome dream and woke up again 9:27 :3
[16:03] <%Oreoboy1996> like how meaningful it was to you or how vivid it was
[16:03] <%melanieb> Of course not
[16:03] <ccrinbama> So, I thought I had no memory of any dreams last night, but one just kind of flooded into my head.
[16:03] <Banned^> nope nope
[16:03] <%melanieb> I like that flooding feeling
[16:03] <ccrinbama> So that's less horrifying.
[16:03] <Xyvoch> I had 2 dreams recall
[16:03] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: haha why running upstairs?
[16:03] <ccrinbama> Was afraid I was regressing hard.
[16:03] <@RareCola> Because that's where my dream journal sits, beside my bed
[16:04] <%melanieb> IAnd computer downstairs?
[16:04] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I see what you meant
[16:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I thought you were sleeping downstairs
[16:04] <%Oreoboy1996> ccrinbama: i've noticed that talking to people about dreams helps you remember forgotten dreams
[16:04] <@OpheliaBlue> he was downstairs and remembering fragments
[16:04] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: totally true man
[16:05] <@OpheliaBlue> still better to have a journal
[16:05] <@OpheliaBlue> or both, journal and talking, even posting on DV
[16:05] <Burke> I had two dreams that were nearly identical but can only remember anything from the second :/
[16:05] <Burke> and the fact that theyb were very similar
[16:05] <Xyvoch> and couldn't recall any dream and got frustrated at it, I tried recalling with a micrfon today...
[16:05] <Xyvoch> sry
[16:05] <%Oreoboy1996> of course, but you still need other things to help your recall
[16:05] <@RareCola> Yea, I was using my phone earlier when I remembered a dream fragment where my internet cut out during an important internet meeting and I had to use my phone's 3G to get back on the internet, lol
[16:05] <%Oreoboy1996> so you actually have stuff to write in the journal
[16:06] <%melanieb> I think you should speak out loud when you write sometimes. Seems to help cement memories.
[16:06] <Banned^> So what do you guys think about using music for a WILD?
[16:06] <Burke> EILD
[16:06] <@RareCola> depends on the type of music
[16:06] <Burke> is what I think
[16:06] <%melanieb> Agreed
[16:06] <Oceandrop> Metal lol x)
[16:06] <Banned^> ?? eild
[16:06] <@OpheliaBlue> haha yeah metal
[16:06] <Burke> externally induced LF
[16:06] <Burke> LD*
[16:06] <Banned^> oh I see
[16:06] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned^: if it's something soothing or relaxing
[16:06] <%melanieb> I doubt I could LD to Kill 'Em All
[16:06] <Banned^> well I tried that when I was awake for 24 hours and took my nap
[16:06] <fennecgirl> Banned: I've tried it a couple times. I've gotten closer to WILD with music than I have without.
[16:06] <Oceandrop> Kill em all?
[16:06] <Banned^> I was still too tired
[16:06] <Banned^> I fell sleep
[16:07] <%melanieb> Old Metallica album
[16:07] <@OpheliaBlue> music engages me too much, and I can't sleep
[16:07] <ccrinbama> Music does the opposite for my WILD attempts.
[16:07] <fennecgirl> But it has to be quiet and preferably relaxing... and not have lyrics.
[16:07] <Burke> I let music play in my head x)
[16:07] <Oceandrop> Ah :p
[16:07] <ccrinbama> Any kind of auditory stimulus makes it harder for me to WILD.
[16:07] <ccrinbama> I need a void.
[16:07] <Banned^> I think if I did it in the early morning after a very short WBTB
[16:07] <Banned^> It might work
[16:07] <@RareCola> Same OpheliaBlue, I find just using a fan as white noise is the best method for me.
[16:07] <%melanieb> I like listening to the A/C and drifting off
[16:07] <fennecgirl> Anything with lyrics just completely ruins my focus for WILD =/
[16:07] <Banned^> well I think with music I dont need to focus as much
[16:07] <Banned^> which is good
[16:07] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah the A/C sound is nice too, oursisn't loud enough though, so fans it is
[16:07] <ccrinbama> How so?
[16:07] <Banned^> I can just listen to the song which sort of makes me automatically focus
[16:08] <@Caenis> Banned^: It's an anchor, just as a fan or A/C is. Try it out and see how it works for you.
[16:08] <%melanieb> I have a fan over my bed and that also helps
[16:08] <Oceandrop> Mh maybe play rainymood over boxes
[16:08] <Banned^> last time I used this song anonymous
[16:08] <%melanieb> My WILDs occur (if I'm in bed) mainly on lazy weekend mornings
[16:08] <Banned^> shit paste fail
[16:08] <Banned^> last time I used this song Gordon Lightfoot Sundown - YouTube
[16:08] <%melanieb> Sounds from outside work for me.
[16:08] <Banned^> I think it was slow enough but Im not sure
[16:09] <ccrinbama> I understand the purpose of an anchor, they've just never worked for me. Any kind of external stimuli just makes it harder.
[16:09] <ccrinbama> Like, even white noise.
[16:09] <Burke> use internal stimuli
[16:09] <Banned^> well when I get tired
[16:09] <Burke> i.e. heartbeat, breathing
[16:09] <Banned^> I get tired
[16:09] <Banned^> and I can fall asleep easy
[16:09] <ccrinbama> I don't listen to anything. I just relax and let my body drift.
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[16:09] <Oceandrop> hey Lahzo
[16:09] <Lahzo> hello
[16:09] <Banned^> I think music keeps my mind active ish or something
[16:09] <%melanieb> I can't fall asleep to music but I always wake up with a song playing in my head
[16:09] <%Oreoboy1996> Burke: aren't those still external? O_o
[16:09] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Lahzo
[16:09] <Burke> I wouldn't consider them
[16:09] <Burke> they're inside of oyu
[16:09] <Burke> you*
[16:09] <Lahzo> this is actually jerlikescats. I managed to dig up my account from 09 and banned my new one.
[16:09] <Xyvoch> hi lahzo
[16:09] <@Caenis> Hey Lahzo
[16:10] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah but they're not inside your mind
[16:10] <%melanieb> Hi
[16:10] <Banned^> So my sleep sched fixed my recall a bit I think
[16:10] <Burke> that's not what comes to mind when I hear internal
[16:10] <Burke> I think internal organs
[16:10] <@RareCola> melanieb: I've been the same recently. When I wake up from certain dreams I seem to suddenly get a song stuck in my head after waking, even songs I haven't heard for months
[16:10] <Banned^> I have been getting more consistant recall ever since going to bed earlier
[16:10] <@Caenis> Banned^: If you find this song relaxing, then keep trying it. It might take a few nights for you to sleep with it on.
[16:10] <ccrinbama> I think that's an entirely different discussion regarding what part of you constitutes you.
[16:10] <Oceandrop> When you say internal I just think all sounds that you produce by yourself
[16:10] <%Oreoboy1996> when i think of internal and external in terms of lucid dreaming
[16:10] <%melanieb> Weird feeling, isn't it?
[16:10] <ccrinbama> And how much of yourself you can remove before you are no longer youself.
[16:10] <@RareCola> Very weird
[16:10] <%Oreoboy1996> i think internal as of anything within my mind
[16:10] <ccrinbama> yourself*
[16:11] <Banned^> Caenis: I dont find it particularly relaxing
[16:11] <Banned^> BUT
[16:11] <%Oreoboy1996> and external as everything else
[16:11] <%melanieb> Some songs play in the dreams...I'd like to use it to trigger lucidity
[16:11] <Banned^> I think I am pleanty relaxed If I wake in the middle of the night
[16:11] <Banned^> *plenty
[16:11] <%melanieb> You should be, Banned
[16:11] <Burke> I guess it's just an opinion thing :/
[16:11] == mode/#DVA [+i] by RareCola
[16:11] <%melanieb> I mean relaxed
[16:11] <ccrinbama> It is an opinion thing, but it needs to be a definition thing.
[16:11] <ccrinbama> Well, it's not an opinion thing because it needs to be a definition thing.
[16:11] <Lahzo> Does anyone have particular issues falling into SP?
[16:12] <Banned^> well the thing is I can fall asleep like that
[16:12] <fennecgirl> I've never made it to SP
[16:12] <fennecgirl> I've only attempted WILD a few times, though
[16:12] <Banned^> me neither
[16:12] <Banned^> Well I usually fall asleep first
[16:12] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe you're one of the lucky people that doesn't feel sp
[16:12] <Oceandrop> SP should not be the goal your question sounds like if it should be a goal for a WILD
[16:12] <Banned^> by accident
[16:12] <%melanieb> I fnid sensations like SP elude me when I'm very tired. I don't usually try for SP though
[16:12] <Lahzo> I'm not sure If I have or not. I get a tingly rush and feel like I'm lifted up or spun around. I see little dream scenes but I never fall into them.
[16:12] <Burke> I don't feel SP but I hear and see it
[16:12] <%Oreoboy1996> then again it might not be lucky since it would be hard to tell if you're getting close
[16:13] <@RareCola> I have issues with SP too, I seem to get the sensations of it but I never get any kind of hallucinations. Not that it's a problem, having less distractions is good
[16:13] <Oceandrop> I don't like SP :'| too creepy for me
[16:13] <Burke> I wonder how many people get smell HH
[16:13] <fennecgirl> Oreo: I don't think so. I've never actually made it into an LD through WILD, and I do feel the sensations that come beforehand.
[16:13] <Burke> like randomly smelling lemon or something xD
[16:13] <@RareCola> haha that'd be interesting, Burke
[16:13] <Burke> new goal for tonight
[16:13] <Lahzo> I don't have olfactory hallucinations.
[16:13] <Burke>
[16:13] <@OpheliaBlue> haha HH smells? no clue
[16:14] <@OpheliaBlue> would seem possible though
[16:14] <Burke> same with taste
[16:14] <fennecgirl> I've never even heard of that xD
[16:14] <Xyvoch> What is hh ?
[16:14] <Burke> hypnagogic hallucinations
[16:14] <ccrinbama> Hypnagogic Hallucinations
[16:14] <@Caenis> Taste HH would be great too.
[16:14] <Lahzo> ^^^
[16:14] <ccrinbama> Burke too fast
[16:14] <Burke> things that affect your senses often times in SP
[16:14] <Burke>
[16:14] <ccrinbama> They're pretty much the best part of WILDing
[16:14] <Burke> "hmm... I think I'll taste some lobster during tonight's WILD attempt" xD
[16:15] <Lahzo> Suggestions on preventing myself from falling asleep? When I'm counting down from 100 to HOPEFULLY fall into a dream, I get to a point of 79,78,74,76,75.. ect
[16:15] <Banned^> I want lobster!
[16:15] <@RareCola> I've heard of people getting proprioception HH
[16:15] <@RareCola> Really weird
[16:15] <Banned^> dammit I'm hungry
[16:15] <Banned^> !brb gotta see about dinner
[16:15] == Banned^ has changed nick to Banned^|BRB
[16:15] <@Caenis> Haha, I'd go for crab. Delicious crab HH.
[16:15] <Oceandrop> Blue lobster?
[16:15] <Lahzo> I know that it's my mind shutting off, but I'm unsure of what to do.
[16:15] <fennecgirl> RareCola: Proprioception?
[16:15] <Burke> Lahzo: when you say falling asleep do you mean losing consciousness or not going into a WILD?
[16:15] <fennecgirl> What's that?
[16:15] <Lahzo> losing consciousness
[16:15] <@OpheliaBlue> what's proprioception HH RareCola? where you feel an appendage that doesn't exist?
[16:15] <Banned^|BRB> I WANT CRAB DAMMIT
[16:15] <Burke> focus a little more on something
[16:15] <ccrinbama> Keep a tenuous focus on something inside your mind, Lahzo.
[16:16] <Banned^|BRB> GIVE ME CRABS
[16:16] <Lahzo> In order to WILD, I'd assume that I need to push through this part.
[16:16] <Banned^|BRB> SHIT CRAB NOT CRABS
[16:16] <ccrinbama> Not too tight, or you won't fall asleep, not too loose, or you will.
[16:16] <Burke> anchors can help
[16:16] <@RareCola> fennecgirl: Sense of knowing where your limbs exist in space... someone said they had HH where they felt like their arms were waving around manically.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> I focus on the numbers themselves.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> Loosely.
[16:16] <@Caenis> I'll give you some crabs Banned^|BRB
[16:16] <Lahzo> ccrinbama: Does it matter what? Can it just be a dream scene or what?
[16:16] <Banned^|BRB> ....
[16:16] <ccrinbama> A visual image of the numbers moving.
[16:16] <fennecgirl> That's weird o.o
[16:16] <Oceandrop> sounds f*cking creepy RareCola
[16:16] <Oceandrop> °_°
[16:16] <%melanieb> No more crabs.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> I don't focus on scenes while triyng to move into the early stages of a WILD.
[16:16] <%Oreoboy1996> RareCola: like how i know where my wings and tail are? O_O
[16:16] <ccrinbama> I focus on something to keep me awake.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> Because.
[16:16] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: Oh I've had that! It was just my fingers though, all contorting and weird. I could still feel it after I woke up.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> Once you get into the fun part fo the WILD.
[16:16] <ccrinbama> You can just focus on what crazy sensory date you're being fed.
[16:16] <Lahzo> ccrinbama: I can definitely try that. I'm horrible at forcing imagined images.
[16:16] <Banned^|BRB> Caenis: our conversation is still affecting my dreams
[16:16] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb real quick
[16:16] == OpheliaBlue has changed nick to OpheliaBlue|BRB
[16:16] <@Caenis> Hahaha, that's good.
[16:16] <@RareCola> Haha
[16:17] <Banned^|BRB> yea lol
[16:17] <Xyvoch> Are we talking about wild ?
[16:17] <ccrinbama> Yea, one of the early guides I read said to see the numbers changing from one to the other.
[16:17] <%melanieb> Imagined images? Shouldn't be hard to imagine...
[16:17] <Lahzo> Xyvoch: Yes
[16:17] <@RareCola> yep Xyvoch, and SP
[16:17] <Banned^|BRB> anyway !brb
[16:17] <@Caenis> I tried that ccrinbama I actually found it difficult. I'm not great at visualizing.
[16:17] <Xyvoch> Oh the scary stuff.... brrr....
[16:17] <Burke> what Banned^|BRB said
[16:17] <Burke> !brb
[16:17] <ccrinbama> Whisper without moving.
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[16:17] <ccrinbama> You can try that, Caenis.
[16:17] <%melanieb> WLID isn't or shouldn't be scary
[16:17] <Lahzo> I mean, I can see a memory like it's a dream or actually happening right in front of me, but when I need to force an imagined picture, it becomes difficult.
[16:18] <ccrinbama> Like, a sub-auditory whisper that doesn't require you to actually move.
[16:18] <@RareCola> WILD is only as scary as you make it
[16:18] <ccrinbama> Activate that parts of your brain that come into play when you actually talk.
[16:18] <ccrinbama> I've heard of people having success with that if they have problems with visualizations.
[16:18] <ccrinbama> They do that while counting.
[16:18] <@Caenis> Huh. All right, I'll try that next time. That's a good idea, thanks.
[16:18] <%Oreoboy1996> actually shouldn't it be scary since your body would be testing you to see if you're really asleep?
[16:18] <ccrinbama> It can make it harder to fall asleep, thuogh, is what I also hear, so who knows.
[16:18] <Oceandrop> oy Rare there is someone in #DV who wants in
[16:18] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[16:18] <ccrinbama> Don't try to force an imagined picture, Lahzo, if you get deep enough in, your mind should form it for you
[16:18] <%melanieb> It's all in your head...there's no need to be scared...it's mind over matter.
[16:19] <@Caenis> Who wants in Oceandrop?
[16:19] <ccrinbama> Form a generalized setting, at least.
[16:19] <Lahzo> I heard that if you tell your brain that you should be moving certain body parts, that it becomes rather easy, Have yet to try it though.
[16:19] <ccrinbama> Unless you want to really try to enforce a particular scene.
[16:19] <Oceandrop> placebob
[16:19] <fennecgirl> Yeah, I start to imagine something, but my subconscious takes over after a while
[16:19] <Lahzo> Agreed with fennecgirl
[16:19] <@Caenis> Whoops, too late. Thanks RareCola
[16:19] <@OpheliaBlue> hi plabebob
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[16:20] <@OldHomeboy> I just invited him
[16:20] <@OldHomeboy> not- there we are
[16:20] <%Oreoboy1996> hello plabebob
[16:20] <Xyvoch> hi placebob
[16:20] <%melanieb> **welcome**
[16:20] <Oceandrop> hey placebob
[16:20] <plabebob> Hiya! Sozrry for being annoying, not used IRC much
[16:20] <Xyvoch> plabebob*
[16:20] <%melanieb> Gotta learn eventually. No worries
[16:20] <%Oreoboy1996> nah, it's confusing everyone plabebob
[16:20] <%Oreoboy1996> you're not alone
[16:20] <Burke|BRB> !back
[16:20] == Burke|BRB has changed nick to Burke
[16:20] <plabebob> hehe thanks
[16:20] <@Caenis> Hey plabebob welcome to IRC!
[16:20] == OldHomeboy has changed nick to OldHomeboy|BRB
[16:20] <@OpheliaBlue> no worries man, we changed how to enter irc recently
[16:20] <Oceandrop> Oh wtfd
[16:20] <Oceandrop> spider
[16:21] <Oceandrop> making a web in fron of my screen
[16:21] <Oceandrop>
[16:21] <Xyvoch>
[16:21] <Burke> lol
[16:21] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[16:21] <@Caenis> It wants to connect to the world wide web!
[16:21] <%Oreoboy1996> spiders >.>
[16:21] <@RareCola> Seems we're getting a lot more people for the 3PM time Glad to have all the new people here!
[16:21] <%melanieb> Spiders are crunchy
[16:21] <@Caenis> It wants to connect to the largest web in existence!
[16:21] <Xyvoch> haha caenis :')
[16:21] <Oceandrop> haha caenis x)
[16:21] <@OpheliaBlue> So I have a question for you guys:
[16:21] <Lahzo> Yes?
[16:22] <@OpheliaBlue> Do you feel that dream signs actually help with lucid attainment?
[16:22] <%melanieb> YES
[16:22] <Xyvoch> Yes they do
[16:22] <Burke> not mine
[16:22] <Lahzo> Not thus far anyways
[16:22] <@RareCola> I think it differs for everyone, if you have a really good dream sign, then yes
[16:22] <Oceandrop> mh yush
[16:22] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah that's what I thought, I've been getting mixed answers on that lately
[16:22] <Lahzo> I've been aware of my dream sign since 2009 and have yet to recall a lucid from it.
[16:22] <@RareCola> But dream signs have never helped me personally
[16:22] <Xyvoch> If you dild, absolutely
[16:22] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: half of my lucids anymore are because i notice dream signs
[16:22] <%melanieb> How many of you write down your dream signs and recognize them?
[16:22] <ccrinbama> They never have mine, but I almost immediately got into WILDing. But if you focus on anything else, then yes.
[16:22] <Lahzo> My DS shows up in about 5 dreams a week too
[16:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I do!
[16:22] <@Caenis> Sometimes. One of my first LDs was because I realized everything was dark, which happens a lot in dreams. I think that's the only one out of 8 though.
[16:22] <%Oreoboy1996> but of course i had to work hard to train myself to be aware of them
[16:22] <ccrinbama> You'd just need a high level of awareness of the sign.
[16:22] <plabebob> I had a dream with about 10 in last night, all really obvious ones too, but no lucid
[16:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I have a few big ones.. they don't work 100% of the time, but they do help.
[16:23] <%melanieb> Agreed
[16:23] <Lahzo> How do you establish when to RC?
[16:23] <@OpheliaBlue> My next question would be: is it beneficial or not to RC when you see the dream sign irl?
[16:23] <%Oreoboy1996> i just realized my first lucid dream was because i noticed a dream sign
[16:23] <@Caenis> Most of the times my dream will mention lucid dreaming, or I'll become lucid sporadically.
[16:23] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:23] <ccrinbama> I think if definitely is.
[16:23] == RareCola changed the topic of #DVA to: Topic: Dream Signs
[16:23] <Burke> yes, RC
[16:23] <Xyvoch> lahzo when you remember or when you see ds
[16:23] <Lahzo> LuCkY
[16:23] <ccrinbama> It builds the habit.
[16:23] <ccrinbama> So you are more likely to RC in the dream.
[16:23] <Oceandrop> it is because it also trains your memory, so it also benefits if you want to remember something in your dream like the monthly task I think
[16:23] <Lahzo> XYVOCH: It's rather hard because my DS almost never shows up in my waking life.
[16:23] <fennecgirl> I usually just RC whenever something odd happens or whenever I think about it
[16:23] <%melanieb> RCs and dream signs should go hand-in-hand if possible
[16:24] <@OpheliaBlue> ccrinbama: I noticed it helps only with the BIG dream signs, not so much the little ones, for me anyway
[16:24] <ccrinbama> ^
[16:24] <ccrinbama> Well, it would deopend on how common they are, wouldn't it?
[16:24] <ccrinbama> I mean, if you never the DS in waking life, you'll never build the habit.
[16:24] <ccrinbama> If you see it often, the habit will become ingrained.
[16:24] <plabebob> My dream signs are things like crashing the car so not great for real life!
[16:24] <Lahzo> It's a pain though because like I said, my DS appears in atleast 5 dreams a week.
[16:24] <ccrinbama> I feel like finding DS that are coming in waking life is an even bigger deal than finding ones that are exclusive to the dreamscape.
[16:24] <ccrinbama> common in waking life*
[16:24] <plabebob> But i still RC whenever I think about it, general awareness & all that
[16:25] <%Oreoboy1996> Lahzo: there is a way to train yourself to recognize dream signs that don't appear in the real world
[16:25] <%melanieb> I find moving sluggishly is a gopod dream sign but I rarely run in real life
[16:25] <@OpheliaBlue> Mine is really spooky weather.. doesn't help right now in Dallas when it's all sunny and bright all day.
[16:25] <ccrinbama> =P
[16:25] <Lahzo> How would that work OREOBOY1996?
[16:25] <%melanieb> I get storms too
[16:25] <%melanieb> What's up with that?
[16:25] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: oh like tornados and car wrecks?
[16:25] <fennecgirl> The only DS I've identified so far is playing video games. Whenever I dream about playing video games, all I can usually see is just what's on the screen. I came up with a special RC for that - checking if I can see what's around the screen.
[16:25] <%Oreoboy1996> everytime you have a dream with that dream sign, think about it when you wake up and keep telling yourself you should have become lucid
[16:25] <Oceandrop> What about things like when you can't close a door in dreams?
[16:25] <ccrinbama> I remember reading that, Fennec, that was a really great idea.
[16:25] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: not sure.. maybe because they're weird and freaky, and surreal and dreamlike in and of themselves
[16:26] <fennecgirl> I haven't been able to actually get in the habit of that yet, though, since I haven't had much free time lately.
[16:26] <%Oreoboy1996> eventually that should train you to associate that dream sign for what it is
[16:26] <Oceandrop> ah I see Oreoboy already answered that x')
[16:26] <@OpheliaBlue> oh good call Oreoboy1996
[16:26] <plabebob> So would you say reviewing your non lucid dreams in your mind is a good idea then?
[16:26] <plabebob> I do a lot of that!
[16:26] <@OpheliaBlue> since I can't RC when I see a tornado, since I never saw one P
[16:26] <@OpheliaBlue>
[16:26] <%Oreoboy1996> still haven't been motivated to write the tutorial
[16:26] <@Caenis> I'll try that again Oreoboy1996. I used to do that, then stopped.
[16:26] <%melanieb> If you write them all you get a chance to review them all
[16:26] <@RareCola> I'd say it's good to read over your previous dreams quite a lot, not just for dream signs
[16:26] <ccrinbama> I guess there are two different kind of major DS, then?
[16:27] <ccrinbama> Which need to be approached differently?
[16:27] <@RareCola> You eventually start to realise how your dreams "feel"
[16:27] <Oceandrop> DS?
[16:27] <Oceandrop> ah dreamsigns..
[16:27] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, just getting your dream muscles ready, so it's good to read over dreams
[16:27] <%melanieb> You can find Dream Signs in non-lucid and LDs
[16:27] <%Oreoboy1996> recognizing how a dream feels is one of my reality checks
[16:27] <ccrinbama> DS that have a high rate of occurence in waking life, and DS that are almost exclusive to dreamscapes.
[16:28] <ccrinbama> And both can be utilized in different ways, and would require different types of awareness.
[16:28] <%melanieb> I have an odd DS/RC combination...the color Blue
[16:28] <ccrinbama> One can rely on habitual memory, one can rely on general disciplined awareness.
[16:28] <%Oreoboy1996> i suppose you could categorize them like that
[16:28] <ccrinbama> I mean, if people have mostly one or the other.
[16:28] <@OpheliaBlue> true ccrinbama
[16:28] <%Oreoboy1996> somehow i feel that the ones exclusive to dreams are more reliable
[16:28] <ccrinbama> It would be helpful for them to split their focus.
[16:28] <ccrinbama> TO play to their personal strengths.
[16:28] <@OpheliaBlue> colors don't work for me as much as I would have hoped
[16:29] <@OpheliaBlue> water does though.. water and weather
[16:29] <%melanieb> For me it has to be significant objects
[16:29] <@Caenis> I don't have many dream signs exclusive to dreams. Apart from ridiculous bathrooms. I guess colors could work for that too though, usually my dreams are either gray-ish, or they only focus on one color, like green or orange or something.
[16:29] <ccrinbama> Do they occur often in the waking world? Your DS?
[16:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't think my dreams are focused towards one color
[16:30] <Oceandrop> mine don't occur often in the waking world around me
[16:30] <@OpheliaBlue> lol ridiculous bathrooms
[16:30] <%melanieb> I hate weird bathrooms
[16:30] <@Caenis> ccrinbama: Yep. Family friends, house, games. Pretty normal things.
[16:30] <plabebob> I have that! toilet doors that won't shut
[16:30] <ccrinbama> So, right.
[16:30] <ccrinbama> If you see your DS all the time.
[16:30] <plabebob> and flooded bathrooms
[16:30] <%melanieb> Open stalls
[16:30] <Oceandrop> lol yah I have also sometimes doors that won't shut
[16:30] <ccrinbama> You could create specific, targetted habits centered around them.
[16:30] <plabebob> it must be performance anxiety
[16:30] <Oceandrop> I hope that will be a DS in the future for me :3
[16:30] <ccrinbama> You wouldn't need to shift your focus to generalized awareness, though you wouldn't abandon it.
[16:31] <@Caenis> Yeah, I kind of try. I RC every time I go into a bathroom. =p
[16:31] <@OpheliaBlue> [15:30:46] <OpheliaBlue> I dream alot about toilet malfunctions in general
[16:31] <@OpheliaBlue> I meant that for in here haha
[16:31] <%melanieb> I have lots of blue objects in my dreams. I see that same shade of blue on only a couple objects in my home. That's why the color works for me
[16:31] <Oceandrop> neat
[16:31] <%melanieb> Toilet issues....sometimes it leads to pooping in public
[16:31] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:31] <@OpheliaBlue> it does?
[16:31] <@OpheliaBlue> aye carumba
[16:32] <@RareCola> I tend to become lucid in the bathroom a lot
[16:32] <%melanieb> Well...it's not like pooping in the street or something...more like having to go where there are lots of people in the bathroom for some weird reason
[16:32] <@RareCola> Something about bathrooms spikes awareness or something
[16:32] <@OpheliaBlue> I do if I pass the mirror in the bathroom
[16:32] <%Oreoboy1996> the only time i can think of becoming lucid in the bathroom was due to my horrible vomiting dream sign
[16:33] <%melanieb> Mirrors rarely hold my attention. I should pay more attention to them while awake
[16:33] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: lol I thought you meant that draemign about toilet issues leads to pooping in public irl, like some kind of psychological/excretory disorder
[16:33] <@Caenis> RareCola: I think that could make sense. If you're having the dreams because you do need to use the bathroom in real life, then the discomfort could help make you more aware, perhaps.
[16:33] <ccrinbama> That's a really unforuntate DS
[16:33] <%melanieb> Ick...throwing up feels bad
[16:33] <plabebob> I've never had a mirror in a dream that I can remember
[16:33] <%Oreoboy1996> yes it does
[16:33] <%Oreoboy1996> even worse in dreams
[16:33] <%melanieb> I bet
[16:33] <@RareCola> I don't though, Caenis! A lot of the time these dreams are after my WBTB, and I always use the bathroom during WBTB
[16:33] <Banned^|BRB> !back sorta even though I am starving
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[16:33] <%melanieb> No, Ophelia, that would be awful
[16:33] <Oceandrop> wb Banned
[16:33] <Banned^> thx
[16:33] <@OpheliaBlue> I started having LDs with mirrors in them about 8 years ago, since then they appear in almost every LD, and my eyes look weird in them
[16:34] <@Caenis> Huh. Maybe it's because you were practicing awareness in the bathroom before sleeping, so it's on your mind.
[16:34] <%melanieb> Eyes...
[16:34] <plabebob> Well if I ever get a LD I will conjure up a mirror just to see!
[16:34] <%Oreoboy1996> mirrors are sometimes fun
[16:34] <Burke> only ever looked in a mirror ina dream once
[16:34] <@Caenis> plabebob: That's a good idea. Let us know what you see!
[16:34] <Burke> well, twice
[16:34] <%Oreoboy1996> like when you walk through them
[16:34] <@OpheliaBlue> it's so worth it.. I may have to include another mirror TOTM in the future, since the last one, so many people were too scared of them lol
[16:34] <Burke> but the first time my reflection ran away :/
[16:34] <@RareCola> could be, Caenis. Makes sense that waking residue leaks into dreams
[16:34] <%melanieb> I wake up every single night to use the bathroom...I think that's my influence. Thank God I've never had an accident.
[16:34] <Oceandrop> lool Burke
[16:35] <@OpheliaBlue> Burke: seriosuly!?
[16:35] <Oceandrop> sounds funny
[16:35] <Burke> its in my DJ
[16:35] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: if you really want to scare people, make the basic task elevator related
[16:35] <plabebob> lol @ burke!
[16:35] <Burke> I forget if it was lucid or nto xD
[16:35] <%Oreoboy1996> and the advanced mirror related
[16:35] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: I like it
[16:35] <ccrinbama> I'm actually having a hard time finding my current DS. Low recall and inconsitent dreams since moving.
[16:35] <ccrinbama> It's pretty frustrating.
[16:35] <%melanieb> \Mirrors in an elevator
[16:35] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[16:35] <@OpheliaBlue> elevators... maybe for October, around Halloween, we'
[16:35] <@OpheliaBlue> ll do scary ones
[16:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i was actually hoping for a ghost hunt for october
[16:35] <Oceandrop> lol Oreoboy and Ophelia, mean people
[16:35] <@Caenis> =O Scary TOTMs, that'd be fun.
[16:35] <Oceandrop> :p
[16:35] <%melanieb> A spider task
[16:35] <plabebob> Someone behind me is the scariest dream I can think of
[16:36] <ccrinbama> Wasn't there some special subforum devoted to that a few years ago, Caenis?
[16:36] <%Oreoboy1996> Oceandrop: we're not mean, we're helping people conquer their irrational fears
[16:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll definitely remember that for october
[16:36] <Burke> dont make the basic "go trick or treating"
[16:36] <ccrinbama> Horror TOTMs?
[16:36] <Burke> that's too obvious
[16:36] <Oceandrop> haha okay I give you that Oreoboy
[16:36] <@OpheliaBlue> nah, nothing lame or cheesy
[16:36] <%melanieb> Steal someone's candy
[16:36] <Oceandrop> Maybe people should ask the mirror to show them what they fear the most
[16:36] <%Oreoboy1996> fear of spiders however is perfectly rational and evolutionary >.>
[16:36] <ccrinbama> It's dead now, though.
[16:36] <%Oreoboy1996> so no spider tasks
[16:36] <@Caenis> ccrinbama: No idea. o.O Sounds interesting though.
[16:36] <@OpheliaBlue> maybe Wintervenom will finally get his demon this october
[16:36] <Oceandrop> just because youre afraid of spiders Oreo!
[16:36] <%melanieb> Go Trick-or-Treating at the scary house
[16:36] <Oceandrop> jk
[16:36] <ccrinbama> Yea, actually.
[16:37] <ccrinbama> Nightstalker Task Club.
[16:37] <@Caenis> It'd be cool if there could be a murder mystery-esque TOTM.
[16:37] <ccrinbama> Under the User Forums section.
[16:37] <@RareCola> I'm interested to see whether people manage to do this month's advanced task
[16:37] <%melanieb> Every kid grew up near a scary house
[16:37] <%Oreoboy1996> no one has updated the nightstalker task club in forever
[16:37] <ccrinbama> Right.
[16:37] <%Oreoboy1996> and it actually was an interesting concept
[16:37] <ccrinbama> It's real dead.
[16:37] <@Caenis> Ooooh, I'll have to look into that ccrinbama. I'd like to see the ideas they came up with!
[16:37] <ccrinbama> But it was a horror based TOTM task cl;ub.
[16:37] <Banned^> I didnt grow up near a scary house
[16:37] <fennecgirl> ccrinbama: I've seen some of the old topics there. I wish they'd get that going again.
[16:37] <ccrinbama> club*
[16:37] <%Oreoboy1996> though i'm not really into dark tasks like those
[16:37] <Oceandrop> Whats this month task? I like to read it though I'm not yet advanced enough with lds to take part or try
[16:37] <@OpheliaBlue> nightstalker task club?
[16:37] <Banned^> whats that
[16:37] <ccrinbama> http://www.dreamviews.com/f135/
[16:37] <@RareCola> August TOTM: http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...2012-a-134702/
[16:38] <%melanieb> I remember seeing it mentioned but I only barely looked into it
[16:38] <ccrinbama> It's super dead.
[16:38] == Oreoboy1996 changed the topic of #DVA to: Topic: Tasks again.
[16:38] <ccrinbama> But a neat idea.
[16:38] <Oceandrop> thanks Rare
[16:38] <Banned^> lol
[16:38] <Banned^> My suggestions of being a serial killer might have been more welcome there
[16:38] <Oceandrop> mhhh sounds funny, but I like the basic more
[16:38] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned^: yep
[16:38] <%Oreoboy1996> well actually, they would have said that was too basic
[16:38] <Banned^> or slaughtering a pig and butchering it to make bacon
[16:39] <Burke> mmm, bacon
[16:39] <@Caenis> Mmmm, bacon.
[16:39] <Banned^> mmm bacon
[16:39] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:39] <Lahzo> Nightstalker sounds awesome! I can't wait to be more proficient at LDing
[16:39] <%melanieb> You'll summon Anderj101 with bacon talk
[16:39] <Banned^> Im starbing
[16:39] <Burke> lmao
[16:39] <@Caenis> I really like the basic task. I'll make myself the patient.
[16:39] <Banned^> *starving
[16:39] <@Caenis> If I can manage.
[16:39] <Banned^> gross
[16:39] <%melanieb> You're welcome, Caenis
[16:39] <%Oreoboy1996> unfortunately i didn't attempt the basic task last night
[16:39] <%Oreoboy1996> or at least didn't remember
[16:40] <%melanieb> I tried to think about the advanced task but it was too late
[16:40] <@Caenis> Very creative melanieb.
[16:40] <%Oreoboy1996> my dreams were still fun none the less
[16:40] <%melanieb> I enjoy reading people's efforts in TOTM
[16:40] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis: the thought crossed my mind to perform on myself
[16:41] <%Oreoboy1996> i had another dream where mcdonalds refused to serve me D:
[16:41] <Oceandrop> me too melanieb .3
[16:41] <Oceandrop> *
[16:41] <Oceandrop> :3
[16:41] <%melanieb>
[16:41] <%melanieb> Issues with Ronald...ooh, a clown task
[16:41] <@Caenis> One of my goals is to perform surgery on myself anyway, so hopefully I can do it on myself and complete the TOTM before August ends!
[16:41] <ccrinbama> That
[16:41] <ccrinbama> Is terrifying!
[16:42] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis: plastic surgery? :O
[16:42] <%melanieb> Maybe amputation?
[16:42] <@Caenis> Haha, nah. Back surgery. Thought it'd be interesting, since I already had surgery on my back 6 years ago.
[16:42] <Oceandrop> Amputation
[16:42] <%Oreoboy1996> breast implants?
[16:42] <@OpheliaBlue> oh man, an amputation
[16:42] <@RareCola> I think I'm going to aim to amputate someone's arm
[16:42] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao oreo
[16:42] <%melanieb> A toe would be enough...or a finger
[16:42] <@OpheliaBlue> I still may do the vasectomy.. I think it would be interesting
[16:43] <Oceandrop> as Kid I had a nightmare that my older Brother was a Kind and slashed my arm off x') I cried after my dream Lion and he came :'D
[16:43] <Oceandrop> best dream ever
[16:43] <Oceandrop> rofl
[16:43] <@RareCola> After seeing 127 Hours I feel like I'd be an expert at amputating somebody's arm. Lol
[16:43] <Burke> hmm... does it have to be professional surgery?
[16:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm not sure what i'm going to do
[16:43] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I can't watch movies like that
[16:43] <Burke> or can it be, like, impromptu random crap
[16:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll let the dream surprise me
[16:43] <%melanieb> I watched a movie where...think it was Ellen Page played a character that did that to a killer...
[16:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: perform a transgender operation
[16:43] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:43] <@OpheliaBlue> gorl to boy 9it's harder)
[16:43] <Banned^> Like I said I would just rip a hole in somebody and yank an organ out
[16:43] <Banned^> does that count?
[16:43] <@OpheliaBlue> girl to boy*
[16:43] <Lahzo> I side with Banned
[16:43] <@OpheliaBlue> haha yeah that counts Banned
[16:44] <Burke> amputation.... well that happens in many fights so... do it with a doctor's coat on?
[16:44] <Oceandrop> 2012 is zee best year for movies, Prometheus, Cloud Atlas, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Moonrise Kingdom, Robot & Frank and many more <3
[16:44] <%melanieb> If you look at the surgery pictures on the web it's all gross
[16:44] <@OpheliaBlue> extra credit if the patient survives
[16:44] <fennecgirl> Banned: I guess... but then the patient will die
[16:44] <Burke> x)
[16:44] <Banned^> well they are DCs
[16:44] <%Oreoboy1996> no Banned^, that's not surgery, that's aztec sacrifice
[16:44] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:44] <Lahzo> Thanks for the chat! I gotta pick up my mom from the airport. Take care everyone.
[16:44] <ccrinbama> Cya lahzo
[16:44] <Burke> bai
[16:44] <fennecgirl> Bye Lahzo
[16:44] <@Caenis> Later Lahzo
[16:44] <%melanieb> Bye
[16:44] <Banned^> nye
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[16:44] <Banned^> *dammit bye
[16:44] <Burke> lol
[16:44] <Banned^> I am the worlds most horrible typer
[16:44] <%melanieb> That should be a new chat command...*dammit bye
[16:45] <Burke>
[16:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll just put on my doctor hat and cut off someone's arm perhaps
[16:45] <@OpheliaBlue> !Banned damnits received
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[16:45] <@RareCola> Become a dragon doctor and amputate somebody's arm with fire.
[16:45] <Banned^> !damns given banned
[16:45] <Oceandrop> lool
[16:45] <Burke> or cauterize the wound
[16:45] <Oceandrop> creative RareCola x)
[16:45] <Burke> makes mroe sense
[16:45] <Burke>
[16:45] <Banned^> oh seriously you can give fucks or shits
[16:45] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[16:45] <%melanieb> You don't have to limit yourself to humans, do you?
[16:45] <Banned^> but you cant give damns
[16:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i thought the fire would be used to put it back together
[16:46] <%Oreoboy1996> melanieb: i wouldn't think so
[16:46] <Burke> rofl banned
[16:46] <Oceandrop> lol melt zee humans together agai nx')
[16:46] <%Oreoboy1996> since you can do surgery on animals and stuff
[16:46] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I have to head out, you guys are in good hands
[16:46] <@Caenis> Fire doesn't put limbs back on a person Oreo.
[16:46] <@RareCola> Haha yea, you could be a squirrel doctor operating on squirrel patients
[16:46] <Burke> allstate....
[16:46] <%Oreoboy1996> bye OpheliaBlue
[16:46] <@RareCola> that'd make things interesting
[16:46] <Banned^> bye OpheliaBlue
[16:46] <Burke> cay
[16:46] <ccrinbama> Cya Ophelia
[16:46] <Burke> cya*
[16:46] <fennecgirl> bye ophelia
[16:46] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola or Caenis, can one of you handle the log?
[16:46] <@Caenis> Bye Ophelia.
[16:46] <%Oreoboy1996> Caenis: sre it does
[16:46] <Burke> dammit bye
[16:46] <@RareCola> Cya later Ophelia!
[16:46] <@Caenis> Sure thing.
[16:46] <%melanieb> Good...strong....hands
[16:46] <Oceandrop> cyaa Ophelia
[16:46] <@RareCola> Will do
[16:46] <%melanieb> Bye, ophelia
[16:46] <%Oreoboy1996> you can weld things together so why not?
[16:46] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya, I'll be on skype later RareCola
[16:46] <@OpheliaBlue> !away dinner
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[16:46] <@RareCola> awesome
[16:47] <@Caenis> Oreoboy1996: Heat can seal a wound, but not put things back together. Well, I guess they could MELT together, but the arm stump wouldn't function. Just dangle.
[16:47] <%melanieb> As long as the patient survives...
[16:47] <%Oreoboy1996> Caenis: it's a dream and i do whatever i want!
[16:47] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[16:47] <Oceandrop> x)
[16:47] <Burke> she said extra credit if it survives
[16:47] <Burke> its not mandatory
[16:47] <Banned^> nah the patient doesnt need to survive
[16:47] <@Caenis> Haha, true.
[16:47] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll put the arm back together with dirt if i want
[16:48] <Banned^> Dammit man I want to get lucid
[16:48] <%melanieb> They should...what good is it if they die? I know it's not required but you're not much of a doc if you kill the patient
[16:48] <fennecgirl> If my patient dies, I'll just magically resurrect him/her.
[16:48] <@RareCola> Might just slaughter a patient and call it surgery
[16:48] <%melanieb> There you go...magic eleixir
[16:48] <%melanieb> elixir
[16:48] <Burke> most docs have 99 or 98 survival rate
[16:48] <%Oreoboy1996> ophelia said it's okay if they don't make it
[16:48] <Burke> so what about the 1/2%
[16:48] <Burke> ?
[16:48] <Banned^> they die
[16:48] <Banned^> no shit
[16:48] <ccrinbama> they have a bad day
[16:48] <Burke> exactly
[16:48] <%Oreoboy1996> but i think that implies we can just rip out everything and call it surgery >.>
[16:48] <%Oreoboy1996> i plan to do it the right way though
[16:48] <Banned^> yea
[16:48] <Burke> fine, use a scaupel
[16:48] <%melanieb> No...it's not play-doh surgery
[16:49] <Burke> instead of a kitchen knife or cleaver
[16:49] <Banned^> I will use a sword
[16:49] <%Oreoboy1996> even though i hardly know any medical science
[16:49] <Burke> or sword
[16:49] <Banned^> or a deer gutting knife
[16:49] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe i should watch a bunch of House before bed
[16:49] <Banned^> lol
[16:49] <Banned^> that might work
[16:49] <@RareCola> Haha
[16:49] <ccrinbama> Then you'd just have to deal with 10000 lupus patients.
[16:49] <Burke> no, children's hospital
[16:49] <Burke> they're the best
[16:49] <%melanieb> Laughter
[16:49] <%melanieb> Cures all
[16:49] <Burke> except real stuff
[16:50] <Banned^> tell that to a cancer patient
[16:50] <%melanieb> And it's Childrens Hospital...no apostrophe
[16:50] <ccrinbama> It belongs to the singular children!
[16:50] <%Oreoboy1996> i prefer needles n stuff
[16:50] <Burke> improper grammar in a title!?
[16:50] <%melanieb> I know a cancer patient
[16:50] <Banned^> does he/she think laughter cures all
[16:50] <%melanieb> It's not improper...it's a name
[16:50] <Banned^> meh meh meh
[16:50] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned^: laughter alone doesn't necessarily cure anything
[16:50] <%Oreoboy1996> but
[16:50] <%Oreoboy1996> it really helps
[16:51] <Wintervenom> 1536.56 @OpheliaBlue » maybe Wintervenom will finally get his demon this october # Hell, yes.
[16:51] <Banned^> is it worth living if you dont laugh anyway
[16:51] <%Oreoboy1996> and if not, it makes dying not as bad
[16:51] <Banned^> WHY SO SERIOUS?????
[16:51] <%melanieb> No, laughter doesn't cure her...but weed helps
[16:51] <%Oreoboy1996>
[16:51] <Burke> lol
[16:51] <%Oreoboy1996> ace wants in >.>
[16:51] <Banned^> lol I will never remember how to do that
[16:51] <%Oreoboy1996> although i could probably let him in...
[16:51] <Banned^> lol Oreoboy1996
[16:51] <Burke> wow im stupid... it's ace legion
[16:51] <Banned^> do it
[16:52] <@Caenis> I'm inviting him.
[16:52] <Wintervenom> Banned^: /quote knock #DVA
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[16:52] <Banned^> I cant remember how to do that
[16:52] <Burke> I always pronounced it ass-suh-luh-jeon
[16:52] <Burke> im a fcking idiot
[16:52] <Banned^> me too
[16:52] <%Oreoboy1996> hello acelegion
[16:52] <@Caenis> Hey ace. Glad you got in.
[16:52] <Oceandrop> lol
[16:52] <%melanieb> Welcome acelegion
[16:52] <acelegion> Hia
[16:52] <Oceandrop> hey acelegion
[16:52] <Banned^> hi acelegion
[16:52] <@RareCola> welcome acelegion
[16:52] <Burke> hola
[16:52] <Banned^> who the hell are you
[16:52] <ccrinbama> All the salutations!
[16:52] <acelegion>
[16:52] <Banned^> jk jk
[16:53] <Wintervenom> alias knock /quote knock $*
[16:53] <Oceandrop> Come stop your crying, it will be all right, just take my hand hold it tight <3
[16:53] <Oceandrop> best sond ever
[16:53] <Oceandrop> :3
[16:53] <Banned^> sond eh
[16:53] <Oceandrop>
[16:53] <Oceandrop> YES
[16:53] <Oceandrop> SOND
[16:53] <Oceandrop> I change the english language
[16:53] <Banned^> I got ma hands up, theyre playin my song!!!!
[16:53] <Oceandrop> as it pleases me
[16:53] <%melanieb> I used to make sondes for the Hurricane Hunters.
[16:53] <Banned^> moving my hips like yea
[16:53] <Burke> sond is a word
[16:53] <Burke> you change nothing!
[16:53] * Oceandrop is looking it up
[16:53] <Burke> lol
[16:54] <Oceandrop> NO ITS NOT
[16:54] <Banned^> IM SO DUCKING HUNGRY
[16:54] <%melanieb> Everyone waits
[16:54] <Oceandrop> at least its not in my dictionary
[16:54] <@Caenis> Soooo back to LDing before the class ends.
[16:54] <Burke> Sond | Define Sond at Dictionary.com
[16:54] <@Caenis> And dreaming in general.
[16:54] <Banned^> lol we are supposed to wait till after class to talk about dreaming
[16:54] <%melanieb> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...IM05RZdMEeUchQ
[16:54] <Oceandrop> That which is sent; a message or messenger;
[16:54] <%melanieb> Sonde
[16:54] <Oceandrop> so you actually could say
[16:54] <Oceandrop> that a song is a sond
[16:55] <Banned^> I LOVE DREAMING
[16:55] <Banned^> DREAMING IS PHUN
[16:55] <@Caenis> What's everyone's plans for their next LD?
[16:55] <Oceandrop> getting one
[16:55] <Burke> but to whom is it sond?
[16:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i think one of my dream guides might be evil
[16:55] <Banned^> Find Yvonne
[16:55] == Caenis changed the topic of #DVA to: Goals for next LD
[16:55] <acelegion> go to another planet
[16:55] <%melanieb> It's me...I'm evil
[16:55] <Oceandrop> and asking Dcs something about a real life project to see if they are more creative then me
[16:55] <Banned^> Tell her I am sorry
[16:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i saw him walk by with a dead guy over his shoulder and carrying an smg
[16:55] <fennecgirl> find my DG
[16:55] <Banned^> Tell her I still love her
[16:55] <%Oreoboy1996> then again the guy he killed may have been a bad guy
[16:55] <Burke> idk wtf happened to my DG
[16:55] <%Oreoboy1996> but he scared the hell out of everyone >.>
[16:55] <@Caenis> acelegion: That should be a really fun LD.
[16:55] <Burke> he appeared in like 10 dreams then went away
[16:55] <@RareCola> I need to have a DEILD again so I can actually have more control, only seem to be able to grasp control when I enter from the waking state
[16:56] <@Caenis> fennecgirl: That's great. I'm hoping to find/create my DG soon too.
[16:56] <%melanieb> I hope to do TOTM, but failing that I want to use my sluggish motion (running perhaps) to trigger lucidity
[16:56] <Oceandrop> Do you think DCs could be more creative then your waking self?
[16:56] <Banned^> In my next lucid I will take in the experiance
[16:56] <acelegion> Hopefully it will be Caenis Keeps me motivated!
[16:56] <@Caenis> You'll have to tell us all about it ace.
[16:56] <Banned^> !brb I am so damn hungry
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[16:57] <%Oreoboy1996> Oceandrop: typically dreams are more creative than waking life i guess
[16:57] <%melanieb> This is a good time to ask questions or post thoughts before class ends
[16:57] <acelegion> ye, hopefully I'll have another LD within a week or so
[16:57] <%melanieb> Unless we run long
[16:57] <@Caenis> Oceandrop: I don't know. That's an interesting question. I suppose the non-derpy DCs could be.
[16:57] <%Oreoboy1996> actually i think my dream self is generally better than my waking self
[16:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't act awkward is social situations >.>
[16:57] * Wintervenom needs to change his perspective. He says a lot that he doesn't dream about this and doesn't dream about that, but think, instead, that he just doesn't remember dreaming about those things.
[16:58] <Oceandrop> what
[16:58] <Wintervenom> s/(?<=think)/s/
[16:58] <@RareCola> haha our dream selves tend to be the people we wish we were, I've found
[16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> most likely exo...
[16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> wait a minute
[16:58] <@Caenis> I don't mind sticking around a little longer, but I'll be posting the log at 4 anyway. So any last questions before I log?
[16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> hmm...
[16:58] <Oceandrop> Mhhh I have many third person dreams, so I want to be many people XD?
[16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> you changed your name
[16:58] <Wintervenom> I didn't.
[16:58] <Wintervenom> Alex did.
[16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> pretty sure this is exo
[16:59] <Wintervenom> This was my original nick.
[16:59] <%Oreoboy1996> oh
[16:59] <Oceandrop> Mh but I think youre truth.. but mostly maybe because.. we are ourself in the dream for 100% like the world is us.. we are us.. all DCs are us rofl
[16:59] <@Caenis> RareCola: I don't know. My perspective changes so often, just like movies or games. So I think media has affected my dreams greatly.
[16:59] <Oceandrop> :'D
[16:59] <Wintervenom> I still like my third-person dreams.
[17:00] <Oceandrop> me too
[17:00] <Oceandrop> often I can follow a story
[17:00] <Wintervenom> They are more awesome than regular dreams.
[17:00] <Oceandrop> thats neat
[17:00] <acelegion> I know what a dream sign of mine is but how do I carry that knowledge over while dreaming?
[17:00] <%melanieb> I think perspective can change anyway even without that influence...though I have no way to verify that
[17:00] <acelegion> cause I miss it all the time >.<
[17:00] <%Oreoboy1996> well we aren't exactly ourselves in dreams since the ego thing supposedly stops working
[17:00] <%Oreoboy1996> or at least not as well as it should be
[17:00] <%melanieb> Reading allows you to change perspectives
[17:00] <Oceandrop> Mh mh
[17:00] <Oceandrop> also fantasy allows it
[17:00] <@Caenis> acelegion: Oreoboy1996 mentioned a good idea for training yourself to recognize dream signs.
[17:00] <Wintervenom> (Though, I wouldn't want to permanantly be in third-person mode; I want to actually do stuff at some point.)
[17:00] <Oceandrop> so I think melanieb is right
[17:01] <Oceandrop> also without media influence people maybe had dreams that changed perspective a lot
[17:01] <Oceandrop> like hundred years ago
[17:01] <%melanieb> Reading has been around for millenia
[17:01] <%Oreoboy1996> hmm?
[17:01] <Oceandrop> Yah
[17:01] <%melanieb> Beyond that...no way to be certain
[17:01] <Oceandrop> Also without reading
[17:01] <Oceandrop> I mean you can just imagine a perspective change
[17:01] <@Caenis> My mouse seems to have stopped working, soooooo acelegion I'll paste what Oreo said in a few minutes.
[17:01] <Oceandrop> or empathy
[17:01] <%melanieb> But I would presume people could even many thousands of years ago
[17:01] <acelegion> ok thanks
[17:02] <@RareCola> Are you handling the chat log, Caenis?
[17:02] <%Oreoboy1996> well what i said was for dream signs that don't appear in waking life
[17:02] <%Oreoboy1996> whenever you wake up from a dream where it appeared
[17:02] <%melanieb> Like that bear-dog that chased me the other night
[17:02] <%Oreoboy1996> you should think about that dream sign and say "i should have recognized that and become lucid"
[17:03] <%Oreoboy1996> and overtime you'll start to associate it the right way
[17:03] <acelegion> aah, I'll have to start doing that
[17:03] <Oceandrop> I did that after I woke up from a dream where I couldn't close a door first to say undiscovered
[17:03] <@Caenis> Here we go, thanks Oreo. Mouse fixed.
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[17:03] <%melanieb> My problem is that fantasy isn't all that hard for me to accept...so it wasn't the bizarre creature that brought me to lucidity but the movement of running from it
[17:03] <%Oreoboy1996> fantasy isn't that hard for me to accept either
[17:04] <%Oreoboy1996> since most of my dreams are fantasy
[17:04] <%melanieb> Therein lies the problem
[17:04] <@RareCola> I tend to find that the more unrealistic a dream is, the harder it is for me to become lucid
[17:04] <Oceandrop> haha yah, I guess if youre used to much daydreaming it will be harder to become lucid
[17:04] <%melanieb> ^^that
[17:04] <%Oreoboy1996> but i trained myself to realize it's not right anyways
[17:04] <%Oreoboy1996> i daydream too much
[17:04] <@RareCola> I don't think it's so much that the dream is unrealistic that stops lucidity, it's that these unrealistic dreams get us wrapped up in the story of them
[17:04] <fennecgirl> I have the same problem. I can only seem to get lucid if I'm at home.
[17:05] <@Caenis> All right, I"m going to log chat. Keep chatting folks!
[17:05] <%Oreoboy1996> i actually find lucidity easier away from home
[17:05] <fennecgirl> I guess because it's easier to tell if something's not right, since I'm often at home.
[17:05] <Oceandrop> Mhh
[17:05] <@Caenis> Oreoboy1996: Why is that?
[17:05] <fennecgirl> And I mean at home in the dream, by the way
[17:05] <%melanieb> Same for me
[17:05] <%melanieb> Wonder why
[17:05] <%Oreoboy1996> i think being in a different location and sleeping in a different bed gives me a better sense of awareness
[17:06] <fennecgirl> I meant dreaming of being at home, though.
[17:06] <%melanieb> I meant in the dream myself
[17:06] <Oceandrop> hehe
[17:06] <%Oreoboy1996> where as at home bedtime is just routine and i'm used to everything

Summary: Discussion of dream signs and whether acknowledging them helps to induce lucidity; SP and using anchors, HH during SP; TOTM; perspectives and fantasy in dreams.

#DVA Chat

Meeting tonight at 10pm GMT, 4pm CST for all you Europeans.

Friday, August 3rd, 4pm Chat.

Spoiler for [Chat Log]:

[22:03:20] <@opheliablue> so I've had gobs of dreams where I can't find any pants, but I never got lucid
[22:03:25] <@opheliablue> so check this out:
[22:03:37] <@opheliablue> last night it happened again, but I really was sleeping with no pants on (too hot)
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[22:03:56] <ccrinbama> You normally sleep in pants?
[22:03:58] <Mindraker> LOL ophelia I was reading your dream hahaha
[22:03:59] <@opheliablue> so I wonder if that influenced the dream, and I could try it again and really question when I don't have pants on lol
[22:04:08] <@opheliablue> ccrinbama: pajama pants
[22:04:15] <@opheliablue> with Eeyore on them
[22:04:20] <Mindraker> The clothing I wear does affect my dreams, too, opheliablue
[22:04:30] <@opheliablue> how?
[22:04:33] <%Oreoboy1996> i haven't noticed an effect on my dreams
[22:04:33] <Traumerei> What if you sleep naked?
[22:04:36] <@opheliablue> and your thoughts on this Oreoboy1996?
[22:04:38] <@opheliablue> oh
[22:04:41] <@realdealmagic> Welcome Traumerei.
[22:04:42] <%Oreoboy1996> except maybe once i was in my pajamas
[22:04:49] <%Oreoboy1996> which made me lucid i think
[22:04:53] <Traumerei> Thanks realdealmagic!
[22:04:57] <Mindraker> If I don't wear I shirt, I had a dream that my parents were forcing me to wear a napkin in a restaurant -- because I could feel the sheets more clearly.
[22:05:07] <@opheliablue> lol
[22:05:09] <@realdealmagic> Fecking love playing guitar. Sorry. My little bit off topic before I turn serious.
[22:05:13] realdealmagic puts on epic voice.
[22:05:15] <Mindraker> I was getting angry with my parents in the dream, haha
[22:05:29] <Xyvoch> hey traumerei
[22:05:36] <Xyvoch> hey mindraker
[22:05:38] <@opheliablue> yes speak epically and proclaimsoemthing
[22:05:44] <@opheliablue> oh guys, mom's here gotta go for a bit
[22:05:47] <Mindraker> Also, opheliablue I regularly feel my face mask as "goggles" in the dream.
[22:05:48] <@opheliablue> !brb
[22:05:49] opheliablue [[email protected]] is now known as opheliablue|BRB
[22:05:50] <Mindraker> Hey Xyvoch
[22:05:53] <@realdealmagic> Welcome one and all to the #DVA Class 2012! We have cookies in that corner, and cake in the other. Choose one, and one only. If you choose two, you SHALL be shot. Enjoy your stay as we talk about lots of interesting things!
[22:06:03] <Traumerei> Yo Xyvoch.
[22:06:06] <@realdealmagic> Let's get started properly
[22:06:09] <@realdealmagic> How's everyone's dreaming
[22:06:10] <@opheliablue|BRB> nvm false alarm
[22:06:12] <@opheliablue|BRB> !back
[22:06:13] opheliablue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as opheliablue
[22:06:15] <ccrinbama> So much recall last night.
[22:06:17] <Traumerei> *shot*
[22:06:19] <ccrinbama> For the first time in like a year.
[22:06:20] <ccrinbama> Feels good man.
[22:06:24] <@realdealmagic> Good ccrinbama!
[22:06:33] <@opheliablue> well spoken realdealmagic
[22:06:34] <Xyvoch> That's funny because your name means dreaming in german
[22:06:36] <%Oreoboy1996> well clearly the answer is to choose 3 cookies
[22:06:36] <@realdealmagic> You got 3 full dreams and 2 fragments right?
[22:06:44] <ccrinbama> Yep
[22:06:45] <ccrinbama> Sadly.
[22:06:49] <ccrinbama> That is the most I've had in a long, long time
[22:06:57] <@realdealmagic> But that little boost might be all you need.
[22:06:58] <%Oreoboy1996> if not, then the answer is to pick 1 and 3 quarters
[22:07:01] <fennecgirl> I could remember pieces of a bunch of dreams when I woke up... but they were all jumbled together. =/
[22:07:17] <@realdealmagic> Motivation's a big thing - keep a hold of it!
[22:07:20] <Traumerei> I think I just hit SP for the first time a few days ago.
[22:07:35] <@realdealmagic> fennecgirl: Yeah, it's pretty annoying when that happens. Maybe 5 minutes trying to concentrate could unjumble them?
[22:07:44] <Mindraker> My dreams are starting to get a little more adventurous.
[22:07:48] <@realdealmagic> fennecgirl: Then again, recall is still recall. Jumbled is better than nothing!
[22:07:53] <Traumerei> But I was sorta in a dream environment, so now I don't know if it really happened...
[22:07:54] <%Oreoboy1996> adventurous dreams are good
[22:07:55] <%Oreoboy1996> usually
[22:07:58] <@realdealmagic> Well done Traumerei! You doing WILD then?
[22:07:59] <ccrinbama> Who's name means dreaming in german, Xyvoch?
[22:08:05] <%Oreoboy1996> except for those times when you wind up in a cave full of giant spiders
[22:08:08] <%Oreoboy1996> then it's pretty horrible
[22:08:15] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: Adventurous dreams are fun shizzle.
[22:08:18] <Mindraker> Yeah, I think I'm starting to loosen up and realize that I can have fun with them, and that I can let go...
[22:08:27] <Traumerei> realdealmagic: I'm trying it occasionally.
[22:08:31] <fennecgirl> I tried; it was hard to separate them. It's easier if I wake up in the night, since I can usually remember which were before and after waking up.
[22:08:32] <Xyvoch> traumerei'S name
[22:08:37] <Mindraker> That's a pretty big jump for me, because I'm hard-rooted in reality.
[22:08:49] <@realdealmagic> Traumerei: I see. I'm doing the same thing!
[22:09:10] <Traumerei> Any luck? Pro tips?
[22:09:11] <@realdealmagic> Yeah fennecgirl, waking up straight after a dream always makes it easier to separate them. Maybe use autosuggestion to train your body?
[22:09:33] <fennecgirl> I usually wake up anyway. I just didn't last night.
[22:09:35] <@realdealmagic> Traumerei: Use a good anchor that means something to you. I'm far from pro, but a good anchor got me pretty far in.
[22:09:50] <@opheliablue> WILDs are tough.. have you read Sageous's class Traumerei?
[22:10:08] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: It's good to finally be able to loosen up then. Hopefully you'll keep going until it's all fun and games.
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[22:10:32] <Traumerei> opheliablue: I've taken a look at that, I think.
[22:10:35] <@opheliablue> (also realdealmagic, I can't stay long, I have to start dinner then RareCola and I have to work on podcast.. and set +i whenever you're ready)
[22:10:45] <@realdealmagic> Way ahead of you opheliablue.
[22:10:54] <Mindraker> Well I've enjoyed every bit of it... but I've got a *lot* of nostalgia and emotional things holding me down, I think. I need to let go of a lot, yet.
[22:10:55] <@opheliablue> RareCola swears by it, so definitely read his stuff if you're really set on WILD
[22:10:55] <@realdealmagic> And don't worry about it, i've got it.
[22:11:04] <@opheliablue> I'm more of a DILD, DEILDer if you want tips on that
[22:11:07] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, Sageous' stuff is really good for WILD.
[22:11:09] <%Oreoboy1996> !away
[22:11:09] Oreoboy1996 [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996|Away
[22:11:19] <@opheliablue> oh you're ahead of me
[22:11:27] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: Keep working on it, you'll get there eventually
[22:11:35] <Traumerei> I tried autosuggestion and it worked for a few nights when I was trying to wake up after a dream.
[22:11:47] <@realdealmagic> Hello JoeyBelgier.
[22:12:02] <JoeyBelgier> Sup
[22:12:08] <JoeyBelgier> This a lesson?
[22:12:08] <@realdealmagic> If you get your body used to the fact that you want to wake up, things should go well from there on in
[22:12:09] <Xyvoch> hey jb
[22:12:11] <@realdealmagic> Tis.
[22:12:27] <@opheliablue> hey JoeyBelgier
[22:12:38] <JoeyBelgier> Shit
[22:12:55] <JoeyBelgier> I'm kinda drunk at a party
[22:12:55] <@opheliablue> where?
[22:12:56] <Mindraker> My very short LD was clearly different... it was a completely different environment, a completely different subject, a different clarity... even a different amount of control, for a beginner like me. You'll know it when you get there. It took me quite by surprise.
[22:12:57] <@realdealmagic> Don't worry about it, it was all really short notice. Sent out the PM half an hour ago.
[22:13:15] <Mindraker> Hi JB
[22:13:31] <JoeyBelgier> OpheliaBlue?
[22:13:41] <@opheliablue> yes?
[22:13:55] <@opheliablue> o hshit he passed out
[22:13:58] <@realdealmagic> ^
[22:14:11] <@opheliablue> any moment we're gonna see "llllllllllllllllllllllllllllll"
[22:14:12] <Mindraker> Damn, opheliablue, you really knock the guys out.
[22:14:16] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Topic: General dreamingness."
[22:14:19] <JoeyBelgier> I'm not really interested in the lessons right now
[22:14:20] <@opheliablue> I can't help it
[22:14:25] <Xyvoch> Same for me
[22:14:33] <@opheliablue> want me to take your name off the pm list JoeyBelgier?
[22:14:42] <Xyvoch> The topics aren't always my favourites
[22:14:54] <@opheliablue> what would you like to talk about instead?
[22:14:55] <JoeyBelgier> Yes please, it goes straight to my e-mails
[22:14:59] <@opheliablue> sure np
[22:15:04] <@realdealmagic> Xyvoch, the topics go with what the conversation is about. Bring something up and we'll talk about it
[22:15:10] <Xyvoch>
[22:15:14] <JoeyBelgier> I'll probably rejoin later
[22:15:21] <@realdealmagic> No bother. Remember to use /knock.
[22:15:23] <Xyvoch> I'll try to participate
[22:15:24] <@opheliablue> I'm currently working on revamping the class with rarecola, and I may start a thread in the Intro class where students can request topics
[22:15:34] <@opheliablue> we repeat them alot since the class is so ongoing
[22:15:52] <JoeyBelgier> Cba to record a dj in my holidays anyways, so my workbook doesnt proceed for shit
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[22:16:37] <@realdealmagic> Anyone have any topics they want to talk about?
[22:16:42] <Mindraker> Yeah, I'm not too diligent with my workbook, either.
[22:16:56] <Mindraker> As long as I keep my DJ up-to-date, I consider myself happy.
[22:17:19] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: An up to date DJ is just as useful. Don't worry about your workbook too much, it's just a good way for us to get in contact with you when classes aren't running.
[22:17:27] <JoeyBelgier> Thx in advance Opheliablue
[22:17:30] <Mindraker> I see
[22:17:30] <@opheliablue> yesterday we were talking abotu dreamsigns and reality checks
[22:17:39] <@opheliablue> and some of you guys weren't there for that one
[22:17:43] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> !back
[22:17:44] Oreoboy1996|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996
[22:17:48] <@opheliablue> they work for some and not for others, what are your experiences/
[22:17:51] <@opheliablue> wb Oreoboy1996
[22:18:04] <JoeyBelgier> Do any of you guys use totems? Inception style.
[22:18:13] <%Oreoboy1996> dream signs get me luce more than half the time
[22:18:21] <Mindraker> Reality checks have kind of fizzled for me, but dreamsigns have been very strong for me, because I see recurring themes and characters in my dreams.
[22:18:23] <%Oreoboy1996> lucid
[22:18:27] <%Oreoboy1996> don't know how i typed luce
[22:18:35] <@opheliablue> lol
[22:18:38] <ccrinbama> Dream Signs have never really been of a massive amount of use for me, as I was into wilding.
[22:18:49] <ccrinbama> Waking RCs are a good way to keep me thinking about LD induction throughout the day, though.
[22:18:50] <@opheliablue> yes, bizarre weather really trips my lucidity
[22:18:53] <ccrinbama> Which is a pretty big deal.
[22:19:11] <Mindraker> Bizarre weather? Could you give an example?
[22:19:12] <@opheliablue> and Oreoboy1996 had a technique for helping you get lucid from dream signs that you DON'T see in real life normally
[22:19:15] <@realdealmagic> If you have dream signs and want to make more use of them , you should see paigeyemps thread on Incubating Dream Signs: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/incuba...-signs-134585/
[22:19:20] <@opheliablue> Mindraker: tornadoes mostly
[22:19:24] <Mindraker> ah, ok
[22:19:39] <@opheliablue> yesterday a guy mentioned dreaming that he wrecked cars alot, but didn't happen irl
[22:19:46] <Mindraker> That sounds like you "have a lot on your mind" you are processing at night.
[22:20:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i also have a lot of car crashes
[22:20:26] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Dream Signs and Reality Checks - Peoples' experiences."
[22:20:29] <%Oreoboy1996> when i'm in a car crash i'm not surprised and instantly become lucid
[22:20:35] <@realdealmagic> I've only driven once, and didn't crash then. Only blew up a building afterwards.
[22:20:38] <%Oreoboy1996> had too many of them
[22:21:22] <@realdealmagic> Poor orphans.
[22:21:26] <Mindraker> LOL
[22:21:30] <@realdealmagic>
[22:22:11] <ccrinbama> The only reality check I've ever been prompted to do in a dream passed.
[22:22:19] <ccrinbama> It said I wasn't dreaming, and I went about my business, never becoming lucid.
[22:22:56] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, a few people have that problem ccrinbama.
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[22:23:04] <Mindraker> Hm... that actually makes me wonder... what actually *made* me become lucid in my lucid dream?
[22:23:06] <@realdealmagic> That's why awareness is key to Lucid Dreaming.
[22:23:20] <Mindraker> I don't remember.
[22:23:36] <@realdealmagic> Probably just you noticing - "Wait a sec, this is all some weird shit."
[22:23:40] <@realdealmagic> Pink elephants, shit like that.
[22:24:07] <Mindraker> LOL, that could be... lol. Like a dream of my dad talking naked to me in an otherwise empty house we used to own... telling me we gave away our sofas.
[22:24:24] <Xyvoch> Can we talk about ada ?
[22:24:25] <@realdealmagic> ...Yeah. DILD like a boss.
[22:24:28] <@realdealmagic> Sure Xyv
[22:24:42] <@realdealmagic> For those of you who don't know, ADA, is All Day Awareness.
[22:25:16] <@realdealmagic> Here's a link for a more in depth explanation: http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/all-da...gyoshi-113253/
[22:25:21] <Mindraker> OK so what's the question
[22:25:22] <Xyvoch> So all day is maybe too much for me, its more like every 20 mins
[22:25:37] <@realdealmagic> All day tends to be too much for everyone.
[22:25:45] <%Oreoboy1996> baby steps
[22:25:51] <@realdealmagic> But every 20 minutes is really often, so you build your way up.
[22:25:53] <%Oreoboy1996> if it's too much then you might as well turn it down a bit
[22:26:03] <%Oreoboy1996> find your comfort level
[22:26:04] <Xyvoch> you do ada magic?
[22:26:24] <@realdealmagic> I practice my awareness when I remember. My motivation's real low at the moment, so not for the past few days.
[22:26:36] <@realdealmagic> I do SAT though, basically ADA every hour or so for about 5 minutes.
[22:26:47] <Xyvoch> yeah thats what i do to
[22:26:48] <ccrinbama> What does SAT stand for?
[22:26:55] <Xyvoch> It's simplier
[22:26:58] <%Oreoboy1996> sporadic awareness technique
[22:27:05] <Mindraker> Here's what I think about ADA: Reality checks by poking the palm of my hand with my fingers don't give me lucidity. However, slowly becoming more aware of all the stuff I readily ignore all around me every day makes me "aware" whether or not I'm awake or asleep.
[22:27:29] <@realdealmagic> That's the idea behind it Mindraker, yeah
[22:27:44] <@realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue's internet is being a "butt", she says sorry, and she's working on it.
[22:27:54] <Xyvoch> but i think the dreams are like stealing my awarennes thoughts
[22:28:08] <%Oreoboy1996> well awareness is lucid dreaming, so a technique that focuses directly on it is usually more effective
[22:28:17] <Xyvoch> Like i'm as dumb as when i watch an epic movie
[22:28:24] <Mindraker> For instance, paying attention to the birds chirping, the crickets making crickety noises, the trees around you, the smell of freshly cut grass, the worm slowly crawling on the ground, the sun rising, the morning star every morning, and so on.
[22:28:47] <Xyvoch> and your breath
[22:28:51] <Xyvoch> your heartbeats
[22:28:58] <%Oreoboy1996> and your spine
[22:29:02] <%Oreoboy1996> bet you didn't think of that >.>
[22:29:09] <Mindraker> Yeah, it kind of slows the world down a little bit, and makes it just a little more pleasant.
[22:29:09] <Xyvoch> actualy i think feeling my body is essential but thats because of my ds...
[22:29:35] <Mindraker> It's actually kind of nice to go bicycle riding and *watch* the morning star fade every morning.
[22:30:00] <@realdealmagic> Don't forget that self awareness is just as important - if not more so - than outward awareness.
[22:30:03] <Xyvoch> everytime i do sat while on my bike it's like discovering life
[22:30:25] <@realdealmagic> Yeah, awareness really makes you notice how beautiful the planet really is, regardless of where you are.
[22:30:26] <%Oreoboy1996> and then you have inner awareness of your own mind
[22:30:44] <@realdealmagic> Exactly Oreo.
[22:30:46] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: or how disgusting some parts of it are
[22:31:00] <Mindraker> I'm not trying to sound like some kind of flake; it's just... take a moment to stop and breathe. It actually is kind of nice. I think everyone should stop and take a moment to appreciate the beauty of the world around them.
[22:31:02] <@realdealmagic> That too - but it's like being awake for the first time ever when you really notice.
[22:31:10] Exotiraan hopes he will get lucid tomorrow.
[22:31:15] Exotiraan almost did tonight.
[22:31:20] <@realdealmagic> As does everyone Exo, as does everyone
[22:31:32] <Exotiraan> I knoticed tht everything was wrong, but a panicked and woke up.
[22:31:40] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Awareness"
[22:31:42] <%Oreoboy1996> well everyone except for those few who have oddly bad experiences with lucid dreaming
[22:31:43] <Exotiraan> Then realized what happenend and tried to go back to sleep.
[22:31:51] <Xyvoch> Because the people nowaday just do and do and do and never think of the environnement and his mind
[22:31:55] <%Oreoboy1996> but i'm just being overly technical about everything for no reason so ignore me >.>
[22:32:03] <Mindraker> lol
[22:32:07] <@realdealmagic> You don't have to have a reason, I like technicalities. They make me think mroe.
[22:32:15] Mindraker needs to have more inner awareness, like you suggested
[22:32:41] <@realdealmagic> Not even necessarily "inner" awareness. Just even awareness of your own body.
[22:32:48] <@realdealmagic> Like, how heavy your feet are.
[22:32:56] <Xyvoch> or gravity
[22:32:57] <@realdealmagic> What does it feel like when gravity pushes you towards the ground?
[22:33:04] <Xyvoch>
[22:33:05] <%Oreoboy1996> it doesn't push
[22:33:07] <%Oreoboy1996> it pulls
[22:33:13] <Xyvoch> ^
[22:33:14] <@realdealmagic> It feels like a push.
[22:33:15] <Mindraker> I think we all become more aware of our bodies as we get older.
[22:33:17] <@realdealmagic> Anyway, I know this
[22:33:22] <%Oreoboy1996> nah it feels a lot more like a pull right now
[22:33:25] <@realdealmagic> I just made a silly mistake
[22:33:27] <@realdealmagic> QUIET YOU.
[22:33:28] <%Oreoboy1996> with a slight clingy feeling
[22:33:30] <%Oreoboy1996>
[22:33:33] <ccrinbama> Heh
[22:33:33] <Xyvoch> I'm the youngest here D:
[22:33:37] <@realdealmagic> I am supermod, I shall ban <_<
[22:33:42] <@realdealmagic> I kid, I <3 you.
[22:33:47] realdealmagic eats oreo.
[22:33:56] <ccrinbama> Checkmate.
[22:34:01] <fennecgirl> Xyvoch: Really? How old are you?
[22:34:06] <@realdealmagic> Age doesn't really matter too much.
[22:34:10] <Mindraker> Well, doesn't gravity both pull your foot to the ground *and* the ground to your foot?
[22:34:11] <@realdealmagic> In fact, it doesn't matter at all.
[22:34:13] <Xyvoch> 14 D:
[22:34:19] <@realdealmagic> No Mindraker.
[22:34:20] <ccrinbama> In a very, very limited sense, Mind.
[22:34:23] <Xyvoch> Yeah magic is right
[22:34:25] <@realdealmagic> The ground's being pulled away, actually.
[22:34:34] <ccrinbama> Every atom interacts with every other atom that exists.
[22:34:38] <ccrinbama> And exerts force on it.
[22:34:44] Mindraker changes the topic to: Gravity: to pull or not to pull?
[22:34:53] <@realdealmagic> I know ccrinbama, I did higher chemistry.
[22:34:55] <@realdealmagic> but guys, back on topic.
[22:35:01] <@realdealmagic> Less physics, more LD.
[22:35:04] <%Oreoboy1996> first we must ask ourselves
[22:35:08] <%Oreoboy1996> what is gravity?
[22:35:11] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[22:35:14] <ccrinbama> Let's not.
[22:35:19] <%Oreoboy1996> sorry, had to throw that in
[22:35:21] <ccrinbama> That's a topic of madness.
[22:35:27] <@realdealmagic> It's not age that matters so much fennecgirl, it's maturity.
[22:35:31] <%Oreoboy1996> which is why i love it ccrinbama
[22:35:32] <@realdealmagic> Seriously guys, head back on topic please.
[22:35:35] <Exotiraan> Oreoboy1996: To the Hardon Collider!
[22:35:44] <Mindraker> Yeah, let's not get into Space-time and Einsteinian physics...
[22:35:49] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: yep, i'm 16 but people say i act a lot older than i am
[22:35:58] <Xyvoch> You do
[22:36:09] <@realdealmagic> I can't really say how you act, all I can see is letters that you type.
[22:36:15] <Exotiraan> Oreoboy1996 has the impartiality of a debate moderator.
[22:36:30] <ccrinbama> It's true about maturity in relation to LDing, though.
[22:36:44] <ccrinbama> You can be an adult with no discipline regarding working towards something that can be so frustrating at time.
[22:36:46] <ccrinbama> And make no progress.
[22:36:54] <%Oreoboy1996> well the way i ACT isn't human i suppose, but generally the way i think is more mature
[22:36:55] <ccrinbama> While a 13 year old can grit his teeth and put the work in.
[22:36:58] <@realdealmagic> Precisely.
[22:37:09] <@realdealmagic> Anyway, any more questions on awareness?
[22:37:15] <Exotiraan> He could be a good politician with his lack of absolutisms.
[22:37:31] <%Oreoboy1996> but i hate politics >.>
[22:37:44] <%Oreoboy1996> and i am not aware of any other awareness questions
[22:38:14] <Mindraker> This has been a pretty cool lesson
[22:38:30] <@realdealmagic> Okay, anyone have anything else they want to bring up? ADA was a good suggestion Xyvoch.
[22:38:34] <Xyvoch> not reyll on topic though
[22:38:43] <@realdealmagic> I know, motivation.
[22:38:50] <Xyvoch> Yeah goo one
[22:38:53] <@realdealmagic> What do you all do to keep your motivation up? We all lose it at times.
[22:38:54] <Xyvoch> dood*
[22:39:01] <@realdealmagic> I've lost mine at the moment, help me out here.
[22:39:03] <Xyvoch> Sry i'm... horrible at typing
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[22:39:09] <Xyvoch> Magic
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[22:39:20] <ccrinbama> For me, RDM, it's just discipline.
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[22:39:30] <ccrinbama> It switches to it becoming a position of almost being work every day.
[22:39:32] <@realdealmagic> Hello Pastelpeach.
[22:39:34] <Xyvoch> It's simply the flight in a ld that should motivate you
[22:39:35] <ccrinbama> And I just make myself do it.
[22:39:35] <%Oreoboy1996> one of my biggest motivators is probably competition
[22:39:39] <Pastelpeach> Hi guys
[22:39:41] <%Oreoboy1996> but that isn't always available
[22:39:51] <%Oreoboy1996> so my other motivation is to set goals for myself
[22:39:54] <@realdealmagic> I see what you mean ccrinbama, I think I need to do that.
[22:39:57] <Mindraker> What I did to get my motivation up... to start my dream recall: If I had a dream recall, I ate a candy corn while logging my dream. And if I didn't have a dream recall, I didn't eat a candy corn.
[22:40:00] <ccrinbama> I mean, it sucks as an answer.
[22:40:04] <ccrinbama> And I hate to put it forward as one.
[22:40:08] <Mindraker> I very quickly had much better dream recall.
[22:40:11] <ccrinbama> But it's the best I'm personally able to come up with.
[22:40:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm also motivated when it comes to figuring out something i don't understand
[22:40:15] <@realdealmagic> It's a good answer ccrinbama.
[22:40:24] <%Oreoboy1996> and i don't understand everything about lucid dreaming yet
[22:40:28] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: Positive reinforcement, good one.
[22:40:35] <Mindraker> Maybe I should do the same thing with lucid dreaming...
[22:40:35] <@realdealmagic> Yeah Oreo, something that you have to work out?
[22:40:40] <ccrinbama> Plus, it's just a passive phase, anyway.
[22:40:44] <ccrinbama> Which is also shitty and hard to keep in mind.
[22:40:45] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah, i'm naturally a problem solver
[22:40:50] <@realdealmagic> As am I
[22:40:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't survive without something to solve >.>
[22:40:57] <Xyvoch> for me the dreamguide mystery was good to motivate a while ago
[22:41:02] <ccrinbama> But the lack of motivation is passive, and the future you that gets excited again will be pissed off at you for getting out of practice.
[22:41:10] <@realdealmagic> Don't tell me something's impossible, cos I'll find a way.
[22:41:12] <ccrinbama> I always think of pissing off future me.
[22:41:23] <@realdealmagic> I see what you mean ccrinbama. I might use that actually.
[22:41:25] <ccrinbama> In regards to most of life's frustrations.
[22:41:38] <Mindraker> realdealmagic: then it is impossible to become lucid
[22:41:47] <Xyvoch> haha x)
[22:41:58] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: You shall be proven wrong!
[22:41:58] <ccrinbama> Also.
[22:42:02] <@realdealmagic>
[22:42:03] <ccrinbama> Accountability is big, RDM.
[22:42:06] <Mindraker> ;DDDD
[22:42:07] <@realdealmagic> Accountability?
[22:42:11] <ccrinbama> UPdate your DJ every night, even if you fail miserably.
[22:42:11] <@realdealmagic> In what context?
[22:42:14] <ccrinbama> Talk about your posts with other people.
[22:42:18] <Exotiraan> Motivation for LDing?
[22:42:20] <ccrinbama> Draw attention to yourself when you fuck up.
[22:42:24] <ccrinbama> Accountability is motivation for anything.
[22:42:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i have dreaming motivation
[22:42:35] <%Oreoboy1996> but no writing motivation at all
[22:42:38] <@realdealmagic> Yes Exo.
[22:42:42] <%Oreoboy1996> i still haven't even started my dj entry for the totm
[22:42:44] <Mindraker> Even write your most tiny dream recall in your dream journal, while you are starting off. Start off with dreams you've had years ago...
[22:43:00] <Mindraker> And if you remember a dream from a long time ago, write it down. It will help you remember.
[22:43:14] <ccrinbama> If you know people are subscribed to your workbook, and you start posting your accounts from evey night, that accountability may drive you to do better.
[22:43:19] <ccrinbama> I have a very gritty version of motivation.
[22:43:23] <ccrinbama> When I'm doing poorly at something.
[22:43:33] <Exotiraan> realdealmagic: The realization that you effectively have a reality virtual machine running in your head.
[22:44:00] <@realdealmagic> Haha Exo xD
[22:44:00] <Mindraker> I mean... I just remembered a dream yesterday of a dream I had in 3rd grade of me wearing my monkey slippers to school (I just turned 35 years old 2 months ago).
[22:44:15] <@realdealmagic> Haha :L
[22:44:16] <JoeyBelgier> XD
[22:44:16] <Mindraker> So you'll never know what old dreams can pop back into your head.
[22:44:21] <@realdealmagic> Yeah.
[22:44:25] <@realdealmagic> Okay. Thanks everyone xD
[22:44:25] <Exotiraan> It doesn't come with a «man» page, but if you can learn how to use it and all of its odd nuances, you can do some interesting things with it.
[22:44:29] <fennecgirl> I randomly remember old dreams sometimes
[22:44:52] <@realdealmagic> So do I, they just pop up sometimes. It's strange.
[22:45:20] <fennecgirl> Sometimes something triggers the recall, but, other times, it's just random
[22:45:34] <@realdealmagic> Probably your brain exercising your neurons and going, "Oh, forgot this was there! Here! *hands to person*"
[22:45:47] <fennecgirl> Like when I was hiking through the woods the other day and randomly remembered this dream I had in, like, fourth grade, where I dreamed that my school was a spaceship
[22:45:54] <Mindraker> I was talking to my landlady in my slippers (in real life) and she looked at my slippers... that's what triggered the memory.
[22:46:14] <fennecgirl> It wasn't even a dream I really even thought about much afterwards
[22:46:27] <Pastelpeach> do you guys write dreams down every time you wake up?
[22:46:34] <Mindraker> yeah
[22:46:42] <Mindraker> immediately upon waking
[22:46:51] <fennecgirl> Usually, I wait until the morning and then post straight to DV
[22:46:55] <ccrinbama> I have to wait for my pc to turn on.
[22:47:01] <ccrinbama> WHich actually was useful for me this morning.
[22:47:05] <@realdealmagic> I haven't for a long time Pastelpeach. I need to get myself back into the swing of things.
[22:47:15] <Mindraker> I've got my DJ right next to my bed, so I'll write something down even if I have to go pee
[22:47:40] <@realdealmagic> Even just a few words to help you remember later
[22:47:44] <%Oreoboy1996> Pastelpeach: i used to, but i just rely on my normal recall most of the time now
[22:47:46] <Pastelpeach> I see, I write them down on my phone but it's hard to do it every time i wake up :/
[22:47:57] <%Oreoboy1996> don't really write many notes anymore
[22:48:08] <@realdealmagic> If it's too hard, try just writing down a few words to help you rmember, and type it up later.
[22:48:24] <Mindraker> Hardest thing for me is reading my handwriting in the morning
[22:48:33] <%Oreoboy1996> realdealmagic: lucky for me i'm too lazy to even do that anymore
[22:48:36] <@realdealmagic> Haha, yeah Mindraker.
[22:48:42] <@realdealmagic> Oreo: Lucky for you, you're a pro.
[22:49:21] <%Oreoboy1996> all skill >.>
[22:49:25] <Mindraker> I have micrographia (tiny handwriting) and it's never been pretty, even while I'm awake.
[22:49:38] <@realdealmagic> I can't believe there's a name for that.
[22:49:44] realdealmagic stores it in memory forever.
[22:49:49] <ccrinbama> That's pretty awesome.
[22:49:52] <ccrinbama> Yea, that's a great word.
[22:50:06] <Mindraker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrographia_(handwriting)
[22:50:09] <Mindraker> LOL
[22:50:18] <Mindraker> Yup, that's me
[22:50:22] <@realdealmagic> I'm sorry to tell you, but..
[22:50:26] <@realdealmagic> You have micrographia.
[22:50:29] <Pastelpeach> I think I'll try to write down keywords first haha whenever i wake up, i just think about the dream
[22:50:34] <@realdealmagic> "Oh shit! Am I gonna die?!"
[22:50:52] <@realdealmagic> Yeah Pastelpeach. just think about the dream, then when you get memories, write down things to trigger your memory.
[22:51:10] <ccrinbama> I don't trust my memory that much.
[22:51:15] <ccrinbama> She's a harsh mistress.
[22:51:20] <ccrinbama> I have to record it then and there.
[22:51:34] <@realdealmagic> Everyone's different like that ccrinbama
[22:51:43] <@realdealmagic> Thank you all for turning up at such short notice by the way
[22:51:45] <Mindraker> One nice thing about writing things down, is that if I have a dream I don't like... just don't write it down
[22:51:48] <ccrinbama> No problem.
[22:51:50] <Mindraker> and I can forget it
[22:51:59] <ccrinbama> A nice way to get my mind moving towards LD
[22:52:44] realdealmagic invited Apiks into channel #DVA
[22:53:03] <%Oreoboy1996> Mindraker: that doesn't work for me
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[22:53:13] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Apiks
[22:53:13] <Pastelpeach> every time i wake up, i'll remember less and less about my first dream...
[22:53:19] <@realdealmagic> Mindraker: If I focus on not writing it, I tend to remember it more because I've already focused on it.
[22:53:21] <Apiks> Hello.
[22:53:24] <fennecgirl> Oreo: Same for me =/
[22:53:26] <@realdealmagic> Yeah Pastelpeach, that's why writing a lot helps things
[22:53:33] <fennecgirl> and hi apiks
[22:53:33] <@realdealmagic> Hello Apiks. We're just talking about DJs.
[22:53:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i've trained myself to remember things without writing
[22:53:50] <Mindraker> Yeah I tried to deliberately remember things in my head, and that just didn't work
[22:53:52] <%Oreoboy1996> well for dreams i don't care about much they only stay in my memory for about a couple days
[22:54:00] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Writing in a Dream Journal"
[22:54:02] <Apiks> Wonderful. I found mine about a week ago after I lost it.
[22:54:04] <Pastelpeach> i hope to write them down now instead of rolling over and continue sleeping
[22:54:15] <@realdealmagic> Always good to find things after you lose them rather than before.
[22:54:28] <@realdealmagic> You have to really force yourself Pastelpeach, just remember what you're aiming towards.
[22:54:32] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe i'll try harder at WBTB and taking notes
[22:54:46] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll probably find out i'm having 5 more lucid dreams than usual
[22:54:50] <Mindraker> One night I was like, "gee, for once my pillow feels just how I want it to..." then I realized my DJ was underneath the pillow. No wonder the pillow felt nice.
[22:54:51] <Pastelpeach> Alright, I will
[22:55:51] <@realdealmagic> Haha Mindraker. That's where I keep mine
[22:56:53] <@realdealmagic> Okay, any more questions from anyone?
[22:57:08] <Mindraker> That's it for me...
[22:57:22] <@realdealmagic> I'm going to assume the silence means yes.
[22:57:26] <Mindraker> (meaning of life... how to be a millionaire...)
[22:57:26] <@realdealmagic> Class dismissed!
[22:57:29] <@realdealmagic> 42.
[22:57:39] <Mindraker>
[22:57:40] ccrinbama throws his books all over the lawn.
[22:57:40] <@realdealmagic> Think that went well for my first class on my own
[22:57:56] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Next Class: TBA"
[22:57:56] <fennecgirl> Definitely!
[22:57:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i helped >.>
[22:57:58] <ccrinbama> Professor RDM
[22:57:59] Mindraker congratulates you on a class well done.
[22:58:02] <@realdealmagic> No. No you did not.
[22:58:10] <ccrinbama> heh
[22:58:10] <%Oreoboy1996> you forget that i am the lucid coach
[22:58:14] <@realdealmagic> I did this on my own. IT WAS MY ACCOMPLISHMENT.
[22:58:16] <%Oreoboy1996> though a bit lazy
[22:58:18] <@realdealmagic> LEAVE ME WITH IT
[22:58:24] <@realdealmagic> Haha, thanks :L
[22:58:27] <%Oreoboy1996>
[22:58:39] realdealmagic [[email protected]] has set channel mode -i
[22:58:40] <ccrinbama> It's time..
[22:58:48] <ccrinbama> For The Political Machine 2012!
[22:59:00] <@realdealmagic> Now starts the orgy after class.
[22:59:03] <%Oreoboy1996> go to #LucidDreaming for milk and cookies and on topic discussion
[22:59:05] <ccrinbama> Preorder has been sitting in my steam library for so long.
[22:59:09] Oreoboy1996 slaps realdealmagic
[22:59:12] <ccrinbama> post class orgy
[22:59:15] realdealmagic gets turned on.
[22:59:16] <ccrinbama> Is why we all come to class.
[22:59:16] <ccrinbama> Right?
[22:59:20] <%Oreoboy1996> ...
[22:59:23] <@realdealmagic> Mmm. Yes. Love these orgys.
[22:59:24] <@realdealmagic> Orgies?
[22:59:26] <@realdealmagic> Hmm
[22:59:29] realdealmagic googles.
[22:59:30] <ccrinbama> Orgies, I think
[22:59:30] <Exotiraan> 1659.17 ccrinbama » Is why we all come to class.
[22:59:35] <ccrinbama> To the internet!
[22:59:37] <%Oreoboy1996> !away from realdealmagic and to do chores
[22:59:38] Oreoboy1996 [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996|Away
[22:59:53] <ccrinbama> Oreo, no need to fight your emotions.
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[23:00:26] <Mindraker> OK everyone, see you around.
[23:00:28] <@realdealmagic> Into #LucidDreaming for on topicness if you wish. I'll be active there for a bit
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[23:00:29] <ccrinbama> Cya
[23:00:36] <@realdealmagic> Thanks for turning up everyone!
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A very successful first, if I do say so myself

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Monday, August 6th, at 3pm CST
• Tuesday, August 7th, at 8pm CST

Monday, August 6th, 3pm Chat:

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[15:01:36] <%Oreoboy1996> welcome back
[15:01:53] <@OpheliaBlue> hi there
[15:02:05] <%melanieb> A pleasant shower?
[15:02:18] <@OpheliaBlue> I sent the PM.. we got a bunch of new sign-ups over the weekend
[15:02:29] <%Oreoboy1996> always good
[15:02:48] <%melanieb> I hope they find it.
[15:02:48] <@OpheliaBlue> if we get a handful of newer students, I'd like to cover some of the layers of lucidity again
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[15:03:06] <@OpheliaBlue> speak of the devil
[15:03:06] <Samadhi> Hello there
[15:03:10] <@OpheliaBlue> hi acelegion
[15:03:14] <%melanieb> Have you ever created a message that tells students how to join the chat classes?
[15:03:16] <acelegion> hia
[15:03:16] <@OpheliaBlue> and welcoem to DVA Samadhi!
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[15:03:22] <%melanieb> Channels and stuff like that?
[15:03:28] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: yes I did that last week I believe
[15:03:38] <@OpheliaBlue> welcome fennecgirl
[15:03:40] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't know why i'm greeting people in #LucidDreaming when they're all coming here >.>
[15:03:48] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe
[15:03:59] <%melanieb> Cool
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[15:04:15] <@OpheliaBlue> hi DorianMask
[15:04:27] <DorianMask> Greetings
[15:04:44] <Samadhi> Is it possible to join this via an external IRC client?
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[15:04:50] <%melanieb> Yes
[15:05:01] <%melanieb> I use IceChat
[15:05:07] <%melanieb> Aly!
[15:05:21] <@OpheliaBlue> Aly!
[15:05:27] <Samadhi> melanieb: Where can I see the network etc? I'm not too good with IRC.. :p
[15:05:30] <&Alyzarin> hey ^_^
[15:05:40] <&Alyzarin> what's up?
[15:05:56] <%Oreoboy1996> we're just waiting for more people
[15:06:01] <%melanieb> Do you have a client?
[15:06:06] <Samadhi> Yep
[15:06:07] <@OpheliaBlue> there's a thread that explains the irc clients in depth, I'll find it for you Samadhi unless someone else does first
[15:06:09] <&Alyzarin> ah, cool
[15:06:16] <%melanieb> I was about to go look for it also
[15:06:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ok cool thanks
[15:06:28] <@OpheliaBlue> by Jef77 I believe
[15:06:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Jeff777*
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[15:06:44] <%melanieb> http://www.dreamviews.com/f17/our-sh...rc-chat-91226/
[15:06:52] <@RareCola> elo all
[15:06:55] <Samadhi> Thanks :3
[15:07:01] <ACMEAnimator> Hello
[15:07:13] <%melanieb> I keep that bookmarked
[15:07:14] <@OpheliaBlue> hey RareCola
[15:07:19] <@OpheliaBlue> and ACMEAnimator
[15:07:36] <@RareCola> I've been trying and failing at drawing a tree
[15:07:43] <@OpheliaBlue> awwwww
[15:07:44] <%Oreoboy1996> treeeeee
[15:07:58] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah Oreoboy1996, he had a badass tree dream
[15:08:10] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I think I'm ready to get started, we got a good bunch of folks, old and new
[15:08:11] <%Oreoboy1996> yay i wasn't the only one who had dreams
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[15:08:58] <Samadhi> aaand done.
[15:09:05] <@OpheliaBlue> this is especially for you newer students, like Samadhi , acelegion, DorianMask
[15:09:13] <%Oreoboy1996> "
[15:09:16] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Samadhi
[15:09:17] <%melanieb>
[15:09:19] <@RareCola> Ah yes we have a lot of new people in class
[15:09:27] <%Oreoboy1996> oops hit the keyboard with a pillow
[15:09:31] <@OpheliaBlue> How many folks here have heard of Reece's "Layers of Lucidity" ??
[15:09:36] Oreoboy1996 raises hand
[15:09:40] <&Alyzarin> I have!
[15:09:45] <acelegion> Nope :/
[15:09:49] <ACMEAnimator> um...
[15:09:56] <@OpheliaBlue> when you guys have time, check out this thread and the videos: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/layers-lucidity-131625/
[15:10:20] <@OpheliaBlue> Reece structures what he believes to be the different levels of lucidity into 5 layers
[15:10:34] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't really remember which layer means what though
[15:10:40] <@OpheliaBlue> it's not always 100% perfect accurate for everyone, but some things I find to be true across the board
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[15:10:59] <%Oreoboy1996> hello alexpoles
[15:11:03] <@OpheliaBlue> For example, has anyone here ever had a dream where you or other characters were discussing lucid dreaming?
[15:11:06] <alexpoles> hello all.
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[15:11:08] <@OpheliaBlue> hi alexpoles
[15:11:08] <acelegion> I'll have to watch that later
[15:11:11] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Paperplane
[15:11:13] <@OpheliaBlue> and Paperplane
[15:11:18] <DorianMask> I have thought on the topic, makes sense it would have been explored
[15:11:20] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: yes
[15:11:24] <%Oreoboy1996> quite a few times
[15:11:28] <Paperplane> Hello you
[15:11:30] <@OpheliaBlue> oooo let me start again, we're discussing Reece's Layers of Lucidity: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/layers-lucidity-131625/
[15:11:44] <@OpheliaBlue> after class, please try to watch the videos
[15:11:56] <%Oreoboy1996> i remember once a couple years ago when i first learned about lucid dreaming i had a dream where i was telling my sister what lucid dreaming was
[15:12:03] <@OpheliaBlue> same question for all you who just got here:
[15:12:08] <alexpoles> Already got a tab opened for it.
[15:12:09] <@OpheliaBlue> [15:11:03] <@OpheliaBlue> For example, has anyone here ever had a dream where you or other characters were discussing lucid dreaming?
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[15:12:27] <&Alyzarin> I've had one before, but it made me lucid lol
[15:12:28] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Oceandrop
[15:12:29] <@OpheliaBlue> hey derpypoo
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[15:12:32] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Mindraker
[15:12:37] <Mindraker> hiya hiya
[15:12:38] <Oceandrop> Hey :3
[15:12:38] <DorianMask> oh yeah, kind of, more like trying to teach my dc's rc's and so on
[15:12:40] <@OpheliaBlue> good Alyzarin, that was going to be my next point!
[15:12:43] <%melanieb> Yes
[15:12:44] <alexpoles> Ihello oceandrop, Mindraker.
[15:12:53] <fennecgirl> I have
[15:13:01] <Oceandrop> hello alexpoles
[15:13:04] <@OpheliaBlue> A dream that addresses the topic of lucidity, but never becomes a lucid dream, is a Layer Zero lucid dream
[15:13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> and ofter, a real lucid dream follows that night or a night soon there after
[15:13:26] <acelegion> Ive tried getting lucid in a dream before
[15:13:30] <DorianMask> I feel like i acknowledge its a dream, but theres no real lucid control
[15:13:33] <@OpheliaBlue> DorianMask: oh really? You tried to teach a DC to RC? cool
[15:13:38] <alexpoles> Is that really consistent?
[15:14:06] <alexpoles> That you get a LD a few nights after?
[15:14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> alexpoles: not 100%, but usually dreams that have lucidity as a topic, tends to become part of a build up
[15:14:18] <ACMEAnimator> Oh my gosh! That's it! I just put this in my workbook and I didn't know what it was until now.
[15:14:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I wouldn't have the actual stats on that though
[15:14:37] <alexpoles> Yeah, I understand.
[15:14:48] <@OpheliaBlue> I notice it with alot of students though, myself included
[15:15:12] <@OpheliaBlue> And dreams where you know you have becoem lucid, but have little or no control, is a layer 1 (I believe)
[15:15:20] <Paperplane> I had something like that ones, I can't decide if I were Lucid or just dreamt that I knew I as dreaming..
[15:15:27] <ACMEAnimator> Same here Paperplane
[15:15:39] <fennecgirl> I've had a couple of those
[15:15:48] <@RareCola> In that case I should be having a lucidity explosion soon.... I keep having dreams about lucid dreaming :l
[15:15:49] <alexpoles> Yeah, Definitely had some layer 1's.
[15:15:55] <Samadhi> I'm just wondering how differntiating between those layers helps me with LDing? Or is this purely "informative"?
[15:16:00] <&Alyzarin> if you knew that you were dreaming, then you're lucid
[15:16:01] <%melanieb> Spending time on the forum helps
[15:16:03] <Samadhi> differentiating*
[15:16:09] <@OpheliaBlue> those first couple layers are kinda fuzzy like that, which is why it's very important to practice awareness techniques during your waking hours
[15:16:16] <%melanieb> You spend more time thinking about lucid dreaming
[15:16:18] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola and i are currently working on writing thatlesson
[15:16:24] <&Alyzarin> there isn't really a "dream about being lucid", it's just that you're not really thinking enough to make rational decisions
[15:16:24] <Oceandrop> Neat
[15:16:26] <@RareCola> I think understanding things better generally helps with everything, Samadhi
[15:16:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yes to what melanieb said
[15:16:33] <alexpoles> I feel spending more time on the website prepares me best to have a lucid that night.
[15:16:41] <%Oreoboy1996> well i think reese uses it to help people realize how far they are getting in their lucid dream training
[15:16:58] <%Oreoboy1996> like if you have layer 0s that means you're getting closer to layer 1
[15:17:05] <@OpheliaBlue> also, knowing which level you could potentially be "stuck" on, can help us determine which course of action is needed to break through to the next
[15:17:12] <Oceandrop> Mh but if you had some lucids you still can get layer 1 and layer 0 dreams or not?
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[15:17:14] <Oceandrop> :p
[15:17:16] <@OpheliaBlue> and what oreo said too
[15:17:18] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah
[15:17:27] <%Oreoboy1996> but other than that i think it's more informative
[15:17:29] <Samadhi> I see. Up to now I always thought people talking about layers only have watched too much Inception :p
[15:17:30] <Oceandrop> ah I see
[15:17:32] <@OpheliaBlue> yes Oceandrop, I still get layer 0's sometimes
[15:17:33] <%Oreoboy1996> information is still useful though
[15:17:38] <%Oreoboy1996> hello apiks
[15:17:44] <apiks> Hello.
[15:17:45] <Oceandrop> okay I get it now
[15:17:48] <Oceandrop> hello apiks
[15:17:56] <%Oreoboy1996> RareCola: did you set the room to knock or whatever it is?
[15:17:58] <@OpheliaBlue> The Reece videos are really mroe of a reference guide, and like oreo said, to see how you're advancing
[15:17:58] <apiks> Hai.
[15:18:03] <@OpheliaBlue> hi apiks
[15:18:04] <@RareCola> not yet, about to
[15:18:14] <apiks> Greetings.
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[15:18:22] <@OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic!!
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[15:18:28] <Oceandrop> Hei rdm
[15:18:31] <@realdealmagic> Hello
[15:18:35] <@realdealmagic> Sorry I'm late, was out on my motorbike
[15:18:37] <@RareCola> hey rdm
[15:18:39] <%melanieb> HI, RDM and apiks
[15:18:42] <@OpheliaBlue> ooo almost hit Ryan in the butt with the door Jason
[15:18:48] <@realdealmagic> JUST in time
[15:18:52] <@RareCola> haha
[15:19:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i've had hundreds of lucid dreams and still have some layer 0 and layer 1 dreams
[15:19:08] <@realdealmagic> Ooh, layers, good idea.
[15:19:09] <%Oreoboy1996> not often though
[15:19:23] <@OpheliaBlue> I like those layer videos too, because it helps people not get too discouraged with those types of dreams
[15:19:41] <@OpheliaBlue> it's like a "You're on the right track! Oh so close" kinda thing
[15:19:43] <alexpoles> I feel any kind of lucid is a success personally.
[15:19:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[15:19:51] <Mindraker> Dunno why people get discouraged with having dreams in general... for a long time I couldn't remember *any* dreams.
[15:20:06] <%Oreoboy1996> lag >.>
[15:20:07] <alexpoles> Especially as a beginner, then that just means I'm getting somewhere.
[15:20:08] <Oceandrop> Meh I saw them too, but I don't agree fully with them also he, for my taste, sometimes are too much mhh esoteric
[15:20:08] <%Oreoboy1996> hello realdealmagic
[15:20:10] <@realdealmagic> I'm going to go out on a whim and assume all the students have seen the videos mentioned? If not, watch it here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/layers-lucidity-131625/
[15:20:27] <Samadhi> I thought we were supposed to watch it AFTER class?
[15:20:29] <@OpheliaBlue> Thanks for the link, I was about to do it again for the ones who just joined
[15:20:36] <Mindraker> Oh yeah that guy's vids are great
[15:20:37] <@OpheliaBlue> yes, after
[15:20:44] <@realdealmagic> That would be a better idea, then you won't miss out on class
[15:21:09] <@OpheliaBlue> So I'll ask the question again for the recent joiners
[15:21:10] <@OpheliaBlue> [15:11:03] <@OpheliaBlue> For example, has anyone here ever had a dream where you or other characters were discussing lucid dreaming?
[15:21:19] <acelegion> speaks so slow, struggling to keep engaged on the vid
[15:21:22] <@OpheliaBlue> (and I promise I won't ask again)
[15:21:29] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[15:21:51] *kb5.keebali.com* *** Oreoboy1996 invited hathor28 into the channel
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[15:22:02] <DorianMask> one of the most frustrating things to wake up to, 'SO CLOSE' lol
[15:22:06] <%melanieb> Don't everyone answer at once
[15:22:07] <Oceandrop> welcome hathor28
[15:22:07] <@OpheliaBlue> hi hathor28!
[15:22:13] <hathor28> hi!!
[15:22:18] <%Oreoboy1996> depends on your perspective DorianMask
[15:22:19] <%melanieb> hi, hathor28
[15:22:20] <Mindraker> So far, I haven't discussed "dreaming" in a dream... yet... I don't think.
[15:22:21] <@realdealmagic> It is frustrating, but you can't let it get to you DorianMask
[15:22:34] <hathor28> wow full house today
[15:22:37] <%Oreoboy1996> on one hand it's frustrating that you didn't reach it
[15:22:39] <Oceandrop> I hadn't, but does that mean I'm far away from being lucid more often :/?
[15:22:47] <%Oreoboy1996> on the other hand it's very motivating that you almost had it
[15:22:48] <ACMEAnimator> Only dreaming, but not lucid dreaming
[15:22:52] <@OpheliaBlue> agreed Oreoboy1996
[15:22:58] <@realdealmagic> ^
[15:23:00] <hathor28> u new ocean drop?
[15:23:10] <Oceandrop> Mhh nah some month ago I joined
[15:23:11] <DorianMask> Right, or even running around telling oneself that the dream is taking place, but still being bound by waking physics
[15:23:14] <%melanieb> The topic of dreaming within a dream seems more...profound. Objects and tasks that relate to dreaming seem more significant. Could just be the forum influence.
[15:23:21] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: Oceandrop failed and had to repeat the class
[15:23:25] <Oceandrop> x)
[15:23:29] <hathor28> :O
[15:23:33] <Mindraker> Oh yeah, real world physics is a bummer. I still can't fly worth a damn.
[15:23:33] <%Oreoboy1996> DorianMask: i think that actually falls into one of reeses categories
[15:23:39] <%Oreoboy1996> i think it was one of the rarer ones though
[15:23:51] <Oceandrop> I hadn't good recall the last days but I'm highly motivated for tonight :3
[15:23:52] <@OpheliaBlue> it is
[15:24:16] <hathor28> we talking about layers of lucidity?
[15:24:17] <@realdealmagic> Motivation helps a lot Oceandrop, you'll most definetely remember at least 2 dreams tonight
[15:24:18] <Mindraker> But the chicks are getting *hooootttt*
[15:24:19] <%Oreoboy1996> he described a dream where he was running around telling everyone that they were lucid and how amazing it was
[15:24:20] <@OpheliaBlue> yes ma'am
[15:24:26] <DorianMask> had that happen for the first time the other night, my reality checks failed so I was constantly aware, but my abilities were severely limited
[15:24:27] <%Oreoboy1996> without even realizing all the amazing things he could be doing
[15:24:37] <hathor28> i think i went through that
[15:24:44] <hathor28> in one of my dreams
[15:24:46] <@OpheliaBlue> that's where awareness practices can help you "break through"
[15:24:52] <%Oreoboy1996> yep
[15:25:04] <@OpheliaBlue> And having reality checks to perform in a dream AFTER you become lucid are helpful
[15:25:19] <@OpheliaBlue> reminding you that your real body is asleep in a bed, and your dream self is free to do whatever
[15:25:28] <@OpheliaBlue> that way you don't get too caught up in the dream's story
[15:25:43] Mindraker nailed some ultra-hot chick on the New York subway in one of his dreams this morning... I didn't put it on the dream journal... it was just too... sexual.
[15:25:43] <alexpoles> I tried just constantly saying that I'm in a dream one time, and that faded away eventually. :p
[15:25:51] <%Oreoboy1996> reminding myself of my real body kind of has that schema effect on me that i hate so much lol
[15:25:57] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: you're my brother from another mother I think
[15:26:00] <%Oreoboy1996> so i personally don't remind myself of that
[15:26:00] <hathor28> i wanted to make a face clearer so i think i turned around and closed my eyes and turned back and the face was clearer than before
[15:26:04] <Mindraker> HAHAAH OpheliaBlue
[15:26:05] Exotiraan tried to lucid earlier today by playing semi-loud industrial and EBM music, then trying to balance between sleep and wake.
[15:26:05] <Oceandrop> schema effect?
[15:26:17] <DorianMask> I tried to summon by closing my eyes the other night and it almost woke me >.<
[15:26:20] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: oh does it? how so (I'm curious)
[15:26:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i end up thinking about my real body
[15:26:39] <%Oreoboy1996> and then my brain tricks me into thinking i'm moving that real body
[15:26:42] <@OpheliaBlue> schema can cause too much negative thinking in an LD, kind of like a set up for failure
[15:26:44] <%Oreoboy1996> and then i wake myself up
[15:26:50] <Oceandrop> Oh that sucks
[15:26:55] <@OpheliaBlue> but it's still helpful to have strategies in case you need help
[15:26:59] <%Oreoboy1996> my brain over thinks things when i'm dreaming so the key is to not think so much
[15:27:11] Exotiraan managed to eek out some dreamy thoughts and at some point tried to control the amplification of the music by twisting a finger to his lips (in his partial dreaming), and remembers answering the door.
[15:27:11] <%Oreoboy1996> besides, i really enjoy being caught up in the story of the dream
[15:27:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok, for you over thinkers, maybe don't remind yourself of your real body's location
[15:27:30] <apiks> I have a question.
[15:27:31] Exotiraan also felt that little warning wave that says, "Hey, we're about to go into REM!"
[15:27:40] <%Oreoboy1996> ask it now apiks
[15:27:43] Exotiraan never quite got thre after that, though. :<
[15:27:45] <%Oreoboy1996> while there is still a chance
[15:27:45] <@OpheliaBlue> sure apiks
[15:27:47] <apiks> How does one Stop being interested in the dream story? That's caused me so many problems.
[15:27:52] <@realdealmagic> I have a question for everyone after class, so if you could all stay for 5 minutes after class that would help me out a lot.
[15:28:01] <hathor28> sure
[15:28:02] <Oceandrop> Okay rdm
[15:28:03] <@OpheliaBlue> apiks: IN a lucid, I'm assuming?
[15:28:08] <alexpoles> no problem
[15:28:08] <ACMEAnimator> when it gets boring maybe>
[15:28:10] <Mindraker> I can feel my eyes moving in REM; but that doesn't necessarily mean I see anything.
[15:28:13] <%Oreoboy1996> apiks: that typically happens when i reach layer 5 full awareness
[15:28:18] <apiks> Lucid and non-lucid.
[15:28:23] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't like it very much
[15:28:32] <Samadhi> OpheliaBlue: Thinking of NOT thinking of something usually makes me think exactly about what I try to avoid.. :B
[15:28:37] <hathor28> how can u stop being interested in the dream story??
[15:28:40] <hathor28> O_o
[15:28:45] <@OpheliaBlue> apiks: well in a lucid dream, soemthing to help you break yourself from the story, would be to remember a short lists of lucid goals from your workbook
[15:28:51] <@OpheliaBlue> like the task of the month
[15:28:52] <Mindraker> In fact, it's very easy to get to REM-phase -- but I have no idea what my eyes are "watching".
[15:29:04] <ACMEAnimator> It's hard trying not to think of something because you end up remembering what you are trying to forget.
[15:29:14] <@OpheliaBlue> Samadhi: haha i know the feeling. Do NOT think of an elephant on rollerskates
[15:29:16] <Oceandrop> maybe before sleep setting yourself goals what you want to do when you get lucid apiks
[15:29:17] <hathor28> lol
[15:29:24] <%melanieb> Reminds me of the song that got stuck in my head this morning
[15:29:30] <apiks> And then kicks in my forgetfulness. I guess I have a lot of work to do.
[15:29:53] <@RareCola> I find the best approach is not to try and not think about something, but instead gradually divert your attention to something else
[15:30:01] <alexpoles> We all have a lot of work to do, apiks. Just a matter of how we're gonna prepare to get there. :p
[15:30:09] <@OpheliaBlue> Oh this reminds me, it's very important to have a list of 2 or 3 things that you want to accomplish in a lucid dream. So you remember them from the get go. For me, for example, I try to remember the basic and advanced tasks.
[15:30:31] <%Oreoboy1996> once again, something i'm not good at
[15:30:32] <%melanieb> And it worked for you
[15:30:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I repeat this list to myself each night, kinda like how Mel's autosuggestion thread works.
[15:30:40] <@OpheliaBlue> if she cares to link it
[15:30:47] <@RareCola> Very true, I'm realising lately how important it is to have plans for your lucid dreams. Unless you know what you're wanting to do it can get very scattered
[15:30:58] Mindraker writes down... do not think about an elephant on rollerskates. mmkay, got it.
[15:31:00] <@OpheliaBlue> super scattered
[15:31:09] <hathor28> i think i got autosuggestion going on too
[15:31:20] <alexpoles> Try to have one main goal, or multiple smaller ones?
[15:31:27] <@OpheliaBlue> alexpoles: yes!
[15:31:28] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm still confused about the difference between mantra and autosuggestion
[15:31:33] <%melanieb> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/autosu...thread-131417/
[15:31:35] <%Oreoboy1996> but whatever i'm doing works so i don't caaaare
[15:31:38] <ACMEAnimator> So before going to sleep at night, you visualize a dream, and then a to-do list?
[15:31:43] <&Alyzarin> !brb
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[15:31:44] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: RareCola is better at explaining that difference than I am
[15:31:48] <Exotiraan> Isn't a mantra a subset of autosuggestion?
[15:31:48] <hathor28> i wake up from 1st dream and go to bathroom then go btb and sleep dream 2nd dream etc
[15:31:59] <@RareCola> Explaining what?
[15:31:59] <@OpheliaBlue> ACMEAnimator: yes,in any order
[15:31:59] <Samadhi> Did anyone ever compile a list of things which usually aren't too hard to do in an LD for a beginner? Because most of my goals contain really complex stuff which I fear will awaken me. :/
[15:32:00] <hathor28> happened twice already
[15:32:06] <Exotiraan> @ OpheliaBlue
[15:32:10] <Oceandrop> Uhm
[15:32:10] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: the diff between mantra and autosuggestion
[15:32:15] <@RareCola> ah ok
[15:32:16] <Oceandrop> did you answer alex question with a yes x')?
[15:32:30] <@realdealmagic> For those of you trying to divert your attention from something, think of it this way. Think about what you want to think about, not what you DON'T want to think about. The slight suggestion of that thing you don't want to think about will seep through and make you think of it.
[15:32:32] <%Oreoboy1996> Samadhi: the problem with a list like that is everyone finds different things more difficult than others
[15:32:37] <@RareCola> Put simply, mantra: for WILDs, auto-suggestion: for everything else.
[15:32:38] <%melanieb> Like fly, eat, hold keys, etc? Basic task list?
[15:32:40] <%Oreoboy1996> like some people learned to fly on their first time no problem
[15:32:52] <%Oreoboy1996> while at the same time another person finds it extremely difficult
[15:33:06] <alexpoles> I think she was saying either or Oceandrop. :p
[15:33:08] <Samadhi> Oreoboy1996: I'm so cautious that I set my first goal in the dream just to touch the ground and see how it feels :p
[15:33:09] <@realdealmagic> To expand on RareCola, a mantra is something that holds meaning to you, and autosuggestion is something you're trying to tell your subconscious.
[15:33:16] <%melanieb> A good reason to examine your dream signs
[15:33:19] <Oceandrop> okay
[15:33:22] <@OpheliaBlue> meant yes to both alexpoles and ACMEAnimator questions
[15:33:59] <Oceandrop> Mh I have actually one question on my mh mind
[15:34:03] <apiks> I have yet another question.
[15:34:05] <@RareCola> Just wondering; who here has read Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming?
[15:34:10] <hathor28> O_o
[15:34:11] <Oceandrop> Me today started again
[15:34:21] OpheliaBlue raises hand part way
[15:34:21] <@realdealmagic> Not yet RareCola, not yet. Need to order it from Amazon at some point.
[15:34:22] <DorianMask> thats laberge yeah?
[15:34:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yes DorianMask
[15:34:28] <fennecgirl> Not yet, but I'm planning to.
[15:34:28] <ACMEAnimator> i started reading a while ago
[15:34:29] <Oceandrop> its one of the cause why I am so motivated again x)
[15:34:29] <Samadhi> RareCola: I did
[15:34:33] <Paperplane> i didnt, yet..
[15:34:40] <apiks> Will having a timer set up for like every 30 minutes or so help with you doing RCs if you are doing something and keep forgetting them or are too busy for them and forget?
[15:34:40] <@OpheliaBlue> it's free online in PDF format for anyone who's interested
[15:34:47] <Samadhi> WHAT?
[15:34:47] <@realdealmagic> Ooh
[15:34:49] realdealmagic googles.
[15:34:54] <ACMEAnimator> That's how I found it
[15:34:55] <Oceandrop> Rare youre reading it too?
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[15:35:09] <Samadhi> Well there go my few euros down the drain lol
[15:35:11] <ACMEAnimator> got the Mp3's too
[15:35:13] <@RareCola> I'm bringing it up because I've just been reading the "Schema" portion of the book. It's really fascinating.
[15:35:14] <@realdealmagic> http://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/...en-Laberge.pdf
[15:35:19] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks realdealmagic
[15:35:29] <Oceandrop> my question actually relates to the book
[15:35:32] <ACMEAnimator> I wouldn't say that, I'd rather have the book in front of me.
[15:35:40] <@OpheliaBlue> and sorry Samadhi nothing wrong with having a hard copy though
[15:35:43] <Samadhi> RareCola: Yeah, it's really interesting. But it's just a theory as far as I recall
[15:35:54] <ACMEAnimator> Reading the pdf of my screen hurts me eyes after a while
[15:35:56] <hathor28> holy books?
[15:35:57] <@RareCola> Schemas aren't theories
[15:36:10] <%melanieb> Reduce your screen contrast
[15:36:14] <%melanieb> or brightness
[15:36:17] <&Alyzarin|BRB> !back
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[15:36:19] <%Oreoboy1996> well i don't think there's necessarily a way to directly prove it
[15:36:23] <%Oreoboy1996> so i would call it theory
[15:36:25] <Oceandrop> wb Alyzarin
[15:36:26] <ACMEAnimator> or that
[15:36:27] <%melanieb> Or read with singlasses on
[15:36:28] <%Oreoboy1996> but it's a theory i strongly believe in
[15:36:30] <ACMEAnimator> thank you
[15:36:32] <&Alyzarin> ty Oceandrop :3
[15:36:32] <Oceandrop> a theory isn't always a thing that isn't proved
[15:36:43] <@OpheliaBlue> a hypothesis
[15:36:48] <Samadhi> Oreoboy1996: Well, that's true.. :p It's also really applicable to real life, from what I observed in my own head
[15:37:16] <@RareCola> Schemas are easy to prove, and are proven in ETWoLDing
[15:37:26] <Oceandrop> Theory - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster
[15:37:26] <Samadhi> ET-what?
[15:37:39] <Samadhi> oh it's the book title
[15:37:40] <Oceandrop> it can be hypothesis or something that is proved
[15:37:41] <Samadhi> haha
[15:37:44] <Oceandrop> like the evolution theory
[15:37:45] <@OpheliaBlue> Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming
[15:37:47] <@OpheliaBlue> ETWOLD
[15:37:55] <acelegion> what are drugs like in Lucid dreams?
[15:38:02] <DorianMask> AMAZING
[15:38:06] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[15:38:07] <&Alyzarin> it depends on the drug lol
[15:38:09] Samadhi was just thinking it's some crazy LDing technique
[15:38:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I've never tried in an LD I don't think
[15:38:20] <Oceandrop> It depends on what you expect I guess
[15:38:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I think I had beer in a non lucid before though
[15:38:25] <&Alyzarin> sometimes they're really accurate in effects, other times they're just really crazy. a couple times they made me OD o_o
[15:38:27] <%melanieb> Last months TOTM
[15:38:28] <alexpoles> I'm glad drugs is now the topic. :p
[15:38:30] <acelegion> My next LD count is to smoke so much weed
[15:38:37] <Oceandrop> lol alex x)
[15:38:37] <DorianMask> I was shot in the face with a water gun filled with liquid acid and it was a pretty intense 5 min or so
[15:38:41] <%Oreoboy1996> i've never tried drugs in a lucid dream
[15:38:42] <@OpheliaBlue> lol acelegion
[15:38:52] <%Oreoboy1996> though Chris gave me this potion once
[15:38:54] <DorianMask> though I've never done lsd iwl
[15:38:56] <@OpheliaBlue> DorianMask: liquid LSD? dang
[15:39:00] <%Oreoboy1996> and the effects made me high i think
[15:39:09] <apiks> Once I was given something to drink by a former teacher of mine and when I drank it, they all laughed and I fainted and woke up. I guess it was some strange waking drug.
[15:39:10] <%Oreoboy1996> i was hallucinating in the dream anyways
[15:39:15] <&Alyzarin> lol
[15:39:19] <Samadhi> Well from my NDs I strongly believe that you can get high in a dream
[15:39:21] <%melanieb> Drugs in dreams are nothing like in real life in my experience
[15:39:22] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeah I had a potion in an LD when I was doing the basic task, and it caused all this scrolling to appear all over my face
[15:39:34] <@OpheliaBlue> not the same as drugs though
[15:39:39] <DorianMask> the plants?
[15:39:41] <%melanieb> Yeah, just not the same
[15:39:43] <DorianMask> flowerface?
[15:39:46] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: see yeah that's kinda what I'd be inclined to think as well
[15:39:55] <&Alyzarin> I once tried mescaline in a dream any it felt almost identical to a real psychedelic experience, far more than any acid or shrooms in dreams I've done
[15:39:57] <@OpheliaBlue> DorianMask: haha yeah
[15:40:00] <&Alyzarin> strange because I've never done mescaline
[15:40:02] <DorianMask> nice
[15:40:20] <@RareCola> I think dreams can be whatever you make them. It's all down to expectation, imagination and motivation. All of these things build your schemas
[15:40:24] <%melanieb> But you had experience for your mind to base the dream on
[15:40:25] <Oceandrop> Oy my question, I read in EtWoLD that one should make an Alarm, so it awakes him after every late REM-Phase of the night so one can actually remember the dreams, or if one wakes up naturally at night try to wake up so much that one can write small notes down to complete the next morning and I wanted to know if that is the way you guys are recalling your dreams/approaching Lucid dreaming?
[15:40:31] <@OpheliaBlue> DorianMask: THAT dream is an example of a lucid where i got distracted by the story after accomplishing the task
[15:40:47] <@OpheliaBlue> I had a plan B, butwhen it failed, I wished I'd had a plan C as well
[15:40:47] <&Alyzarin> melanieb: yeah, but I had actual experience with acid and shrooms and they were just all wrong
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[15:41:01] <%melanieb> I can't wake up that often and record dreams...I will stay awake for too long after
[15:41:09] <@RareCola> Oceandrop: I wake up naturally, no use of an alarm
[15:41:12] <DorianMask> something in me says that our subconscious doesn't want us to be aware during our dreams
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[15:41:24] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: me too.. I force myself to remember keywords so I don't wake up too much
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[15:41:26] <@OpheliaBlue> works pretty ok
[15:41:30] <Xyvoch> thx oreo
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[15:41:41] <Xyvoch> Hey Opheliablue
[15:41:42] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks Oreoboy1996 .. I don't see the knocks
[15:41:42] <%melanieb> I remember much of the visual experience
[15:41:43] <DorianMask> so it exploits our conscious tenancies to get wrapped up in interesting detail
[15:41:45] <Oceandrop> Ah but youre actually waking up several times at night after every dream?
[15:41:52] <acelegion> OpheliaBlue: thats what I've started doing... Writing several key words down.
[15:41:52] <%melanieb> And the impressions I experienced in the dream
[15:41:55] <Xyvoch> Hey OCeandrop
[15:41:57] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: they didn't, i just figured it would be easier to invite them
[15:42:00] <Oceandrop> Na Xyvoch
[15:42:06] <@OpheliaBlue> oh cool thx
[15:42:14] <Oceandrop> thx for the answers btw
[15:43:06] <Oceandrop> I feel like I killed the chat x')
[15:43:06] <@OpheliaBlue> ok any question for the last 10 minutes or so? I figure we can cut out a few minutes early to talk to realdealmagic
[15:43:23] <@OpheliaBlue> sicne I am not able to go overtoday I'm afraid
[15:43:43] <@OpheliaBlue> any questions about the layers, or awareness, or schema's? etc
[15:44:01] <%Oreoboy1996> nope
[15:44:01] <@OpheliaBlue> or does anyone wish to share their dreams, recent or otherwise?
[15:44:03] Mindraker ragequits his knitting
[15:44:05] <Oceandrop> Yush like if you never had a dream about lucid dreaming.. is that a bad sign :O? Or should one not worry?
[15:44:12] <@OpheliaBlue> nto worryr
[15:44:15] <@OpheliaBlue> geeez
[15:44:16] <@realdealmagic> That's not bad Oceandrop
[15:44:17] <Oceandrop> x'
[15:44:19] <@OpheliaBlue> not * worry *
[15:44:20] <Oceandrop> okay :p
[15:44:23] <Xyvoch> hey rdm
[15:44:25] <DorianMask> So its a concentration issue
[15:44:29] <@realdealmagic> Hello
[15:44:30] <@OpheliaBlue> everyone approaches lucidity differently, with different steps
[15:44:33] <%Oreoboy1996> i had 10 lucid dreams last night
[15:44:36] <hathor28> i'm getting lots of deilds
[15:44:36] <@realdealmagic> You smell.
[15:44:37] <%Oreoboy1996> would take a while to share that
[15:44:42] <DorianMask> geez
[15:44:44] <Samadhi> Well, the only question I've got right now if wondering about oddities in a dream is just usual or if it's a sign that I'm closer to lucidity?
[15:44:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd like to highlight again, the Reece videos are a reference. Not a perfect match to everyone's way to lucid draeming
[15:44:52] <&Alyzarin> I had a lucid dream before I'd ever heard of lucid dreaming so
[15:44:55] <@realdealmagic> That means you're closer.
[15:45:00] <&Alyzarin> I'd say you're okay even if it's not a subject in your dreams lol
[15:45:01] <Samadhi> Ah, nice.
[15:45:07] <Oceandrop> okay thanks that calms me
[15:45:20] <@OpheliaBlue> Samadhi: are you beginning to question the oddities while in the dream?
[15:45:22] <@RareCola> I think any dream you have where it feels like you're more consciously involved, or feels like a much clearer memory, is a sign that you're getting close to lucidity
[15:45:25] <%melanieb> Yeah, don't worry Oceandrop
[15:45:32] <@realdealmagic> Wondering about oddities means you're actually having layer zero lucid Samadhi!
[15:45:32] <@OpheliaBlue> yes to RareCola
[15:45:46] <@OpheliaBlue> yes also to realdealmagic
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[15:45:53] OpheliaBlue says yes alot
[15:45:56] <%melanieb> yes
[15:45:57] <@RareCola> yes
[15:45:58] <Oceandrop> oh neat I had that in my last dreams Rare
[15:45:58] <%Oreoboy1996> yes you do
[15:45:59] <@realdealmagic> yes
[15:46:02] <Oceandrop> rofl
[15:46:05] <%melanieb> Si
[15:46:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I validate.
[15:46:10] <@OpheliaBlue> ja
[15:46:15] <@realdealmagic> Too far <_<
[15:46:16] <%Oreoboy1996> just another word for yes OpheliaBlue
[15:46:17] <Samadhi> OpheliaBlue: Well I was wondering for example why the traffic lights look so big. I stood there looking at them thinking "why did I never notice that before" - didn't question whether it was a dream or so though
[15:46:18] <alexpoles> No idea what's going on....
[15:46:19] <%melanieb> Da
[15:46:27] <hathor28> lol
[15:46:42] <@realdealmagic> Okay, everyone, important stuff now.
[15:46:44] <%Oreoboy1996> Samadhi: you simply need to learn to think of dreaming every time you think of an oddity
[15:46:55] <@OpheliaBlue> Samadhi: ah I know what you mean. but it is a sign, like RareCola said, that you're conscious mind is gaining more involvement in the dream
[15:46:56] <Samadhi> Hm, I see.
[15:46:59] <%Oreoboy1996> how important?
[15:47:01] <Samadhi> Yay!
[15:47:14] <@realdealmagic> Future chat sessions. From time to time, classes tend to be really quiet simply because we either don't have a topic, or we have one that people are not interested in.
[15:47:16] <@OpheliaBlue> and also what Oreoboy1996 said, link oddities with dreaming
[15:47:33] <@realdealmagic> So I'd like you all to list a couple of topics you want to come up in future chats so we can plan around it.
[15:47:44] <@OpheliaBlue> good call realdealmagic
[15:47:45] <@realdealmagic> Every class will have a set topic, and if we run out we'll go into open discussion.
[15:47:56] <Oceandrop> now or send you a list per pm in the forum?
[15:47:59] <@realdealmagic> SO yeah, everyone list some topics you want to come up.
[15:48:05] <@OpheliaBlue> A topic doesn't necessarily have to hog the whole class, but it can move things forward like realdealmagic said
[15:48:13] <@realdealmagic> Either do it now if you have it, or if you think of one later, PM me
[15:48:15] <%melanieb> Sometimes a couple topics
[15:48:31] <@realdealmagic> Yeah. And time for people to ask things about their experiences.
[15:48:36] <Samadhi> I think it'd be best to open a topic about topics in the forums, no? :p
[15:48:41] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: yeah more than one is good. sometimes one topic evolves naturally into others, but good to have back up topics
[15:48:43] <Oceandrop> I will ask my DCs if they have any topics I could submit x')
[15:48:43] <alexpoles> I think just discussing some things that can help to achieve different induction techniques.
[15:48:48] <@RareCola> - Preventing Premature Awakening
[15:49:02] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Topic: Please PM Topic Ideas to realdealmagic"
[15:49:05] <%melanieb> I think incubating specific images would be a good diea
[15:49:14] <%Oreoboy1996> well Oceandrop just game me an idea
[15:49:15] <Oceandrop> incubation techniques yea
[15:49:21] <%Oreoboy1996> topic on dream characters
[15:49:31] <%Oreoboy1996> and a topic on incubation would be very nice
[15:49:32] <alexpoles> wait. so PM or in here? D:
[15:49:34] <%Oreoboy1996> i like incubation
[15:49:35] <@OpheliaBlue> incubation!
[15:49:36] <@realdealmagic> Both!
[15:49:40] <@realdealmagic> I'm listing
[15:49:41] Alyzarin needs to head out.
[15:49:42] <%Oreoboy1996> alexpoles: either one
[15:49:45] <alexpoles> gotcha. thanks.
[15:49:45] <&Alyzarin> see you guys later
[15:49:46] <Oceandrop> Yes °_° I mean if youre fully lucid, who is answering when you ask the DC something °_°?
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[15:49:49] <%Oreoboy1996> bye Alyzarin
[15:49:53] <@OpheliaBlue>
[15:49:55] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya Aly
[15:49:59] <%melanieb> Bye Aly
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[15:50:03] <@realdealmagic> Bye aly
[15:50:05] <@realdealmagic> awwww
[15:50:06] <alexpoles> So, wait. what is incubation? D:
[15:50:27] <%Oreoboy1996> hold on, copy pasting definition >.>
[15:50:28] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "Topic: Please PM Topic Ideas to realdealmagic in IRC or on the Forum PM"
[15:50:34] <@OpheliaBlue> ok that was the last one
[15:50:37] <apiks> Drats! I have to leave. Well I hope you have a nice time and gain knowledge which It seems that I shall miss. Cheerio.
[15:50:38] <%melanieb> Methods you use to create a specific dream, object, or scene
[15:50:40] <@RareCola> Incubation is the process of enforcing a specific scene in your subconscious so that you dream about it
[15:50:41] <Oceandrop> youre imagine something that you want to dream about.. like if you think alot about a movie you have seen that day before sleep you will probably dream about something related
[15:50:43] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya apiks
[15:50:43] <Oceandrop> @ alex
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[15:51:06] <alexpoles> okay, okay. I understand. Kinda just like visualizations.
[15:51:10] <%Oreoboy1996> Dream incubation is the process of facilitating the formation of desired dreams prior to falling asleep.
[15:51:14] <Oceandrop> rofl
[15:51:22] <Oceandrop> definition spam x')
[15:51:24] <alexpoles> thank you all, thank you. :p
[15:51:24] <%melanieb> cough-cough
[15:51:25] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaaa
[15:51:27] <@RareCola> Yes, but incubation can also be used for other purposes, like incubating dream recall.
[15:51:30] <%melanieb> choke on that
[15:51:30] <%Oreoboy1996> you can visualize to incubate
[15:51:34] <Paperplane> hehe
[15:51:35] <Samadhi> Are we still allowed to ask questions? :B Another one just came to my mind.
[15:51:35] <%Oreoboy1996> but there are many other methods
[15:51:40] <%Oreoboy1996> Samadhi: yeah
[15:51:41] <%melanieb> Ask away!
[15:51:43] <%melanieb>
[15:51:47] <%Oreoboy1996> by the way that was a question
[15:51:50] <@OpheliaBlue> ask away Samadhi
[15:51:58] <alexpoles> lol oreo.
[15:52:04] <Oceandrop> Manipulating Dreams / Dream scapes whatever in that direction @ realdealmagic
[15:52:08] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996 is very technical
[15:52:19] <%Oreoboy1996> yes i am
[15:52:22] <Samadhi> I've noticed that while daydreaming I can't really keep my imagination 'stable' - things go and come really fast. Will this carry over to lucid dreams, or are they more consistent than daydreams in general?
[15:52:24] <alexpoles> Can already tell. :p
[15:52:33] <%Oreoboy1996> that's another topic idea
[15:52:35] <%Oreoboy1996> daydreaming
[15:52:44] <hathor28> someone knows how to do that in my dreams oceandrop
[15:52:44] <Oceandrop> Oh yes :p
[15:52:47] <@RareCola> Lucid dreams are far more consistent than daydreams
[15:52:52] <@realdealmagic> I'll put that under visualisation.
[15:52:54] <alexpoles> daydreaming seems it could be rather extensive, so yeah.
[15:53:00] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: do you think Samadhi's question is a focus issue? I have the same question actually
[15:53:04] <%melanieb> Not for everyone, RareCola
[15:53:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i think it is a focus problem
[15:53:20] <%melanieb> At least not in the lower layers
[15:53:21] <%Oreoboy1996> a lot of people seem to have a problem with keeping their daydreams stable
[15:53:29] <Oceandrop> o_O
[15:53:35] <%Oreoboy1996> when my daydream falls apart i usually just go right back to where i left off
[15:53:46] <@OpheliaBlue> I am so incredibly the same way, might explain the scatteredness of my LDs, except when I have a list of tasks
[15:53:48] <@RareCola> Well, I wouldn't think consistency problems would be down to daydreaming focus issues while you're lucid, at least
[15:53:57] <@OpheliaBlue> maybe have a list of tasks to focus on in the daydreams too?
[15:53:59] <Samadhi> So.. is it 'worth' it training my visualization? Will it affect my dreampowers (<lol) too? :p
[15:54:00] <hathor28> its about shared dreaming...i wont talk about it here...its a sensitive topic
[15:54:18] <%Oreoboy1996> Samadhi: it's definitely worth training your visualization skills
[15:54:19] <@OpheliaBlue> lol hathor28
[15:54:36] <%Oreoboy1996> i find it to be very helpful with lucid dreaming
[15:54:40] <Oceandrop> Nightmares @ realdealmagic :<
[15:54:41] <hathor28> i was comparing with oceandrops topic
[15:54:46] <%melanieb> I think it will help, Samadhi
[15:54:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I have to step out for the last few minutes, I need to talk with a student.
[15:54:57] <%Oreoboy1996> okay
[15:55:02] <Samadhi> Yeah.. I suspected that. Well then I'll spend more time daydreaming I guess.. Thanks
[15:55:03] <alexpoles> seeya Ophelia.
[15:55:08] <Oceandrop> seeya OpheliaBlue
[15:55:18] <%melanieb> Later on Ophelia
[15:55:24] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks all for joining! and for helping, Oreoboy1996 and melanieb
[15:55:29] Samadhi waves
[15:55:34] <%melanieb> Any more questions? And you are welcome!
[15:55:48] <%Oreoboy1996> we could also have topics simply on DILD and WILD
[15:55:49] <Paperplane> bye Ophelia
[15:56:00] Exotiraan is going to put aside some time every day involving aformentioned loud music and daydreaming.
[15:56:02] <%Oreoboy1996> or more specific techniques
[15:56:07] <%melanieb> I am curious what methods students choose most often
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[15:56:16] <%Oreoboy1996> melanieb: WILD
[15:56:20] <%Oreoboy1996> but then they realize how hard it is
[15:56:23] <%Oreoboy1996> then go to MILD
[15:56:23] <%Oreoboy1996>
[15:56:26] <@RareCola> ^
[15:56:36] <@OpheliaBlue> HAHA
[15:56:36] <%melanieb> Funny that
[15:56:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i have seen it too many times
[15:56:44] <@RareCola> Although, I'm beginning to realise that WILD is only as hard as you make it
[15:56:44] <acelegion> I haven't been successful with MILD at all
[15:56:46] <alexpoles> I do DILD just for now, because it's tough for me to wake up and fall back to sleep easily.
[15:56:49] <%Oreoboy1996> and i am guilty of it as well
[15:56:57] <Oceandrop> Also maybe Dream Recall as topic, how to best approach it and to it etc. because I for example didn't even know that youre supposed to wake up at night to better remember your dreams @ realdealmagic, I hope you still want topics x')?
[15:57:03] Exotiraan kind of lucked out on WILD, then.
[15:57:14] <@realdealmagic> I do, just keep going
[15:57:16] <@RareCola> I think that thinking WILD is incredibly hard to achieve has caused so many schematic issues for me
[15:57:19] <Exotiraan> Possibly due to alread-horrible sleeping habits.
[15:57:27] <%melanieb> I find WILD easy but that's just my life influences
[15:57:27] <@realdealmagic> I've stickied a thread in the Intro Class Forum for y'all to read if you forget as well
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[15:57:36] <%Oreoboy1996> how about a topic on finding techniques?
[15:57:42] <@realdealmagic> I've taken down Induction Techniques and Nightmares.
[15:57:46] <%Oreoboy1996> like figuring out which one is best for you
[15:57:49] <alexpoles> yeah, awful sleeping habits for me too. D:
[15:57:58] <@realdealmagic> That's a good one Oreo, that'll link in with the Induction Techniques I think.
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[15:58:04] <%melanieb> We have an Induction Techniques list in the WIKI
[15:58:04] <%Oreoboy1996> okay
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[15:58:10] <%Oreoboy1996> nightmares would be a fun topic
[15:58:14] <%Oreoboy1996> i have many to share
[15:58:14] <Mindraker> alright guys have a nice day... gotta go... see you later
[15:58:18] <Mindraker> hugs
[15:58:20] <%Oreoboy1996> bye Mindraker
[15:58:25] <%melanieb> It links to the individual turorials and could help people select a method
[15:58:28] <@realdealmagic> Bye Mindraker]
[15:58:29] <alexpoles> seeya later Mindraker
[15:58:31] <Mindraker> bye! *see you in dream land*
[15:58:33] <Oceandrop> baba
[15:58:40] <@realdealmagic> Some people still haven't a clue where to start though melanieb
[15:58:41] <Samadhi> Oh oh oh, another question. When I tried WILDing 2 days ago my legs, arms and head started to hurt awfully. Is that common? :/
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[15:58:54] <@realdealmagic> So we can help them out in choosing the right technique
[15:59:02] <Oceandrop> Mh I saw some topics on that on the forum so I will suggest it: Drugs that help with Lucid Dreaming or mh other extern aid
[15:59:07] <alexpoles> Samadhi was it sleep paralysis maybe? D:
[15:59:11] Exotiraan submits Billy Bob's tutorials for the.
[15:59:19] <Exotiraan> (If they're not already there.)
[15:59:20] <%Oreoboy1996> Samadhi: it's possible that is an effect of sleep paralysis
[15:59:27] <%melanieb> Pain should not be a common symptom
[15:59:29] <%Oreoboy1996> though i have never heard of that effect before
[15:59:33] <@realdealmagic> It could be HH?
[15:59:40] <Samadhi> alexpoles: It came after I saw HI, woke up from them and couldn't wild after that. then it started hurting really bad
[15:59:53] <Samadhi> i mean, after the almost-wild i tried it another time
[15:59:55] <%Oreoboy1996> melanieb: it wouldn't be hard at all to have a hallucination of pain
[15:59:56] <%melanieb> We have a Lucid Aids section of the forum which explores supplements
[15:59:58] <Samadhi> then it started hurting
[16:00:06] <%Oreoboy1996> almost anything that can happen in a dream
[16:00:11] <%Oreoboy1996> can happen in a hallucination
[16:00:22] <%melanieb> I could see that in the legs maybe...but in the head?
[16:00:34] <%Oreoboy1996> oh and i'm fairly certain you already have this down realdealmagic, but what about a topic on dream control?
[16:00:41] <Samadhi> in fact it was so bad that i couldn't fall asleep for 2 more hours :/
[16:00:56] <@realdealmagic> I haven't even tried to think of any - too busy listing and such xD
[16:00:59] <alexpoles> Jeeze, yeah I have no idea. :/
[16:01:08] <%melanieb> For that I would suggest examining your sleep position and how it affects the muscles in your neck
[16:01:31] <%Oreoboy1996> i tend to sleep on my shoulder
[16:01:42] <%Oreoboy1996> and it sometimes causes pain through the day
[16:01:55] <%melanieb> The spine and nerves in the back of the head can become pinched or stressed when the area muscles squeeze them or put pressure on them from daily activities or poor sleeping positions
[16:01:58] <%Oreoboy1996> and sometimes i dream that someone did something like shot me in the shoulder lol
[16:02:11] <Oceandrop> oh good to know melanieb
[16:02:12] <alexpoles> Isn't just on the back an ideal sleep position for LD'ing?
[16:02:21] <%melanieb> Particularly when a 10 pound head pushes the nerves against a pillow for hours
[16:02:21] <Samadhi> Hmm. Well I could try WILDing on my side but people usually recommend doing it on the back
[16:02:26] <%Oreoboy1996> alexpoles: yes it is
[16:02:35] <alexpoles> Yeah, i thought so.
[16:02:39] <%Oreoboy1996> but i think the most ideal sleep position is the one you're most comfortable in
[16:02:41] <%melanieb> The back is good, but you should never sacrifice comfort
[16:02:44] <%Oreoboy1996> so i refuse to sleep on my back
[16:02:52] <%melanieb> And pain should never be involved...that could affect waking life
[16:02:59] <Oceandrop> but just for WILD or? @ Lying on the back
[16:03:04] <alexpoles> Very true. Just so you can concentrate less on comfort I'm assuming?
[16:03:20] <%melanieb> I recommend WILD in a semi-inclined position like you get in a lounge chair
[16:03:25] <%melanieb> Works well for me
[16:03:32] <Samadhi> It just seems to never work when I'm on the side @_@
[16:03:37] <%Oreoboy1996> you can do WILD in any position but most would say the back works best
[16:03:42] <%melanieb> Yeah, I can't side-WILD either
[16:03:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i think i was in sleep paralysis on my stomach this morning lol
[16:03:55] <alexpoles> you do it pretty well on your side though oreo?
[16:03:59] <@realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/dva-class-topics-134931/
[16:04:04] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't WILD much
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[16:04:19] <Oceandrop> Still no nightmares under suggested topics x')
[16:04:23] <alexpoles> Oh... I thought you said that was your main technique? D:
[16:04:25] <%melanieb> Your spine should be straight when you sleep as best as you can achieve it...so adjust your pillows as necessary to allow this
[16:04:26] <Oceandrop> but nice thread rdm
[16:04:26] <%Oreoboy1996> usually when i get into sleep paralysis i break out of it because i don't like how it feels
[16:04:51] <@realdealmagic> Sorry bout that Ocean, added now.
[16:04:51] <%melanieb> Recurring Dreams would be a good topic...recurring themes
[16:05:00] <Oceandrop> lol don't be sorry
[16:05:03] <alexpoles> From there you can almost just go straight into a dream though? Why break out?
[16:05:03] <%Oreoboy1996> good idea melanieb
[16:05:09] <@realdealmagic> THat is a good one mel
[16:05:25] <%melanieb> I read the forum like crazy
[16:05:25] <%Oreoboy1996> alexpoles: the transition isn't exactly something i've perfected yet
[16:05:28] <Oceandrop> Mh one question
[16:05:35] <alexpoles> Oh okay. understood.
[16:05:35] <Samadhi> melanieb: I'm not too good with anatomy - is it worth trying without a pillow at all or will this hurt my spine for sure?
[16:05:40] <%Oreoboy1996> and the feeling of being squeezed to death is sometimes unbearable
[16:05:47] <Oceandrop> WILD can just happen if a REM phase just ended or?
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[16:05:55] <Banned^> hey it worked
[16:05:59] <@realdealmagic> It can, but it's a lot harder OceanDrop.
[16:05:59] <%Oreoboy1996> Banned^: you're late
[16:06:03] <alexpoles> I wish I could reach SP more often though. :/ I've only reached partial paralysis once...
[16:06:14] <Banned^> Yea I dont like these chat sessions in the middle of the day
[16:06:18] <Banned^> Im busy sometimes
[16:06:26] <@realdealmagic> It's not the middle of the day for everyone
[16:06:27] <%Oreoboy1996> i've reached sleep paralysis quite a few times
[16:06:28] <Oceandrop> I reached it once fully.. and it scared me, since then I didn't had the lust to try it more x')
[16:06:30] <%melanieb> I would suggest using a pillow that allows your head to be comfy without raising it too much if you're lying on your back. The angle of your neck will cause trouble if the rest of your body is straight/flat on your bed
[16:06:35] <%Oreoboy1996> rarely enjoy it
[16:06:42] <Banned^> Damn time zone
[16:06:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i only like it when i get hallucinations
[16:06:46] <%Oreoboy1996> those are fun
[16:06:48] <Oceandrop> but sometimes after waking up I felt like I was still in SP
[16:06:56] <%melanieb> A pillow under the legs, behind the knees, can also help while lying on your back
[16:07:01] <Samadhi> complicated, lol but i guess i'll try several "pillow setups" then in the next few days
[16:07:06] <@realdealmagic> Sometimes you are Oceandrop. That's a good time to try out DEILD
[16:07:10] <Banned^> oh I dreamed last night
[16:07:14] <Banned^> I gotta upload my dj
[16:07:22] <hathor28> happens to me 2
[16:07:25] <@realdealmagic> You dream every night, you just recalled the ones from last night.
[16:07:29] <%melanieb> Look up sleep ergonomics on the web
[16:07:33] <Banned^> not nessisarily
[16:07:38] <Banned^> what if I dont sleep?
[16:07:42] <alexpoles> rdm is fairly technical too. :p
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[16:07:45] <jensiboyke> hi all
[16:07:47] <%Oreoboy1996> hello jensiboyke
[16:07:48] <@realdealmagic> Hmm?
[16:07:51] <Banned^> hi jensiboyke
[16:07:53] <%Oreoboy1996> you missed class
[16:07:55] <%melanieb> Hi!
[16:07:58] <@realdealmagic> Hello
[16:08:01] <%Oreoboy1996> even though we're still speaking
[16:08:03] <hathor28> u were here oreo
[16:08:04] <@OpheliaBlue> !back
[16:08:07] <@realdealmagic> I used a smiley - I'm the nicest.
[16:08:08] <hathor28> wb
[16:08:08] <Banned^> Time keeps on slippin slippin slippin
[16:08:09] <%Oreoboy1996> yes i was here
[16:08:09] <jensiboyke> Yea I know, I'm just back of party I've forget it
[16:08:13] <%melanieb> jensiboyke can read the chat logs after class
[16:08:13] <@OpheliaBlue> oh derp I wasn't away
[16:08:17] <DorianMask> into the fuuuttuuuurrre
[16:08:18] <hathor28> u was
[16:08:20] <hathor28> lol
[16:08:38] <jensiboyke> @%melanie: How can I read them
[16:08:49] <@realdealmagic> I'll copy them up now jensiboyke.
[16:08:52] <%melanieb> They are posted in the DVA Intro class subsection
[16:08:57] <hathor28> so glad some of my DJs are getting many views
[16:09:08] <@OpheliaBlue> ok NOW I'm away to go log chat