Thread: Tlalocs Workbook

vibe nites 14 and 15

These took place last night and 3 nights previously.

For vibe nite 14 I was still pretty hammered by my cold. My wife decided to sleep downstairs after she had a coughing fit this time, and I set out to do a wbtb 5 hours after sleep. However around an hour earlier than planned my little daughter woke me up crying so I decided (against my better judgement) to do it earlier. I also lenghtned the intervals between the vibes to go off at 40mins (2secs) then 1 hour (5secs). Unfortunately no lucids. My wife came in the room and woke me again pretty abruptly (I think secretly she enjoys this!!) and I saw that a 2sec vibe had gone off around 4 mins before she woke me up. I had awoken from a dream - but couldn't remember the vibe being incorporated into it - so it a bit of a MIA moment.

Of interest though was immediately after she woke me she left to go to the shower and I immediately dropped back into sleep and straight into REM dreaming and a sort of FA in that I was dreaming I was looking at the invisible clock to see when the vibe interval had hit - I then dragged myself awake again and realised I had just dreamt this as I was still in bed and the clock still against my ankle - so a pretty interesting snapshot of how quickly you can drop back into REM dreaming from waking (like a DIELD I guess without the lucidity).

Vibe nite 15 last night.
wbtb went well, improved the way in which I am using the timer to silently wake myself without disturbing my wife. Set the timer on 30min intervals to allow myself longer to return to sleep after the wbtb. No lucids - however frustratingly I was in a good stable dream when my daughter came and woke us up, around 1 minute later the timer went off doh!!!! so if she had been a few minutes later I might have been more lucky!

so no lucids but some good points/ lessons
1. better method of attaching IC for wbtb
2. I have come up with an interesting idea for keeping the cycle at 21mins after the wbtb on a soft vibe nite, that I might try tonight
3. I played around with the clock today IRL and I think the 2 secs cycle would be fine again if I reconditioned myself to it, but if 2. above works I won't have to

Still everything to play for!

Hi 501

you asked about how the vibe gets intergrated into the dream. It gets directly intergrated into the dream - identical to the vibration in real life, with the exception that the length of the vibration might change, or once my brain added in alot of beeping noises as well as the vibe. I'll give you an example of a kind of fun one
'I'm in my 'apartment house' with my wife and a bunch of our 'friends' (these are all false memories), we are all sat down chatting and suddently the invisible clock goes off against my ankle, I'm worried my 'friends' might hear the vibrating noise and as I think this is starts making a beeping sound! I quickly move to my wifes bag to get away from our 'friends' and to pretend I'm looking for a phone, but no one seems to notice and as in real life the vibration (and noise) stop in a few seconds. I still think this is my real life, so I do a reality check with my watch and am amazed to find I am dreaming! As soon as this happens I realise all of this is false memories, we don't live in an apartment, these aren't our friends, just random dream characters! I look from watch at a guy sat next to my wife on the couch (alittle too close) - with a look like - 'who the heck are you pretending to be my mate?' his head shoots up and he gives me a startled glance that cracks me up as if hes just been caught out' and unfortunately then I wake up.

So as you can see the vibration worked pretty much as it would in real life, just being intergrated into the dreamscape - plus some audio beeps this time (because I'd been anxious when I set at the wbtb before that I musn't set it wrong and wake my wife).

The direct integration is what makes it work well, because you are experiencing the same thing as what you have prepared for in real life - to do a reality check following the vibe sensation.

Its possible on a couple of occassions its been indirectly intergrated - but this is harder to spot and prove - perhaps once as the roar of an avalanche, the other as a roar of tok toks down a street. You mentioned earthquakes (a good question from someone in California to a kiwi who has lived with earthquakes all his life prior to coming to the UK!). None so far. Had you read of this in la berges book? In his experiments with vibration they ended up putting the vibrating device in the foot of the mattress and this is probably what generated that sensation. The reason for this might be because the noise of the vibration as well as the vibration itself is conducted through the mattress to the pillow to your ear. This may have happened when I had the dreams of the tok toks and the avalanche, if my ankle was pressing the timer into the mattress. I prefer not to do it this way as it seems to work better when the vibration is as similar to what I am doing in real life.

Again that seems to me to be one of the best advantages to doing this 'technique'. Unlike a light stimulation (like the novadreamer etc) which you can't practice with during the day, you can wear this device around and it goes off and you do the reality check. At night you wear it, if you are lucky it hits an REM cycle and you are alert enough, it goes off and gets directly incorporated into the dream, you do a RC and become lucid. It requires no interpretation.

anyways thats a long answer but I could keep going! Hope this helps - cheers - T