Thread: ZAD's Workbook

Originally Posted by DarkestDarkness

Like a very sketchy sketch, the more lines and occlusion you add, the more open for detail it is by the mind, despite it probably losing definition, especially for a viewer that didn't know what the original lines underneath looked like on their own.

These are all great points! You're definitely onto something about adding noise, lowering resolution, getting rid of detail...rather than looking at this model as a faulty source of truth, I should instead look at it as a reasonable suggestion of truth.
Also I hadn't even thought of printing it out, I was mostly planning on moving the viewpoint around the scene to imagine walking through it. But having something concrete like that would probably help a lot more!

Occluding elements is one thing I had actually been thinking of, maybe adding long drapery or curtains between some of the columns so that fewer room squares or segments are visible, which would be less taxing on how much my brain needs to create when I visualize and attempt to teleport there.

Also I have tried to use that method that you've described that lots of mangakas use, of using a 3D program for setting up perspective and drawing over it, once or twice. However I haven't had much luck with that method, probably because I never have time or interest to sit down and spend enough time on drawings anymore. :/ (oh high school, sitting in the back row sketching, how I miss you so...)

Originally Posted by ZAD

Also I have tried to use that method that you've described that lots of mangakas use, of using a 3D program for setting up perspective and drawing over it, once or twice. However I haven't had much luck with that method, probably because I never have time or interest to sit down and spend enough time on drawings anymore. :/ (oh high school, sitting in the back row sketching, how I miss you so...)

I didn't really know manga artists used the technique in a widespread manner (but I don't really read manga); it's interesting to know.

Methods involving tracing do still require some patience and the results are invariably different for each person if one is not trying to do a 1:1 detail copy, so it's entirely possible that work you consider unsuccessful would be satisfactory in the eyes of someone else.

Originally Posted by ZAD

I was mostly planning on moving the viewpoint around the scene to imagine walking through it. But having something concrete like that would probably help a lot more!

I have also approached things in this regard before, but I find that the strongest memories end up being the ones of focus, i.e. the memories of doing actual work on the scene, etc. And even then, right now I have a stronger memory the imagined 3D scene of potentially working on that Doric column I described to you, vs the last model I actually made (I can't even remember what it was).

Was going to say something else, but as always, I forgot what it was.

I know it's been a while since the last post -- Darkest, here's one example that kind of goes with what I was talking about, and also an interesting interview with the creator of Oyasumi Punpun which I found fascinating: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vtvdy . In this case though, I think he only uses images and the transform tool, rather than actual 3D technology, and he works with real life objects and photographs a lot. If I see a better example I'll add it.

Also wanted to post in this workbook to say I'm going to be getting more active with my LDing again after having an "off month" (and a half). I'm coming up on my 50th LD since starting again this August and I really want to do something to improve their stability and length, as well as having them feel more "real" and convincing while still understanding that everything I'm experiencing is my own subconscious creation. On that note I think I'll be delving a little more into WILD territory, and maybe have one or two WBTB/WILD attempts each week.

New goals:
* Try to WILD 1-2 times a week
* Meet my dream guide more consistently
* More grounded scenarios and characters/figures
* More stability/length