Originally Posted by Dianeva
It won't let me click 'reply with quote' but this is a reply to Alyzarin's #3 rant. I've never tried to look for research done on OCD, but when I was younger I had both types quite badly. They're better now, although I still get them occasionally, particularly while stressed or thinking about it. What bothered me was that I knew they were different since they felt different, but I was told they were neurologically the same. I still kinda always thought they must be at least a bit different neurologically to explain why they feel different, but didn't voice the opinion, and this is the first I'm hearing of it since then, so I'm glad I read your post.
One of the types of OCD I get is at a more conscious level. I think "if I don't do [action], [something bad] will happen." I know that it's unlikely true but the [something bad] is so terrible I can't stop thinking about it, and the action is usually so mundane I always ended up doing it. This one I don't get much anymore and was the easiest to stop. The thing with this is, I still don't know if this is even OCD. I might not have the other type of OCD and this may be something different. Since it's all done so consciously it doesn't even seem like it should have a name. But when I was little and explained this to my therapist, I was told it was OCD.
It's occurred to me that there are a few things I get, all which seem to be labeled OCD by professionals. Another comes into play while getting into habits like washing my hands a lot, which I had for a couple years a few years back. Touching anything that anyone else touched made me feel so dirty, I couldn't help imagining all the disgusting stuff that could have been on their hands, fearing they don't wash their hands after using the washroom, which I knew some people in my family did. Every time I touched the fridge or a cupboard or anything, those thoughts would run through my head and I'd need to wash my hands. It was pretty bad. Things would happen like, I'd think I was done preparing my food so I'd wash my hands, then I'd remember to put salt and pepper on it, but after grabbing the shaker I'd have to wash my hands again, then I'd remember I had to put something away, ..... This seems to be labeled as OCD too but again it feels different.
Then there are ticks, and I agree they're the most difficult to get rid of. Although I don't suffer from them often anymore, it's hard not to experience them at certain times like now when I'm thinking about it. This can be compared to a desire to itch, or perhaps for anyone who's tried to WILD and has experienced that need to swallow (or maybe only people who have this type of OCD in the first place experience that). This one sucked and made life miserable for me from the ages of like 7 to 11 (or something). Anyway, society seems to be bad at labeling OCD. They'll misdiagnose it too. If someone is really clean and organized, it will be assumed that he must have OCD. Worse is that few people seem to understand what it is, how serious and uncontrollable the tick one is. Too many people have just assumed I'm making an excuse. It's like they think the 'tick' one is the same as the first one I described. When I say I need to bend my arm or something, a common response will be "what will happen if you don't?" which shows they don't understand it's like the need to scratch an itch.
OCD is a rather complicated subject. Or rather, it's somewhat complicated but then made even moreso by our inability to just inspect each others' brain chemistry directly, and then again by society misunderstanding or being lazy with terms. If my understanding is correct (bearing in mind that it might not be, but this is based on what I've read), I'd say you probably just have tic-related OCD. If you just think of the "stereotypical" OCD symptoms that come to mind, most of them apply to both OCD and tic-related OCD. There may also be more than one variation of the non-tic-related OCD. These kinds are caused by genetics and cannot be permanently removed. Tic-related OCD also starts very early in life, whereas I believe OCD starts a little later on. The thing is, those genetic changes can't be recreated in just anyone, but many of their resulting neurochemical changes can. Because of this, things like depression can cause many of the same symptoms of OCD. This can be especially true when only considering women, as overactive serotonin transporters are found to be linked to 5-HT2A receptor polymorphisms in females with OCD. Personally, I think this dual action might be part of why you feel that you have two separate things, because that does technically make it come from two separate causes. Anyone who doesn't have OCD won't understand this because if they're always found together then to an outsider they will seem like one thing, but to the person actually experiencing it it's easier to tell when certain symptoms can be categorized separately.
All of the things you described are exactly like mine. The things like hand washing are obsessions and compulsions, and the things you described as it being like scratching an itch are definitely tics. The 5-HT2A receptor mutation that has been linked to tic-related OCD has also been linked to Tourette syndrome, so this isn't surprising. It's also been linked to predisposition to anorexia, which is thought to be why there's overlap between the two in terms of being obsessed with perfection. The obsessions/compulsions are, on the other hand, mainly linked to low serotonin, so that's where the difference comes into play. Mine also get much worse while I'm thinking about them. Do you also have a thing about symmetry? That's one of the things that is usually stronger with tic-related and I definitely have it. It's also related to stronger sexual and sometimes religious fantasies, often bizarre. Definitely have those too. >.>
Originally Posted by Zhaylin
That's VERY interesting. If I recall correctly, REM is basically when you have most of your dreams? Falling immediately into dreams is also a sign of sleep deprivation and Narcolepsy. It's one of the primary reasons I feel I have a mild case of Narcolepsy. Even when I'm not sleep deprived, I fall immediately into dreams.
BUT, I also have some OCD tendencies.
Oh and Right back at ya
I was thinking about you while typing that, actually lol. Narcolepsy is the only condition I'm aware of that's traditionally associated with sleep onset REM periods. The study I read was reporting it for OCD as a new finding. And yeah, REM is where most dreams happen, at least the vivid ones. I wonder which reason it is for you?
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