Thread: First galantamine experience -- nothing

These should be taked directly before REM, or they would have an effect. They only persisit in your system for a little while, so you should wake up after 5-6 hours, then take them. of course they will give you wild dreams and amazing vivid LDs filled with awareness, but take them before a long REM cycle. I sleep 12 hours(aaaaa), so I would take them after 9 hours of sleep

I did -- I took the Galantamind 5 hrs after bed. I slept no more than about 1.5 hours afterwards, and that is within the peak of the galantamine and choline I believe. It's probably more a dosage thing but perhaps timing could have been better.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I did -- I took the Galantamind 5 hrs after bed. I slept no more than about 1.5 hours afterwards, and that is within the peak of the galantamine and choline I believe. It's probably more a dosage thing but perhaps timing could have been better.

Ooh! That may be a little too long. But you don't wanna pop high dosages I believe. It may make the effect last longer, but all you need is to manage to have REM not long(45min ish) after taking the supplement

I'm going to buy some today. Let's the experimentation begin!

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Ooh! That may be a little too long. But you don't wanna pop high dosages I believe. It may make the effect last longer, but all you need is to manage to have REM not long(45min ish) after taking the supplement

Hmm I'll need to review the Thomas Yuschak book, but I think after 40 minutes it's just starting to kick in. Not 100% sure, though.

Hmm...maybe it is a dosage thing. Adding more choline/alpha-GPC definitely sounds like a good idea to try. 200mg choline with 4mg galantamine after 5-6 hours of sleep works well for me, when I can actually get to sleep after taking it. As for the timing thing, after around 40 minutes sounds right. The times I've taken it and become lucid I've gone back to sleep soon (within 40 minutes) after taking it, though this may just be because I find it difficult to get back to sleep if I wait for it to kick in first and might not work for everyone. But it's still another thing to try

It didn't really work for me from the beginning, either - or at least, though it had some effect, it took three tries before I became lucid after taking it. So hopefully if you try changing the dosages/timing around you'll also find something that works.

Good luck with trying the Alpha-GPC/higher doses of galantamine

Woot got a non-supplement nice night of dreaming last night, including a short lucid. I think I'll try the 4mg Galantamine and 300mg alpha gpc (includes 100mg of different choline in the Galantamind capsule) tonight as it has been 3 nights off after Friday night now and see how that goes.

I´ve ordered galantamind, choline-b, A-GPC and 5-HTP. What a junkies we are 8o))
Keep posting results fryingman!

I'll try again tonight (3 full nights off after the first attempt), adding the alpha-gpc, keeping the one galantamind, and perhaps prepare a 0.25mg melatonin (cut up a 1mg, have to remember to buy a razor blade) to help get back to sleep if I feel too alert. Yeah cutting up a pill with a blade will feel kinda junky-ish. But hey if this stuff works then a once-in-a-while dry-spell breaker or "super" lucid would really rock.

Week, crap. Did as planned, took everything at 5 hours, and didnt sleep for a couple hours, again, and the dream I did get eventually was no different than my typical, non-vivid, NLDs. I had a way better dreaming night without the supps 2 nights ago. Kind of an expensive experiment. Also have a light headache with waking up, sort of a congested feeling. I'll keep trying but probably no more than once every few weeks or less.

I use Galatamind occasionally ant it took some experimentation to figure out the right dosage for me...I think it varies from person to person. I use Galatamind 4mg and it includes Choline 200mg. I take it in combination with Choline Bitartrate 250mg (I cut a 500mg pill in half) or Alpha GPC 300mg. I also take a tiny dose of Melatonin with this to help me fall back asleep 0.75mg. Typically I will have one or several LDs 2 or more hours after taking this combo. Also I take it after sleeping 5 to 6 hours.

Thanks for the info. Maybe I took too little melatonin, only about 0.3mg. Or the pills stuck in my throat and didn't make it to my stomach or something. That alpha-GPC 300mg I have is a real horse-pill, it took a lot of water to get that thing down.

Reviewing the Yuschak book, it looks like I went about this incorrectly. GPC is recommended as part of his "extended" multiple trigger, plain choline bitartrate with galantamine is the primary trigger. GPC doesn't reach maximum blood saturation until 3 hours after taking it, right when I had to get up this morning. So back to the drawing board: 4mg galantamind and some choline bitartrate, 4 days from now. I also had a glass of wine and a beer around 6pm which Yuschak recommends avoiding the same evening as taking this stuff. Oops.

I´d recommend you to take GPC during the first classical wbtb (4 hours after asleep) and then second wbtb (6 hours after asleep) to take gala with choline... First wbtb be awake just for quick recall and dream signs analysis, and second wbtb be awake around 20 minutes. But I´ve no experience yet, the shipment is on the way... looking forward to start experimenting, hope it´ll work.

Originally Posted by Nfri

I´d recommend you to take GPC during the first classical wbtb (4 hours after asleep) and then second wbtb (6 hours after asleep) to take gala with choline... First wbtb be awake just for quick recall and dream signs analysis, and second wbtb be awake around 20 minutes. But I´ve no experience yet, the shipment is on the way... looking forward to start experimenting, hope it´ll work.

Yes that's an interesting approach, Yuschak I don't think mentioned a staged approach to taking GPC, I think his recommendation was so that the initial galantamine and choline bitartrate would start acting pretty fast, but that the GPC taken at the same time would extend the window another several hours. Doing it that way (GPC first, then choline + galantamine a few hours later) might cause a higher choline spike, so caution is probably warranted in doing that.

might cause a higher choline spike

Do you think this could be contraproductive or dangerous? O_o

Well, I'd be a bit concerned, yes....

I planned to try the Yuschak primary trigger (correctly this time: galantamind (4mg galantamine + 100mg choline, 50mg b6), + 300mg choline bitartrate) last night. Decided last night was not a good night when I reached about 5 hours waking, ate too much before bed and I was very gassy (ew). Haha I had a lucid dream anyway at 8.5 hours (but with a 1.5-2 hour wakeful period in between, so WBTB I guess you can call it).

So....tonight's the primary trigger night then!

Oh, and funny: I lay out the capsules/tabs (also 0.3mg melatonin) by the bed on a napkin so I don't have to fumble with bottles in the middle of the night. And for the second time after doing this I've dreamed of people taking narcotics/illegal pills. I was handing a pill to a girl and dropped it on the ground, and looked into the bottle seeing more pills, thinking she shouldn't have them anyway...

OK, well, 4mg galantamind + 300mg choline bitartrate (+ 0.3mg melatonin) doesn't do the trick. Couldn't sleep, and no HI/HH of any kind. Next time I'll try 8mg galantamind + 300 mg choline bitartrate and taking 1mg melatonin at bedtime instead of with the stuff. I may also take it earlier since the 5-hour waking is a hard back-to-bed time for me.

After that I may try 8mg galantamind and 600mg choline, and if that doesn't work, I guess that's it for now for supplements.... or perhaps I'll try 5-htp at bedtime, but that's really starting to pop too many pills for my taste.

I guess the one positive about taking these supplements at the doses you are talking about, is that they are actually quite low dosage. The Max daily amounts are generally much higher. Sticking to only 4-8kg of Galantamine and allowing a few days off should be very safe.

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

to only 4-8kg of Galantamine and allowing a few days off should be very safe.

I wonder what sort of dreams you'd get with 4-8kg of galantamine? And I suppose you'd need 300-500kg of choline to go with it?

Ha Ha! Didn't spot that! k is too close to m on my phone!

You know FryingMan, I was just thinking. Personally, I think melatonin can blunt the effects -- you may want to skip it altogether. I never take it with galantamine, and I believe Yuschak says something about melatonin's blunting effects. I also agree you may want to try earlier that 5 hours for your wake up time. Give 4 a shot. And thirdly, anything you do to improve you dreams skills in general (intentions, reality checks, meditation, a dream journal) will give the attempt more life. I have assume you already do some of these things.
--charlie

Ah - very, very interesting - will follow it - great, that you make the effort and share with us the exact details of your experimentation.
This is really valuable - thank you!
So you were lucid on your combi on the 27th?