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      Forming intuition/beliefs/values on how to live

      What's this about?
      What I am pondering is the effectiveness of following a general philosophy/intuition in life. Or perhaps if it is possible to have a general philosophy that is more effective than intuition. Because intuition is how we make decisions. Ofcourse you can attack/question anything I say and assume here. If you are never wrong or never think that you are wrong, you can't learn anything.

      But what is intuition?
      First, knowledge is an idea about X that is most coherent with reality than the other ideas about X. Then intuition is a set of ideas that is closer to reality than any other set of ideas that you have. This intuition changes with time and as you get better ideas, more knowledge. A general philosophy is the same thing.

      How to gain knowledge?
      By comparing ideas with reality. Sometimes you have multiple ideas that give the same conclusion but are different from each other. This is at least confusing if not a problem. Let's ignore this problem, let's assume that there is only 1 truth, 1 set of ideas that is most coherent with reality. Alright... But your view of reality is constantly growing, obviously, because you keep adding to your expierience, you also get new ideas. So as long as you can't see the future and as long as time exists, as long as not everything happens at the same time, (btw, according to Einstein's theories light expieriences no time, everything from it's birth to its death happens instantly) knowledge is temporary. So intuition also is temporary.

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      Isn't it a problem that intuition is temporary? That means you live in a constant state of confusion and searching. You have to evaluate the situation and make decisions on what to do every single moment. But this is pretty awesome. My conclusion is that life is an adventure.


      This was my train of thought and I used this to think. I wrote down what's in my head and read it, thought about it and changed it if I thought it was necessary and keep going if not. This post is my thoughts pretty much in the same order in time as they appeared in my head. I was just thinking about this in my head and when I found it too complicated I realized I had to write it down and think in a more organised way. That conclusion that life is an adventure really followed a few seconds after I said that you live in a constant state of confusion. Maybe you guys can add to this or completely destroy it

      If this idea is valid then it is a really strong argument to live in the moment and always remain mindful and clear headed. It also means that any kind of intuition/habit/value/philosophy or anything like that should be constantly questioned and never used as authority or blindly followed. Why did I pursue this thought and spend at least an hour on it instead when I have a mountain of urgent math homework in front of me? I have not idea. Perhaps because I'm an idiot

      Actually it is better to follow your moment to moment intuition than to follow your general philosophy because a general philosophy is just a summary/generalization of your intuitions.
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      There have been about 6 times when my intuition told me to do a certain thing, but I ignored it because I wanted to do the thing it cautioned against. It was like a small alarm inside and a small flashing light. decided on these occasions to go against it and see what happened. It had dire consequences each and every time. I need to do what the voice inside tells me to when it is warning of danger, and not act like a spoiled brat.
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      I don't understand. So your intuition told you to do something that was actually bad, so what was the thing that told you to ignore your intuition?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      What's this about?
      Why did I pursue this thought and spend at least an hour on it instead when I have a mountain of urgent math homework in front of me? I have not idea. Perhaps because I'm an idiot
      I also do a lot of such thinking especially when I have a mountain of urgent assignments and exam studying to do...

      Also, Sivason said that he didn't listen to his intuition a few times and it was a mistake.

      Personally, I have trouble understanding how you differentiate intuition and general philosophy... They seem to be the same, but where intuition is what you feel at a particular event, and the general philosophy is your collection of all the different intuitions you had before in your life?

      If that's so, I would agree with you, life is an adventure and you should probably heed your intuitions, more than your general philosophy because you should let the tree grow. Putting a child tree in a cage without light so it will never grow will only deprive it of its potential and perhaps kill it. I think the general philosophy is useful when you don't feel any particular intuition.

      Thinking about Sivason's "examples", I am wondering if I can even differentiate my intuition from my whims (or are those just synonyms...)?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post

      Thinking about Sivason's "examples", I am wondering if I can even differentiate my intuition from my whims (or are those just synonyms...)?
      They are not the same. Intuition is a sense that a certain course is important or dangerous or may have a consequence beyond the obvious. A whim is an impulse to act a certain way for the sake of the moment, not the future. (all of course is just my opinion)

      Here is one example: I am lonely as I have been off at grad school in a town dominated by a religion I do not follow (dating is difficult). I meet a girl. She has thick sensual lips; she has very large breasts on a more or less slender body and is pretty. We go to dinner; we go to my apartment; we get very drunk. She takes her shirt off; she briefly uses her mouth to excite me; she breaks down for awhile and rants about crazy things; she recovers and acts sexy again.

      I have a voice inside (intuition) that says "this girl has been abused, perhaps badly. This girl has insanity on a dangerous level. Getting involved with her is dangerous and you need to run! Be nice to her, but stop moving forward and do not sleep with her. Get away politely and safely!"

      I then had another voice (whim) "No, no, n! I want this. It is not my fault she is crazy. I am alone and sad; she is sexy and will have me. I am going to ignore my intuition and hope for the best. I guess if it [email protected]$ks up, I will learn to listen."

      Guess what? I had sex with her. Then I called her back, because I wanted more. Then I started dating her. Then she moved in with me and I was getting lots of good sex. THEN she revealed herself as the biggest crazy dangerous nut I ever could have feared. She was violent and would get drunk and go wildly insane. It took me over two years to get her out of my life.



      Also, think about the conversation you are currently in about morality and the guy who found (stole) 50 euros. If you were in his shoes, intuition would be the thing telling you there is a reason to give the money back, while whim would be the thing that could cause you to take it anyways.
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      effectiveness/good outcome: whim<general philosophy<intuition
      what actually drives us: general philosophy<intuition<whim

      It's not a complete 180 but it's pretty far off...
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      Thank you for sharing;

      I wrote a long response with my own experiences, then deleted it. (well, it was voluntarily so I can't complain)...

      I have spent a long time trying to formulate an answer now, and nothing right is coming out.

      The only thing I can come up with to express how I feel about this topic are deep lines of soft colors combined to form clouds in an eternal depth. And don't try to find any metaphors in this, I for sure didn't.

      I might try again later.


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      No whims, no intuition. Right now, it's just me. I feel powerful, for the time it lasts.
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      "Intuition is the key to thinking. Intuition is our contact between the conscious and the subconscious. It is your subconscious that suddenly comes through and lets you know that 'this is something important to be thought about'. It's intuition that is continually opening doors of thought."
      ~R. Buckminster Fuller
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      I also found that the way to become in tune with your subconsious and intuition is by practicing mindfulness. Now and then meditating but more importantly trying to remain mindful and present in the moment all day long. Like in a quiet pond, a tiny impulse is visible and causes ripples. Your subconscious often has tiny and subtle impulses and if your mind is like a swimming pool full of people splashing around, those tiny impulses are simply not noticed. Your consciousness would be analogous to the pool or pond.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      What's this about?
      What I am pondering is the effectiveness of following a general philosophy/intuition in life. Or perhaps if it is possible to have a general philosophy that is more effective than intuition. Because intuition is how we make decisions. Ofcourse you can attack/question anything I say and assume here. If you are never wrong or never think that you are wrong, you can't learn anything.

      But what is intuition?
      First, knowledge is an idea about X that is most coherent with reality than the other ideas about X. Then intuition is a set of ideas that is closer to reality than any other set of ideas that you have. This intuition changes with time and as you get better ideas, more knowledge. A general philosophy is the same thing.

      How to gain knowledge?
      By comparing ideas with reality. Sometimes you have multiple ideas that give the same conclusion but are different from each other. This is at least confusing if not a problem. Let's ignore this problem, let's assume that there is only 1 truth, 1 set of ideas that is most coherent with reality. Alright... But your view of reality is constantly growing, obviously, because you keep adding to your expierience, you also get new ideas. So as long as you can't see the future and as long as time exists, as long as not everything happens at the same time, (btw, according to Einstein's theories light expieriences no time, everything from it's birth to its death happens instantly) knowledge is temporary. So intuition also is temporary.

      The problem
      Isn't it a problem that intuition is temporary? That means you live in a constant state of confusion and searching. You have to evaluate the situation and make decisions on what to do every single moment. But this is pretty awesome. My conclusion is that life is an adventure.


      This was my train of thought and I used this to think. I wrote down what's in my head and read it, thought about it and changed it if I thought it was necessary and keep going if not. This post is my thoughts pretty much in the same order in time as they appeared in my head. I was just thinking about this in my head and when I found it too complicated I realized I had to write it down and think in a more organised way. That conclusion that life is an adventure really followed a few seconds after I said that you live in a constant state of confusion. Maybe you guys can add to this or completely destroy it

      If this idea is valid then it is a really strong argument to live in the moment and always remain mindful and clear headed. It also means that any kind of intuition/habit/value/philosophy or anything like that should be constantly questioned and never used as authority or blindly followed. Why did I pursue this thought and spend at least an hour on it instead when I have a mountain of urgent math homework in front of me? I have not idea. Perhaps because I'm an idiot

      Actually it is better to follow your moment to moment intuition than to follow your general philosophy because a general philosophy is just a summary/generalization of your intuitions.


      I've recently learned from the teachings of Carl Jung, that dreams can be interpreted as something correspondent to electricity (physics). When you have two opposite charges they attract, meet, and balance each other out until completely neutral. What i've come to understand is, you separate from your source (collective consciousness) and develop an ego consciousness which creates a learning environment in the form of a reflective cause and effect situation. Every time you wake up, you simply separate from the whole, and develop philosophies about choices and decisions, and their impacts. What happens when you dream, is you enter your data from the day into the collective consciousness (subconscious/unconsciousness). So if you're insecure (for example), you will dream of being secure and achieving all the goals you regularly fail at, however if you're mentally secure and confident you will dream of being un-confident. This is because your charges balance out when you meet the collective unconscious (void), basically neutralizing your ideologies into a neutral 0 state. Relating that to life and death, when you died in the future, you trapped yourself in fear (which slows down time/ is cold) into a seven second segment, this last 7 seconds is so scary that your entire life is stretched inversely into that seven seconds, and you experience your entire existence within that state of fear, which explains the slow, linear progression of time. In other terms, you die when you lose the fear of death (survival), when you no longer are scared of the idea of dying and merging back into the void of consciousness, you dissolve. The fear of death is what creates this time filter through which you can observe the results of your personal actions. In that way you can see how your subconscious mind (collective constructiveness) understand far more about everything than you ever will consciously. So pretty much your intuition/soul is the entire collective soul which is trying to guide you into making decisions which are correct, but most of the time oppose your personal philosophy of the ego. Your entire philosophy consists of the balance between conscious subjective perspective, and subconscious objective truth. Reality/idealism. When you die you pretty much understand everything perfectly and merge into the infinite wisdom of the source. This happens not only when you die, but every time you fall asleep, or daydream, or meditate. Not only that, but every time you blink, you momentarily enter the eternal void of the infinite to understand the precognition presented to you via dejavu, because like I mentioned earlier, this life is not linear, and you already know the answers. You're just here to attempt to merge your conscious fear, with your subconscious love, and when that happens you basically enlighten because the moment you access your subconscious consciously you realize everything that has, will or is happening. This cyclical shift which happens at every stage of time can be interpreted in many ways, but eventually all lead to the understanding that it happens not just when you die, or dream, but every time you blink. You're pretty much alive untill you choose to let go of the idea that you need to be, and accept your death, which presently happens, and when it does you die. It's sort of like you're trying to connect to your source, while disconnected, which is sort of the juxtaposition between life and death. (IMO)

      So time/life is fear, and intuition is your timeless eternal source of wisdom, which only serves to guide your conscious philosophy. It's your link to death, while not "dead". Imagination = intuition

      Love is the connection to the realm of collective unconscious, the realm of infinite wisdom, and the realm of death. Hate is the separation, it's fear.
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      Mouth wide open: Holy shit.

      Holy indeed.

      Damn..

      Shit just got real.

      ..

      Genetics are another factor to intuitive about. A body can predispose to a certain trauma by genetic inheritance of the father or mother, likely. If you experience great fear of pandas because of some huge trauma then it is likely ur kids will intuitively fear pandas. but also. it is more readily equipped to deal with the fear of pandas by this inheritance.

      As outlined roughly in this article: Mice Inherit the Fears of Their Fathers – Phenomena: Only Human itīs actually a pretty great article because it leaves the door wide open for possibilities. science-fiction

      I wholly agree with Blizzarddesigns. These are some cosmic facts. Fear is the grounding factor for intuition. It is the cosmic soul leaving an imprint on the future. Or in biological terms. It is our father's mistakes that leave us wary. But on the other hand. Fear is to be overcome. Succumbing to fear always is getting stuck in an intuitive pattern. Dealing with the fear and handling it accordingly is using Force to exert ur will into the future.
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