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      Lightbulb I finally found my path...

      Hey all,

      Just wanted to share what I discovered a couple months ago as it may help others on their journey...

      It came to me that I have been spending over 20 years researching everything and anything considered to be spiritual, supernatural or esoteric since my awakening in 2001. Yet, I've never had a mentor or teacher to guide me! It's extremely hard to find a guru in western civilization unless you join a church, cult or monastery.

      So I came to a realization that I am my own teacher and mentor! I've always just gone with what resonates as truth when reading and researching, only picking what corresponds to things I've already experienced in the past as truth. I started to see just how much I look inwards, into my inner self for answers and truth which I've been doing for many years without really knowing it. I also started to discover that this whole inner self teaching thing, is what many philosophers and teachers have hinted at throughout history - to know thyself!

      Here are some examples:
      Lao Tzu - "Mastering others is strength, mastering yourself is true power"
      Aristotle - "Mastering yourself is the beginning of all wisdom"
      Socrates - "To know thyself is the beginning of wisdom"
      Pythagoras - "Man know thyself, then thou shalt know the universe and God"
      Confucius - "What the undeveloped man seeks is outside, what the advanced man seeks is within himself"

      Not to mention...
      Jesus Christ "The kingdom of God is within..."

      I've also spent many years doing consistent meditation and believe I've reached what buddhists term "Samadhi" a number of times. So it became very clear to me that my inner self is the most important aspect to develop. Afterall, you only experience things through the perception of your self, and through deep meditation discovered that my self, the self, goes beyond all time and space, all reality, all dimensions, all form, everything to ever exist. At a very deep and core level, the self exists eternally as "I AM" and anything else we experience is just an extension from that point of perception, as though all reality is just added on top from the point of "I EXIST" or "I AM". We are constantly perceiving a reality around us, but when we stop and sit in silence just observing, we begin to notice the deeper thread of just pure existence as self.

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      I finally reached the end of my path! Or the start of a new one?

      Super Super Deep Bible Sauce
      -- for the dumasses

      I was just completing my confession when I heard Sidney Powell say that we all should come clean. I fully agree. So here it is... my confession -
      https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...g-confess.html

      And just so everyone knows, I am not taking the vaccine. I am ending my involvement with Satan. If Satan wants to change and walk with Jesus then I would love to be his friend. He's one hell of a party animal. But if he doesn't, then Fuck Off Asshole. Do you see my salute? And that goes for everyone, anyone that tries to chain me down with their judgments. Judge not, least ye be judged. C'mon people! If I need reproof then show me your best.

      I'm following Jesus the best I can. If you don't also, that's your doing. I won't be any part of it unless you can dazzle me with something more awesome. Good luck with that! Well, the New Year's Space Needle show in Seattle was pretty cool. Hear me people! We are on a path leading to certain destruction for everyone but for the people who steal it all for themselves. How many bank robberies haven't we seen?

      I love my freedom. It's all mine. It ain't yours. Yours is yours and maybe I'll defend your right to your freedom. Depends on what you want to use it for. With freedom comes great responsibility. So here's the cure for everything. I mean everything. Every ailment. Every problem you need to solve. Ready? Okay. You do not have free will.

      Anybody that thinks they have free will is an idiot. At least in that moment and for all the time they don't understand. Just how exactly are you going to use your time as you mingle and share your existence with everybody else? Was it from you the word of God came forth or only as far as you that it reached?

      Show me where Jesus had free will. Show me. All Jesus had was a moment to demonstrate his ability to understand his environment and work within it to his best ability. Otherwise, it could turn out to be an unwanted/unexpected death for him. Get it? If he didn't do what he did, and maybe even the way he did it, would he/could he ever be the Messiah? THAT is a teacher if I ever saw one. Do you now see the false prophets? The false teachers? It's brain damage. It's epidemic. Ignorance is very contagious. But there are demons. They are real. You who are awake know what they look like. How they work. They can be removed.

      I'm here to share whatever talent I have to help the situation of this environment in a positive way, whatever that means. And have a good time doing it. Maybe somebody with more talent can take this to a new level. But when I'm done, I'm done. I decide that. I care what some dumass authority tries to shackle me down with. I don't work for idiots. But God? I love this experience and I'll use up every moment I have in it. And I don't have to worry whether I end up in Heaven or hell. But if I'm heading for hell, then this is where I try to get you to turn back.

      They can't kill Jesus. That's something everybody needs to understand. So what is it about Jesus that drives some people so crazy they need to kill him? Destroy him? I will tell you what I know. They cannot own you otherwise and it is their goal to own it ALL for themselves. They don't care if they kill their own family to do it. Whatever it takes to have it all. That's a very hungry demon and you are it's breakfast IF you are stupid enough to allow this to happen. So walk with Jesus and that demon can't do anything to harm you unless You are Your body. Are you? Your body is just a tool. Now do you know why you were created? It is to experience Heaven on Earth. Not hell. Right or wrong? Why do you think you are here in this moment instead of IN Heaven? Lust plays a really big part in that. Waking up can be hard to do. Birth pains are a bitch.

      There is a way to bind these demons and remove them from our children forever and therein lies eternal life. It is very simple. Jesus. I'm not saying you must submit to an authority you think was fabricated but to reach an understanding. The tool Jesus gave us to use is based in the prayer he taught his disciples. And it goes like this:

      O Blessed Father, who art in Heaven
      Hallowed be Thy Name!
      Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done
      on Earth as it is in Heaven.
      I praise You this day for the love I witnessed
      and the forgiving of my transgressions
      as I forgave those who have offended me.
      Your wisdom guides me from temptation and
      Your compassion has preserved me from evil.
      Your blessings refresh and exalt my life.
      I pray my journey to Your light
      is always in step with Your will O Lord,
      my strength and my redeemer
      to whom my soul is entrusted!
      So wherever I am, (?). Amen

      That affirmation is mine. You can use whatever affirmation, request or petition you need. It's just a meditation to help me keep my focus on my mission. It's easy to pluralize it too if you need to.

      Use the prayer published in the Bible if you want but first justify and validate it. Just because it's published, doesn't make it so. I can demonstrate how it was built/devised, but that does not mean that it is the true way especially when you see its final destination. Then you will see what it's really been used for. A tool of control over you by others with more insight. Hello Satan. You can't hide from me.

      Feed your head. Control your ego. Feel the force. Then you will know how to snap your fingers and make demons disappear. They don't like that at first and flee quickly but then you can use that ability like petting a pet. And then they will serve you! But understand they have an appetite just like you do.

      So, can you see what will happen when we all can do this? Clash of the Titans? I love the movies. Let's make this one especially awesome.

      Seriously. If I, Jesus, or anyone, reads John's Revelation into reality, it'll become one big mess that will take centuries to clean up. Is that what you really want? We have another job to do. Fix this planet. I'm asking for your help. EVIL has everything out of balance. The snake is eating its tail because it is sick and we can use this to our advantage. Refocus your energies. We can play later. This is important. Otherwise, it could be a few thousand more years to establish Heaven on Earth. And why not? I love my children!

      Is my lobotomy ready yet? I told you, I'm not taking the vaccine. I'm not sick. And if I was, then I'll get through it like I always do or die from whatever it is. I have been poisoned countless times by countless people all my life and I'm still here. You are not my doctor. I am not your property. You have no right to trespass. Do Not Tread On Me. You'll just have to shoot me or whatever.

      Do I have any friends out there? I don't want to impose my BS on you. I didn't write this script. I just prepared it for this moment. This is how it is. I'm revealing my awareness of the situation and I don't care if you don't like it. I don't care if you think this is a joke. Just how is any of this experience an illusion? That answer is: Before it happens. And then just a memory afterwards if you are mindful enough to retain it.

      I'm not doing this to entertain you. I'm just putting out there what I was told to do by God Himself. Not a joke. He told me to get my understanding up to speed and then effectively tell everyone to get right with Jesus. And He meant everyone. I said it would take a platform that anyone could access at the moment they're ready so Your message will be there for them. That exchange happened in November of 1973. Way before home computers. How could I know there was going to be an internet? We were still using rotary phones!

      It is past time we put EVIL to bed and keep it there. You've heard this message before. Confess. Repent. Walk in the light. It would help to be the example too so everyone behind you can see you're going in the right direction. Then that "do as I ask, not as I do" scenario can also be put to bed. No, On second thought maybe not. We all have a job to do and I don't want to lose Loki. He's a lot of fun to play with and he's the one who put me up to do any of this. If it wasn't for him, I'm pretty confident I would have told you all to go to hell. And not just any hell. Eternal hell. Because I'm dealing with brain damage. Wanna play a game?

      Jesus is the only way that God prepared for us. No one has proven otherwise to anyone. And what Jesus taught everyone was common sense. Get with it or do better. We no longer have the time to just let the dead bury their dead, unfortunately.

      To get started, I want to demonstrate to the best of my ability why Jesus was crucified and hope this story helps open your eyes. It won't take long and it won't be wasted time unless you make it that way.

      When Jesus taught in the synagogues, it was written the people were amazed and understood the history and its message even better than the way they had been taught before. Upon seeing this, the priests and some community leaders conspired and agreed that anyone who believed Jesus to be the Messiah and wouldn't shut-up about it, would be put out of the synagogue which would then put them one step away from being stoned to death. So much like today and I'm going to show you just how so.

      In Luke 10:18, Jesus said he watched Satan come down from heaven like a flash of lightning, but not when or where. What? I thought I was taught that Satan has been here on Earth since the beginning. So, when where did that happen? I surmise it's in the story written in Matthew 4, that over told story where Jesus gets tempted by Satan. I ask you, how old was Jesus? Most everyone believes he was in his twenties and everyone else doesn't have a clue and could care or less or they would know what I know. Jesus was not older than nine years old.

      To grow up learning so many stories that could support his role as the Messiah and what needs to be done and the plans being laid out at the supper table to accomplish prophecy no doubt caused Jesus to run away from home. What would you do? I know I would. That's too much work! Too much responsibility!

      So right at the start of Matthew 4, we read Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to do of all things, be tempted by the devil. That's right! Jesus wanted to pick a fight with the devil. Give me a break! He just experienced that situation. And then immediately we're told he is gone forty days and nights. Hold on. This chapter comes after his baptism by John. Why would Jesus go fasting and challenge temptation after his baptism? Aren't you supposed to do that before your baptism? Isn't that why there was a voice from heaven at his baptism saying "This is my Son with whom I am well pleased and will bless". Are you getting it now? Hold on.

      If that was Satan that tempted Jesus, then why did Jesus do all three things? Give me a break! How blind are your eyes? And Satan didn't come at the end like it says, he came early on and began by saying, "Look kid, your hungry, so if you really are the Son of God, change these stones into loaves of bread." Instead of changing stones into loaves of bread, it was water into wine. And just read the hissy fit he went into before he did that!

      Then Jesus was tempted to commit suicide. Well, a forty day and night fast for a nine year old is just that. Note it is written at the end of Matthew 4 the angels came and ministered him back to health. That is prophecy fulfilled.

      Then what? Jesus was asked by this devil to worship him and everything, every kingdom, all, will become his. What did Jesus say? Get away from me Satan! I believe it was his actual father because it was only at the end that Jesus said that - but Jesus claims it was his father's emissary in the book of Luke and so revealing he, Jesus, is clueless.

      So did Jesus do anything to worship this satan? Not directly. The instruction was to commit a sacrilege. Don't you remember the poor guy who was stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath? Look in the book of Numbers. Jesus performed just that in his teachings which went against the church doctrines and exposed them for the criminal fraud they are. Just look at the result. The life of Jesus and the good news of being saved, being freed and come to live in Heaven for eternity is actively taught all over the world - although in error.

      That's right. The translation in use is a trap to ensnare anyone claiming to be Jesus or even effectively announce his coming. So if Jesus is killed, physically or by erroneous teachings, then he can't claim ownership of every kingdom and so on and so forth. Too much for you, isn't it? Really? Just watch how many teachers, preachers, ministers, people in high places, low places, demons, say what they have to say and do what they have to do to shut me down and cause you to divert your attention back onto their mind control platform where you have become comfortably numb. Then imagine what they would actually do to Jesus if you can. Understand it now? No? How about this way...

      The entire wealth of the Rothschild's and most all their agents belong to the USA. Think RICO act. Can't you see their wolves working hard to steal it all for themselves? Welcome to the real world.

      I was supposed to re-write the story of Jesus in chronological order and in the correct English translation. It was early on when I got the beginning story of John the Baptist done that I realized this exercise was meant for everyone to do as if making the journey to enlightenment. To just read the corrected story would not produce the same result unless it was 100% accurate and shown on the big screen with all the tools to induce the messages of the Holy Spirit instead of performing the exercises to connect with it. All the Jesus movies so far are nothing but BS to me so I guess I will have to get that job done someday.

      Devils Advocate, Brazil, Time Bandits, 1984, Brave New World, Star Wars, Age of Ultron, Monsters Inc., The Matrix, Love and Monsters, The Kingsmen, Constantine, (I could go on and on) are done much better in my opinion. And I love you guys! You're really getting the hang of it!

      Meanwhile, take the vaccine and enjoy your death as a lobotomized humanoid that is owned for the rest of eternity. Bad Robot!! Adam and Eve were encouraged to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge so humanity could grow and thrive and become better than the way we started as they demonstrated the consequences of exercising free will and succumbing to temptation. Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. Amen. Thank you Jesus! Rock on baby!! Puritans can be the most evil people I have ever known next to all the animals wearing human costumes. I will not go peacefully as a prisoner of war. Justice must prevail. The Rothschild's satanic drive to install world wide communism must come to an end. EVIL must be put to bed.

      I pray the Holy Spirit has come upon you and opened your eyes and ears to the message you were meant to receive and that it opens your heart to the power of love that causes you to rise up and live the life that praises His Glory. Anything else obviously leads to death and/or risks injury to others. Jesus worked miracles then suffered and gave up his life for you so you would have a foundation to stand and build your life upon so that God can live for eternity with you and you with him. Jesus did this because he really, really loves you. Satan's appetite, on the other hand, enslaves and destroys you. Are you any wiser yet? Just wait till the fog clears. When it does, death will be no more - figuratively speaking that is.

      Tis the season of the harvest. Open your eyes and rejoice. Jesus will be violated once again Unless we sequester and suppress EVIL, then focus our energies on returning the magnetic poles to their proper location and clean this planet up of all our pollution. There are so many teachings and only a few good teachers. The entertainment industry is a powerful tool. - Please guys, use it responsibly!

      The last thing any real person wants is a total end to their humanity and that is what will happen to you if you do not wake up right here, right now! So please forgive me for delaying this knowledge. Beseech Jesus to enlighten you to do what is right or die forever. Have you never learned your body is the temple of God? Please don't do as I do!! Please do as I ask!! And please, Let me do my job.

      Let's drop everyone possessed by EVIL from a helicopter into an active volcano on live TV. The children will love it. Firing squads and guillotines are nice but clearly lack the impact.

      Hello Jesus. So nice to see you again. How's it been? Got any good stories to tell? Up to going to the lake for some fishing? I love being with you. Your energy and all its colors is awesome to behold. Thank you for being here. This life, this experience, would have been a waste of time without you. At least for me, anyway, because you are an incredible teacher. How's Dad? I've missed him and yet he is always with me. I wish he would come by more often. Well, kinda sorta. I love it when he's happy.

      Those who are getting their crayons taken away are not going to be happy. That spanking they're about to get is probably going to hurt. If you think bullshit stinks, just wait till you find yourself mired in kek.

      So, where do we go from here?
      It is such a relief to get this monkey off my back.
      Sorry it took up so much space

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      Quote Originally Posted by Eonnn View Post

      So I came to a realization that I am my own teacher and mentor! I've always just gone with what resonates as truth when reading and researching, only picking what corresponds to things I've already experienced in the past as truth. I started to see just how much I look inwards, into my inner self for answers and truth which I've been doing for many years without really knowing it. I also started to discover that this whole inner self teaching thing, is what many philosophers and teachers have hinted at throughout history - to know thyself!


      I've also spent many years doing consistent meditation and believe I've reached what buddhists term "Samadhi" a number of times. So it became very clear to me that my inner self is the most important aspect to develop. Afterall, you only experience things through the perception of your self, and through deep meditation discovered that my self, the self, goes beyond all time and space, all reality, all dimensions, all form, everything to ever exist. At a very deep and core level, the self exists eternally as "I AM" and anything else we experience is just an extension from that point of perception, as though all reality is just added on top from the point of "I EXIST" or "I AM". We are constantly perceiving a reality around us, but when we stop and sit in silence just observing, we begin to notice the deeper thread of just pure existence as self.

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      This is exactly what i came too. I read all the Hindu stuff saying you needed to have a guru and they would give you a mantra, and so on. This is nothing more than a way to retain some control. What is a religion if there is no one to pay tithe? Some want an easy path. Think of how tempting this sounds, "no work needed, say this prayer and you are forgiven. Then just accept this from now on and you get all the rewards of Heaven. All those non-such and such go to Hell regardless of their constant devotion to growth." Very tempting for those who want a quick fix.
      On a first basic level just learning about yourself and your mental blocks/psychi is key to getting yourself together enough to have a firm patch of ground to conduct your further seeking from. "I AM" so much mystery in that, something to fuel growth for a long time. So overlooked and taken for granted.

      ---Interesting response you got, isn't it. How dare anyone seek, you know.----
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      ---Interesting response you got, isn't it. How dare anyone seek, you know.----
      I didn't read it to be honest, seemed like a TLDR wall of text and probably just copy pasta anyway, sorry no offense LDyogi.

      Honestly, if Jesus returned today or tomorrow as many hope he would, he would be absolutely gobsmacked and ashamed of what the church has become and done in his name. Vatican is probably richest corporation to ever exist, without all their believers/followers they would go broke. The corruption and everything else is disgraceful. Being holy, means being wholesome, it means being purity and pure in every possible way like the buddhist 8 fold path being pure in mind, body, soul and deed. To attain such, is to become a saint but nowadays we have nothing but unholy pedo priests and people ordained as a saint for all the wrong reasons. Have you ever heard of a pedo buddhist monk? No. Of course not! Why? because compassion is a core fundamental principle. A compassionate person would never do such a thing to a child or anyone else for that matter. It is a truly sick and twisted state of affairs, over 20,000 alterations in the bible to date, teachings twisted to fuel their own needs and agenda.

      Anyway moving on, you are absolutely 100% correct... you can't really help others until you first help yourself, we have to learn who we are and know what we truly are before being able to help others. Otherwise, we are of little help to anyone even ourselves. The trouble as well is that they teach so much useless crap in school, program people via "TV Programs" and the media, there is this system of indoctrination, brainwashing and control that makes it nearly impossible to think for oneself and get a proper education. Where was the meditation or lucid dreaming class in highschool? the PHD in meditation or lucid dreaming? exactly.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Eonnn View Post
      Have you ever heard of a pedo buddhist monk? No. Of course not! Why? because compassion is a core fundamental principle. A compassionate person would never do such a thing to a child or anyone else for that matter.
      Sadly, this is a misconception that I once shared. Humans are sometimes broken. That is true regardless of country of origin. Religion is attractive to mentally ill people. I am not saying only ill people become zealous, but broken people are drawn to that easy path. they get to be superior while putting in no self work. Buddhists and Hindus are basically people just born into it. Think how many of us thought of native American beliefs as pure and good. Natives did horrible grotesque stuff, like every culture. I assume pedo priests are universal.

      That human factor is a good reason to base your own path around an ability to pick and choose from only the good parts of religion and think for yourself.
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      Wow, yes I didn't consider that. You are right, even buddhists keep secrets and have done for centuries only sharing their true and hidden teachings with those they deem worthy. Just look at Dzogchen tribe for evidence of this, and yes native americans and other cultures and religions going to war in the name of God, declaring their religion to be the one and only true religion. How humane of them *sarcasm* if they really believed in God, they wouldn't do these things, they also wouldn't need a religion to believe in God or be close with God.
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      Let me just start by saying that one of the things I like about DV is the diverse points of view that people bring to it. It seems like there are increasingly few places out there, on the internet or otherwise, where one actually encounters radically different perspectives and can still have a friendly conversation with the people holding them – even while knowing that they are incontestably wrong, and that they’re thinking exactly the same thing about you, but also recognizing that if tolerance depended on actually coming to an agreement about something, we would all be doomed. And so let me be clear about this: I’m not here to convert anyone. But there are so many misunderstandings out there about Buddhism that I don’t like to let an opportunity to respond to them pass by.

      Let me also start by saying, yes, Buddhism is by no means exempt from its equivalent of pedo priests, or, for that matter, any of the moderately unpleasant things that start to happen when you get more than two people in a room together. A Buddhist in the West today is in the fortunate position of practicing a religion that is not the cultural ‘default’ and confers no generally accepted social prestige on its practitioners, and so there’s probably less problems here than there would be otherwise. But there are problems and, I'm sure, always will be.


      Quote Originally Posted by Eonnn View Post
      You are right, even buddhists keep secrets and have done for centuries only sharing their true and hidden teachings with those they deem worthy.
      This is also worth mentioning because one of the reasons some Buddhist teachings were kept secret in the past is because of persecution – from other Buddhists. The other reason is, essentially, out of respect for these teachings, since they’re very easy to misunderstand if you don’t have all the context. But that was a different time. I think the worst that happens nowadays is people surreptitiously editing other lineages’ Wikipedia pages, and enough teachers have come to the understanding that in the modern world, the secrecy is even more liable to be misunderstood than the teachings are, that everything is publicly available anyway.

      But the thing is, if human beings were all already fantastic at being kind and seeing reality as it is without feeling the need to project our own hang-ups and bugbears all over it, we wouldn’t need any sort of a spiritual path, religious or otherwise – or, for that matter, any of the non-spiritual alternatives that are out there.

      This is why I think the problems don’t constitute an argument against Buddhism. (And while I tend to think that faith is a rather problematic basis for a religion, let me go ahead and play – ahem – devil’s advocate and include Christianity here as well.) You may have resources to draw on that aren’t necessarily available to those who are working entirely alone, but that still doesn’t mean it’s easy. And when you want to help others on their own journeys, there’s something uniquely valuable in choosing to walk a path that others are walking as well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by LeaningKarst View Post
      This is why I think the problems don’t constitute an argument against Buddhism. (And while I tend to think that faith is a rather problematic basis for a religion, let me go ahead and play – ahem – devil’s advocate and include Christianity here as well.) You may have resources to draw on that aren’t necessarily available to those who are working entirely alone, but that still doesn’t mean it’s easy. And when you want to help others on their own journeys, there’s something uniquely valuable in choosing to walk a path that others are walking as well.
      There is great value in religion. I had an amazing experience involving forming my opinions on this. I was awaken one morning by a loud voice, "seek the Krishnas, they will know a spiritual master." Well this was shocking! I got up and went to the phone book, and found nothing. I actually called a Buddhist temple to see if they know of the existence of a Krishna temple (that irritated the person who answered.) I set this aside and went on with the day. That same day at a dinner party, my sisters friend approached me. He showed me a card from some Vedic group that advertised a free meal. He said as I was deeply involved in Eastern traditions he hoped I would go with him. He then said, "it is those Krishna people." Well, you know I had to go. That weekend I went and mentioned to the lady of the temple, the voice. Her jaw dropped and she told me that the next weekend her "spiritual master" was coming. The words "spiritual master" were exactly how they referred to this man. Him coming was a huge event for them. They arranged for me to spend some time with him in private.
      We talked about many things and I asked him some questions about the things they had told me the week before. They told me not to rest the book on my feet, did God not create feet, why would God be squeamish like that? "You can rest the book on your feet, God does not care." I was told not to chant in the restroom, is that not bizarre, as if God does not want his praise sung at all points in life? "Chanting is always good and you can feel free to pray or chant on the toilet" And so on. He pointed out that in order to have a religion there is going to be tradition based in the values or habits of some culture. He praised all the charity that religions are involved in. He pointed out that preservation of mystic or insightful thought needs to have a tradition of repeating it back exactly and changing nothing even a little. He end with telling me that I did not need religion as I had a developed spiritual connection with the divine, but to please see the value it holds for most people and not judge it based on the strict rules or "silly" traditions. This day helped form my world view as I was only around 20 at the time.
      Buddhism is one of the better traditions to follow if you want a shared path that is clearly marked out. Learning the eightfold path and 4 noble truths are great starting places that can give the person years worth of good self improvement. On the other side of this is that some will be constrained within the tradition and unable to explore outside of that. In my own life I will give an example of how I strongly disagree with one key principle. That is the desire to remove all Karmic attachment in an attempt to reunite with the infinite getting off the wheel of life/ death/ rebirth. I think this is destructive negative thinking. It makes many wallow in an idea that life sucks and is bad. Life is the gift! Use the teachings to gain mastery so that when you reincarnate you are moving forward and becoming more beautiful and pure. Why the hell would I want to stop existing? I like ice cream and sex. I want to grow and become beautiful, not go back to part of the one. The one separated me off on purpose. Just an example of how I can not myself follow the Buddhist path faithfully. I take so very much from that path but radically disagree on where it is leading.
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      I also like buddhism, mainly because it goes back the furthest out of all existing religions today and they act with compassion. Heck, I discovered meditation thanks to it!

      But I truly believe, you don't need a religion to believe in God, or to find and develop a connection with God or the divine, spirit, however you want to phrase it.

      The only true religion is being close to God yourse;f, and not relying on some man-made system that everyone should follow.

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      Woah, Sivason – that’s quite a story.

      I’m not at all familiar with Krishnas – they had a presence in a city where I used to live, and ran what was probably the best vegetarian restaurant I’ve ever known, but that’s about it. Seems they have a different way of looking at religion than Buddhism, though – which isn’t surprising. But I think that sometimes people go looking for a definition of religion that works equally well for all of them when religions, in practice, often have very different ideas about what they do, and the cultures they exist in have their own ideas as well. Buddhism and Hinduism, and probably others too, only got collective names when people from outside cultures came along and named them. According to Hinduism, Buddhists are Hindus – but not according to Buddhism. And I wonder sometimes whether the whole of New Age thought and practice doesn’t have as good a claim on being a religion as both of them, only a sufficiently influential person from somewhere else hasn’t come along and said so yet.

      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      He pointed out that preservation of mystic or insightful thought needs to have a tradition of repeating it back exactly and changing nothing even a little.
      I’m a little surprised, though, that the focus was on the thought here rather than practices. But then, I came to Buddhism as a person who was intensively involved in Western intellectual and artistic traditions (and, importantly, with my own dream life) and who had independently reached a Buddhist view of reality. I was a philosophy student – I wouldn’t have wanted it any other way. But what I found uniquely valuable was a language to describe everything I had discovered and a set of methods for realizing what I had come to value.

      Up until that point, I’d been following my own path, but out of necessity, not because I’d chosen it. And, looking ahead, it seemed to me that going it alone really wouldn’t be viable for the sort of life I wanted to be living – i.e., continuing to be intensively involved in Western culture and all its problematic legacies. I'd accomplished what I'd originally set out to do when I set out to explore dreams, and after that, looking inward became much less interesting than doing things, creating things, and trying to figure the world out. And, possibly, trying to help the world figure itself out.

      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Life is the gift! Use the teachings to gain mastery so that when you reincarnate you are moving forward and becoming more beautiful and pure. Why the hell would I want to stop existing? I like ice cream and sex.
      I don’t know how it is that Vajrayana, which is the side of Buddhism that’s concerned with exactly this sort of thing, is known so much less than the renunciation side of things. But the truth is, even all the negative stuff is life-affirming when you see it as a preparation for a life where you can enjoy all the sex and ice cream you want without attachment (which, to be clear, is not a synonym for liking things. It denotes a problematic emotional pattern colored mainly by desire – so more akin to addiction).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Eonnn View Post
      I also like buddhism, mainly because it goes back the furthest out of all existing religions today and they act with compassion. Heck, I discovered meditation thanks to it!

      But I truly believe, you don't need a religion to believe in God, or to find and develop a connection with God or the divine, spirit, however you want to phrase it.

      The only true religion is being close to God yourse;f, and not relying on some man-made system that everyone should follow.
      Basically, the Buddhist philosophy here advises not get too attached to any particular means of getting where you’re going – and then use whichever of the thousands of means of getting there it offers is appropriate for where you are now. Given that there’s so much multiplicity within Buddhism, it makes it relatively easy to appreciate other folks’ methods even when they’re headed somewhere else.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LeaningKarst View Post
      I don’t know how it is that Vajrayana, which is the side of Buddhism that’s concerned with exactly this sort of thing, is known so much less than the renunciation side of things. But the truth is, even all the negative stuff is life-affirming when you see it as a preparation for a life where you can enjoy all the sex and ice cream you want without attachment (which, to be clear, is not a synonym for liking things. It denotes a problematic emotional pattern colored mainly by desire – so more akin to addiction).
      That is for sure what I mean about using the teachings to gain mastery.
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      Quote Originally Posted by LeaningKarst View Post
      I'd accomplished what I'd originally set out to do when I set out to explore dreams, and after that, looking inward became much less interesting than doing things, creating things, and trying to figure the world out. And, possibly, trying to help the world figure itself out.
      This made me think and gave me some insight about myself. Maybe, this could be part of why I feel out of touch with others within the same sub-cultures as me sometimes, in particular art-related ones. I try to bring values into the groups I participate in and I guess these values are sometimes kind of alien to those groups. But it's probably not just values, it's just perspective on life in general?

      Here, this type of discussion and those values are already part of why a discussion happens sometimes; in other places, people will often not engage with me in the way I was expecting, or hoping for. Perhaps other peoples' silence there is also some kind of acknowledgement too at times, I just can't be sure either way. I get the impression sometimes people shy away from thinking too much, from letting themselves feel or immerse into those things, that they don't want to muddle thoughts about life into the rest of their escapism and enjoyment of such things. A life-long issue for me I suppose, it feels alienating when I try to participate in things and basically find myself unable to fit in with groups that I otherwise relate to.

      I don't mean to sound like I'm constantly trying to force things on people elsewhere; I'm more subtle than anything usually and I think I only ever try gentle nods or pushes towards something. I don't think I or my views in general are superior to anyone and I just want people to think a little sometimes, explore themselves and their own views of the world and appreciate certain things.

      Anyway, this sounds very broad I suppose, because I don't feel able to give specific examples... But it's a part of why I have had dreams about my art over the last year. I can only speak for my own experience anyway and a reminder that this is just my opinion; I think what I find is that there are many artists and people who enjoy art, who are almost locked into a very closed or specific range of artistic creation and this is a trend I have noticed over the last few years with particular regard to music.

      I know that musical artists sometimes start doing something in a certain "genre" and then that establishes an expectation that the artist will always be making that type of thing... It's not an existence I can quite imagine for myself as an artist, to only do and be known for one style of thing, for all time.

      This reply got much longer than I expected and I don't know if I properly expressed what I was thinking and feeling anyway. I think my point is that my own way of "trying to help the world figure itself out" can make me feel isolated, at times, because I can't think any other way and I can't choose to act differently, as it would betray what my life experience teaches me and amounts to.
      Singled out from some of my favourite quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri: "Risks of [Planet] flowering: considerable. But rewards of godhood: who can measure? - Usurper Judaa'Maar: Courage: to question."

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      I wouldn't advise a church, cult, or monastery as a good place to find a guru. Seems more like jumping from one herd to another. Escaping from one society to another. I think an authentic guru would end up throwing you to yourself anyway. They can only help you to a certain point. But it would probably very difficult to find one who isn't deceived themselves.

      I can see where a guru can come in handy though. Especially when it comes to spirituality where its so easy to go astray, to deceive yourself, to let a few experiences get to your head. They can help to keep you in line.


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