Thread: sleep deprivation study

i havent fainted yet but that seems a reasonable outcome.

hey guys i am a bit worried for you.. sleep deprivation is fine.. but do you have any idea of what happend if you do it too much? or if you push your polyphasic sleep at the limit? i know because i have been sleeping for 3 hrs per night for 3 months a few years back, no napping in the rest of the daygoing to bed at 4-4.30 and getting up at 7

the problem is not staying awake, the real problems arouse when you go to bed, basically your brain is not able to understand if you are sleeping or not and it start messing around with your senses, you start to dream while awake whit open eye. so, now you have allucination, someone can say it is funny to be hallucinated.

let me say when sleep deprived IT IS NOT!!

an that is just because the hipnagogic allucination ( th eones that occur in this cases, dreaming while still awake ) tend to happen whit the brain centers of terror activated, even seeing a butterfly will make you crazy jus because you fear it. you will fear everything.

i tried it and it is NOT pleasurable

just wanted to say it because i don't want someone who doesn't know starts to have the terror of going to bed because of the things that happen, thus worsening the situation

hope it's all clear
weaver

ahh tahts really cool. i was always wondering why stuff like that happens. that would really suck if you werent able to falls asleep ever again. youd literally die in fear of a butterfly o_O.

Originally Posted by weaver_rage

hey guys i am a bit worried for you.. sleep deprivation is fine.. but do you have any idea of what happend if you do it too much? or if you push your polyphasic sleep at the limit? i know because i have been sleeping for 3 hrs per night for 3 months a few years back, no napping in the rest of the daygoing to bed at 4-4.30 and getting up at 7

the problem is not staying awake, the real problems arouse when you go to bed, basically your brain is not able to understand if you are sleeping or not and it start messing around with your senses, you start to dream while awake whit open eye. so, now you have allucination, someone can say it is funny to be hallucinated.

let me say when sleep deprived IT IS NOT!!

an that is just because the hipnagogic allucination ( th eones that occur in this cases, dreaming while still awake ) tend to happen whit the brain centers of terror activated, even seeing a butterfly will make you crazy jus because you fear it. you will fear everything.

i tried it and it is NOT pleasurable

just wanted to say it because i don't want someone who doesn't know starts to have the terror of going to bed because of the things that happen, thus worsening the situation

hope it's all clear
weaver

I've midly experienced wha tyou're saying. After a long time of sleep deprivation, just closing your eyes will make your brain believe you are sleeping. It's realy weird (and hard to explain).

But what you mentioned is just GREAT for inducing LDs, if you ask me lol

I've decided that sleep deprivation might actually help me in my quest to reach a WILD.

I'ma see how much I can stay awake.

Currently staying up for 13 hours.

wait,

did any of you read the part about:

ABSOLUTE TERROR

it's no kidding.. you try it the first time..you don't want to try it again

anyway i don't think it is useful for lucid dreaming, even knowing what was happening to me i was unable to make it stop or to ignore the fear, i think that is relate to the fact that you are not really sleeping, there is no paralisis,, just your brain adding things to your sensory perception

I've been trying to get my sleep cycle back in sync with the working day. So far I've had 4 hours sleep in the past 53 hours, all in one go, and the last time I slept was 25 hours ago.

It's not much fun. Probably not the best time to take place in debates on philosphical, scientific, or moral issues!

weaver, self control is not easy. Controling fears is not easy. But I learned to deal with my fear of heights, and now I'm pretty sure i can deal with anything.

And I'm pretty sure that can be useful for lucid dreaming. I mean, it is actually a dream - it just starts differently from a normal one. You get into REM and all.

I once didn't sleep for 4 days. I was so f*cked up by the end of it I was trying to feed a dollar bill to a tree.

Hahaha believe it or not I've gone 7 days (168 hours) without sleep before (Due to insomnia bipolar and amphetamines), and experienced no hallucinations, but a fair bit of disassociation from reality eg: not feeling as if im there, feeling like I'm dreaming, feeling out of the loop as if everything is just happening around me.

But another time I went 4 days without sleep and on the last day took 300mg of DXM (a cough suppressant and dissociative) and as I was coming out of it, I had typical sleep deprivation hallucinations. My friends face who was sitting next to me didnt look the same as usual, but I couldnt remember what she usually looks like which threw me. And I thought my mum was going to stab me because she walked into my room idly fiddling with a knife as she was talking. I didn't get paranoid, I actually kind of enjoyed it haha. Sorry about the long post and I stress that I dont condone drug use, do not use drugs (anymore), and that DXM is just a legal antitussive (cough suppressant).

I managed to go 36 hours once, at an all night gaming party... athough as soon as I walked away from the screen, I pretty much collapsed . I had some pretty bizarre dreams but nothing out of the ordinary.

thats what i do most of the time when i stay up for a day or two.

anyone have any more interesting stories? ive been catching up on sleep lately and havent really thought about deprivation. no more gaming parties for me at least.

On my way to Switzerland about a week ago I stayed awake for about 40 hours, and this is what happened:

I always have a second life like everyday because I'm practically nocturnal. I hadn't slept on the night I went and I was finally tired at about 24 hours. We went on a train from Geneva to Bex and on the way I was worn out and actually nodding off. It was weird because I have never in my entire life experienced where you are at that stage. I knew I had to watch the stations but I kept drifting into subconsciousness. At one point I thought I was in my kitchen at home and then I thought, "WTFs up with this big dirty train then?! OMG!!!" and then I remembered I was actually hundreds of miles away. Similar things kept happening.

When I actually got to the place I had like a third life and I just wasn't tired at all. I had a meal and even did two hours of aikido at the dojo there (it was actually an aikido trip to meet the Swiss clubs). I felt far more alert than I do now. At 36 hours I still felt fine but I had a few drinks and although I didn't get drunk that still made it hard to tell what the effects of SD were. At about 40 hours I went to sleep and nothing happened, no voices or anything. I'm particularly intregued by the train journey though.

The main thing on the train was that I felt seperate, as if I wasn't really there. It was SO weird being on the edge of sleep.

Reviving this. Currently at 33 hours... I think. Enh, its over 30 at least. I'm going for 48 as a goal, which shouldn't be too much of a problem right now. I feel wide awake.

The only thing I'm noticing is my leg muscles are a little sore-ish, and my knees feel slightly sore and weak. Other than that, I'm good.

You know, I hold the hypothesis that learning is easier when sleep deprived. For an extent of reasons I believe it makes memorisation easier.

I've yet to verify that, though.

does anyone think that sleep deprivation makes dreams different? as in more vivid, easier to become lucid or just plain weirder?

Wait, so does sleep deprievation give you a better chance at getting a lucid?

I don't know about whether it increases your chances for a LD, but for me it:

-Makes me paranoid about EVERYTHING.
-Makes me physically sick.
-Makes me feel detached from reality.

Last time I tried, it wasn't fun...

I haven't had much sleep this weekend. Been awake around 50 hours..
I didn't even deprive myself of sleep intentionally but I keep seeing little things that look like fireflies on the walls.

I've done about 50 hours before, but during that time I was VERY active, I'd ridden the entire stretch of from my house in Southport to Formby Pine Woods, which is around 14 miles, then took a detour back home along the sea front, probably about 20miles.
This was in Summer 2007 at around 4 am Hardly ever see a single person. And our town is normally PACKED in summer because of tourists coming to the beach. I'd not slept since I finished a decent 10~ hour sleep of which i awoke at 10am, so after I'd been for that bikeride on my own-

(25 Hours awake): I met my friend danny at about 11am and went on bikes to go shopping, and his uncle owns a resteraunt near the sea front, we went and got a free lamb meal there
it was about 4pm now-

(30 Hours awake): The high I got from the joy of great weather and aeorobic exercise on my bike started to leave me now, and I felt a bit more drowsy after that meal. I remember his uncle (Mike) saying to Danny "Gawd... I'm so damn tired... I got like 5 hours sleep last night " Danny pointed to me and said "He's not been to sleep for over 24 hours " And I looked wide-awake.
So we went and got some cheap brand "RedBull" energy drink from the Morrisons supermarket nearby (Those of you that don't live in the UK, it's called RedRooser hahaha )
And by 8PM we were back home, chilling in his bedroom watching TV until the energy drink was just... Pure clashing with my fatigue and I demanded we went out
So-

(35 Hours awake): It's about 9PM, drowiziness unnoticeable until my eye's begin to get that sting you feel when you're tired. And we're at a large carpark near my house which has large bush and tree arrangement around where the cars are supposed to park, we were running around and jumping over them (I love rock climbing and I always love trying to climb walls and things around town ) And we were eating cheap, sugary things from Tesco
About 11PM Danny had to go home, and he did.

(37 Hours awake): I'm at home talking to friends on MSN, and playing lots of Flash games (It's only just gone dark now, it was that time in summer where it's light at 3:30AM and stays like that for the entire day )
So I went around my house for a bit, everyone had gone to bed, I was just kicking back and watching TV 'til it must have been about 3AM. Yannow when at night they always put classic series on TV one after another? I remember it was "Men Behaving Badly" God I loved that programme So anyway, it was then I thought, wow... I'm am SO tired
So I get up and make a cup of coffee, bring a change of clothes, money, phone, keys, my camera and my backpack downstairs and get ready to go to Tesco and off on another journey.

(Approx 41.5 Hours awake) About half 3 in the morning inside the 24H Tesco, buying "Kick" (the Tesco equivalent to "RedRooster","BlueCharge" (Asda) and "RedBull") and sweeties =] AND what's more, I'm not feeling too shabby, just like I've had a late night or something, legs ached a lot though, but I'm used to that and doesn't tend to bother me.
I also bought LOTS of water, and I browsed at various electronics too, so it was around 4AM now and getting quite light outside (The reason I do allnighters sometimes in summer is to see the town at this time, I adore it so much)

(Something like 42 Hours Awake): It's like.. 4AM and you guys will know, when you're so tired, that everything you do seems like de ja vu And feels like ur thinking back to it or dreaming, I love it, and I hate it at the same time
But anyway, I don't feel as tired as before because the day is coming and it's getting lighter and everything looks amazing in the light, so I'm ready for excitement
I'm outside Tesco unlocking my bike and I go riding again to a place a little closer than Formby pine woods, its called Ainsdale pine woods, and its around 8/9 miles away, beautiful when I get there, take an offroad ride through the woods and it's fantastic, then i had to get off and I pushed my bike towards the dunes, sat at a sandhill and just looked over the sea as the sun came behind me and shone onto the sea, I loved it and took a photo then ate some of my sweeties and went off towards home around another detour along the seafront, when I saw it, it was just so amazing... I just wanted to be with someone so badly and I rang a girl I really loved (who i'm now with =]) and just said hi (despite it was quite early) I just explained how I wanted to be with someone and she got me

(46 Hours awake): I remember it was exactly 7:58AM and had just turned to that 'cause when I got home and put my bike down the side of the house, I took my phone out my pocket and looked at the time, and for some reason, that stuck in my head So I put my bike inside and went into the kitchen and put the kettle on (really sweaty from riding) and my head was buzzing :S My legs also felt so sore and i had to sit down, as soon as Id stopped being active my legs could hardly hold me, it was horrible, and after i sat down and drank my cup of tea, the fatigue hit me and I felt my eyelids buckle So i finished my tea and watched TV whilst trying to keep myself awake, it was horrible now, it must have been because I'd been forcing my body to stay awake past the point of exhaustion I couldnt physically stand up my legs ached so badly.

(47 Hours awake): Around 9AM- I managed to get upstairs and I sat down at my computer, my mum was up and was tidying up downstairs because she was having a lunch thing with her friends at 12. I went on MSN and just chatted to people, and told danny how i STILL hadnt gone to sleep yet I kept myself going, avoiding to stop and read things I remember wanting to get past 48 hour, because 48 is just 2 whole days! its like a milestone i was working to get to!

(48 Hours awake): At 10AM it was 48hours (H) I went downstairs to get a cup of tea. And i got like a permanent headrush when i got downstairs and my mum was talking to me in the kitchen.. black spots went all over my eyes and my hearing just buzzed, so i went and sat down and I could hardly see, I thought i was about to pass out until it eventually stopped when i was sitting down. I watched some TV and had some decent food for once (i was SO hungry )

(49.5 Hours awake)
So after about an hour of tv and eating shitloads of cereal hahhaa, i went upstairs to do just go to sleep, because honestly i felt like i was going to die! LOL my whole body was killing me, i'd got a THROBBING headache and my eyes felt like they had salt in them or something.
But i spoke on msn for about 25 minutes when the screen started to just blot out and staring at the monitor was just murder, so i told danny straight away and just said "i gtg.. im so tired "

(50 Hours awake)
I sat up, rolled onto my bed, and I swear, I think I was already asleep by the time my head touched the pillow
Everything up til then was like the de ja vu dream thing i was talking about before, i really felt sick.
My mum came in many times and asked my why i was asleep for so long, but i remember just not being able to wake up.
Later on, I woke up at about 9/10pm and went downstairs to get a drink and had a bit of food, went back upstairs and considered staying awake, but I couldn't do it I went back to bed.

I'm glad I did it, even though i wasted the whole next day in bed, it was amazing being able to say that i've been up for 50 hours And i'd done quite a lot, it was great, not sure if i'd do it again though, i might do sometime with someone else. =]
Jim

Sounds like fun!(...but not really...) I've been planning to stay up fo 5 or more days once spring break begins. The only thing is that I would get bored and I can't play my PS2 because my sister broke it((cough)WolfTsunade).

I may start on Saturday at midnight. If I do decide on doing this, I will post here if this thread still exists.

The longest I've stayed up was just a little over 3 days, so 72+ hours.

I didn't have any hallucinations or delusions or anything, but toward the end I found that I had difficulty determining how much time was passing. That is, if I was doing something, I couldn't say how long I'd been doing it for (normally I'd be able to come up with a good estimate of how much time had passed).

I dream better after sleep deprivation. I'm much more likely to WILD naturally and have better dream recall and more vivid dreams. I also get SP.

If any of you are truely interested in the affects of advanced sleep depravation (ie. over 4 days) PM me. I've had sever insomnia all my life I've been hospitalized 2 times because of sleep deprevation, both times were at just ofer 9 days. I don't do this on purpos it's a chemical condition in my brain, and adrenal glands.