Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

As I've said before, the phase of sleep doesn't particularly matter, nor does reentry, or the state consciousness before waking. I'll refer you to the first post I made on this thread for my main case, which you've only served to validate.

But since there's a chance you'll have trouble connecting two and two, the definition I gave applies to everything the author recommends beginners start with. Hence he's teaching DEILD.

The transitional techniques taught are the proverbial WILD tool-kit, which can be applied in any WILD attempt.

I mean, I'm surprised this isn't blatantly obvious.

Edit: Also, boom. I use that for DEILD, but it works equally well for your standard WILD. Or, if you thinks that's too conceited of me: this also works for DEILDs.



Because lucids are easy to remember, DEILD is a simple and effective technique for beginners (especially with a tool-kit), and he teaches it well?

Again, the pattern is pretty clear.



You've just proven the point I was making.



The hypocrisy here is actually kinda funny.



I hoped it'd serve to point our how ridiculous it is to consecutively copy/paste the same poorly formed argument three times while simultaneously failing to acknowledge and address any points made.



I've addressed this. No need to repeat myself, right?



Seriously, this is hilarious. ^.^

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Read through the pertinent stuff, but didn't learn anything new. He's essentially teaching people DEILD while providing a general use WILD tool-kit most people have to develop on their own. Not a bad resource, but nothing particularly groundbreaking.

And before anyone argues the point that these aren't DEILDs: put plainly and simply, DEILDs are WILDs that one does immediately upon waking; where one is in any given cycle doesn't particularly matter.

Agreed

Originally Posted by mcwillis

You can't have a DEILD in non REM sleep. You clearly don't understand that you can only dream in REM sleep.

completely false.

This night I become conscious in a dream so it was a DILD, so I do sleep better with this pillow. In the dream I asked how to get more lucid drrams anytime I want and the answer I got was ''sleep more'' then I woke up after a pretty short lucid dream and wondered what the dc (dream character ment by that) because a dc is only a projection of your subconscious you. I moved alot in bed because I was in an uncomfortable position and then I tried to fall asleep consciously with indirect techniques, but when I closed my eyes I started to hear a different sound than I usually do when I listen in and I saw images infront of my eyes and it almost felt like I was rotating, then my alarm started to ring and it was over... I had slept for 12 hours. But my theory is if I go to bed very early one night in the week my rem sleep becomes longer for that night and when I wake up it will ne easier to use indirect techniques. This technique is called CILD (Cycle-adjust induced lucid dream) I think. I will try this out tonight and see if it works

Originally Posted by MasterMind

This night I become conscious in a dream so it was a DILD, so I do sleep better with this pillow. In the dream I asked how to get more lucid drrams anytime I want and the answer I got was ''sleep more'' then I woke up after a pretty short lucid dream and wondered what the dc (dream character ment by that) because a dc is only a projection of your subconscious you. I moved alot in bed because I was in an uncomfortable position and then I tried to fall asleep consciously with indirect techniques, but when I closed my eyes I started to hear a different sound than I usually do when I listen in and I saw images infront of my eyes and it almost felt like I was rotating, then my alarm started to ring and it was over... I had slept for 12 hours. But my theory is if I go to bed very early one night in the week my rem sleep becomes longer for that night and when I wake up it will ne easier to use indirect techniques. This technique is called CILD (Cycle-adjust induced lucid dream) I think. I will try this out tonight and see if it works

Why don't you try sleeping for like 4 - 5 hours one noght and go early the other night. I read somewhere that this increases chances of lucid dreaming. Ganna try that myself in two days too. ;D

well i managed my most obe like wild this morning. i suddenly found myself in a room and instantly knew it was a dream and that i had to stabilise it right away. this was tricky because as i was on my side, i think one of my eyes was touching the pillow. this always seems to translate into my dream as my vision was really blurry. i almost faded out straight away but battled to rub my hands together and try to blink to open my eyes properly and peer around. i even tried rubbing my face and eyes and looking around for where i was. all i could make out was some kind of docs/dentists room. the vision was too much of a challenge to maintain so it only lasted maybe a minute if that. it was the most like just being able to teleport to another somewhere that ive ever experienced though so its all good practice

Originally Posted by Purebred

Why don't you try sleeping for like 4 - 5 hours one noght and go early the other night. I read somewhere that this increases chances of lucid dreaming. Ganna try that myself in two days too. ;D

Hmm I think I will be very tired during the day if I do that xD so for the next night I'm going to bed early because that seems to be enough, if it works the problem will not to be to have a lucid dream but when to have it because you can not go to bed early every night right? But it will still be far more less of a problem compared to induce a lucid dream anyway If that is the case, it means that I can lucid dream at will!

Originally Posted by whiterain

well i managed my most obe like wild this morning. i suddenly found myself in a room and instantly knew it was a dream and that i had to stabilise it right away. this was tricky because as i was on my side, i think one of my eyes was touching the pillow. this always seems to translate into my dream as my vision was really blurry. i almost faded out straight away but battled to rub my hands together and try to blink to open my eyes properly and peer around. i even tried rubbing my face and eyes and looking around for where i was. all i could make out was some kind of docs/dentists room. the vision was too much of a challenge to maintain so it only lasted maybe a minute if that. it was the most like just being able to teleport to another somewhere that ive ever experienced though so its all good practice

Nice ! I hope that the CILD mix will make me more aware and make the dream more stable too. The first lucid dream I had was a WBTB with a MILD and this dream felt as real as reality ! But like all my succesful attempt seems to end, the alarm woke me up because I had slept for too long. So I really hope that the CILD will help me with that.

I already have problem in sleep..
No matter how much i try i dont sleep before 1 o'clock..
I wanna sleep early...What can i do..?

Originally Posted by Kunal19

I already have problem in sleep..
No matter how much i try i dont sleep before 1 o'clock..
I wanna sleep early...What can i do..?

Wake up after 5 hours of sleep and be very active on the day time. You won't even notice how you will fall on your bed at about 8 o'clock. ;D

Originally Posted by Purebred

Wake up after 5 hours of sleep and be very active on the day time. You won't even notice how you will fall on your bed at about 8 o'clock. ;D

usually i sleep 6-7 hours.......hmmmmmm i can try this......i will wake up early

Originally Posted by Kunal19

usually i sleep 6-7 hours.......hmmmmmm i can try this......i will wake up early

it may require some will power. ;D

EDIT: I can see that your sleep is not very stable, you should get 7 - 9 hours per night. That's may be the cause too.

damn but there is one problem.......
if someone will awake me or i will use alarm........than i cant use these indirect tecniques...
as i know i should wake up naturally to use these indirect tecniques...

Originally Posted by Kunal19

damn but there is one problem.......
if someone will awake me or i will use alarm........than i cant use these indirect tecniques...
as i know i should wake up naturally to use these indirect tecniques...

Awakening and not moving is like the most easiest thing for me. just lay down on you bed before going to sleep focusing on waking up.

I tried this. I imagined very forcefully that I was moving my fingers, didn't work. So I imagined I was eating a steak, oh that worked all right! I lost conciousness and had a dream of me eating a...steak... I truly think I can do this, just need to stay a bit more alert. Thanks!

I tried these techniques but they didnt work..
May be i know the reason....I was not in a perfect state to do it..
I mean i woke up 3-4 times last night but every time i moved..
But than last time i didnt move but my brother kicked me while sleeping...Lol
yesterday when i woke up without moving...My mom came and started yelling..Lol
But i know i will do it for sure..Just need some practise..
But i still cant understand brain straining...
I saw some images behind but eyelid yesterday while listening theta waves but they faded away..

Ahh.. Never ever go to bed 3 hours earlier than usual.
I woke up at the time I normally go to bed and were too awake and the opposite of what I wanted happend. I did not sleep and had more rem periods I didn't slept at all! only those first 3 hours and now I am really weak x.x
The next night I go to bed normal time and hopefuly my sleep cycle is normal again.
To have longer rem sleep the only thing that works is too sleep longer, but go to bed at normal time otherwise you can't fall asleep +.+

QUESTION! Please answer it. I had 3 unsuccessful attempts using tehcniques described in the book. (I've read all of it). I am pro at waking up, not moving and not opening my eyes. But so far, I haven't even reached sp and I am wondering: why?

So, here goes the question:

Since I don't use an alarm clock and wake up myself I noticed that time I wake up is always the same, like 3 hours after going to sleep. In all of my attempts I haven't reached even SP. May the cause of this be only 3 hours of sleep I get, before trying all of these tchniques?

Originally Posted by Purebred

QUESTION! Please answer it. I had 3 unsuccessful attempts using tehcniques described in the book. (I've read all of it). I am pro at waking up, not moving and not opening my eyes. But so far, I haven't even reached sp and I am wondering: why?

So, here goes the question:

Since I don't use an alarm clock and wake up myself I noticed that time I wake up is always the same, like 3 hours after going to sleep. In all of my attempts I haven't reached even SP. May the cause of this be only 3 hours of sleep I get, before trying all of these tchniques?

When you wake up, do you have any memory of dreams that you may have dreamed, because if you're not in rem sleep it's harder to succed.
And 3 hours of sleep is not that much rem sleep. Michael Raduga recommends to sleep 6 hours and even with an alarmclock it can be succesful, try an alarm like in the CAN-WILD method (an alarm that wake you up 6 hours after falling asleep and then automatically turns itself off then you fall asleep again and the alarm wake you up and you can DEILD in this case use Indirect techniques)

I am going to use an CAN-WILD alarmclock myself because these autosuggestions only make me worried over that I will not succed and gives me troublefalling asleep and so on.

I dont realy like that alarm thing. I want to achieve skill of waking after my dream ends... Now that i think about it, i can't recall any dreams, so that means I am not waking up after REM.
I can wake up whenever I want, it doesn't matter it's 3 or 6 six hours earlier. It's like the only benefit I have in Lucid Dream. xD Alright, this night i'm trying this techniques after 6 hours of sleep. Thanks MasterMind.

Well if you can wake up whenever you want that's just perfect =)
I tried to to do so too, but when I did not managed to do it I just continued to fail so I am going to use the alarm just to make sure that I wake up at all

This alarm would wake my whole city up. It's too loud. And I dont wanna kepp my pc on. This night will be my lucid night. I just feel it. Before going to sleep I will listen binaural beats and talk mantras and do my vizualization fo MILD. Whole day I have been wandering around my house imagining if I am dreaming and how would I react and that I will do my RC for DILD. I'm ganna wake up at around 4 hours after going to sleep and try to DEILD with techniques described here (I still call it DEILD) and then, if it doesn't work I'm ganna wake up after 6 hours of sleep and try WILD sing anchors. Wish me luck. ;D

Originally Posted by Purebred

This alarm would wake my whole city up. It's too loud. And I dont wanna kepp my pc on. This night will be my lucid night. I just feel it. Before going to sleep I will listen binaural beats and talk mantras and do my vizualization fo MILD. Whole day I have been wandering around my house imagining if I am dreaming and how would I react and that I will do my RC for DILD. I'm ganna wake up at around 4 hours after going to sleep and try to DEILD with techniques described here (I still call it DEILD) and then, if it doesn't work I'm ganna wake up after 6 hours of sleep and try WILD sing anchors. Wish me luck. ;D

Good luck! I will write down my routine too
I will go to bed 10.00 pm and set my alarm to wake me up to this sound: YouTube - Tron Legacy Soundtrack - End Titles (Track 21) <3 Tron xD
04.00 pm and when I wake up I will fall asleep again and remember that the next time I wake up I will lay completely still and have closed eyes, and when the next alarm 15 min later wakes me up and then turns itself off I use indirect techniques. (The only question here is: Can I fall asleep again?)

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Good luck! I will write down my routine too
I will go to bed 10.00 pm and set my alarm to wake me up to this sound: YouTube - Tron Legacy Soundtrack - End Titles (Track 21) <3 Tron xD
04.00 pm and when I wake up I will fall asleep again and remember that the next time I wake up I will lay completely still and have closed eyes, and when the next alarm 15 min later wakes me up and then turns itself off I use indirect techniques. (The only question here is: Can I fall asleep again?)

Falling asleep again is the hardest thing for me... nevermind. We will do it my friend. Good luck. lets meet in the lucid world. ;D

So you mean we have to wake up in a rem cycle to use these techniques..?

haha. This night was a huge failure. I had FA when trying to WILD. My recall was VERY VERY bad, but I learned few things too. About anchors, wilding, milding and ofcouse I learned when it's the best time for me to WBTB. To sum up everything this night was a huge failure with a lot of good expeience. (Including indirect techniques)