Thread: Getting Discouraged, need help

First off, a week is not that long! You need to keep at it

Also, trying lots of techniques in 1 week could be your problem. Find one you like and stick to it.

Are you sure SP wears off, do you RC to make sure you're not in a dream? Are you getting prior sleep before attempting this? WILDing in NREM cycles can lead to no dreams. Try visualizing your dream forming.

You dont have to have HH or SP to get lucid, dont worry about not hearing noises etc

Don't be discouraged, it takes effort and practice, but also confidence!

Many people take months for their first WILD, it's something that is kind of hard to some.

Originally Posted by isthisit

First off, a week is not that long! You need to keep at it

Also, trying lots of techniques in 1 week could be your problem. Find one you like and stick to it.

Are you sure SP wears off, do you RC to make sure you're not in a dream? Are you getting prior sleep before attempting this? WILDing in NREM cycles can lead to no dreams. Try visualizing your dream forming.

You dont have to have HH or SP to get lucid, dont worry about not hearing noises etc

Don't be discouraged, it takes effort and practice, but also confidence!

Many people take months for their first WILD, it's something that is kind of hard to some.

After my SP wears off. I try and roll over and start again (I can only get into SP once per night, second time is really difficult for me so I always loose), and I've tried doing an RC on my clock but no good, I'm still awake.

I get about 10 hours of sleep usually when I try, sometimes 12.
I'm thinking next time I'll pull an all nighter then try for a nap in the middle of the day, unless that's a bad idea.

try waking after 5 / 6 hours of sleep. But this can vary.

After SP wears off, try visualizing your dream and intereact with thoughts of you being in a dream.

Pulling an all nighter may induce REM rebound (or it may not) which can increase lucidity but WILDing would be a lot harder due to being more tired and probably falling asleep during WILD.

If you're looking to WILD try using mzzkc's WILD guide. It's different from a lot of other wilding guides.

Yeah I tried that one too, no luck, SP is just leaving right away and I cant enter the dream.
It's getting pretty lame, I'll keep at it though.

I just took a nap and tried a WILD I ended up falling asleep, (Non lucid, no dream)
Would that be considered progress? I usually never sleep when I try.

Originally Posted by Skarmand

Yeah I tried that one too, no luck, SP is just leaving right away and I cant enter the dream.
It's getting pretty lame, I'll keep at it though.

Which one? I've got six on the subject.

If I may ask, what method did you end up developing for yourself?

Could you please go over your actual process?

Also, take a look at this guide and the WILD Progression Reference it links to if you get the chance. It'll provide you with knowledge of what's really going on in NREM as you drift asleep.

Oh! Its Mzzkc himself! •o•!

I've tried at every time, after WBTB and during naps.
I've been experimenting with a lot of Techniques so I'm not sure I have a solid one yet since none are working for me.

So usually I'll get into bed or whatever, and I'll put in Earplugs recently (I've tried white noise too) I'll lay down under the covers and find a comfy position on my back.
I lay perfectly still and have no problem relaxing and dealing with twitching and swallowing (Doesn't happen).
I clench and contract all my muscles starting from the toes up and then let them go loose.
After I feel very relaxed I just think about something going on in the room, like maybe the fan blowing, or imagine myself in third-person on my bed.
Slowly starting with my feet my body starts to numb itself and my heart rate speeds up. I sometimes, very rarely hear buzzing, most of the time I don't feel or see any incredible HI or HH. I wait in this relaxed state for awhile and remind myself I'm just about to enter a dream. I've tried imagining myself on a beach or going up stairs and feeling the steps or sand on my feet.

Then it's gone.
The entire feeling just leaves and trolls me, not abruptly it just simply wares off. I've been told that was a false awakening. But nothing feels different. I can still hear all the small little sounds of my room. I usually want to keep my eyes closed and try and enter SP again so I try not to RC there. When I did RC i checked the clock twice and looked in the mirror, no good, wide awake. After entering SP for the first time may it be a nap or WBTB, I can't enter it again, at least it's not as vivid or as hardcore as the first time, I just sometimes feel minor numbness and then the feeling leaves after 20 or so seconds as well.

Your opinions ?

A few questions first:

Do you normally sleep on your back?

And, just to clarify, are you using the earplugs as an anchor?


My recommendations based on what you have told me:

Like others have said, find one thing and stick with it for as long as you can. It took me a few months to get my first WILD, and most of that can be attributed to inconsistent routines/methods. Eventually, once I figured out my own way of doing things, and stuck with it, everything fell into place. Still, I do think you should try out as many methods as possible when you're just starting out, if only for the experience. Just don't get discouraged when they don't work, 'cause most of them probably won't on the first go round, especially if you're following a guide to the letter.

As for the sensations fading, that's normal. Typical progression is N1, N2, N3, N2, REM. During N1 and N2 people can (but don't necessarily) experience HH, vibrations, and the like. But N3 is characterized by a deep sleep wherein little happens. Taking particular note of any sensations at all, even the loss of sensation, is probably enough to prevent N3 sleep from occurring properly.

To follow that, from experience, I can tell you it's better to err on the side of unconsciousness when WILDing. So, yes; I would consider falling asleep progress.

So it's normal for the SP to end and then transition out, only to enter it again right before going into REM?

I'm using Earplugs because I have a sliding glass door that's rather old and it sometimes make very quiet cracking noises, just didn't want it bothering me, it wasn't a huge deal though.
How does using Earplugs become an Anchor though? Am I supposed to focus on the feeling of them in my ears?
Do you use an Anchor? If so what do you use?

The more tired you are the easier it would be to WILD also right?
Does this mean trying to WILD after lets say staying up very late and only getting 4-3 hours of sleep, then taking a nap mid day would be a good idea, or if I'm too tired with no proper anchor will I drift off too easily?

Oh, and I sleep on my back usually yeah, but also side and stomach, I just do whatever and usually rotate

Originally Posted by Skarmand

So it's normal for the SP to end and then transition out, only to enter it again right before going into REM?

It's normal to hit N2 sleep twice before REM. Sleep paralysis is something different entirely.

Originally Posted by Skarmand

I'm using Earplugs because I have a sliding glass door that's rather old and it sometimes make very quiet cracking noises, just didn't want it bothering me, it wasn't a huge deal though.
How does using Earplugs become an Anchor though? Am I supposed to focus on the feeling of them in my ears?

More or less. BillyBob did a good job of explaining anchor usage in a recent thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/anchor...2/#post1831882

Check out all three of his posts for a complete picture.

Originally Posted by Skarmand

Do you use an Anchor? If so what do you use?

Technically speaking, WILD is impossible without an anchor. You need something to hold onto, even if it's nothing but sheer force of will or a feeling of familiarity.

The only environmental anchors I use these days are sleep masks, earplugs, and occasionally this.

Originally Posted by Skarmand

The more tired you are the easier it would be to WILD also right?
Does this mean trying to WILD after lets say staying up very late and only getting 4-3 hours of sleep, then taking a nap mid day would be a good idea, or if I'm too tired with no proper anchor will I drift off too easily?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Those situations are where my best and easiest WILDs happen. Of course, you can't take full advantage of these situations without a familiar anchor that you're sure works for you.

So I'm supposed to find something that I can consistently come back to in the physical world, to keep me from falling completely asleep, so that I can come back to my anchor as a dream starts to become Lucid.

So I can focus of the feeling of the earplugs or the weight of the mask, or I can focus on white noise such as a fan too right?
What would you recommend for someone starting off?

I'm glad it took months for you that makes me feel a lot better too, and you have yours a lot now I'm assuming.

I suggest trying out a bunch of stuff, but don't necessarily WILD with it. Just fall asleep with whatever it is you want to use as an anchor and see what's the most comfortable/easiest to fall asleep with. After all, the best anchors are those that won't disrupt your ability to sleep, so if an anchor tends to keep you awake, it's useless for WILDing.

When you do practice your WILD, stick with one anchor at a time; for now, keep up the earplug thing. Oh, and, while checking your anchor, notice not just the feel of the earplugs, but the way it changes your perception of sound, and anything else that might come to mind.

As for me, I don't practice much anymore, but if my sleep schedule were in order, I could probably WILD every night if I felt like it. Luckily, I'm fortunate enough to not have to do that these days.

Alright then, I think I'm going to get minimal sleep tonight and then Coffee my way through the day tomorrow and try for a nap.
Thank you very much for your time, and clearing things up for me <3

Damn, now I'm having a new problem. After using the Earplugs and putting something over my eyes, I fall asleep every time.
So does that mean ear plugs are not a good Anchor for me?
What other things should I try.

Unless falling asleep is better than trying to WILD and then not falling asleep at all until I give up.

Yeah, it's better to fall asleep than to lie awake for hours with no results.

This is actually a good place to be because now you've been at both extremes. If you can find a middle ground of awareness and conscious thought between the two, you'll be solid.

I've found that neighborhood noises through my thin walls work best to transition me into WILD, though the TV works sometimes too. It's okay to experiment with different times, locations and stimulations to keep you aware.

No technique is guaranteed.

In general I've found thta most people who don't lucid dream naturally experience success by immersing themselves in the material the way you might learn French by suddenly moving to France. The more time and thought you direct towards dreaming the more important it will become to your mind. This will lead to the eventual success.

Don't worry. Just keep up with dream recall efforts and whatever your favorite technique is. The dreams will change and you will have that "Ah-Ha!" moment.

To people who are still here

"So now that your body is asleep, it's time to segue into your lucid dream. So instead of focusing on changing the sounds, now you want to start visualizing yourself inside your lucid dream. At first it'll be like watching it happen on TV, but very soon your mind will accept it as the dream and you'll jump right into it naturally. This is what's known as a mental WILD. "

I just read this from another WILD tutorial, if wasn't or never have focused on placing myself into a Lucid Dream, will it be harder to enter one?
Usually I just sit there relaxed and wait, but will I have a greater chance of the jump if I'm picturing myself on a nice beach or something?

I've got a question for Mzzkc too.
I read your wild tutorial, then Billybob's tutorial.I didn't quite understand the use of anchors.I just fall asleep while having little focus on my anchor?So I enter my ream while conscious? or i just fall asleep normally and by a miracle i somehow feel my anchor through my dream and become lucid? this is quite confusing.

HAHAHAHA I DID IT. Thanks everyone who made it possible, I have a few questions though, Is it possible to forget certain parts of your Lucid Dream? Or for them to not feel as "Real" as others parts? I performed like 6 reality checks and I remember everything really well around that part, but I remember going places I didn't actually mean to go, but still having control in them.

Was this because I didn't constantly Reality Check, and took it for granted? I kinda felt like I was auto piloting along the dreams plot, but knowingly.

If someone could just kinda sum up what a normal WILD is like that would be great.

A normal WILD? Is there such a thing?

Dreams vary for every person and each dream is different. There are no rules.

Yes, you can forget parts of a lucid dream or any dream for that matter.

Yes, some parts of a dream may feel less or more real than other parts.

It can be difficult to direct a dream at times. Even when we have a lot of control our mind creates the landscape and sometimes takes us for a ride, reality check or not.


From the WILD Tutorial in the DreamViews WIKI: WILD Tutorial - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Entering the Dream. When you fully enter REM sleep, a dream will begin. One of your induced visualizations may suddenly feel completely convincing. One of the dreamlets or images in your mind may expand into a full dream. For the first few seconds, remain calm, and engage with the dream. Become a participant in the scene, so it becomes your new reality. Touch whatever is closest to you. Investigate your immediate surroundings. Look down at your hands, or rub them together. You want to become physically present in the dream. Stomp your feet, touch a nearby wall, or kneel down to touch the floor. If characters are present, talk to them.

Sort of having the same problem.

I had my first SP 3 days ago without even trying. I was taking a nap around 3.00ish when I felt my head freeze up then I drifted off into sleep. Woke up in the exact same room to see this motherfucker staring at me from around the the corner of my door (got some real bad vibes), then he pointed a gun at me and I looked away, then just felt what seemed like a ball hit me in the side of the leg, no pain but I was dazed and then just woke up. Fuuuuuuuuck I was pissed off haha! If I had that again I would hope i'd dream up my own shotgun and blast em.

Later that night I had a dream where I was at a party that i'd somehow got to before my friends, when my friends rocked up they were asking me how I got there, I told them I didn't know and figured I was too drunk to remember. How stupid am I...

The next day I tried doing a WILD, but once I started feeling SP coming on, my heart starts racing and I start breathing heavier from excitment I think. It then just wears off. I really hope I can over this phase, cause I feel WILDing is my only chance of having a Lucid Dream cause I just can't seem to click that i'm dreaming while in one.

Originally Posted by lukass

I've got a question for Mzzkc too.
I read your wild tutorial, then Billybob's tutorial.I didn't quite understand the use of anchors.I just fall asleep while having little focus on my anchor?So I enter my ream while conscious? or i just fall asleep normally and by a miracle i somehow feel my anchor through my dream and become lucid? this is quite confusing.

Like I pointed out to Skarmand, BillyBob explained it really well here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/anchor...2/#post1831882

Please read all three of his posts in that thread.

Originally Posted by Skarmand

HAHAHAHA I DID IT. Thanks everyone who made it possible, I have a few questions though, Is it possible to forget certain parts of your Lucid Dream? Or for them to not feel as "Real" as others parts? I performed like 6 reality checks and I remember everything really well around that part, but I remember going places I didn't actually mean to go, but still having control in them.

Was this because I didn't constantly Reality Check, and took it for granted? I kinda felt like I was auto piloting along the dreams plot, but knowingly.

If someone could just kinda sum up what a normal WILD is like that would be great.

Like melanieb mentioned, you might want to try grounding yourself.

I've got a decent guide on the subject, if you want to check it out.

WILDs are the same as any other lucid dream. The only difference is that you began the dream lucid instead of gaining lucidity part way through.