WILD help?

[lnich13]

So ive been doing DILD practice all day, for a while now. but Last night i attempted a WBTB and WILD. I used the DreamZ app to wake me up, but i think its results would have been tampered with ( i have a cat who sleeps with me, curled up in my arms every night. ). Nevertheless, it woke me up around 4:00, which was what i asked it to. I stayed awake for 25 minutes reading a book (avoiding my computer), and thinking about WILD. When i went to bed, i relaxed my whole body (first i tensed and untensed, then i just imagined moving every muscle). After that, i tried keeping my brain active by counting up to 100 in my head, and seeing the numbers visualy. I did this around four times (really slowly), i would lose focus occasionaly, but i did pretty well. Three times during this, i realised how heavy i had gotten ( i tried getting hevier during the relaxation, but imagining sandbags tied onto me just made me tingle where i put it). As soon as i was heavy, i tried to stay focused on my numbers, and slowly the heviness fadded. So the next time, i focused on the heviness, but it still fadded. At the end of it all ( i was awake for an hour - hour and a half ) I saw light through my shut eyes, and thought i had reached a dream. So i slowly opened my eyes to find i was still in my bed. Performed some RC's, then just gave up. What was i doing wrong? How can i do this quickly ( i dont want to sit up all night ) I remembered no dreams last night at all, could that be due to stress from my exams last week? tiredness? Should i stop attempting WILD and focus all on DILD again? Any extra guidence you can give me from what youve read?(:

[gab]

You only tried this for one night, right? Give yourself time. You may not have been doing anything wrong, but to be sure, compare your practice with this tutorial WILD (sageous). *Moved to WILD

[xpin2winx]

learn how to DEILD first, then try to WILD

[Scionox]

Don't forget that you need to fall asleep in order to WILD, while being aware, you should not try to stay awake. If you were too awake, and since you were staying awake for more than 30-40 minutes i think you were too awake, next time you could try staying awake before WILD less time or try to use anchor that lets you fall asleep faster. Whether you should focus on DILD or WILD is up to you. Generally depends on what you are having more success with, or you can try focusing on both like me, even when i fail WILDs i often get DILDs from same nap. And yeah, check out the URL gab posted, some nice information about WILDing there.

[lnich13]

Thanks for the info!(: (and sorry for posting in the wrong spot.) I tried again the other night, and got further.. I tried sleeping for less time before my last WILD, and it worked well. I felt the heaviness go all over me, but still none of the random swirls/ visuals. After a short while it faded, but this time, it might have been because i got to excited during SP. I shall keep trying, and continue my DILDing, i will also attempt DEILD for the next couple of nights, but it sounds difficult to wake without moving, nevertheless, i would like to learn it(: Thanks again for all the advice! (:

[gab]

I felt the heaviness go all over me, but still none of the random swirls/ visuals. After a short while it faded, but this time, it might have been because i got to excited during SP. I shall keep trying, and continue my DILDing, i will also attempt DEILD for the next couple of nights, but it sounds difficult to wake without moving, nevertheless, i would like to learn it(: You don't always get visual HH/swirls and images. Sometimes you enter LD different ways. You may roll out of your sleeping body, or experience falling/flying sensation, vibrations, or something else. You didn't have SP. SP is not one of the steps in WILDing. DEILD - it's good to know how to do it and practice not moving when waking up. But I think you need a lucid dream first from which you chain your other lucid dreams via DEILD. At least I never had DEILD from regular dream.

[lnich13]

Really?, every guide i have read ( i think that included this websites, told me you would feel heavy, that it was sleep paralysis, and afterwards you will begin to get the weird sensations (like the swirls, images, vibrations etc. that you described)) What is it then?, Is it one step closer to LD or just nothing?

[Scionox]

It's normal sensations of falling asleep http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html , the fact that you were aware of them is step closer to lucid dreaming though, and yeah, you don't need SP, you just need to fall asleep while being aware.

[cmind]

Really?, every guide i have read ( i think that included this websites, told me you would feel heavy, that it was sleep paralysis, and afterwards you will begin to get the weird sensations (like the swirls, images, vibrations etc. that you described)) What is it then?, Is it one step closer to LD or just nothing? A lot of popular, yet totally incorrect guides are plaguing the lucid dreaming community. The moderators of this forum seem unwilling to do anything about it.

[melanieb]

lnich13, gab gave you some good advice and knows what she's talking about. @cmind - Actually the mods of this forum have been doing something about it and we worked hard to dispel myths about sleep paralysis and achieving a WILD. I believe this material can be found in the WILD section as well as in the WIKI. More updates and modifications are happening throughout this year.

[gab]

A lot of popular, yet totally incorrect guides are plaguing the lucid dreaming community. The moderators of this forum seem unwilling to do anything about it. There may be tutorials here and in other places, that not everybody agrees with. But as everything else, it is a matter of what works for every individual. I personally don't believe, that achieving SP is necessary to achieve LD. Because that is my experience. So if someone doesn't experience SP, I recommend a tutorial, that leaves SP out of it. But there are people, who do experience SP. For those, tutorials that talk about SP can be useful. Everybody has a choice to pick what best suits him. Based on what works for him, and not based on mine (or anybody elses) personal preference. To clarify: SP we are talking about is complete body paralysis, when you can't move, no matter how hard you try. It happens to everybody, after we fall asleep and start to dream, so we don't hurt ourselvs acting out our dreams and don't sleepwalk. Sometimes it kicks in sooner or fails to stop on time. For some people it happens often, but for majority, it's a 1-2 in a lifetime event. Different sensations as vibrations, tingling, movement, body being very light or heavy, when you feel like it would be hard to move are associated with falling asleep process, not SP. But the point is, no matter if you get SP or not, you can have lucid dreams. If you get SP, with SP, if you don't, than without it. Hope this helps.

[cmind]

I'm sorry but there are a few guides here (we all know which ones) that are literally, factually, WRONG. They make scientific claims that are simply incorrect. And unfortunately, they also usually have huge view counts (due to people asking why the wrong technique being espoused by the guide isn't working, mostly). IF we as a community (DV being the main lucid dreaming community on the internet), want to be taken seriously, then we must clean house. The SP sticky was a good first step, but no one reads stickies. Usually people just automatically go to the active thread with the highest view count. You know this to be true. So you need to delete those toxic threads, or at least reset the view counts and post counts. Is this a drastic step? Yes. Is it somewhat unethical? Maybe, depending on your point of view. I would say it's unethical to mislead people with incorrect information. BUT, it's also necessary to take this community to the next level of public awareness. Unless you want to continue to be known as "those weirdos who are obsessed with daydreaming" to most people.

[gab]

@ cmind have you ever experienced SP (being paralyzed)?

[dutchraptor]

I'm sorry but there are a few guides here (we all know which ones) that are literally, factually, WRONG. They make scientific claims that are simply incorrect. And unfortunately, they also usually have huge view counts (due to people asking why the wrong technique being espoused by the guide isn't working, mostly). IF we as a community (DV being the main lucid dreaming community on the internet), want to be taken seriously, then we must clean house. The SP sticky was a good first step, but no one reads stickies. Usually people just automatically go to the active thread with the highest view count. You know this to be true. So you need to delete those toxic threads, or at least reset the view counts and post counts. Is this a drastic step? Yes. Is it somewhat unethical? Maybe, depending on your point of view. I would say it's unethical to mislead people with incorrect information. BUT, it's also necessary to take this community to the next level of public awareness. Unless you want to continue to be known as "those weirdos who are obsessed with daydreaming" to most people. Actually some of us have already tried to organize big changes, you just don't see the effects of it straight away. I've been organizing a change in a lot of guides to include a warning note on SP, my own included. We are currently in the processes of analyzing the entire site to see where we can make changes. Maybe you could make a post in the meta forum where we could discuss this properly? I'm willing to work with your ideas if they are viable.

[cmind]

@ cmind have you ever experienced SP (being paralyzed)? Yes, it happens to me rarely. It's never been a good way for me to WILD because I've found that my mental state is far too delusional while under SP. It feels like there's a force "pulling" me into the madness of non-lucidity. It's definitely very different from HH. Actually some of us have already tried to organize big changes, you just don't see the effects of it straight away. I've been organizing a change in a lot of guides to include a warning note on SP, my own included. We are currently in the processes of analyzing the entire site to see where we can make changes. Maybe you could make a post in the meta forum where we could discuss this properly? I'm willing to work with your ideas if they are viable. Well, I might do that. Although, to be honest my ideas are quite simple and blunt. Just delete the threads that almost all the "veterans" know are crap. It's a web site, not a pulpit.

[lnich13]

Thanks for all the info(: - I don't really have any thoughts to contribute to the discussion of thread reliability(: But at least this helped clear things up for me, as i always thought that the heaviness caused by your body falling asleep, was in fact the start of SP. (I have only experienced SP once, during the middle of the night, and i was so tired i did not even bother to try and fight it, or understand it for that matter. I just went back to sleep(: ) Well, im going to keep practicing, and await my first lucid dream. Hope you all decide what to do with these "SP tutorials" that made their way onto DV. (: