Has anyone mastered the WILD technique?

[Tsunami1]

This technique in itself feels like starting the learning process all over again. Not only that but it also seems like you need to be an adept meditator in order to induce WILDS. Has anyone mastered the technique by any chance? If so how long did it take and can they be induced at will?

[Memm]

I think you are over-thinking it, WILD is just about lying there and waiting for a dream to start without losing consciousness. The only thing you need to do is keep your mind concentrated / focused, because chances are most of the time your mind will wander off before the dream starts and you will just fall asleep. The easiest time to WILD is just before your next dream or heading back into a dream, otherwise you might have to spend 5 or 10 or even 20 minutes keeping yourself aware, which is easy for the first 5 minutes but eventually you'll lose control and fall asleep. Ways of keeping concentration: - Developing it through meditation - Through shear strength of will (concentration is something you can force), this might be something you have to do if you feel really sleepy / drowsy - WBTB, that is getting up and taking time to wake up and doing star jumps or have coffee or something until you can concentrate again - Whatever else helps you concentrate, like sleeping in an awkward position, or focus on something like counting or visualisation So anyone can do it at will, fool proof method is just to lie still and stare at the darkness behind your eyelids until a dream starts, it's just not as easy as it sounds because oh look a butterfly.

[cooleymd]

I think you are over-thinking it, WILD is just about lying there and waiting for a dream to start without losing consciousness. ... you might have to spend 5 or 10 or even 20 minutes keeping yourself aware, which is easy for the first 5 minutes but eventually you'll lose control and fall asleep. ... So anyone can do it at will, fool proof method is just to lie still and stare at the darkness behind your eyelids until a dream starts, it's just not as easy as it sounds because oh look a butterfly. Yep not as easy as it sounds, I've tried it with white noise without white noise, with ear plugs. I have lay their feeling paralyzed for several hours, never had a dream start tho. WBTB, massive supplements I really don't think it is even close to a fool proof method. Mostly my problem is I have to swallow at least every 1/2 hour or so, but sometimes laying there for hundreds of minutes, tingling and twitching is a bit relaxing being asleep might be a bit more relaxing tho (even if unaware of it), and more likely to start a dream for me

[Memm]

Yep not as easy as it sounds, I've tried it with white noise without white noise, with ear plugs. I have lay their feeling paralyzed for several hours, never had a dream start tho. WBTB, massive supplements I really don't think it is even close to a fool proof method. Mostly my problem is I have to swallow at least every 1/2 hour or so, but sometimes laying there for hundreds of minutes, tingling and twitching is a bit relaxing being asleep might be a bit more relaxing tho (even if unaware of it), and more likely to start a dream for me Some tips I have would be: - Don't try too hard, you tense up if you put effort into relaxing which is the opposite of relaxing - It's fine to swallow - It shouldn't take 1/2 hour, that means you're either not relaxed, not sleepy, or not doing it at a good time - Be aware that you might already be in a dream without realising it - Get 6 hours of sleep first - Try not to oversleep, which means don't push it past 9 hours or so, sometimes you think you can get just one more dream and stay in bed for another hour but you just end up with a headache for staying in bed too long

[VinceField]

I think you are over-thinking it, WILD is just about lying there and waiting for a dream to start without losing consciousness. The only thing you need to do is keep your mind concentrated / focused, because chances are most of the time your mind will wander off before the dream starts and you will just fall asleep. The easiest time to WILD is just before your next dream or heading back into a dream, otherwise you might have to spend 5 or 10 or even 20 minutes keeping yourself aware, which is easy for the first 5 minutes but eventually you'll lose control and fall asleep. Ways of keeping concentration: - Developing it through meditation - Through shear strength of will (concentration is something you can force), this might be something you have to do if you feel really sleepy / drowsy - WBTB, that is getting up and taking time to wake up and doing star jumps or have coffee or something until you can concentrate again - Whatever else helps you concentrate, like sleeping in an awkward position, or focus on something like counting or visualisation So anyone can do it at will, fool proof method is just to lie still and stare at the darkness behind your eyelids until a dream starts, it's just not as easy as it sounds because oh look a butterfly. I believe that perhaps even more important than concentration is intention. The strength of one's intention to induce the experience often times has a direct effect on the success of the attempt. In fact, I've had countless OBEs and WILDS in which I needed no concentration at all, but rather simply a period of strong intention setting followed by allowing myself to drift into unconsciousness. If the intention is set, the subconscious mind will arouse consciousness at the onset of the experience, regardless of the strength of one's concentration. Faith and confidence that the experience will manifest is also a significant factor to take into consideration.

[yaya]

What Memm has said is completely true. so if you don't want to stuck in traditional methods of WILD which require high amounts of mental preparations, you can check out these 2 techniques. everyone is different and these 2 methods works for a newbie like me 50% of times. maybe they help you too as they don't need much mental preparation but some practices. CrazyInSane WILD tutorial Easy LD technique (which is a DELID rather than a WILD) but if you want deep results with constant effects on your awareness then you may want to check out SSILD technique too. It doesn't need meditation as a prerequisite and can result in WILD, but it may take time.

[ThreeCat]

It depends on what you mean by "mastered": even the skilled practitioners on this forum fail from time to time. Also, WILD (like DILD) can depend on multiple factors: how much sleep you've had, how quiet your mind is, how awake you are, whether or not you've just come out of a lucid dream, how determined you are that "tonight is the night," etc. it also, I am guessing, is affected by current levels of acetylcholine in the brain. You do not need to be a meditator in order to WILD. Meditation does help, though (at least in my experience).

[Aisthanomai]

Honestly, Id go with meditating. it is a new world. Ive started a few months back with heavy meditating about 3 hours or so a day. It changed my life and the way I think about everything. As well as lucid dreaming can happen within 10 minutes through practice. it is a difficult task but totally worth it.

[Aisthanomai]

Coolymd, If your awake its because your brain is too active, if your asleep its because you lost awareness of your focus, and your body took you to sleep aswell. Ive lost track of meditation due lack of previous intensive training and homelessness hit me, but if you want to wild i really refer it as the practice is related to. wilding atleast in my experience. when i started meditating i was having a wild whenever i felt like. afternoons, evenings, before bed ect. I dont fully uunderstand ins and outs of the human intention, but until i have.more observed information, i feel logically you probably shouldnt rely on intention. because all intention is , is deciding what you want.and you can want to climb a mountain for the rest off your life, but you wont do it untill you do it.

[VinceField]

I dont fully uunderstand ins and outs of the human intention, but until i have.more observed information, i feel logically you probably shouldnt rely on intention. because all intention is , is deciding what you want.and you can want to climb a mountain for the rest off your life, but you wont do it untill you do it. Yes, first hand experience is necessary to have a better understanding of the processes in play in regards to attaining altered states of consciousness. It seems you are confusing setting intention with inaction. Intention setting is a method to achieve LDs and OBEs in and of itself, although it can be combined with other techniques to bring about better results. It is essentially a type of meditation which programs the subconscious mind to give rise to the desired state once the proper conditions are present. A person can concentrate in an attempt to remain aware while the body falls asleep, but without a resolute intention, one is unlikely to succeed. Years of experimentation with intention, among other induction techniques, has proven just how powerful a tool it is. The number one cause of failure in my past LD and OBE inductions has been a weak intention. Give it a try and see how it work for you.

[Aisthanomai]

Will do, thanks.

[Memm]

It's useful to have a clear mind, which leads to greater focus, before setting intentions, as being stressed out about other things makes it difficult to focus on intending to do something else.

[FryingMan]

WILD takes a delicate balance of maintaining conscious awareness vs. falling asleep, which is an unnatural act for our minds/bodies to perform. Overcoming nature's "intent" (haha, dreamer joke) that we fall asleep unconscious takes a lot of practice and experimentation. You must experiment with timing yourself. Generally, addressing Memm's suggestion, if I do *anything* mentally stimulating with 6 hours of sleep under my belt, I might as well just get up because I'll be awake for the day. Sometimes I'm able to doze on and off for up to 10 hours, but sometimes, I'm just **ZING** wide awake after 6 hours of sleep. So for best results, one must be really familiar with one's own sleeping patterns, and very tuned in to one's "feeling" at the moment: how sleepy are you? Sometimes in the late morning I get this really strong feeling that I just *know* I'll have a LD if I can just fall asleep again. It's sort of an odd "buzzing" feeling, like a precursor to REM atonia. I don't always have this feeling every morning. Learning to recognize these feelings and capitalize on them can help a lot in inducing more frequent lucid dreams.

[cooleymd]

I just succeeded in an anti-WILD, It was late and I was still watching some sports thing on a big screen, it was otherwise dark and other people wanted to sleep, I noticed they had lowered the security partition to keep down the light from the big screen, I must have decided to go to bed because then I was in bed, and I must have decided I was a bit hungry, I looked and saw some mashed potatoes that looked a bit dry, what? a growth in them, that became more complex, then I realized it was actually some Katydid bugs backed into the potatoes, then more and more of them, I poked them to death and then ran to the bathroom, tossed them in the sink but the door must have closed behind me because the only light was coming from the sink, I flicked the switch in the room madly but to no effect, Then maybe because it was so dark I was in bed again, and I saw my vision fluctuate, and I noticed I couldn't quite hear the fan (my white noise), and I thought WILD WILD, it seemed so easy, I felt so near the sleep-wake threshold, I was thinking MEMM was right only a few more seconds. I only had time to repeat to myself I'm Conscious I'm Conscious twice and then I crossed the sleep/wake boundry... dare I list all the dream signs? I don't watch sports I don't have a TV only computer monitor I don't have cable only internet No security partition in the living room Bugs are a dream sign of mine that little lite near the sink is in the wall fuse not in the bowl And of course the light switch, what can I say not only don't they work in dreams, but we removed that one, replaced with a pressable motion detector one that automatically comes on when you enter (apparently those don't work in dreams either)

[cooleymd]

I tried to DEILD from the above dream on exit but failed, then failed twice more on the next two dreams. Finally in the third dream to follow that one, I triggered on Awareness I was at school and couldn't remember what classes I had or had already been to, I got the great idea to label my non-descript notes, I had been talking about stealth B-29's but decided to label the notes History, I thought back I think I've been to PE and some other class, then I thought ahead, what is after lunch. I didn't seem to know where I had been or where I was going, I started to think Math? Then I triggered.. LucidDreams++

[FryingMan]

DEILD is an opportunistic approach. As long as you keep trying, you'll eventually hit just the right timing. DEILD (at least for me) requires a completely distraction-free (noise, movement, light) environment, so I can only do it when I'm sleeping solo and have no morning appointments to trigger my internal alarms/goal center.

[Draemer90]

The WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming -- correct me if I'm wrong) experience I have is laying in bed then all of a sudden floating above my bed. I was floating toward the roof. I got excited and the dream became a little shaky so I decided to look at my hands but they looked regular. I then woke up I think. I try to WILD every night. I usually meditate three mantras. 1. I will remember my dreams 2. I will have a lucid dream ..aaand I can't remember the third one right now. So far so good.

[FryingMan]

The WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming -- correct me if I'm wrong) Wake Initiated Lucid Dream

[Draemer90]

Thanks FryingMan, Gotta be sure to get the acronyms right or no one will take me seriously.

[ThreeCat]

Thanks FryingMan, Gotta be sure to get the acronyms right or no one will take me seriously. unfortunately, this is sometimes true. I was saying "Wake Induced" until I read Sageous's post correcting us all

[FryingMan]

Nah, everyone knows what you mean by "WILD". There is a mixture of usage. One camp (the beautiful people ) say only "induced" is in MILD. While DILD, WILD, DEILD are all "initiated."

[Memm]

To make matters more confusing WILD can turn MILD! Just flip the W.

[anderj101]

*Moved to WILD subforum.